Anyone like watching India Hindi Films?

[Liu chung liang]

Anyone like watching India Hindi Films?
Like Kuch Kuch Hota Hai and Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham?

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[zhunaid]

did u know bruce le appeared in 1 or 2 hindi films from the 80's
he spoke hindi as well

[kngfu]

I have both of these films. I received them in trade from an Indian friend of mine who had no kung fu to offer. What are they about for us non Bollywood people?

[Liu chung liang]

one of his movies i have which is called Return of Bruce. a part in the beginning of the movie.... we see indian people like doing a parade, and we even hear like a hindi song too haha. and bruce le was like walking/jogging by.
that's so cool that he can speak hindi.... which 2 hindi films he appeared in? can you tell me?

[Liu chung liang]

where you from kngfu? if you don't want them... i like to buy them from you haha. i'm serious. :D
ok like if you never seen any of the indian movies, well they usually do like romance and love. i don't know what's the deal with them or their culture. but everything else besides a horror indian movie. they always "sing" and "dance" all the time. no matter if it's a action flick, you still see singing and dancing. and i guarantee you, it's always about love, about couples, and boyfriend and girlfriend. i'm sure in their country they have more drama movies than action or anything else. and their action really sucks. they don't know how to fight on scene i guess. alot of their fight scenes look so amateur. you can tell they don't know any type of kung fu or martial art skills. some of the action they do now.... they try the whole matrix thing with the camera, and it doesn't look too bad. but it's still bad to me. i guess they are just good at telling a story, making a musical, dealing with family issues, singing, and dancing of course.

i'm actually a bollywood fan, but i haven't been watching any indian movies though :lol

what you got is the 2 best hindi movies dude. it might not be new anymore but it's a classic. like if you asked me that you want to see a indian movie. i would recommend these 2 films.

Kuch Kuch Hota Hai is about a Love Triangle, and first love. the other one is about Family, marrying someone poor, and family issues. these two films are great, and it's by the same director Karan Johar.

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[jirpy100]

SOMEONE (hint at bottom) once posted this somewhere:




My Indian film list(LONG)
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Ask and ye shall receive!These are not just action films, I’ve tried to put something on here for everyone. I hope this helps. I just give you an idea on these, as I can’t write a full review for them all. First off a few things to know:

1. Nearly every film has at least three musical numbers, no matter what genre it is. Most of the older films (Black and White) were made before this was in vogue, but anything since the 60s has them. This can make for some VERY strange movies.

2. The covers of the DVDs mean nothing! Even action films are sold as romances in India, so rarely judge a book by the cover.

3. There’s not always one release of a film. In fact, most DVD releases are have more than one version and no place carries the more than one edition, at least rarely. If you can find them, Dei releases are the best for Indian films. Great example, the easily found version of 100 Days has no subtitles, but the version on India Weekly is by a different company and has English subs! So you may have to hunt.

4. The cheapest place to get them is from www.Indiaweekly.com. They are in some cases up to $10 cheaper than any other place on the net. Eros has the most films on DVD and they have a nice site at www.erosentertainment.com/indexeros.cfm. The DVDs are of varying quality, though nearly all are letterboxed.

5. Few films are shorter than 2 hours and most are in the nearly 3 hours range. This is because of the dance numbers and because Indians like character driven stories. This is not as bad as it may seem.

6. Even cheap films look amazing. India has the greatest cinematographers in the world and you’ll see what I mean when you see some stuff.

7. Anything made in the 80s will be a little dated.

8. EVERY film has at least one woman who you will fall madly in love with!

Ones to buy if you’re just getting started

Action:
Farz
Mission Kashmir-The best action film for first time Indian viewing.
Abhay
DON-For those that like Italian crime films like me.

Horror: The Ramsey stuff from the 70's is worth tracking down, but impossible to find on DVD easily. One problem is most Indian horror films are just not well made.

AKS- A spiritual possession film that is VERY well directed.
THE EYES-a bit more exploitive.
100 Days-This is okay, but it does drag a bit. It's of interest to Fulci fans.

BTW, Agneepath, the Indian remake of Scarface is a LOT of fun too!


Now the films

Action/crime films

Parinda- A great heroic bloodshed type film by the director of Mission Kashmir. Excellet Heroic Bloodshed style gangster film.

Vaastav(the Reality)-Tough as nails story of a crime kingpin making his way from rags to riches and back down again. Award winning stuff from Sanjay Dutt as the boss. The finale is pretty shocking stuff!

