Late Night Kung Fu event @ Bethnal Green, London (16th May)

[falkor]

Yap, it's happening again! :wink: It will be from 4-8pm with a wide selection of movies for sale at the same location as before (Working Man's Club, Bethnal Green). Entry will be £5. The main movie has yet to be confirmed, but I'm hoping it will be this:
www.rarekungfumovies.com/shaolinvslama.html

[Akuma]

wow, i hope so too.
cant wait.

[TibetanWhiteCrane]

Dude, you have no shame!

[HAZ]

Falkor,

I like you and all, but you have some things to address, and you're avoiding people's questions. I halfway think you're trying to instigate people with these threads. If you want to be here in good faith that's amazing. Maybe address some of the issues & take things from there.

Best

h

[bigrogie]

This time I'll wait for the 5£ release.......:neutral:

[spannick]

now this could get interesting... only 1400Pounds "needed" this time?

and will there be a public showing if the sum does not come together?

[HAZ]

now this could get interesting... only 1400Pounds "needed" this time?

and will there be a public showing if the sum does not come together?

The film has been telecined & looks pretty good. It's amazing that this will be made available to people.

[niro]

now this could get interesting... only 1400Pounds "needed" this time?

and will there be a public showing if the sum does not come together?

dont think so as it says on the site that the public showing depends on outcome of the deal, so if 1400 is not put together probably means no showing

[Markgway]

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

George W. Bush.

[kaleyboy]

Why not allow anyone to donate whatever amount they see fit? That way a running total could be updated on the site, everyone could see how it was progressing. And once the total is reached, cut out the middleman and upload it directly to a site where anyone can download it, or for those that wish it, send a DVD-R. Seems fairer, and less likely anyone will feel "cheated". The last deal left a bad taste in many people's mouths.

[jrcma]

This time I'll wait for the 5£ release.......:neutral:

Yeah whats the point in pay £70 so others can see it for a fiver

[falkor]

Falkor,

I like you and all, but you have some things to address, and you're avoiding people's questions. I halfway think you're trying to instigate people with these threads. If you want to be here in good faith that's amazing. Maybe address some of the issues & take things from there.

Best

h
Massacre Survivor is now saved. Moving forward, we need to raise the money for Shaolin Vs. Lama, otherwise we can say good-bye to future deals with Toby Russell:
Born Invincible - widescreen
Chivalry Deadly Feud
5 Fighters From Shaolin
Big Boss 2
Flexible Judge Pao starring Judy Lee
Judicial Sword starring Polly Shang Kwan
Death Fist starring Kwong Young Moon
+ others

Shaolin Vs. Lama is now confirmed for this Bethnal Green showing (£5 entrance), but copies will NOT be sold at the show, and if we don't raise the money between now and 8th May then it will be put back into the archives and nobody will be able to own a copy. We would then potentially have one stab at maybe raising the funds for another Rare (probably a cheaper £500 lesser rare), otherwise that's the end of the road. I can't see how the Bethnal Green showings will continue without any newly surfacing rares, either.

There is great potential here, and £70 is a much more reasonable contribution this time around for one of only a couple of top 10 undisputed classics yet to be seen how the director intended it to be seen (Born Invincible is the other). Here are some screenshots from the untreated 35mm transfer of Shaolin Vs. Lama without any resizing, colour correction or conversion to progressive:

http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/forum/images/vlcsnap-2010-04-20-07h07m38s18.png

http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/forum/images/vlcsnap-2010-04-20-07h15m59s49.png

http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/forum/images/vlcsnap-2010-04-20-07h16m26s71.png

http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/forum/images/vlcsnap-2010-04-20-07h16m55s107.png

[wigsplitta]

I think I might have to go in on this!

Shaolin vs Lama is a very cool film, and it's one of the very first Kung Fu movies I ever watched, so it holds some serious nostalgia for me! That, and the fact that i f**kin hate fullscreen Kung Fu movies! :wink: So, to see this it all it's widescreen glory would be damn cool indeed. To own it in all it's widescreen glory would be evener cooler. And as the old saying goes...."F*ck it......it's only money!" :xd:

A quick comparison between falkor's sample screen grab and the fullscreen version shows vast cropping!!!!!
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2214/56010855.png http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5136/63175415.png

Here are a few other screen grab comparisons from the widescreen trailer and my fullscreen copy, in the hope that it'll entice some other people into going in on the!!!! :xd:
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2909/99943039.png http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3309/27718469.png

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7103/19575137.png http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/492/36168836.png

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8418/88221777.png http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9946/40423207.png

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6231/83507464.png http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9604/16467239.png

[TibetanWhiteCrane]

Massacre Survivor is now saved. Moving forward

Well, you heard him, folks.... Now move on....:ooh:

[HAZ]

Massacre Survivor is now saved. Moving forward, we need to raise the money for Shaolin Vs. Lama, otherwise we can say good-bye to future deals with Toby Russell:
Born Invincible - widescreen
Chivalry Deadly Feud
5 Fighters From Shaolin
Big Boss 2
Flexible Judge Pao starring Judy Lee
Judicial Sword starring Polly Shang Kwan
Death Fist starring Kwong Young Moon
+ others

Shaolin Vs. Lama is now confirmed for this Bethnal Green showing (£5 entrance), but copies will NOT be sold at the show, and if we don't raise the money between now and 8th May then it will be put back into the archives and nobody will be able to own a copy. We would then potentially have one stab at maybe raising the funds for another Rare (probably a cheaper £500 lesser rare), otherwise that's the end of the road. I can't see how the Bethnal Green showings will continue without any newly surfacing rares, either.

There is great potential here, and £70 is a much more reasonable contribution this time around for one of only a couple of top 10 undisputed classics yet to be seen how the director intended it to be seen (Born Invincible is the other). Here are some screenshots from the untreated 35mm transfer of Shaolin Vs. Lama without any resizing, colour correction or conversion to progressive:

http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/forum/images/vlcsnap-2010-04-20-07h07m38s18.png

http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/forum/images/vlcsnap-2010-04-20-07h15m59s49.png

http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/forum/images/vlcsnap-2010-04-20-07h16m26s71.png

http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/forum/images/vlcsnap-2010-04-20-07h16m55s107.png

I think these posts are better suited for the marketplace forums. Other members promote their projects there. Discussing the films in the section is cool & making mention of projects is okay too, but outright sales & advertising should be reserved for the marketplace. Thanks.

[Gaijin84]

Why not allow anyone to donate whatever amount they see fit? That way a running total could be updated on the site, everyone could see how it was progressing. And once the total is reached, cut out the middleman and upload it directly to a site where anyone can download it, or for those that wish it, send a DVD-R. Seems fairer, and less likely anyone will feel "cheated". The last deal left a bad taste in many people's mouths.

This is probably the only way it's going to work this time around. IMO, there's a big difference between a completely unreleased Yuen clan film and a widescreen update to an already available movie.
Also, why a much shorter window (May 8th) for the deadline? And unless you're showing the original 35mm film at the event, someone is going to have the DVD. Who knows, maybe it will self-destruct like a Mission Impossible disc after its played once.

[wigsplitta]

Another quick comparison.
Damn, is this even the same movie??!!! :wink:
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4311/newnewq.pnghttp://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7552/newcy.png

[falkor]

This is probably the only way it's going to work this time around. IMO, there's a big difference between a completely unreleased Yuen clan film and a widescreen update to an already available movie.
Also, why a much shorter window (May 8th) for the deadline? And unless you're showing the original 35mm film at the event, someone is going to have the DVD. Who knows, maybe it will self-destruct like a Mission Impossible disc after its played once.
I think it's better if fans/collectors contribute an equal amount to this project like last time. Sure, it's not an entirely unseen movie like Massacre Survivor was, but everyone knows it's a classic that needs to be seen in proper widescreen. 8th May is indeed much shorter, but I want to make sure that contributors get their copies before the showing, and course no copies will be sold at the showing (as stated above). If we don't raise the money then it will be kept private and that will be the end of this venture. However, I'm hoping we can carry on supporting this cause and making more rares available to the public--at least Born Invincible - wide and Chivalry Deadly Feud. Massacre was as expensive as they come, so it should be easier to raise the money for Lama (in theory at least) + others. I cannot afford it on my own or just with Adonis, and have spent at least £500 on Massacre Survivor from my own pocket, including further post-restoration work.

[Gaijin84]

I think it's better if fans/collectors contribute an equal amount to this project like last time. Sure, it's not an entirely unseen movie like Massacre Survivor was, but everyone knows it's a classic that needs to be seen in proper widescreen. 8th May is indeed much shorter, but I want to make sure that contributors get their copies before the showing, and course no copies will be sold at the showing (as stated above). If we don't raise the money then it will be kept private and that will be the end of this venture. However, I'm hoping we can carry on supporting this cause and making more rares available to the public--at least Born Invincible - wide and Chivalry Deadly Feud. Massacre was as expensive as they come, so it should be easier to raise the money for Lama (in theory at least) + others. I cannot afford it on my own or just with Adonis, and have spent at least £500 on Massacre Survivor from my own pocket, including further post-restoration work.

Forgive the amount of questions, but I just want to clear things up. The showing is already confirmed, so at least some of the money must have already been paid to Toby and you'll have a digital copy of the widescreen version. If the 1400 is not raised for a general release, you and Adonis will keep the only copy and decide what to do with it from there, but you're basically saying it will remain out of the public. If I'm wrong on any of these rather general statements please let me know.

[falkor]

No, no, Toby paid to have Shaolin Vs. Lama delivered from his warehouse in Central England to where he lives in London via courier service, a week ago, on the basis and assumption that we will be successful in raising the money. He transferred it a few days ago and I will be working closely with him on the video editing script. Once complete and after he has audio dubbed it, he will provide it for the public showing, but if we don't raise the money then he will probably be very angry, and then we will probably be forced to pay at least £100 just for the showing since we would have wasted his time, effort and expenses. Nobody will get to own it on DVD, including Rare Kung Fu Movies. And that will be the end of that. The fact it's now on DVD doesn't mean anything. Toby has untold bits on DVD that he doesn't share with anyone. I don't want to let Toby down, and most importantly, I don't want to let the fans down. This requires another community effort in the same way we secured Massacre. Everyone seemed so positive re: Massacre, but now things have become a bit negative (not sure why unless there is a misunderstanding about the point of the exercise last time around). A couple of contributors seems to have dropped out on this one, but fortunately others have agreed to continue supporting the cause, so there is still a good chance Lama, Born and others could happen. Anyone like to come on board just drop us a PM?

