CHECK THIS OUT!!!!!!!!!

[luohan]

Hi I invite you guys to check out our latest short martial arts film and comments on we are gonna love it:

THE VIRTUAL VISION
http://www.zteamstunts.com/images/films/the_virtual_vision/1.jpg

Direct Download:
http://www.zteamstunts.com/films/the_virtual_vision.avi

Luohan
www.zteamstunts.com

[HungKuen]

Downloading now.. I'll review it as soon as I've seen it. Will take a while though, I'm on a dial-up :rolleyes

Poster looks pro ;)

[HungKuen]

That was quite good. I've never seen that much wirework in an amateur film before, and it looked good too. You shouldn't have used that much wirework though. And all those fake bullet-time effects really just slows down the action. However, when you weren't using wires or slomo effects, the fighting looked really good! Some nice exchanges (especially in the last fight) and some really beatiful kicks. Some of the falls looked nice too, and the powder really helped to sell everything.

Overall, I'd rate it 3/5 (not many films get a 5 [we're talking amateurfilms here of course])
Try to focus more on fighting than on Matrix-esque effects next time!

Keep up the good work :)

[luohan]

Thank you for you coments HungKuen, I definitely agree, When we made virtual vision we used wires for the first time and we focused too much on it... Our next short film DUEL gonna be diferent... We should finish editing very soon...
Thanks again we need comments to improve:D

PS :Sorry for my english I'm french :p

[Jack Sparrow]

Nice movies guys but aren't your prices for Wushu training a little extravagant...
"Our wushu training program includes the following: 3 hours practice a day, 5 days a week with national champion and Beijing wushu team member Wang Xiaona, movie fight choreography and stunts training with the Z-Team depending upon availability with shooting schedule. Personal demo reel. Accomodation in foreign students building (single room with bathroom, air conditioning and tv) Visa for the duration of the course. Transportation to and from the airport.
Airfare, Medical insurance and emergency travel are NOT included.
1 MONTH: 2000 US$
3 MONTHS: 4000 US$
6 MONTHS: 6000 US$
1 YEAR: 12000 US$"

[i][b][b]When it only costs in the region of US$1,250 for training and then a further US$1000 to live at the Sports University in Beijing for six months, which would make it about US$4,500 a year plus flights, insurance etc..thats a nearly US$8000 mark up to train on your scheme that "depending on schedules" might allow you to train with Z-team
I'd recommend checking out programmes such as:
www.educasian.com/program...larts.html (http://www.educasian.com/program/martialarts.html)
or www.beijingwushuteam.com/ (http://www.beijingwushuteam.com/)
And get better prices, yes training in China is possible, but at much more realistic prices...
Also what was Mr.Luc Bendza's role in "police Story 3: Supercop"? I have seen him on a lot of Chinese TV and some films but don't recall his appearence in that film

[luohan]

Yeah it is very expensive:b , we actually didn't start our program yet, and the price will definitely be much cheaper, the thing is though that nobody likes training in sport university, every foreigners there at the moment are so disapointed, teachers just don't give a damn about the students and I know what I'm talking about since I've been training there since 2001, what we offer is class of two or three students being coach by Wang xiaona (beijing wushu team) , we also offer to shoot and edit their own demo reel, and the cinema training with the team is not the real interest of our program,we just want something that include everything but food (nicer rooms than the sport university rooms...) and have people training under supervision of a coach who cares. so I agree the prices in our website are expensive but we will definitely offer something more interesting, though I saw educasian and world link prices and there are not so diferent and same thing if you want to practice in sichahai (beijing wushu team training center) it would cost you around 100000 RMB a year...
About Luc being in police story 3 I never saw the movie so I don't know but I'll ask him tomorow and let you know:)

[HungKuen]

Just a question for you guys, what did you use for the wire-fu? I mean, what kind of rigging nad stuff did you use, and where did you get it?