Indian- A film starring Sunny Deol, the greatest action star in India, This is part of the good cops vs. terrorist genre that’s popular in India. This has a kick ass fight scene where Sunny takes on over 20 guys at once!! Anything with Sunny has a Rambo sort of feel to it and this is no different.

Farz- CRAZY violent cop film starring Sunny Deol and the most INSANE explosions you’ll ever see! If you must see one Deol film, make it this!

For more Sunny Deol:
Ziddi
Ghatak
Arjun Pandit-He plays a gun toting priest who kills for money!
Jeet- romance/action film with lots of violence that is kinda hard to find too.
Darr (Fear)- a psychological stalker thriller starring Sunny. Great acting, women, and fights.
Ghayal- A violent revenge drama in the vein of Ghatak.

Asoka-The latest EPIC film. If you like period epics ala Ben Hur, this is it. With dance numbers of course!

Mission Kashmir- Columbia was so impressed with this that it’s out on DVD in the U.S. Maybe the best Indian film I’ve ever seen, with a great story dealing with a terrorist out to destroy India, and equally great proformances. If you want to check out one Indian film, this is it!

Khiladiyon ka Khiladi- Lots of 80’s action(a little dated) and WWF’s The Undertaker(and it has subs!!!)

Sholay-A great movie that is one of the all time classic films in ANY country. Imagine Once Upon a Time in the West Indian style and this is that. The ending is an all time fave. The Eros DVD is the director’s cut version.

International Khiladi- A fun Gangster film with HK style action(also has subs!!!).

Abhay- Imagine a mix of Silence of the Lambs meets a wild action flick B-movie where the killer imagines all the killings (some fights) in insane Roger Rabbit style animation! And has without a doubt one of the most amazing chase scenes in film history!!

Don-Absolutely awesome film that is like an Italian crime film, meets a sixty’s spy film, meets India!! Great Fun!!!

Company- Directed by Ram Gopal Verma, who made Satya, Kaun and some earlier horror flicks. This is the ultimate Bolly gangster film by way of Wong Kar Wai. Anyone who likes Ringo Lam or Scorsese, will LOVE this guy's stuff!!. Must see.

16th December-This is an Indian version of a James Bond film complete with gadgets, cars, etc. This has a slick look like an American thriller and is lots o' fun.

Shaun-CRAZY re-teaming of the actors from the Indian classic Deewar for a James Bondian disco heist picture! Just imagine Don in Disco era and you get the idea. All I'll say, is a legless man on a cart doing a song and dance number on the back of a cart while rolling around town holding onto cars! And a classic Bollywood ala Blofield villian that lives in a mountain fortress with killer crocs. Fun stuff, but not for everyone!

Khauff- India, John Woo style!

Satya- Ringo Lam style crime thriller. Considered the best pure crime film ever made in India. AMAZING movie!

Devi- Snake goddess vs. Serpent monster extravaganza that also has a love story. Goofy, but lots of fun!! Reminds me a bit of a Godzilla picture.

Border-Epic war movie with an all star cast, including Sunny Deol.

C.I.D.(Vinod Khanna) 1980-a knockdown, drag out Indian version of Italian Crime films. GREAT flick!!

Barood- If you’re looking for martial arts style action, anything with Akshay Kumar is good. Rumor has it, he will be in the New Armor of God film! This film is Akshay’s attempt to out do Jackie Chan. There's some great stunts in this!! This has car stunts, musical numbers (including a fat guy doing MC HAMMER!!) and kung fu. The ending is a remake of the ending of Drunken Master 2 mixed with Police Story 2!!! The dance scenes are INCREDIBLY FUNNY.


Horror/Thriller films

GUMNAAM- a mid-sixties mystery thriller that resembles an old Mario Bava film with wild musical numbers. The opening musical number was featured in Ghost World.

100 Days- Bollywood remake of Fulchi’s The Psychic. Nuff said! The dvd does have subs BTW!

AKS- AWESOME, supernatural possession thriller that looks amazing and it unusual for an Indian film.

THE EYES- A loony haunted house film, with just a dose of an Asian horror feel to it.

Dil Se-a romance/thriller about a man who becomes a little TOO infatuated with the girl of his dreams. One of the most popular Indian films in the U.S.

Bhoot Bangla-1960-an old style gothic horror film, castle and all.

Bees Saal Baad-1950- Black and White horror film with no songs. This is a classic horror film about what you can't see, like in the old Val Lewton films.

Dhund-1970s- A man wrecks his car near an old house where he finds a dead man and his supposed killer or does he? A straight out suspense film. This and Ittefaq are out in nice Special Editions and are short, about 105 mins each.