[Gaijin84]

No, no, Toby paid to have Shaolin Vs. Lama delivered from his warehouse in Central England to where he lives in London via courier service, a week ago, on the basis and assumption that we will be successful in raising the money. He transferred it a few days ago and I will be working closely with him on the video editing script. Once complete and after he has audio dubbed it, he will provide it for the public showing, but if we don't raise the money then he will probably be very angry, and then we will probably be forced to pay at least £100 just for the showing since we would have wasted his time, effort and expenses. Nobody will get to own it on DVD, including Rare Kung Fu Movies. And that will be the end of that. The fact it's now on DVD doesn't mean anything. Toby has untold bits on DVD that he doesn't share with anyone. I don't want to let Toby down, and most importantly, I don't want to let the fans down. This requires another community effort in the same way we secured Massacre. Everyone seemed so positive re: Massacre, but now things have become a bit negative (not sure why unless there is a misunderstanding about the point of the exercise last time around). A couple of contributors seems to have dropped out on this one, but fortunately others have agreed to continue supporting the cause, so there is still a good chance Lama, Born and others could happen. Anyone like to come on board just drop us a PM?

ok - thanks for providing the answers

[falkor]

If we can't raise the money for Lama, do you think Toby would want to deal with us again? I doubt it very much...

[bigrogie]

Massacre Survivor is now saved. Moving forward

That's what I'll do. Move on! Not interested in funding releases for the mass, sorry. If it gets released, great! I'll get it like the rest of the mass. If not, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.

Kaleyboy's suggestion (Post # 10) was a good and fair one and I would contribute to such fund raising as long as the funds raised would be clearly updated on this site. Why should 20 guys fund a release for the mass? Why such a quick deadline? What's the rush? Who needs the money so badly? What's the difference if it takes 3 weeks or 3 months to raise the funds? It's been out for years in fullscreen version. It's not like Massacre Survivor which had no prior release (official or bootleg).

[falkor]

Why should 20 guys fund a release for the mass? Why such a quick deadline? What's the rush? Who needs the money so badly? What's the difference if it takes 3 weeks or 3 months to raise the funds? It's been out for years in fullscreen version. It's not like Massacre Survivor which had no prior release (official or bootleg).
This is where I get a bit lost... the end date is based on a week before the showing, so that contributors gets to own a copy before anyone else gets to see it. To me, 8th May is still quite a long way away. I would like to watch this friday night if I had it my way! If somebody cannot contribute now then what chance is there that they would contribute next month or next year? Toby isn't going to wait around for everyone's piggybanks to be filled up. We need fans/collectors to support this now! Why delay?

[bigrogie]

If somebody cannot contribute now then what chance is there that they would contribute next month or next year? Toby isn't going to wait around for everyone's piggybanks to be filled up.

There goes that arrogant attitude again. :tinysmile_angry2_t:

[falkor]

There goes that arrogant attitude again. :tinysmile_angry2_t:
Rather than put me down, why not explain what's wrong with my statement(s)? I'm none the wiser. You may feel rushed by 8th May, but I don't. Waiting for Massacre was painful.

[bigrogie]

Rather than put me down, why not explain what's wrong with my statement(s)? I'm none the wiser. You may feel rushed by 8th May, but I don't. Waiting for Massacre was painful.

Dear Falkor, 70£ or 700£ would not rush me by this minute! Luckily for me, I do not have money issues. It's the whole attitude about putting down people by saying that they have to fill up their piggybanks or having to wait an extra month to raise some fund that I find arrogant and insulting. On the Massacre Survivor thread you said that you would raise the money yourself if necessary and later said that you could not really afford it.....Many of the members of this forum have lost their jobs in the last year but would still be glad to contribute 5£ or 10£ to such release but you keep this people out as petty contributors as you have called them so many times in the Massacre Survivor thread. That's what I find arrogant. Why would Toby Russell be upset at anyone if the money would not be raised by May 12? Did anyone on this forum made any promise to him about this? Maybe you did? Stop putting pressure and deadlines on the fans. You want the release tonight? Then finance it yourself (or rarekungfu) and then sell the DVDs through your site and at the showing.

[falkor]

It's the whole attitude about putting down people by saying that they have to fill up their piggybanks or having to wait an extra month to raise some fund that I find arrogant and insulting.
I never said that anyone should fill their piggybanks, but quite the contrary.

Many of the members of this forum have lost their jobs in the last year but would still be glad to contribute 5£ or 10£ to such release but you keep this people out as petty contributors as you have called them so many times in the Massacre Survivor thread. That's what I find arrogant. Why would Toby Russell be upset at anyone if the money would not be raised by May 12? Did anyone on this forum made any promise to him about this? Maybe you did? Stop putting pressure and deadlines on the fans. You want the release tonight? Then finance it yourself (or rarekungfu) and then sell the DVDs through your site and at the showing.
This fundraising appeal is not suitable for fans who are currently unemployed. It's about finding 20 specific collectors (a small percentage of the fan base) who are willing and able to contribute. Nobody should feel pressured. Toby is a businessman and is not going to wait around. Sorry if I'm coming across a bit blunt here.

[Gaijin84]

Toby is a businessman and is not going to wait around. Sorry if I'm coming across a bit blunt here.

Sounds like Toby's got you in a tight spot...

[falkor]

Sounds like Toby's got you in a tight spot...
Toby might not even be in the country in 3 months time. I certainly wouldn't want to wait around 3 months in anticipation to try to raise the money for one movie if it can be secured sooner. I might as well start my own savings account purely for Lama. I'm sure there must be 20 suitable collectors out there to help make this happen for us all next month, if not, I doubt more time is going to help the situation--only make contributors lose interest. It's not like anyone has said "I can do it in 2 pay days time". Toby may have just transferred the movie and is expecting funds next month, but at the same I would be happy to move onto the next deal sooner if possible.

[sifu iron perm]

ill book time off work..must support this!!!

[kaleyboy]

Toby may have just transferred the movie and is expecting funds next month Then why have a movie transferred for which funds have not been raised? It's like me going to buy a ferrari with just a tenner in my pocket - it's just not gonna happen. You should have done the reverse of what you have done. You should have canvassed for donations long before promising any deal to Toby. Your system is unfair because it asks too much of individual collectors, who will inevitably feel let down when a few days later, a film they paid £70 for gets upped to ADC, and the members there laugh at them. Like Roger, I could pay the £1400 myself and not lose much sleep - but I'll be damned if I'm to finance someone's personal wants list. Have a donation system, forget about the emphasis being on a public showing, and let the time limit be the length of time it takes for the cash build up. I think your current method is doomed this time around.

[falkor]

Toby has transferred the movie to have it ready in time for the showing and set of potential contributors. If we raise the money first then by the time the film is ready, the contributors may already be looking to get a refund if they were one of the first and not willing to wait around. It has to be done via a carefully planned schedule. Massacre was more expensive and successful, so naturally we expect Lama--much cheaper--to stand an even better chance. However, Toby is aware this might not work out, in which case he will be angry albeit no major skin off his chest; he just won't deal with us or offer Rares using this method again.

[Fist Of Boss]

Interesting issue.Toby has print so he sets deadline and price no bargaining about those.These kind of deals are not for persons who lose their zzz because many will get film for free after it`s released,that is destined to happen...Is it jealousity or what?
You may feel you`ve been let down but that`s your imagination only.Film will not surface without support and nobody forces to raid piggy bank.
Falkors attitude to me does not appear arrogant,it`s toby who calls the shots and seems falkor is doing lot work for these projects.

[HAZ]

Interesting issue.Toby has print so he sets deadline and price no bargaining about those.These kind of deals are not for persons who lose their zzz because many will get film for free after it`s released,that is destined to happen...Is it jealousity or what?
You may feel you`ve been let down but that`s your imagination only.Film will not surface without support and nobody forces to raid piggy bank.
Falkors attitude to me does not appear arrogant,it`s toby who calls the shots and seems falkor is doing lot work for these projects.

Actually, I might be mistaken, but I don't think Toby's role in this is that active. It's Falkor who sets the terms & is the catalyst for these projects. Toby didn't approach Falkor to say "Hey I'll sell you a DVD of massacre survivor", it's the other way around.

[Rock_Bottom]

First off, I was one of the supporters of the Massacre Survivor project...I remember asking before I donated what would be done to protect people's investments to which I came to the agreement that Massacre Survivor was more for the love of the genre and possibly a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

I am happy to also be an "investor" in this - Shaolin vs. Lama - project as well but, after getting the information as to what happened after the Massacre Survivor print was obtained, and reading this thread I think my original questions are all the more relevant.

First, I would agree from the perspective of supporting the genre in general people may want to jump in for that alone. But I think people who pay look at this as an investment and therefore would like an opportunity to get a return on said investment. Personally, I am not looking to recoup financially from my participation but from a trade standpoint it enables me to trade for other rare movies. If the "market" is diluted with cheap copies immediately then my investment is diluted. I feel like I was only the means to an end, not an investor. (Why do people invest in movies at all? Return on investment!)

Selling copies for £5 would almost seem to go against the principle for which we did this...for the love, not the money. Honestly I was a little angry and a lot more disappointed when I read that copies were sold at the screening. Also, to have a copy in NTSC AND PAL I had to pay an extra £10...I know shipping is involved but still, that was an extra twist for me considering the £5 price at the screening.

Secondly, it would seem that a promise has already been made, or at least there is an agreement already in place to secure funding for Shaolin vs. Lama and therefore work has already commenced to make the print available based on this agreement (this is my speculation based on this thread). As far as I can tell this was a commitment that Falkor already made to Toby prior to the funding appeal. So based on that assumption it would seem that Falkor, not the community, has everything to lose as far as respect and relationship with Toby...though I will also say that I, nor anyone else that I know of are in a position to be able to make these deals happen (which is why I lean towards investing again).

Again, I don't mind being an investor and am already prepared to help again but I would like to see:
Full disclosure about the deal and agreement with Toby up front, otherwise it feels like investors are looked at as a means only...rather than investors (or make the funding appeal before making any commitments)
A commitment to respect people's payment as an investment and thus treated as such after successfully obtaining the new print of Shaolin vs. Lama...if this attempt is successful (which I have seen commitment to)

Just my 0.02¢ (or 2p for you English folks :smile:)...and I'll still invest in Shaolin vs. Lama at the end of the day so... :crossedlips:

[Fist Of Boss]

(Why do people invest in movies at all? Return on investment!)