[luohan]

l m yanji from the Z-Team

l see that jack thinks he knows a lot about life in china, he doesn' seem to know what is the real cost of training and living in china, we knows every places around, we hang out with most of famous chinese wushu association members ...
he talks about educasian , and he's right you can find cheapest prices but those prices also depend of the quality of your housing and training... he forgot to say the quality get a price: EDUCASIAN: on campus single room plus training 6 Months :7995$ US ...But l m not here to compete with them... so everyone is free to check out by himself...
he talks about university...1000 US $ + 1250 US $ a semester (in china a semester is 4 months) to live in a very low quality room and have 2 hours 30 training in a group of foreigners with differents wu shu level coached by a teacher who don't really care and without access to any facilities beside the training hours.
so l think jack should get more information and opinion from students training currently in beijing sport university...
then in my own opinion, our prices are not that expensive; l can even say the price value the quality we offer... personal training, following of the progress, gym , personal driver to go to and come back from the training... you will be able to see more infos about it on our website soon...

about luc bendza ...he s one of the most famous foreigners in china ...for his knowledge in wushu and as the technical adviser for the international wushu federation , jack didn't see him in police story 3 but luc as a short appearance in it and if he knew more about movies in asia at that time he would know that was very difficult to get a good role as a foreigner and especialy for a black guy

so jack you are easy to belittle our training program
offer...but please next time you want to argue about anything with anyone try to know more about the subject first.

[Jack Sparrow]

To Z-team,
Thank you for your response. And to Mr.Yanji, I think I know somehting of the real costs and realities of living/working in China, having spent the last few years living and working in China, studying in Shanghai, Beijing and Tianjin
Apologies that my costs were perhaps wrong, you're only charging US$4000 more than anyone else...I fopund that yes when I first came to train, conditions were not what I expected, but after you've shown a real passion for Wushu and desire to learn/understand Chinese culture, things rapidly change for the better
I simply asked which role Mr.Bendza played in "Police Story 3", I recall a coloured gentlemen in the film, although he didn't resemble Bendza from any of the other movies or Tv shows I have sen him appear in, I ask only for a clarification...and yes I am aware of working in the film & Tv industry in China, where companies visit the Wushu schools looking for foreign students to appear in projects...I would also be interested in hearing more of your stunt-team and the projects they have worked on, if somebody can bring unity to the various western actors/martial artists working in China on film & TV, I wish you nothing but success...
Thee is a saying in China that one must be prepared to eat bitter, to achieve success, be prepared for people to ask questions that may not be to your liking..perhaps if you can showm people a more detailed breakdown of what facilities/training you can offer people, then my words shall be proven to be wrong, until then.....:\

[resevoir]

Wow this movie seems to have spurred heated debate.
What is all this training and prices about?
and who is Luc Bendza? When I was in china I heard about Da shan some guy from canada. Like hosts all those chinese new year shows or something. I have heard of Jeffrey falcon he was a great wushu guy out of beijing. he did loads of hong kong movies. would love to find out what happened to him. and ray park he was Darth Maul. he trained in beijing for a while and was on the british wushu team.
As far as foreigners not having a good chance in hong kong films, I would say that is pretty wrong, especially at the time of supercop. look at all those movies from yuen wo ping, like in the line of duty four, there was like a ten minute fight scene between donnie yen and That huge black guy that looks like warf on star trek. seen him in a load of stuff with donnie yen actually. Micheal woods was his name.
what about billie blanks? the master of tae bo. he got pretty big in hong kong also. not to mention cynthia rothrock and Richard norton.
even jean claude van damn got his start in hong kong. and he shot a bunch of his films there. like double impact, and knock off, and most notably bloodsport, which was full of faces I have seen in a half a dozen hk flics, all foreigners black white and whatever.
oh wait, was luc bendza in bloodsport? I seem to remember, need to go look I think he was that tall guy with the frizzy hair who like does sign languge to van damn. could be wrong don't hold me to that, need to check. so many people came out of hong kong though.
loads of now canadian and american stuntmen were in hong kong at one time. like all or most of the stuntmen for buffy the vampire slayer had worked in hong kong at some point I think I once heard.

I got on here and just wanted to say I liked your movies, good job, could have been less matrixy but hey we all get inspiration from somewhere. keep it up guys. but I would suggest you watch more movies.

[luohan]

to jack
l like your irony about the 4000 more ...
but l guess you are from USA so should read english better than me so l suggest you to learn how to read your own language ...educasian = 7995 a 20 weeks semester
z-team= 6000 a plain 6 months semester

to reservoir , you can check luc bendza demo reel on our website...
thanks for your comment
but about jean claude van damme, I never heard that he started in Hongkong, he did shot movies there but they were american productions, if l m wrong tell me more please.
and l didnt say it was impossible to do movies in hongkong but very diificult...especialy to get important role, and more difficult in chan long movies

and you are right , maybe l should watch more movies...but in france we have a old saying: it s better to be actor than spectator

[Jack Sparrow]