Ittefaq(Rajesh Khanna)-1970s-A murderer escapes from a mental asylum only to become involved in a murder with someone that maybe crazier than he is.

Kaun-1999-A kid is stuck at home waiting for her mom and lets in a man thinking he's a friend of her mom's and soon discovers he may be a serial killer. When a police officer shows up to arrest the man everythings alright, right. Wrong!! The DVD has no subs!


Remakes

Aatish- A remake of A Better Tomorrow! With Dancing! If you liked the original, you'll like this.

Agneepath-The Indian remake of Scarface!

BICCHOO-A Remake of Leon and Miltilda is a hot chick!!!

Awaara Paagal Deewana- This Indian film with HK fights directed by Phillip Ko just came out. This a remake of the Bruce Willis film "The Whole Nine Yards", but with HK-style action and a direct rip of the office battle from the Matix.

Jung-Great action thriller starring Sanjay Dutt that is a remake of Desperate Measures starring Andy Garcia and Micheal Keaton(as an insane criminal). Make sure to get the Sanjay Dutt / Jackie Shroff version, there's an older movie with the same title.


WHEW! That's it!
Gung Fu Din Ying Sun

[Kwok Choi]

Well Indian films are my real forte I am more aufait with this type of cinema than kung fu films so the question is where do you wanna start and were would you like to end? Any questions you have about this genre,just shoot....................

[Kwok Choi]

Oh Zhunaid, Bruce Le's "Hindi" was dubbed in Kaatilon Ke Kaatil.I don't recall the other film he appeared in but it was Ti Lee an obscure Bruce Lee clone who appeared in Morcha India's tribute to Bruce Lee.

[kngfu]

For Liu CHung Liang : I live in the Philadelphia area USA.

[Liu chung liang]

hey kngfu, sup. ok cool cool. so you wanna trade for it or you want me to buy?

[zhunaid]

bruce le appeared in a movie with rishi kapoor and tina munim

[Liu chung liang]

thats awesome haha... yeah? i know who rishi kapoor is.
what's the movie call? ahhhh i would like to see what the movie about. :lol does bruce le sing a hindi song? :rollin

[Knockabout]

The only indian movie I've seen is Asif Kapadia's "The Warrior".
I liked the movie alot, although I was hoping for more action. It was a good story and very beautifully shot, I thought it was very similar to the old japanese chanbara films.
Unfortunately it only had a running time of approximately 1 hour and 15 minutes (but with 30 min of deleted scenes as a bonus feature). AND to my surprise it didn't have any musical interludes:D

I would like to see what Indian movies have to offer.. I'm a fan of old school kung fu, can anyone recommend some Indian movies for me in this sort of genre? Possibly a trade!

[Kwok Choi]

Indian movies in general have a hell of a lot to offer in roughly 10 main regional languages covering all the genres of film-making;Bollywood or non-Bollywood.
Although India has it's own original martial arts called Kalarippayat I actually haven't seen any of their films exclusively portraying the fight scenes with this art form.
However there were a couple of mid 70s to mid 80s Hindi and south Indian films that had karate,or particular characters using Chinese Martial Arts.Also most of the heroes had to learn how to fight well incorporating general martial art moves so it is a bit difficult to pinpoint a particular film to whet your appetite if you are used to Hong Kong martial art movies.Anyway I'll list a few films and actors whose fights might help you watch more of the action Indian films.

Rani Aur Jaani (Rani And Jaani) starring Aruna Irani and south bombshell Jyoti Laksmi as the two sisters of the title with Anil Dhawan as the detective hero.This was made when " everybody was kung fu fighting in the early 70s " and India of course had to do it's bit.The 2 sisters trained as kids in some open hand combat that resembles karate though not quite then they got separated.As adults this bacame their main way of fighting and when they eventually clashed their similar fighting technique made them realise they were related.

Taxi Chor (Taxi Thief) starring Mithun Chakraborty.Mithun was actually touted as India's Bruce Lee in the early 80's.He did not impersonate The Little Dragon per se but he used Bruces' "stances" and bit of Jeet kwon do in Taxi Chor;his footwork is abysmal but upper body ok.
Watch Mithun's early 80's stuff like Main Aur Mera Haathi (Me And My Elephant) and Surakhsha (Protector) for this kind of stuff.

Karate starring Mithun Chakraborty,Mazhar Khan and Deb Mukerjee;written,produced and directed by Deb Mukerjee.Well the name says it all but I really don't like this film.