I`ve always been under impression movies are purchased for personal enjoyment and not as trading tools....

Had you+others known there are plans to sell copies for fiver many would have backed off and movie`d still be at Tobys vaults.

[GOLDEN DRAGON YIN-YANG]

Personally I don't know what the BIG DEAL is about Shaolin VS. Lama. This film is already out there. The last print I saw was pristine. Why don't you (all) really pull another true rare out on the table. $70lbs. is too much for a movie I can rent for a few bucks any time I want too. And in US $$$$ too too much. This does not make sense. Good luck investors.

GD Y-Y

[kaleyboy]

Had you+others known there are plans to sell copies for fiver many would have backed off and movie`d still be at Tobys vaults.
The movie still is in Toby's vaults: he still has the original 35mm reels, just as he will with Shaolin Vs Lama. £1400 for the original reels, a decent deal. £1400 for a DVD-R, no way!

[HongKongMaster]

please upload it on adc :xd:

[Gaijin84]

Massacre was more expensive and successful, so naturally we expect Lama--much cheaper--to stand an even better chance.
I really wouldn't call this that much cheaper. It's still a ton of money for a movie that is already out there. Personally, I think pricing Shaolin vs Lama widescreen at 70% of a totally unreleased top tier rare like Massacre Survivor is shooting yourself in the foot. £600 might have been more reasonable.

However, Toby is aware this might not work out, in which case he will be angry albeit no major skin off his chest; he just won't deal with us or offer Rares using this method again.
That would seem like a somewhat hasty decision, but it is what it is. In some ways this thing is sounding a bit like what fans rail against with rares. Granted we're being given the opportunity to get an unreleased gem, but to hold it virtually hostage is a bit much. "Either you pay what we want or you'll never see this or any others again in the future." :squigglemouth:

[Rock_Bottom]

I`ve always been under impression movies are purchased for personal enjoyment and not as trading tools....

Hey, I never said I was proud of that!!! :angel:

Had you+others known there are plans to sell copies for fiver many would have backed off and movie`d still be at Tobys vaults.

Ultimately at the end of the day things should have been handled a little differently (IMO) and it's obvious that a lot of people feel burned/p'd off...my philosophy is "I'l try anything twice (but I reserve the right to complain after the first time)" :smile:

[Shaolin Chamber 36]

If the good man Falkor is not willing to deal with small investors, people willing to donate £5 or £10, let's nominate someone on the board who is very trustworthy, someone who has been around for a while, someone willing to do it, and let's all start our own fund raising drive, but publicly out in the open, no need for secrecy.

Instead of trying to get 20 people donating £70 each, let's all choose an amount that would be fair to donate, maybe something like £8 or £10, and send the money to one person. This will even make it easier on Toby and Falkor. Instead of having to burn off 20 DVD's, they could just burn off the 1 copy, and send it to the person elected to handle the funds on our behalf. Then when that person receives his/her DVD, as long as we are all in agreement, they could then UPLOAD it to a designated site, or sites, and privately send the links to those that made a donation.

The only thing is, we would need to know upfront how much money Falkor is willing to put in himself, so we can then figure out a reasonable amount for a donation price and figure out just how man people would be needed to meet the amount.

Let's say Falkor put in £200, that leaves £1200 left. It would take 100 people donating £12 each to reach our goal. Is that even possible???? Are there 100 people on this board willing to donate any set amount????

I don't see why Falkor would have a problem with this, since this could and would all be arranged by participating members and he could just kick back and wait till we all have it together, then he would only have to deal with 1 person!!!

This idea is coming from someone that DID NOT participate in 'Massacre Survivor' sale, but also from someone who easily obtained a FREE copy ....

I have recently lost my job, but I am MORE than willing to donate to this cause if the set price is reasonable (£15 or under :bigsmile: } With the current conversion rate, I'd be paying over $100 for that £70 .... If I was still working making the big bucks, that would not have been a problem. :sad:

This is just an idea, but I think if we could get this system down, make a mailing list of all people willing to participate every time, these sales could go so fast and smoothly. The more people willing to participate in this, the better it would be on ALL our wallets.

If this is a bad idea, sorry for bringing it up. Just putting it out there. :smile:

[northern b]

Dear Falkor, 70£ or 700£ would not rush me by this minute! Luckily for me, I do not have money issues. It's the whole attitude about putting down people by saying that they have to fill up their piggybanks or having to wait an extra month to raise some fund that I find arrogant and insulting. On the Massacre Survivor thread you said that you would raise the money yourself if necessary and later said that you could not really afford it.....Many of the members of this forum have lost their jobs in the last year but would still be glad to contribute 5£ or 10£ to such release but you keep this people out as petty contributors as you have called them so many times in the Massacre Survivor thread. That's what I find arrogant. Why would Toby Russell be upset at anyone if the money would not be raised by May 12? Did anyone on this forum made any promise to him about this? Maybe you did? Stop putting pressure and deadlines on the fans. You want the release tonight? Then finance it yourself (or rarekungfu) and then sell the DVDs through your site and at the showing.

Pretty much how I feel -

I have Massacre Survivor after pooling resources with some others in order to significantly lower the risk and to be honest its the only way I was willing to partake in a deal such as this -that choice was vindicated in the light of the (IMO) unsavory manner in which it was made available afterward (I'm referring to the £5 sale at the film show- it was only a matter of time before someone upped it having paid such a paltry sum anyway), I have no issue at all with films being made available to the masses but when its done in an underhand manner like Massacre was it does (and I speak for myself) leave a sour taste- and would certainly make people think twice before getting involved again.

Further more in light of what has happened how many will now just wait for SvL to appear on a Torrent site? If it dosent its not like the film hasn't ever been seen before

Shaolin Chamber I'm with your idea smaller (NOT PETTY) contributions to make up the sum is a far more palatable and less risky idea- I certainly wont be shelling out £70 to see SvL wide, not a chance!

I have no idea why the owner of the reels would be angry if SvL dosent come off, he has just received £2000 for Massacre Survivor..

[Gaijin84]

If the good man Falkor is not willing to deal with small investors, people willing to donate £5 or £10, let's nominate someone on the board who is very trustworthy, someone who has been around for a while, someone willing to do it, and let's all start our own fund raising drive, but publicly out in the open, no need for secrecy.

I agree, this is the only way it will work this time. As for getting 100 people to donate, I think that'd be a real stretch, but I think its even less likely there are 20 people willing to donate £70 each. I'm personally willing to donate £20. Perhaps we can start there.

[bigrogie]

If the good man Falkor is not willing to deal with small investors, people willing to donate £5 or £10, let's nominate someone on the board who is very trustworthy, someone who has been around for a while, someone willing to do it, and let's all start our own fund raising drive, but publicly out in the open, no need for secrecy

Hi. I'm prepared, under certain conditions, to volunteer to collect the donations from all the small investors and then to forward it to Falkor if the deal is done. As for being trustworthy, many members here can vouch for me.

My conditions are:

1. All payment must be made through Paypal (much easier to manage).

2. Payment must be sent as gift (Paypal does not charge its 3% fee on amounts sent as gift and instead charges a small fee (US$0.50 to US$1.50) to the sender of the money. If the investor prefers to send the money as purchase of goods then he would have to add 3% to his donation. It is not for me to absorb the 3% Paypal fees.

3. Since the price to be paid is in £, then all donations must me made only in £, not in US$ or CAD$ (Paypal charges fees to convert currencies and I don't want to pay for that). The sender is responsible for Paypal's conversion fees.

4. All investors must be identified on this forum (KFC ID) with the amount donated. Maybe Mark Pollard or another moderator could set up a specific thread where I could post daily the donations received. Would be nice if the adding of the funds could be automatic!

5. I never use torrents and I am not familiar with torrents sites. For the movie to be uploaded on a private torrent site, I would need to send a copy of the DVD to a member here (to be appointed) for him to take care of the uploading. I'm assuming the DVD will be in PAL. I can convert a copy to NTSC if it is necessary for the torrent site but without the menu. Ideally, Falkor should provide a DVD in both format.

6. My contribution will be to manage the collection of funds and that will take some time, therefore I will not contribute to the donations.

7. If the deal is not concluded, I would simply refund all the investors within 24hrs of Falkor's announcement on this forum (Paypal payments can be refund within 60 days so that is not an issue here with Falkor's deadline set for May 8 although).

If these conditions are agreeable to everyone, just let me know on this thread.

You can either PM me or email me directly at r.judd@videotron.ca Please take note that I reply much faster to my emails than my PMs.

I can only assume that Falkor would not opposed such fund raising!

Finally, I'm guessing that this fund raising through this forum would be acceptable to Mark Pollard.

Roger

[kungfusamurai]

And so it begins again. At least the thread is in the proper forum this time. :)

I still don't see how Massacre Survivor was 'saved'. Was Toby threatening to hit the delete button on the DVD image stored on his hard drive?

KFS

[lightning hopkins]

Must...resist...impulse...to...unleash...lengthy.. .screed...

[kungfusamurai]

Like Roger, I could pay the £1400 myself and not lose much sleep - but I'll be damned if I'm to finance someone's personal wants list.

You pay that, and you'll just get a copy of the original which falkor will keep. Or you'll get the original, and falkor will have ripped his copy and started selling them for 5gbr. The fairest deal is to talk to Toby directly to find out what he really wants for it.

KFS

[teako170]

Hi. I'm prepared, under certain conditions, to volunteer to collect the donations from all the small investors and then to forward it to Falkor if the deal is done. As for being trustworthy, many members here can vouch for me.

The mini-consortium idea is one that works. A Massacre Survivor is proof of this. As moderator, I support Roger's initiative and that his proposal is sound (for any out there who have doubts).

Roger - We wish to keep this topic from branching into multiple threads (like the MS one did) but please feel free to post your donations received in this thread and edit as you see fit.

[Gaijin84]

HAZ - back on the original Massacre Survivor thread you mentioned a friend had a widescreen, subtitled version of Shaolin vs Lama. Can you confirm that?

[HAZ]

HAZ - back on the original Massacre Survivor thread you mentioned a friend had a widescreen, subtitled version of Shaolin vs Lama. Can you confirm that?

Yup. When he gets back from HK, I will inspect the reels & will buy it if he's willing to sell.

[Gaijin84]

Yup. When he gets back from HK, I will inspect the reels & will buy it if he's willing to sell.