Now picture the scene gentle viewers, Imagine you are a top level competitior for your country, and a
former champion, or what ever level, and you have aspirations to be the coach of a great team, or to get a good position on some comitee but the job you have is to teach foreigners who come to china, each
year the group changes the levels are all over the place, and hardly any of them take the time to learn the language, yet they all think they are better than jet li, and want to be bruce lee. but
maybe one of those foreigners might be good, and one day give you a
chance to go train a national team or something. but just when the
students start to get good and can say more than "laoshi hao" they
pack up and go to their country and open a school saying they are kung
fu masters. hardly ever to be heard of again.
If this was your life would you care? especially when extra effort
goes unrewarded, from time to time one foreign student figures out
chinese culture and give a gift or some extra money or even takes their
teacher out to dinner. but most just come in train and go back to
their dorms and forget what they learned the day before.
But you demand the teacher to care? who are you? why should they
take extra effort for you. your money goes to the office not to your
teacher, this isn't the local dojo on ru de wushu where a struggling
martial artist is trying to make a living by getting students. a
martial arts school in your own country needs to be supported, and
students taken care of to keep them coming. Training in china was an
extra thing added into an existing university. If you want to
provide a better learning environment for other foreigners why don't
you treat your sports university teachers to a big dinner, why don't
you give them some extra cash when you have some. instead you go
behind your teachers' backs and start up a training program that moves
in on their territory, and gives them even more reason to disslike
foreigners and "not care" about their training. You are the guests,
if you want them to care you have to show them you care. YOU have to
prove yourself to the teachers and show them you are worthy of extra
consideration. You forget that your teachers cared before and gave
effort before and it got them nothing, but tired. You aren't the first
foreigners to go to china.
I think it is you who don't know about beijing life matey. You know
well how to take pictures but I think that you have still been in your
own country even though your bodies are in china. congratulations you
can buy a plane ticket. yipee you learned how to jump and twist. and
swing a sword around your head. but there is more to china than
jumping and falling and going to the hot foreigners disco to catch some
cute chinese girls.
now that you can use chopsticks you feel china is your homeland?
Better go back to class matey and thank your teachers for being there.
and as for "it is better to be an actor then a spectator"...tres bien! But what exactly have you been acting in, I'm not knocking your own DV movies etc, but how about listing the Mainland China projects you've worked on, you are promoting yourselves as a stunt-team right? I think Reservoir wasn't trying to knock you down, just raising a point...
and remember this as the day you almost stood up to Captain Jack
Sparrow.
now someone tell me where the rum is."

[resevoir]

hey guys. I guess i should have been more clear. I wasn't trying to say anything bad. and my comment was two-fold, yes I think you should see more films especially talking about foreigners in asia, but my other reason is that other people's films are a great source of inspiration. why if it wasn't for jackie chan or others most of us wouldn't be on this forum, would we.
ok let me be clear. I think your film was a good effort, but proffesionally speaking. have seen the matrix re-makes a hundred times over. but it is a cool world, and allows you to break the rules of a conventional fight scene and go crazy with the wires, which you guys have done. and that is great. We need western teams with those skills, and making films of this sort is a great place to hone your skills. but if you are making something that you want to catch the eyes of producers or other stunt choreographers you should make something that has a little more originality. or if you do base a story idea on another film, try to pick one that hasn't already been over done. I foresee a flux of kill bill fan films in the near future.
which itself was a fan film. there is a good model for you guys on how to put a reference to just about every film you have seen in your life.
and remember, unless you are Ching siu dong, the key to good wire work is subtlety. look at Jackie chan films. most of the time you can barely tell he has a wire up his butt, even for things you would never think of. Also try to keep the rythym of you films. someone earlier made a good point about your bullet effects. you broke the feel and rythym of the scene. composing an action sequence in like music, you need to establish a tempo and a rythym and follow that. You can break into differebt rythyms inside a scene, but you need to establish a whole new rythym, and then bring it back to your original rythym and pacing, that was why the trick worked in the matrix.
look foreward to seeing your new films guys.