Andha Kanoon (Blind Law) starring Rajnikant.I love this guy.Not really a martial artist but this guy makes fighting on scree,Indian style, look good.Search for all his action films but start with Andha Kanoon.If this doesn't convert you nothing will albeit made in the early 80s.

Saughand (don't know the meaning of this one:sorry) one of the first films starring Akshay Kumar who actually was a karate student in Thailand and graduated with a black belt.He has since studied and practiced other forms of martial arts.Saughand is the first Indian film to show training HongKong style ala Drunken Master etc.Akshay is the Chen Kuan Tai of Bollywood.Recommended viewing
Main Khiladi Tu Anari (I'm smart you are dumb - a remake of The Hard Way)
Khiladiyon Ka Khiladi (The smartest of the smart)

Jigar (don't know the meaning of this one either)
starring all rounder Ajay Devgan son of the renowned fight instructor Veeru Devgan.Jigar is a combination of Bloodsport and Kickboxer but the Van Damme movies are better.

Fiza (Fizz) starring Hrithik Roshan who could easily pass as the son of Rambo.Good overall performer and see his training sequence in Fiza - wicked stuff.

Veeru Ustad (Boss Veeru) late 70s movie starring Kiran Kumar and who is the other guy Jogindar? This is India's tribute to Enter The Dragon.You should see the original poster!!!.

Morcha (forgotten the meaning of this) starring Aruna Irani,Ti Lee and that boy; (the main lead whose name I can't remember) a tribute to kung fu movies and Bruce Lee.

My favourite Indian martial artist of the 70s to late 80s was Manek Irani.He was a stuntman whose kung fu became noticeable,so he was given bit parts which he excelled at then he advanced to supervillain and fight choreographer.Search for all his earlier stuff especially Vishwanath starring Shatrughan Sinha.Unfortunately he just dissappeared it was rumoured that he died on a complicated stunt but I never saw any press or media coverage of this incident.I really miss this guy:(

(Ps: Zhunaid the Tina Munim,Rishi Kapoor,Dhamendra,Zeenat Aman,Bruce Le starrer is Kaatilon Ke Kaatil (The Killer Of Killers) Knockabout,The Warrior is non-Bollywood (I have met and chatted with Asif) and there are many more where that came from so if you are interested in this type of cinema I can recommend some titles)

[Kwok Choi]

I forgot Awaara Pagal Deewana (Crazy Crazy Crazy - in a lovable way) the title refers to the three heroes in three different ways of saying " Crazy " - strange for a remake of The Whole Nine Yards - starring Akshay Kumar,Sunil Shetty and Aftab Shivdasani.This is the only northern Bollywood film to date depicting new wave wire-fu Hong kong and "Matrix" style.Unfortunately only the first major fight made good use of this craze.Anyway it is worth checking out to see more of Akshay Kumar.
Tamil South Indian cinema is also huge on the action front so don't hesitate to experiment with some of these films.If you come across Thirumalai,give it a go.

[wizard12220]

I think I saw the Bruce Le movie when I was a kid, but didn't remember the story at all.

My favorite Hindi movie is Sholay.
I also remember Ram Balram, Mein Aur Mera Hath, Bobby, Burning Train.

I saw a lot of Hindi moviesl when I was a kid. But in the past 10 years I've only seen 2 hindi movies, Kuch Kuch Hotta Hai (the song was nice) and Lagaan (nominated for Oscar's best foreign language movie)

[Knockabout]

Thank you very much Kwok Choi, I really appreciate your thorough reply.. This has given me quite an appetite for hindi films now 8)
Do the movies you mention have english subs BTW?

If it's not too much trouble, it'd be greatly appreciated if you could recommend me some of the non-bollywood (but still indian) films similar to "The Warrior" also..

Would you by any chance be interested in doing a trade (before spending a lot of money on new DVDs, it's always nice to get an idea of what you're getting first). If you're not into trading perhaps can you recommend me a good place for buying these films?
(My email: wc.michael@gmail.com)

Many thanks:D

[zhunaid]

will get teh name of the movie.i remember him being a thief in the movie and walking around with a monkey all the time.

[Kwok Choi]

Hi Michael,
Non- Bollywood films similar to The Warrior are:
The Deceivers; a Merchant Ivory production starring Pierce Brosnan,Sayeed Jaffery,Shashi Kapoor etc.I like this one.You can get it on dvd.Shot in English and Hindi so the subtitle issue should not arise.
Bandit Queen;based on the true story of the notorious Pholan Devi who become a huge bone in the throat of the Indian Authorities.You should not have problems with the subs on this as well.Easily available on dvd.
The Terrorist:The name says it all starring Ayesha Dharker.Subs should not be a problem either.