Excellent - thanks! That could change things significantly.

[bigrogie]

Yup. When he gets back from HK, I will inspect the reels & will buy it if he's willing to sell.

Do you know when he's coming back from HK?

[HAZ]

I would be seeing the print by the weekend. My desire to have it will be less if this DVD comes out, though! There's less of a sense of urgency!

[bigrogie]

I would be seeing the print by the weekend. My desire to have it will be less if this DVD comes out, though! There's less of a sense of urgency!

True, but if the asked price of your friend is much lower than 1400£, it could be worth to wait until you see the print this weekend. If the print is good and the price lower.......Could be worth the wait! if not, still time to collect donations.

[HAZ]

True, but if the asked price of your friend is much lower than 1400£, it could be worth to wait until you see the print this weekend. If the print is good and the price lower.......Could be worth the wait! if not, still time to collect donations.

I wouldn't be able to telecine it. That is an expensive process.

[bigrogie]

I wouldn't be able to telecine it. That is an expensive process.

Then let's the members decide what they want to do. if they want to invest in Falkor's fund raise for Toby's version, I already made my offer to manage the donations of the small investors. The bigger investors, if any, could join in too if they want.

[thundered mantis]

I´ve said what I thought about the whole Massacre affair on the original Massacre´s thread. I just say it would be desirable that anyone who contributes is sure of what his personal goals for this deal are, and if those goals do coincide with the deal as it was proposed by falkor.

He´s said that he won´t be selling copies on the screening, I think (haven´t really cared to read throughly). Anyway, selling copies or not, we all know if the movie is saved, it will eventually be cheaply accesible for all, but, c´mon! The important thing is to get to see it in all it´s wide tremendous glory!

My goal: to watch Shaolin vs Lama wide

I don´t want to risk it trying to obtain it cheaper once it has been secured, ´cause I don´t have the certainty it will be. So I´ll jump in with 70 pounds.

For the guys who don´t understand the fuss, I´ll say that to me, Shaolin vs Lama, Born Invincible and 5 Fighters from Shaolin are top top top of kung fu genre and having to watch them mutilated is an outrage to the fans.

Please Falkor, keep in touch through this post, or rarekung fu web, or MP about how the fundraising is coming. A clear updated outcome of contributors and funds received I think will greatly help the deal to come through.

[falkor]

The mini-consortium idea is one that works. A Massacre Survivor is proof of this. As moderator, I support Roger's initiative and that his proposal is sound (for any out there who have doubts).

Roger - We wish to keep this topic from branching into multiple threads (like the MS one did) but please feel free to post your donations received in this thread and edit as you see fit.
Sounds like a good idea. Please feel free to start a new thread along the lines of "Fu
ndraising for 35mm transfer", and if you are able to raise £1000, I would be willing to put you in contact with Toby Russell (if you don't already have his contact details) or via me, and if that isn't enough for whatever title you would like to see transferred then I would be willing to pay the extra £100-500 with the help of Adonis.

[Shaolin Chamber 36]

I have no problem with BigRogie being the community treasurer. Thanks for stepping up BR. :bigsmile:

I have never used torrents myself either, I was referring to uploading the movie to a non-torrent site, something along the lines of this http://www.filedropper.com/index.php

There are TONS of sites like this on the net, but most have a small file size limit, this one has a max of 5GB, which I assume the movie will be on a DVD-5 disc and not a DVD-9. So this should work just fine. BR you can upload and then email out the links to all participating members.

It would be nice if the mods would let BR make a new post in the Marketplace section, and name the post, 'Shaolin vs Lama Rare Widescreen Collection Fund', or something like that. Then have a brief explanation of what it's all about, then also display your conditions BR, and basically try to include every last detail of the process, so whomever is contributing will COMPLETELY understand what is going on. Then in the same post, BR can add names and amount donated in a list. That way it would be very easy to keep track and follow along with the progress of the fund raiser.

Should there be a minimum and maximum amount set for the donation amount? Or at least a minimum. If someone wants to donate a little more than others, they are welcomed to do so, just as long as they have read and understand the process.

[falkor]

It would be nice if the mods would let BR make a new post in the Marketplace section, and name the post, 'Shaolin vs Lama Rare Widescreen Collection Fund', or something like that.
It will have to be for a different movie because I am already doing Lama.
www.rarekungfumovies.com/shaolinvslama.html
I would suggest you try to raise the money for something like Chivalry Deadly Feud.

[LittleDragon]

As far as i'm concerned,there were issues raised after the money was raised for MASSACRE, which FALKOR chose to INGNORE COMPLETELY and he also CHOSE NOT to RESPOND to MODERATORS EMAILS.?.I wonder why..?.How Convenient.!!

Now he wants to raise more money for another movie,he cant even address to issues from the last one,and now expects people to TRUST him on this one, come on, you gotta earn peoples trust before you expect them to shell out more cash..!!

Dont treat them like fools.....

[Shaolin Chamber 36]

It will have to be for a different movie because I am already doing Lama.
www.rarekungfumovies.com/shaolinvslama.html
I would suggest you try to raise the money for something like Chivalry Deadly Feud.

Sorry Falkor, but now I'm confused. You had stated this at the beginning of this thread:

Massacre Survivor is now saved. Moving forward, we need to raise the money for Shaolin Vs. Lama, otherwise we can say good-bye to future deals with Toby Russell

This is the movie everybody has been talking about, is this NOT the movie you are trying to raise money for?

[bigrogie]

It will have to be for a different movie because I am already doing Lama.
www.rarekungfumovies.com/shaolinvslama.html
I would suggest you try to raise the money for something like Chivalry Deadly Feud.


If Falkor is against our fund raising proposal for Shaolin vs Lama, what's left to be said? Time to move on to something else. I personally think that the financing of any movie through a small group of 20 people will not work again.

[Shaolin Chamber 36]

If Falkor is against our fund raising proposal for Shaolin vs Lama, what's left to be said? Time to move on to something else. I personally think that the financing of any movie through a small group of 20 people will not work again.

I am not sure that he's against it, I am just not sure what he meant by
It will have to be for a different movie because I am already doing Lama.

Will have to wait till he replies to clear things up.

[bigrogie]

I am not sure that he's against it, I am just not sure what he meant by


Will have to wait till he replies to clear things up.

I could be wrong, but when I read It will have to be for a different movie because I am already doing Lama. together with I would suggest you try to raise the money for something like Chivalry Deadly Feud it cannot logically means that he is for it, therefore against it. Correct me if I'm wrong!

[falkor]

There's no point in 2 groups trying to raise money for the same movie (Lama). My method of raising money from 15-20 collectors is proven to be successful from Massacre Survivor, and I have already started taking payments for Lama as of the 17th. If you guys would like to try and raise money via 100 fans then I can't realistically see that working, but am willing to support it, and wish you all the best of luck. Toby has many reels in need of transfer, so it would make sense to try your method for a different movie, ie. Chivalry Deadly Feud. As I said, if you can raise £1,000 towards a 35mm transfer then I would be happy to add any additional funds that may be needed on top (with the help of Adonis of course). However, if it takes you too long to raise the grand then who knows if Toby will still be interested, say, 6 months down the line? He may not even be in the country to get the reels delivered and transferred, and the fans may be concerned that you are holding onto their money for so long and uncertain about whether the release can happen. Just some pointers for you to think about and consider...

[falkor]

Here's a clip from the untreated raw capture of Shaolin Vs. Lama for those interested...
Download clip... (http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/source.mpg)

[gorhama]

I think I see what Roger is getting at. Why can't a smaller group chip in and have a front runner to be a part of the 15-20 people you are trying to get to invest in Lama? I mean if you get the money you are looking for who cares if it came from 1 person or 10???

I mean to me that makes sense and if you have 10 people you can trust then hey that's great and makes it more affordable for everyone and they would be willing to be a part of any future 35MM that Toby is willing to transfer on to DVD. Thus making the future transactions move much faster.

I hope I'm on the right path here and I think I am. :wink:

[falkor]

I think I see what Roger is getting at. Why can't a smaller group chip in and have a front runner to be a part of the 15-20 people you are trying to get to invest in Lama? I mean if you get the money you are looking for who cares if it came from 1 person or 10???
The new proposed method isn't proven to work, and I have my eyes set on Lama already, and I'm not going to wait around for 50-100 transactions to be made. By all means give it a try, but choose a different movie.

[kaleyboy]

The new proposed method isn't proven to work, and I have my eyes set on Lama already, and I'm not going to wait around for 50-100 transactions to be made. By all means give it a try, but choose a different movie.
Well, I'm not sure who died and made you king, Falkor. I think it would be good if Toby Russel came on here to do these deals himself. I don't blame him one bit for wanting to get as much money as he can for his prints, he's the one who's put in the time & effort to get them. But I don't see why you have to always be the bag man? New thinking is needed.

[Shaolin Chamber 36]

Well, I'm not sure who died and made you king, Falkor. I think it would be good if Toby Russel came on here to do these deals himself. I don't blame him one bit for wanting to get as much money as he can for his prints, he's the one who's put in the time & effort to get them. But I don't see why you have to always be the bag man? New thinking is needed.

I agree with KB!

The first way things were done, were definitely NOT a success. If anyone that participated felt cheated in anyway, then you can not say it was a success. In fact, it proves that a NEW method for gaining funds to purchase these movies is needed, and if there is no support from you, the middle man, than I don't really see how things could ever really work out. Unless Toby comes and deals with all of us himself.

[Fist Of Boss]

I agree with KB!

The first way things were done, were definitely NOT a success. If anyone that participated felt cheated in anyway, then you can not say it was a success.
That is not true.If you got movie in time Falkor promised to deliver you were not cheated in any way.You agreed terms and got what you paid for,end of deal.If you felt cheated later it`s ones attitude which makes that feeling.

The new fundraising system sounds good,it`s ideal for brokeasses or those who have sleeping troubles because some got movie for free/very cheap and other paid lots for it.
Btw I have not seen shaolin vs lama or massacre survivor. and while it may sound like it,I`m not defending falkor(I do not even know him).This is just the way I see this issue.

[Shaolin Chamber 36]

That is not true.If you got movie in time Falkor promised to deliver you were not cheated in any way.You agreed terms and got what you paid for,end of deal.If you felt cheated later it`s ones attitude which makes that feeling.

