How they hide the wires during a fight?

[oliverMoi]

Well, I would like to know if there are any one among you have some knowledge about movie’s technique.

Did you read some books or specialised magazines about this topic?

I’m interested in the martial art flicks without using the computers for rubbing out the wires.

Thanks in advance for your answer

[limeyninja]

From what I have read, it mostly has to do with camera angles and the way it is lit.

[stuntpeople]

Usually what we do is put it up against a dark background without solid colors and let her rip. Usually it doesn't show. If it's against a solid background it's easy to mask out in editing. But it usually if you're just watching a movie and the wire pull is fast, you won't see it, especially if the wire's dark in color.

[HungKuen]

The lighting must be right too! In many movies you can see the light reflect in the wires for a second or two. That's why you must be careful with the lighting when using wires. If you are going to try it: good luck ;)


Have a nice day//TCF

[oliverMoi]

But sometimes, we can see the wires during a hand-to-hand fight, I remembered a scene during the Taichi master’s screening, when Michelle Yeoh came down from a roof to attack a Mogolian,

I could coarsely see the wires hung up on her back, do you know why sometimes , HK directors didn’t shoot again those scenes, it was so cheap on the screen

[Shanghaikid]

I could coarsely see the wires hung up on her back, do you know why sometimes , HK directors didn’t shoot again those scenes, it was so cheap on the screen

I don't know. It isn't just HK but other films I can see mistakes such as camera onscreen, actor wearing different shoes, or paint dripping off an actor who is playing a monster.

[HungKuen]

...actor wearing different shoes...


You notice such things? :lol

I'm sorry, I must be tired :p


Have a nice day//TCF

[Shanghaikid]

Hahahahah yeah I do. :D

[ricebowlcinema]

They also put smoke all over when they shot to hide the wire. Donnie Yen said they paint the wires to resemble the background.

[oliverMoi]

thanks a lot for your answers

I just want to ask a question to ricebowlcinema, where did you get this interesting information about Donnie Yuen ?

[ricebowlcinema]

Donnie Yen audio commentary on Kung Fu Master.

[oliverMoi]

Kung Fu Master, what is it ?

it's a documentary about Donnie Yuen, or it's just one of his movie.

I've never heard about that, can you give me a link please ?

Thanks

[ricebowlcinema]

Its tv series from ATV into a Tai Seng DVD.

www.donnieyen.com/filmkungfumaster.htm (http://www.donnieyen.com/filmkungfumaster.htm)

Its not te best of his commentaries but its worth listening.

I recomend the Fist of Fury DVD FROM Tai Seng with Donnie Yen. Each commentary is entertaning. The Robin Shoh one is the best.
Sorry I did have another link but my internet freezes up to much to go places.

[seafood1397]

lots of flame and or henry {discreet logic} work etc when they have the money. you would normally have to pay 700 euros / hour on the normal commercial rate.:rolleyes

[Mantis FIST]

Listen Up. With today's technology they simply remove the wires with a computer. Its that easy! So it does not matter if they film the movie with the wires showing, cause it will be removed. Kinda like when they airbrush some hotties nipples out, if she is say on a magizine cover. The Wonders of Computers.:rollin

[ricebowlcinema]

I think the question was intened for the old wuxia and kung fu films when they didnt have computer.

[Mantis FIST]

well back then they used very thin wires that did not show up in the film. Think of fishing line.

[WingChunWomble]

More often than not, the wires are simply painted out using certain editing programs such as Adobe After Effects!

[resevoir]

the most simple ways everyone has said. usually we use a black felt tip acryllic maker to blacken the wire out. as back grounds are usually dark.
also smoke is a good tool.
keeping the lights off of the wires helps, and then camera angles to hide the wires.

[resevoir]

sure you can rotoscope it out, with programs like inferno or combustion or after effects if you have a smaller set up, hell there is even a new program out specifically for romoving wires following a plane frame by frame.
but i don't think you would have the budget for those big programs, and rendering takes a while.
sure alot of films you can see a wire or two, but the director usually goes by, "they won't notice" and it's true, unless you are looking for wires or trined to see them your eyes are usually fixed on the main action. if you saw the wire, then that means that the foreground was not interesting enough.
time and budget restrictions don't allow to reshoot every shot, and remember that films like tai chi master were shot in asia during the early nineties. video playback was usually not available then, so a director wouldn't have known about a wire obviously in frame until he went to edit. and at that time taking out a wire would have been a ridiculous expense for such a trivial mistake.