[luohan]

Dont worry reservoir ,no problem with you
l well understood what you meant and it s nice to have your comment
when l say its better to be actor than spectator ,it s not only about movies ...it s deeper , it s talk about life...we all have dreams but people use to keep dreaming instead of acting and make their dream become true...
my meaning was that l m not a super fan of martial art movie...then l didnt watch lot of them..l used to practice but far to be the best and even good in compare with many guys l know...
life is a journey we must enjoy ,and l enjoy it in china since 1994 ..l know chinese mind quite well (to answer at capt sparrow) and my purpose is to enjoy making movies with my friends ...
as you saw capt sparrow get mad to see he was wrong...it s sad...but dont feel embarrased and worried for that.
it s doesnt worth
about teaching ...l will let my friend luohan answer as he studied two years at the sport university
l was just a spectator of their trainning...: many foreigners happy to study ,trying to do their best ...and teachers(not all) sitting , watching and just saying WRONG with out explain what was wrong and how to make it right or worst wont able to show the right move
...only one teacher was full of passion...loving teaching.
so to end the talk with capt sparrow ,teaching is not only waiting the end of the month to get his salary, teaching is to show the exemple to young generation a way to live , a way of praticing martial art or anything else...we dont have to expect student listening , we have to give them the motivation and the love of study by our own manners.

best regards to reservoir
keep giving us some advices
yan ji

[luohan]

This time it is Luohan who answers to Jack,
Look Jack I don't care where and what you did in china before, my friends and I are not those kind of dumb foreigners running around from a chinese girl to another, I never go out to disco, some of us are even married, I've been training in Shaolin for a year 6 days a week for 8 hours per day only surounded by chinese because I didn't want to be like the other foreigners there... I've been training in Beijing since 2001 and always been at the training on time never missing classes always listening always did my best to be the best and yet my teacher didn't give a damn and I don't blame him for it, but instead I decided to change teacher, and finally end up training with my friend wang xiaona from the beijing team and so I'm not doing anything behind her back I'm just bringing foreigner here in beijing and having her to caoch them, so through our program she'll make money.
Don't tell me neither that I'm just spending time in china jumping and falling and living the way I would if I was in my country, I arrived in china in June 2000 and I spent 3 years without going back home just to get myself deeper involved in the chinese way of life.
About our stunt team, it is what it is wether you like it or not and I don't even care. You know nothing about our lifes , so you only seem to talk a lot but that's it!

[resevoir]

Yes to act is great. life without actionis mundane. But learn from the past. and those who were there before you, this is what I mean about film, sorry I have a one track mind. but you can apply this to life also. I share you love of working on film and working with friends, it is true that when likeminded people get together they can make great things, but sometimes it is also not great, sometimes people who don't like each other get together and make wonderful art. their personal conflicts add fire and passion to the art.
You fellows have quite a firey rivalry going with jack there.
He seems quite passionate about his knowledge of china.
what are you mad about jack?
I can't say I like your aggressive attitude. but I think you do bring some interesting points to the table. although you could present them in a nicer way. Everyone here just wants to make good films or improve their skills. Why are we even talking about training and who practices the most. Sure to be a good stuntman you need to keep in good shape, but you don't need to go to china to do that.
it depends on your goals. if people are willing to spend that kind of money to come to china, it must be what they want to do. Arguing about it on a forum about film production won't change that.
But in all fairness I do thinkyou have a few valid points about life in china, as I have had the same experiences, but I don't think this is the place to argue it.

[luohan]

I definitely agree with you, I didn't mean to argue with anyone I was just introducing our work... So no more argue with jack here.;)

[Sunny Li]

Ive known Louhan, for what, 2 years? One cool French guy! WHAT UP HOMEEE! Its Brendon! I can confirm that the Beijing Sports University sucks dick.:lol I could improve faster and learn more wushu technique in one hour from a private teacher, than a week of training at that university. I've seen Wang Xiao Na (I think thats how its spelled) in action. She is one badass wushu goddess!

Yo, sign me up! And when are you gunna let me be on the team. You know I got moves! Later. Oh if you want to get a hold of me talk to Paul, he's got my number.

[luohan]

cool I'll ask paul your number, cath you later :D

[ETCtstyle9]

cool stuff, gotta love the crazy editing in the intro

just wondering how did you obtain this perfect location and did you had to get some sorta permit or negotiate with the location owner.

[luohan]

About how we obtain the location , let's say we were just lucky, close to where fabien's family lives in France we found this place, nobody there, no permit required, just luck :p

Here is the new link to direct download the virtual vision:

www.zteamstunts.com/movie...vision.avi (http://www.zteamstunts.com/movies/the_virtual_vision.avi)

http://www.zteamstunts.com/images/movies/the_virtual_vision/the_virtual_vision_poster_medium.jpg

Luohan
www.zteamstunts.com (http://www.zteamstunts.com)