The new fundraising system sounds good,it`s ideal for brokeasses or those who have sleeping troubles because some got movie for free/very cheap and other paid lots for it.
Btw I have not seen shaolin vs lama or massacre survivor. and while it may sound like it,I`m not defending falkor(I do not even know him).This is just the way I see this issue.

I feel you FOB. I did not take part of the 'Massacre' sale, but would love to be involved with 'Lama' and other potential sales. I was just trying to think of a way that will help those who may have lighter pockets than others, but would still like to take part of securing a gem like 'Lama'.

I'm sure everything will work out in the end. I personally can not wait to see this movie WIDE...

Let's get this ball rollin'!

[falkor]

Well, I'm not sure who died and made you king, Falkor. I think it would be good if Toby Russel came on here to do these deals himself. I don't blame him one bit for wanting to get as much money as he can for his prints, he's the one who's put in the time & effort to get them. But I don't see why you have to always be the bag man? New thinking is needed.
A Lama fundraising scheme has already been arranged between Toby, Adonis and myself--is in progress--and I don't appreciate you guys trying to muscle in with a proposal that has no set time frame to completion nor has ever been trialed before. Again, if you want to start with a fresh project for a fresh movie then that's fine, but just don't conflict with me:
www.rarekungfumovies.com/ShaolinVsLama.html

[Gaijin84]

A Lama fundraising scheme has already been arranged between Toby, Adonis and myself--is in progress--and I don't appreciate you guys trying to muscle in with a proposal that has no set time frame to completion nor has ever been trialed before. Again, if you want to start with a fresh project for a fresh movie then that's fine, but just don't conflict with me:
www.rarekungfumovies.com/ShaolinVsLama.html


I'm not sure this argument is going to be resolved. falkor is not interested in smaller donations with no timeline. If he can get his desired donators to put up the £1400 more power to him, we'll find out in 2 weeks. If it doesn't happen so be it.
falkor - will you keep the forum updated on the progress towards the £1400 goal?

[LittleDragon]

Well, I'm not sure who died and made you king, Falkor. I think it would be good if Toby Russel came on here to do these deals himself. I don't blame him one bit for wanting to get as much money as he can for his prints, he's the one who's put in the time & effort to get them. But I don't see why you have to always be the bag man? New thinking is needed.

Well spoken, i agree.....Who made you King of Kung Fu Falkor.?

[lightning hopkins]

So many red flags.... :crossedlips:

[Killer Meteor]

A Lama fundraising scheme has already been arranged between Toby, Adonis and myself--is in progress--and I don't appreciate you guys trying to muscle in with a proposal that has no set time frame to completion nor has ever been trialed before. Again, if you want to start with a fresh project for a fresh movie then that's fine, but just don't conflict with me:
www.rarekungfumovies.com/ShaolinVsLama.html

Is that a threat?

[gorhama]

The new proposed method isn't proven to work, and I have my eyes set on Lama already, and I'm not going to wait around for 50-100 transactions to be made. By all means give it a try, but choose a different movie.


Again no reason why a larger group can't be set to the same time table and if it's not meet then it didn't work out. I mean it sounds like you have the same potential problem if the 15-20 people don't raise the money needed for Lama.

Again I'm not trying to start anything or say what method is better...but as we've read in the Massacre thread there were groups of reliable people that pooled their money and and had a front runner and that seemed to work I mean the money was raised.

So I think it's worth a try for any future 35mm prints Toby is willing to offer to us. I don't see why it has to be limited to 15-20 collectors. :neutral:

[Killer Meteor]

Again no reason why a larger group can't be set to the same time table and if it's not meet then it didn't work out. I mean it sounds like you have the same potential problem if the 15-20 people don't raise the money needed for Lama.

Again I'm not trying to start anything or say what method is better...but as we've read in the Massacre thread there were groups of reliable people that pooled their money and and had a front runner and that seemed to work I mean the money was raised.

So I think it's worth a try for any future 35mm prints Toby is willing to offer to us. I don't see why it has to be limited to 15-20 collectors. :neutral:

Yes, I say let people contribute as much as possible, with perhaps special incentives for those who contribute a lot - such as a private screening - but don't dismiss the little guy out of hand.

If I won the Lottery, I'd seriously buy some of Russel's prints or telecines and commit them to a public DVD label.

[kaleyboy]

Well it looks like Falkor wants to do it his way. Let's all look forward to downloading it for free, instead of contributing our smaller amounts towards it. Looks like our cash isn't wanted here...

[kungfusamurai]

There's no reason to get Falkor involved. He's set his price - 70GBP for one DVDR. He might be confused thinking you guys are expecting him to dupe extra copies if you get 10 investors for 7GBP to make up one 70GBP offer. Whoever is the representative (Roger, for example) will be the one who gets the copy from Falkor, but then has to make 10 copies of that and mail those out to the 10 investors in his pool.

Since Falkor's offer is via his website, there's other people from around the world who will contact him to cover the difference, so just put in your 70GBP via Roger and leave it at that. I have a feeling you guys will still get your copies.

From what it sounds like, the movie has already been telecined, since Falkor presented screenshots from it

Here are some screenshots from the untreated 35mm transfer of Shaolin Vs. Lama without any resizing, colour correction or conversion to progressive

KFS

[Shaolin Chamber 36]

There's no reason to get Falkor involved. He's set his price - 70GBP for one DVDR. He might be confused thinking you guys are expecting him to dupe extra copies if you get 10 investors for 7GBP to make up one 70GBP offer. Whoever is the representative (Roger, for example) will be the one who gets the copy from Falkor, but then has to make 10 copies of that and mail those out to the 10 investors in his pool.

Since Falkor's offer is via his website, there's other people from around the world who will contact him to cover the difference, so just put in your 70GBP via Roger and leave it at that. I have a feeling you guys will still get your copies.

From what it sounds like, the movie has already been telecined, since Falkor presented screenshots from it



KFS

Well now that you put it that way KFS, I believe you're right. It should not be hard at all to raise 70 or even 140. Roger, you still willing to represent us smaller invetors? I'm in.

[kaleyboy]

So you mean a smaller group making up £70 towards the total cost?

[bigrogie]

Well now that you put it that way KFS, I believe you're right. It should not be hard at all to raise 70 or even 140. Roger, you still willing to represent us smaller invetors? I'm in.

Sure. I'll create a thread within this thread later this morning to keep track of the donors and the amounts received. We'll stick by the deadline of May 8 set by Falkor so there will be no conflict with his fundraising. Once the thread is created, everyone will be able to see how much is raised on a daily basis. it would be nice if Falkor then keeps the forum informed on how much he has collected himself on a daily basis too as the goal is to reach 1400£, nothing more.

[The Silver Fox]

scam [skam]
noun (plural scams)
dishonest scheme: a scheme for making money by dishonest means (slang)


transitive verb (past scammed, past participle scammed, present participle scam·ming, 3rd person present singular scams)
trick somebody: to obtain money from somebody by dishonest means (slang)


[Mid-20th century. Origin unknown.]


-scam·mer, noun

[bigrogie]

This thread is created with the consent of teako170 (post # 50) and in accordance with my post # 46.

The goal is to collect donations from whoever would like to contribute to the release of Shaolin vs Lama in widescreen version offered by Falkor (post # 1). As Falkor does not want contributions lower than 70£ each, this fundraising is mostly for the small investors interested in funding this project but is certainly not limited to them.

This fundraising is not in competition with Falkor's fundraising at www.rarekungfumovies.com/shaolinvslama.html. It is an attempt to complement it.

Rules of this fundraising:

1. All donations must be sent to my Paypal account r.judd@videotron.ca

2. Since the total sum required is in £ (1400£), all donations must me made only in £, not in US$ or CAD$ (Paypal charges fees to convert currencies and I don't want to pay for that). The sender is responsible for Paypal's conversion fees of his donation.

3. Payment must be sent as gift (Paypal does not charge its 3% fee on amounts sent as gift and instead charges a small fee (US$0.50 to US$1.50) to the sender of the money. If the contributor prefers to send the money as purchase of goods then please add 3% to your donation. It is not for me to absorb the 3% Paypal fees.

4. When you send your donation please indicate clearly on your Paypal payment that it is for Shaolin vs Lama Fund and your KFC ID.

5. All contributors will be identified on this forum with his KFC ID and the amount donated. I will keep it updated daily on this thread so that everyone can see the progress of the fundraising.

6. I suggest (not an obligation) that donations be of a minimum of 5£. No maximum. Donate as you please and most importantly as you can afford.

7. The deadline for the donations has been changed from May 8, 2010 to May 23, 2010, 6:00 p.m. Montreal time (Canada/USA Eastern time zone). No donations will be accepted after the deadline.

8. My contribution will be to manage the collection of funds and that will take some time, therefore I will not contribute to the donations.

9. The donations will be sent to Falkor only once he has confirmed on this thread that the sum of 1400£ would be reached with the total donations of this fund which would conclude the deal.

10. If Falkor announces on this forum that the sum of 1400£ has been reached (including the donations which will be posted here), I will upload the movie (when received) on a site to be determined, with a password, so that all contributors can download it. (Suggestions are welcome as to which site should be used as I’m not familiar with them). If the DVD comes with a cover (I assume it will), I’ll gladly email a scan to all the contributors who will ask me.

11. If the deal is not concluded, I will simply refund all the investors within 24hrs of Falkor's announcement to this effect on this forum (Paypal payments can be refund within 60 days so that is not an issue here with the deadline set for May 8, 2010).

It would be appropriate if Falkor would also keep us currently informed of the total sums raised through his fundraising on this thread. That’s up to him but I invite him to do so. That would allow everyone to see the progress of the total funds raised and it could help triggering more donations as we could see how close (or far) we are of the 1400£ target.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or email me directly at r.judd@videotron.ca Please take note that I reply much faster to my emails than my PMs.

Roger

DONATIONS, CONTRIBUTORS, DATE

10£ ALIR April 23
14£ MAKONE April 23
8£ NORTHERN May 1
10£ ATHENA May 2
20£ GAIJIN84 May 3
20£ WIGSPLITTA May 4
20£ KFC member (asked to be Anonymous) May 5
20£ KFC member (asked to be Anonymous) May 7

THIS FUND RAISING HAS BEEN TERMINATED. ALL THE CONTRIBUTORS HAVE BEEN FULLY REFUNDED.

[falkor]

Sounds good. I agree! Roger, let's talk around the 7th, and we can fill each other in on whether our combined contributions is anywhere near the target.

[bigrogie]

Sounds good. I agree! Roger, let's talk around the 7th, and we can fill each other in on whether our combined contributions is anywhere near the target.

Sure. I'll email you on the 7th. You will be able to see the progress of our fundraising as it will be posted daily on this thread. You could do the same.

[Gaijin84]

Sounds good. I agree! Roger, let's talk around the 7th, and we can fill each other in on whether our combined contributions is anywhere near the target.

Falkor - are you going to keep the forum posted on how much you've raised throughout the next two weeks?

[falkor]

Falkor - are you going to keep the forum posted on how much you've raised throughout the next two weeks?
Nearer to the end, sure! I know we won't get anywhere close to the actual amount though, so it will be a question of how much money out of my own pocket I will have to pay towards Lama to see it secured or whether it's best to let it go and make do with the fullscreen version for the rest of my life.

[Rock_Bottom]

scam [skam]
noun (plural scams)
dishonest scheme: a scheme for making money by dishonest means (slang)


transitive verb (past scammed, past participle scammed, present participle scam·ming, 3rd person present singular scams)
trick somebody: to obtain money from somebody by dishonest means (slang)


[Mid-20th century. Origin unknown.]


-scam·mer, noun

If you feel scammed it's probably best move on...personally, I donated to MS...whined about it, got over it and have now donated to this effort (S vs. L)...and will gladly donate to future opportunities like this.

Some people like to drink or take drugs, some like to gamble...or whatever expensive hobby other people may have...this is what I like and it's my money so I'll piss it away any way I please. :smile: Anyway you put it, whatever your reasons for donating, seeing movies get a proper opportunity to be released (in a proper format) is worth it to me at the end of the day.

...and I'm glad to see everyone at every donation level having an opportunity to get in on the action...financial levels should not prevent people from having the opportunity to enjoy a movie...though I am now thinking about being buried with my movies! :tongue:

[alir]

Thought the collection fund was such a good idea that I signed up here and made a contribution to the cause.

[JAMAL]

I can help with the cover disigh again.

Jamal

[kungfusamurai]

... or whether it's best to let it go and make do with the fullscreen version for the rest of my life.

It's okay, falkor. You can at least watch it for a fiver when they show it at the screening, or if copies are sold at the door. :D

KFS

[Daigoro]

The price is ridiculous, and im not sure how much of it is real, or if falkor would not receive a copy, since he is the one who is
tobys friend working on the print. I don't believe him when he says he will be stuck with a fullscreen copy but the important thing
is that we just try and be honest about it and even if it does seem like a sacrifice to contribute & remember that we are the ones
who will be stuck with that massacred fullscreen copy of Shaolin vs Lama. If i understood what has transpired on those last three
pages of this poorly marketed sale -- then it looks like my old friend falkor has finally opened up to the idea that he needs help
of others. I really appreciate this attitude, if that is true (that he has accepting donations through Roger and funds raised by
himself). I think firstly there should be a seperate thread for roger so we do not get in falkor's way of promoting and hyping.

I was perplexed by the notion that falkor turned down, and even criticized the idea of additional smaller investors (people not
willing to invest so much for a film, even if it is rare) thinking it would not make that much of a difference. We can though,
together we can do it. I expect a lot of people to donate since everyone, even smaller investors would like to a receive a copy.
I believe some rules should be made to discourage and give special incentive to donate for those that otherwise would not and
think that they will get a free copy for download. If you are not on the list then you should not receive a copy at all, even
through a trade for at least 6 months. I think the investment and real money people made who truly worked towards securing the
films interest should be looked after. This way there are no regrets after. There are lessons to learn from massacre survivor.

I repeat an incentive has to be given to contribute, and discourage the people who think ''they will just wait to download it''.
We need all the help we can get. If you do not contribute, then you don't deserve a copy period. I think the minimum for smaller
time investors to add to the securing of Shaolin VS Lama (wide) should be 25-30 USD or they should not be let onto the tree,
or pool as kungfusamurai put it..I'm in for $30.00 USD. You cannot loose so lets pull together on this opportunity. If in the event
we do not secure it you will get your money back. It's a win win situation. Now if i understood wrongly and falkor is actually
still insisting funds collected through roger will be used for other offers (not svl), then tell me now, because im out. Thanks.

BTW falkor, Haz, I would change the title for this topic since things seem to finally be swinging towards donations other than
"Late Night Kung Fu event @ Bethnal Green, London". Perhaps Help Save Shaolin VS Lama Wide - Deadline May 8th.

[HAZ]

This thread is moving in a good direction. I hope this happens!

[The Silver Fox]

Quote If you feel scammed it's probably best move on...personally, I donated to MS...whined about it, got over it and have now donated to this effort (S vs. L)...and will gladly donate to future opportunities like this.


I don't feel scammed because I would never contribute money to something like this. I'm quite satisfied with my Ground Zero version of Shaolin VS Lama-quite an over-rated film in my estimation.

[thundered mantis]

I also think the thread name should be changed; and the topic moved again to classic kung fu subforum, or put on a sticky in all the forums. The fact that it is a private venture doesn´t collude with the fact that we´re talking about the posibility of getting Shaolin vs Lama wide for the fanbase. It´s one of the milestones of kung fu cinema, and it´s on almost everyone´s top ten list. Alongside with Born Invincible, I think it´s the only one of the great classics that it isn´t available uncropped.

If we´re a fan forum, I think the posibility to achieve it is important enough to have it on the big subforum.

[Shaolin Chamber 36]

I also think the thread name should be changed; and the topic moved again to classic kung fu subforum, or put on a sticky in all the forums. The fact that it is a private venture doesn´t collude with the fact that we´re talking about the posibility of getting Shaolin vs Lama wide for the fanbase. It´s one of the milestones of kung fu cinema, and it´s on almost everyone´s top ten list. Alongside with Born Invincible, I think it´s the only one of the great classics that it isn´t available uncropped.

If we´re a fan forum, I think the posibility to achieve it is important enough to have it on the big subforum.

I believe these changes should be made and placed about the forum on all sections and stickied. And Roger's post should be first so it would be easy to check for updates on donations and to follow the progress. I also agree with Daigoro regarding having an incentive for contributors, and also to have a minimum amount set to at least $25 US Dollars.

[kungfusamurai]

For tracking, if a thread hasn't already been opened, perhaps it should be done with a Poll option. Just one option. If it only allows two minimum, then make a dummy second option. Basically whoever decides to contribute to Roger's pool will 'vote' in the poll. The names of who voted would be public too. Just a thought, so it's easier to see who's in.

KFS

[Shaolin Chamber 36]

For tracking, if a thread hasn't already been opened, perhaps it should be done with a Poll option. Just one option. If it only allows two minimum, then make a dummy second option. Basically whoever decides to contribute to Roger's pool will 'vote' in the poll. The names of who voted would be public too. Just a thought, so it's easier to see who's in.

KFS

Good idea KFS. Whatever will make the process easy to follow should definitely be considered.

[bigrogie]

I believe these changes should be made and placed about the forum on all sections and stickied. And Roger's post should be first so it would be easy to check for updates on donations and to follow the progress.

If the mods want to move the thread to a subforum, fine with me!

As for the progress, you can at least see it now on post # 89.

Daigoro said If you do not contribute, then you don't deserve a copy period.

I strongly disagree. These movies are for everyone (kung fu fans) to be seen, I don't care how they get it (trade, secondary sale market, torrents, etc....). That is like saying if you can't afford it than too bad for you. Many collectors get their movies through trades only because it is the only way they can afford it. Sure some will wait for free download somewhere but we can't really control that. It is done daily with Hollywood movies, music etc... Hoarding has never been my cup of tea.

Daigoro also said I think the minimum for smallertime investors to add to the securing of Shaolin VS Lama (wide) should be 25-30 USD or they should not be let onto the tree,or pool as kungfusamurai put it

Again I strongly disagree. Who's talking about investing????? DONATION is the word. This is not an investment in any shape or form except maybe for Toby and/or Falkor. Anyone considering this an investment will be a poor man for a long time :wink:

ShaolinChambers 36 said I also agree with Daigoro regarding having an incentive for contributors, and also to have a minimum amount set to at least $25 US Dollars.

I strongly disagree. Let people give what they want because that's one of the main reasons why I volunteered for this. Also, a reminder that donations must be in £, not US$.

Roger

[HAZ]

Maybe BigR can create a new thread & I'll sticky it? This is Falkor's thread, and I don't want to jack it or rename it, at least without his permission.

[Daigoro]

Roger, please don't paraphrase my shit, it looks ridiculous. The reason why i said if you do not contribute then you don't deserve a
copy is taken out of context by Roger, the reason i said that is to encourage donations and discourage the people who think they will
just be able to download it when we need the donations. So far, there is hardly and funding at all. How could you question my motive,
you sell movies on ebay all day 24/7, everyones work, are you really just looking to get good sales for Shaolin VS Lama on your ebay
page. I understand these movie should be made available for free, but there is a time and place for it and fund drive is now.

You paraphrased me also when i wrote it should not be made available unless you contribute, and when i mentioned investment.

I wrote (and if anyone want's to actually read my post go look), that it should eventually be made available to the public, and not
as fast, even through trading to discourage people who think they will just be able to download it after massacre survivor. You are
encouraging freeloading and discourage donations needed. And Roger, WTF is up with all this adamant ''???????'' in your posts?

The way you would like it (5-10 donations) might seem the best but it also discourage real donating. Potential contributors will be lost
because they think will just be able to download it, therefore the funds would be significantly less. I have not set the level very high.
$25-30 dollars as the minimum is very low, it's half of what commitment falkor was asking. Finally i will say to falkor, it looks like
Roger might abuse this privilege and just try and upload Shaolin VS Lama as soon as he get's it. If this is the case falkor, you may
want to reconsider your dealings and his motivation for making himself the captain of donations. Thanks, moving right along now.

[bigrogie]

Maybe BigR can create a new thread & I'll sticky it? This is Falkor's thread, and I don't want to jack it or rename it, at least without his permission.

I'm not too familiar with moving threads. Please feel free to move it where you see fit.

Roger

[bigrogie]

You're such an idiot! Don't have time to waste on you.

Roger, please don't paraphrase my shit, it looks ridiculous. The reason why i said if you do not contribute then you don't deserve a
copy is taken out of context by Roger, the reason i said that is to encourage donations and discourage the people who think they will
just be able to download it when we need the donations. So far, there is hardly and funding at all. How could you question my motive,
you sell movies on ebay all day 24/7, everyones work, are you really just looking to get good sales for Shaolin VS Lama on your ebay
page. I understand these movie should be made available for free, but there is a time and place for it and fund drive is now.

You paraphrased me also when i wrote it should not be made available unless you contribute, and when i mentioned investment.

I wrote (and if anyone want's to actually read my post go look), that it should eventually be made available to the public, and not
as fast, even through trading to discourage people who think they will just be able to download it after massacre survivor. You are
encouraging freeloading and discourage donations needed. And Roger, WTF is up with all this adamant ''???????'' in your posts?

The way you would like it (5-10 donations) might seem the best but it also discourage real donating. Potential contributors will be lost
because they think will just be able to download it, therefore the funds would be significantly less. I have not set the level very high.
$25-30 dollars as the minimum is very low, it's half of what commitment falkor was asking. Finally i will say to falkor, it looks like
Roger might abuse this privilege and just try and upload Shaolin VS Lama as soon as he get's it. If this is the case falkor, you may
want to reconsider your dealings and his motivation for making himself the captain of donations. Thanks, moving right along now.

[kaleyboy]

The way you would like it (5-10 donations) might seem the best but it also discourage real donating. Potential contributors will be lost
because they think will just be able to download it
So can you guarantee that those investing won't be able to DL for free? Of course not! And please enlighten me, oh all seeing mystic, what has bigrogie's ebay sales got to do with this? If the best contribution you can make is a personal attack on a trusted, well respected member of this forum, then you should think twice before posting that kind of garbage again. But of course I forgot, you're psychic, so you already knew that.

[gorhama]

So can you guarantee that those investing won't be able to DL for free? Of course not! And please enlighten me, oh all seeing mystic, what has bigrogie's ebay sales got to do with this? If the best contribution you can make is a personal attack on a trusted, well respected member of this forum, then you should think twice before posting that kind of garbage again. But of course I forgot, you're psychic, so you already knew that.

Totally agree!! Bigrogie has proved himself time and time again to his friends and trading partners. His e-bay page doesn't have a single thing to do with this, but I can say that he sells the movies under the same pretence that he mentioned earlier he's not a hoarder or a kung fu movie elitist it's so everyone can have a chance to see these awesome movies.

Let's leave the personal attacks out of this, Roger did what everyone does on the forums, quote something you wrote Daigoro. He was simply stating his opinion in regards to your opinion. He wasn't attacking you or anything like that.

Let's just keep things positive.

[makone]

i hope the argueing will soon disperse and people will start to support these projects (funds).
i`ve donated £14 for a film i honestly couldnt careless if i ever see.the only reason i did,is this imo is a very good way to get these movies out in the way they should be seen and i wanted to support it.even if its only in a small way.

[lightning hopkins]

this imo is a very good way to get these movies out in the way they should be seen...

Might be interesting for the fu community here to discuss this issue at some point.

Seems like there both positives and negatives to these deals -- liberating movies from the vaults and distributing them to the world, but at what cost? Far be it from me to denigrate anyone trying to make a buck, but let's not forget that people are profiting here, and some arguably dubious motivations and behaviors are being rewarded in the process.

Just some rainy day reflections. Anyone?

[Gaijin84]

Might be interesting for the fu community here to discuss this issue at some point.

Seems like there both positives and negatives to these deals -- liberating movies from the vaults and distributing them to the world, but at what cost? Far be it from me to denigrate anyone trying to make a buck, but let's not forget that people are profiting here, and some arguably dubious motivations and behaviors are being rewarded in the process.

Just some rainy day reflections. Anyone?

I think the high probability that the movie will be eventually free for download prevents a deal like Massacre Survivor, with limited people making large contributions, from ever happening again. Going forward a large number of small investors is the most realistic method. This way no one feels completely cheated when the torrent shows up. I think MS would have remained in the trading arena much longer had the £5 version not been sold at the screening, but what's done is done.
As for who's making $, obviously Toby made a bunch on MS, but I'm not sure who else did. IMHO falkor is trying to make some money back on SVL (which is certainly his right to do), but chose the wrong film and set the price too high to get people to seriously consider investing £70 (which is still a lot of money to a majority of fans). Roger's solution is the best one, but we'll see where everything ends up.
At the end of the day, the film itself will determine the success of the venture. MS was an excellent choice with a stellar cast and crew that had never been released. SVL is quite a bit lower on the ladder in those regards. The more offers that are put out there to save films the easier it will be to determine the market price. That's why it would be premature to threaten to end this whole affair if the SVL project does not come to fruition.

[rdenn]

who is going to show in bethnal green ?

[falkor]

I will be there! Here's the flyer...
http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/forum/images/flyer2.jpg

[peringaten]

Yeah, I'm definitely not missing this one, by hook or by crook; already gutted I missed out on MS, can't let such things happen again.

Any idea of what the support film might be?

[Akuma]

I'm definetly going, not gonna miss it.

[kungfusamurai]

How did they screen Massacre Survivor? Is it projected onto a screen using a digital projector hooked up to a DVD player? And do they use a single layer disc or dual layer high bitrate version?

KFS

[thundered mantis]

Any news on this one? Deadline´s approaching. Updating would be good to encourage donors, IMO. I don´t want to see this effort gone fruitless, when the fruit is as juicy as Shaolin vs Lama in all it´s uncropped glory! :bigsmile:

[bigrogie]

Any news on this one? Deadline´s approaching. Updating would be good to encourage donors, IMO. I don´t want to see this effort gone fruitless, when the fruit is as juicy as Shaolin vs Lama in all it´s uncropped glory! :bigsmile:

You can check my post # 89 which is updated 3-4 times a day for donations received by me. Very small so far. 32£.

[Athena]

You can check my post # 89 which is updated 3-4 times a day for donations received by me. Very small so far. 32£.

bigrogie !
Nice of you to be the middle man :wink: !
I would like to donate but I have a question :I never do the " download movie " deal ( never really had time to get into it ) but mainly because I have satellite internet connection & it is crappy at best. Would you be able to make me any kind of copy disc ? I have all region/all format players so that doesn't matter . I will pay for the disc /shipping etc. ? If you reply here or PM with the amount needed I appreciate it !
Xiexie Athena

[Athena]

bigrogie !
Nice of you to be the middle man :wink: !
I would like to donate but I have a question :I never do the " download movie " deal ( never really had time to get into it ) but mainly because I have satellite internet connection & it is crappy at best. Would you be able to make me any kind of copy disc ? I have all region/all format players so that doesn't matter . I will pay for the disc /shipping etc. ? If you reply here or PM with the amount needed I appreciate it !
Xiexie Athena

Sorry bigrogie !
Meant to say I have a US ( & a Europe ) address, in case that will make any difference as far as making the disc & shipping it.
Again Xiexie, Athena

[bigrogie]

Sorry bigrogie !
Meant to say I have a US ( & a Europe ) address, in case that will make any difference as far as making the disc & shipping it.
Again Xiexie, Athena

Hi. PM sent

[Athena]

Hi. PM sent

Thanks bigrogie!
Xiexie Athena...

[Athena]

GAIJIN84 !
Thank you for contributing ! :kiss: I wish I were richer but I am not ( now ..but there is hopeing..:squigglemouth::wink:)
Xiexie Athena

[wigsplitta]

Time to step into the fray and stick some money in.
Can't afford as much as I did first time round at the moment, but every little helps as they say!
bigrogie - many thanks for taking on the smaller contributions and keeping this thread up to date.
falkor - any news on contributions from your side. Some totals thus far would be great to keep people in the loop and lure others in from the sidelines. :wink:

[Athena]

Time to step into the fray and stick some money in.
Can't afford as much as I did first time round at the moment, but every little helps as they say!
bigrogie - many thanks for taking on the smaller contributions and keeping this thread up to date.
falkor - any news on contributions from your side. Some totals thus far would be great to keep people in the loop and lure others in from the sidelines. :wink:

I NEWER KNEW IT WERE SO MANY NICE ( + " MEN / WOMEN WITH NO NAME " TOO ! )GUYS AROUND !!!!:xd::wink::bigsmile::kiss: !!

PS. How often do you hear that guys/ (gals ) ( ?) ..., & from the opposite/ (same ) sex..!( ikes .. lost some of the joke there.. never mind ..YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN --> YOUR GREAT ! )). .!!! LOL...

Athena:angel:

[Athena]

Hi. PM sent

Thank you again Bigrogie !
I wanted to ask you is there a # you /we are trying to reach ( by not much longer I see ,deadline is approaching fast ! ) ? Like the = of 2 large investors or something ? Do you know the M.I.A. number of needed large investors ( the 70 each ) ?
Xiexie Athena

[bigrogie]

Thank you again Bigrogie !
I wanted to ask you is there a # you /we are trying to reach ( by not much longer I see ,deadline is approaching fast ! ) ? Like the = of 2 large investors or something ? Do you know the M.I.A. number of needed large investors ( the 70 each ) ?
Xiexie Athena

All I know is that I have 122£ in the fund (post # 89). I have no clue what Falkor has collected.

[bigrogie]

Message to Falkor:

As of now I have collected 122£ (see post # 89) and if this is not happening I will refund the donations.

Please leave the FLK forum for a few minutes :wink: and I think that it would be a good idea to let us know what's happening with Shaolin VS Lama WS.

Thank you.

[Akuma]

I recieved an email from Rarekfm this morning regarding the fundraising for Lama widescreen. 2 weeks more is all we have to secure it, so come on guys let's make it happen.

Below is what the email stated:

Dear All,

I'm happy to inform you that we are past the halfway mark in regards to securing Shaolin Vs. Lama, so it's realistically within our reach. However, we are still in need of several more contributions, so have extended the deadline until after the public showing, and appreciate you considering our cause. The new closing date is 23rd May 2010 (2 weeks from now).

http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/ShaolinVsLama.html

Thanks and Regards,
Giles & Adonis
The RareKFM team
www.RareKungFuMovies.com

.

[bigrogie]

I also received this morning the same email Athena received.

Falkor also suggested to me to inform the forum of this new deadline. Athena beat me to it!:wink:

Don't really understand why it's not Falkor doing this announcement regarding his project.........Anyway, as you can see from Athena's post, the deadline has been extended to May 23, 2010. Consequently, I will keep the donations received to date until May 23, 2010 unless advised otherwise by the donor(s).

I keep the total updated daily on my post # 89.

[LittleDragon]

And once Falkors got his money, you'll all get a " Street Copy "..!!..then quickly after a £306 " Remastered " one will pop up with Screen comparisons..!!:tongue::tinysmile_angry2_t:

[thundered mantis]

I´ve also received the mail, and I´ve added 50 pounds to my previous 70. Would want to know how far are we from the final goal? We can´t be so far away? Maybe we are on 1000 pounds or even closer? I could make a little final effort to get to there, as I really really want to see SvL wide. It´s on my top 5 most wished for:

Shaolin vs Lama wide
Gerd Ma Lui 2
5 Fighters from Shaolin wide
Reckless Cricket
Sword of Justice

(honorable mentions go to To Kill a Mastermind, Lover´s Blades, Ghosts Galore, 2 Fists Against the Law, Shanghai 13, Born Invincible and Thunderclap decent wide versions)

What beats me is that the bigrogie option is not collecting more funds from donors. From the more than 2000 active users are not even 50 that are willing to donate even the really cheap sum of 5 pounds to get to see Shaolin vs Lama widescreen? I understand people not wanting to waste 70 pounds on that, but, come on, 5 quid? We´ve been talking about that movie for years

[bigrogie]

I´ve also received the mail, and I´ve added 50 pounds to my previous 70. Would want to know how far are we from the final goal? We can´t be so far away? Maybe we are on 1000 pounds or even closer?

Only Falkor could answer this. Everyday I update my post # 89 so everyone here can how much has been raised. Nothing else I can do on my part.

Falkor, for whatever reasons personal to him, has decided to keep everyone in the dark on his fundraising. I would certainly not adopt this approach but this is his baby so he does as it pleases him!

He said in his email that the halfway mark was passed. Why doesn't he just tell us the true amount raised? The answer to that question is pretty obvious to me and should be to everyone here! :wink:

[TibetanWhiteCrane]

What scares people away from donating is FALKOR!!!!

If some of you guys set up a deal on your own, im sure more people would chip in!

Just my two cents....

[Shaolin Chamber 36]

Falkor could have met and surpassed the amount needed to gain possession of SvsL wide. Nothing is to stop him from accepting what BigRogie manages to collect, even if it was not all neded, and use the difference to fund his own "remastering" cost. :)

I know this thought may have crossed peoples mind, it has mine. But what can you do. This is all based on a honor system at this point. That is until we can get Toby on here himself and figure out a better fund raising method. Not so sure if that day will ever come though.

Even though jobless, I plan on donating at least 20 to the fund. Will do it soon. Waiting on my EDD check. :squigglemouth:

[The Lizard]

When necessary money gathered I`m very surprised if Falkors only reward is free copy.

More likely some £`s will end up to his pockets.

[niro]

Maybe if there were regular updates on how much has been collected so far by falkar (like what bigrogie is doing) then people might be more inclined to donate

[kaleyboy]

Falkor already has SvL wide, he'll soon be getting Born Invincible wide from TR. He does this donation routine to recover some of his costs. He's already paid the money, this is no better than a scam.

[LittleDragon]

Falkor already has SvL wide, he'll soon be getting Born Invincible wide from TR. He does this donation routine to recover some of his costs. He's already paid the money, this is no better than a scam.

why are so many people not seeing this.?....i wonder.?

[greenfan]

You could contact Joseph Kuo and get him to whip up a glass DVD of Born Invincible, It'd be good for the original film maker to pocket the dough.

[HAZ]

Falkor doesn't seem to be posting on this forum anymore. He hasn't replied to this thread in a while. If that's the case, I don't see why this thread needs to keep on going. The negative cloud hanging over the forums on account of Falkor & his projects sucks. Let's get back to enjoying movies in a friendly atmosphere. And if you got beef with him, go to the FLK forums & take it up with him there. I'm not even sure if having him promote his projects & events here makes any sense anymore. There's too much suspicion of him and a lack of transparancy in his dealings. And he doesn't post here anymore, from the look of things. The only reason to keep this thread open is for bigrogie & if he wanted to start his own thread where he posts updates on donations for Shaolin Vs Lama without mention of any of Falkor and his troubles, that would be fine by me. Then we could dead this thread & can get back to the business of enjoying movies. Also, maybe further beef with falkor should be directed to the traders & sellers to avoid forum? If you bought a copy of MS & feel stiffed, speak your piece there & let others know about your experience.

h

[LittleDragon]

Falkors gone over to FLK..SAYS HES NOT COMING BACK HERE!!!!....

[silver hermit]

the only people complaining are those that got it for free:crossedlips:

[bigrogie]

Falkor doesn't seem to be posting on this forum anymore. He hasn't replied to this thread in a while. If that's the case, I don't see why this thread needs to keep on going. The negative cloud hanging over the forums on account of Falkor & his projects sucks. Let's get back to enjoying movies in a friendly atmosphere. And if you got beef with him, go to the FLK forums & take it up with him there. I'm not even sure if having him promote his projects & events here makes any sense anymore. There's too much suspicion of him and a lack of transparancy in his dealings. And he doesn't post here anymore, from the look of things. The only reason to keep this thread open is for bigrogie & if he wanted to start his own thread where he posts updates on donations for Shaolin Vs Lama without mention of any of Falkor and his troubles, that would be fine by me. Then we could dead this thread & can get back to the business of enjoying movies. Also, maybe further beef with falkor should be directed to the traders & sellers to avoid forum? If you bought a copy of MS & feel stiffed, speak your piece there & let others know about your experience.

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Falkor has posted this message on FLK today:

I feel like a complete idiot having wasted so much time on KFC trying to educate people about Kung only to see the majority of them dissing it; an insult to Born Invincible is an insult to me! I will NEVER go back to that forum ever again. I should have been posting here more instead. There are all but a few true fans over there, and they should migrate to this forum immediately. KFC Forum is a disgrace to our genre. I just hope we don't get any trolls joining up here.

We will find out next week the general state and condition of the Born Invincible 35mm reels, being transferred by Toby Russell, and whether it's releasable or not...

Consequently, does anyone here see any reasons why the fund raising should continue? I don't mind continuing it, but I personally see no more purpose to it at this point. I just don't see how we could deal with Falkor at this point. My 2 cents!

[Markgway]

an insult to Born Invincible is an insult to me!

:tongue:

KFC Forum is a disgrace to our genre

No. The disgrace is narrow-minded fans who think they know better than everyone else what "Kung" is.

Or for that matter people who called the genre "Kung"...

Consequently, does anyone here see any reasons why the fund raising should continue? I don't mind continuing it, but I personally see no more purpose to it at this point. I just don't see how we could deal with Falkor at this point. My 2 cents!

You guys need to contact Toby Russell independently and inform him of what Falkor is doing and saying in his name... I see no reason why Russell wouldn't deal with other fans direct if they can raise the cash.

[kaleyboy]

You guys need to contact Toby Russell independently and inform him of what Falkor is doing and saying in his name... I see no reason why Russell wouldn't deal with other fans direct if they can raise the cash.

Amen to that!!!:bigsmile:

[kungfusamurai]

If Falkor posted that each copy is 70GBP, then you guys should stick to that. He might start ummming and ahhhing about his totals and then try to encourage people to send in more than what he asked. And it's possible that he's surpassed his 1400 but if he gets 30 people willing to pay 70 each, he'll still keep the price the same and not admit that he collected more than the amount he requested

Now I know why he's got such a hard on for Born Invincible. His goal was to get the widescreen copy from Toby. He can't do that if people think the movie sucks. I called him out in another thread saying that he plays up the mediocre films because he wants to make sales on them, and I realize now that his BI fetish was part of that plan. It's a waste of his time to even discuss Shaw Brothers films, because they're pretty much all available on DVD.

If his primary motivation is to make money off the films, is he still considered a 'true' kung fu movie FAN or just a collector and profiteer?

KFS

[LittleDragon]

Falkors motivation is MONEY & GREED...pure and simple......For REAL FANS money doesnt come into it, its the fun and joy of watching the movies...

Falkor's methods are just a way of getting other people to FUND his WANTS at other peoples expense........this is clearly evident from day one.....

His attitude is ARRAGANT...he talks Bullshit most the time and AVIODS any issues raised over MASSACRE.....because it suits him, he's got what he wants and thats all he cares about........

i say Good riddance to him...

[TibetanWhiteCrane]

Falkor is gone.... oh happy day!

[bigrogie]

Given Falkor's recent attitude and comments posted on the FLK forum towards the members of this forum and after discussing it with an administrator of the forum, the fund raising for Shaolin -vs- Lama WS which I was managing has been terminated.

ALL THE CONTRIBUTORS HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULLY REFUNDED.

[kaleyboy]

ALL THE CONTRIBUTORS HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULLY REFUNDED.
I don't think there could've been any other outcome, given Falkor's atitude. It'd be great if Toby could set up a sale with the forum himself. I'm sure bigrogie would be happy to handle the contributions, and we'd always know exactly how much had been raised.

[Markgway]

Someone said that Toby Russell uses this forum so he MUST know what is going on.

[kungfusamurai]

I wouldn't bother chasing Falkor around on other forums. It'll just annoy the people there and make them think we're all a bunch of kids. And it'll make Falkor look like some kind of martyr. Besides he doesn't need any help screwing his own reputation. The fact he insists on using the appreciation of Born Invincible as a measuring stick for true kung fu fans, and dismissing haters as 'trolls', just illustrates how deluded he has become.

In the end, Falkor has only himself to blame in all of this. And it's going to be worse for him than for us because his main motivation has always been to promote sales of his 'rares'. He can't return under an alias because we'll know it's him as soon as he starts talking about his website.

I doubt our message board is the only place where the users have grown weary of his antics. He's running out of places to peddle his wares.

Putting down the people who helped fund his purchase of Massacre Survivor was not a good move, and he will sorely regret it in the long run.

KFS

[teako170]

As Falkor seems to have abandoned this thread/ forum and Roger has returned the funds to the contributors, there seems to be no point in continuing this thread. If anyone still has interest in the S-vs-L wide project, I would suggest contacting Falkor via PM or email or maybe over at FLK. These projects seemed to have brought out some very positive and (unfortunately) some negative reactions by various parties.

The mods are not in a position to play favorites or point fingers but only to keep the peace - hence the closing of this thread. The overwhelming majority of us are here because we love this genre. I'm just thankful we have a place like Fandom (and FLK) where we can come together, even just for a few minutes of the day, and forget about the drudgery of our daily routines. There’s too much drama in the world. No need for it here. I hope we can all move forward.

Thanks.....