Art House Bollywood:
Junoon (Obsession);Starring Shashi Kapoor,Naseerudeen Shah,Jeniffer Kendal and Nafisa Ali.
Not to be confused with another movie of the same title starring Rahul Roy.This should be available on dvd at Eros Entertainment online but more about Eros later.
Godmother;starring Shabana Azmi,Nirmal Pandey,Milind Gunaji.I think there are both English and Hindi versions of this

Pure Bollywood:
Asoka (Ashoka The Great); starring Shahrukh Khan,Danny Denzongpa,Kareena Kapoor.This is very popular and easy to obtain.Subs on disc should not be a problem.
For more Kung Fu check:
Yudh (War) starring Anil Kapoor,Jackie Shroff,Hema Malini,Danny Denzongpa.Enjoy Danny's " Tiger Claws " in the endfight.
Commando:-the remake of American Ninja with songs minus Ninjas:lol starring Mithun Chakraborty,Hemant Birje

Well I am neither a collector nor trader.I am a cineaste.I've seen 95% of all movies in theatres and will continue to do so till digital projection takes over then I'll just get a video projector and convert the garage or a room into a small cinema.
Most of these movies are available online in various formats or if you live in a village,town or city that has an Indian community chances are that they'll be able to help.In cities many high street music stores have a Bollywood and World Cinema section where you can pick up some of these titles as well although it is very hard to get some 70s and 80s titles.The most popular films have been remastered and re-released on dvd eg Yudh so subs,picture and sound quality should be acceptable.
Eros Entertainment has most of the films online serving probably 8 different countries but boy o boy Eros UK's customer service is so bad its good.I can go on all night about this so just avoid the UK branch.For general brousing click on the link below:
www.erosentertainment.com...ex800.asp. (http://www.erosentertainment.com/NewHomepage/index800.asp.)
does Bruce Le sing a Hindi song
Not really Liu Chung Liang,he just played a baddie without the embarassment of a song and dance routine but click on the link below and scroll down to album #7 which is the movie Morcha to get the feel of a Bollywood Kung Fu film song.You can either click on the album cover or the name of the song in the review to listen;enjoy:lol
www.soulstrut.com/feature...4/odub.php (http://www.soulstrut.com/features/ish/204/odub.php)

[Kwok Choi]

Damn Eros!!! ok lets try this one:

www.erosentertainment.com.../libBS.asp (http://www.erosentertainment.com/eros_us/library/libBS.asp)

This is the American site.If the link works you can click on the home page for the other country sites

[Yakuza954]

I'm seen some Indian films but not many: Devdas, Lagaan, Salaam Bombay, Kama Sutra, Company and Taal. I thought they were all pretty good and I was going to watch Sholay one day but found out my print wasn't subbed. That sorta turned me off and haven't seen any since. I will make it my duty to eventually see Satyajit Ray's films one day.

[Knockabout]

Thanks again Kwok Choi, very usefull information once again 8o
But can you help me one more time!?! I wanted to buy Yudh on DVD so I used your link to Eros Ent., but their information is a bit confusing I think. Is this DVD with or without english subtitles?
www.erosentertainment.com/eros_us/Product/ProdListIn.asp?628 (http://www.erosentertainment.com/eros_us/Product/ProdListIn.asp?628)

Thanks

[Kwok Choi]

You see what I mean about Eros!!!!!!!>:
The personnel operating the UK site needs the boot.Anyway click the link below as someone with some sense has done a brief review of the Yudh dvd and also posted some screen caps.You will think Eros UK should be certain about that information because it is an Eros release.
www.zulm.net/modules.php?...e=&order=0 (http://www.zulm.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=42&mode=&order=0)

[Liu chung liang]

wow kwok, you're really into these films huh? lol.
i'm looking for a old title, it's called Jawani. ever seen it?
that girl neelam is it it.

the bruce lee india song thing... omg i can't believe they did that. it's so lame. i don't wanna listen to it again. even bruce lee would be embarrass.

[Kwok Choi]

# Allah gullah murta hai jawaani;jawaani #
# Khel ka nasha hai jawaani;jawaani #
# Oh gin piye #
# Oh gin piye #
( "e" = pronounced "ay")

This is the first verse of the first song in the 1985/86 movie Jawaani (Youth,young people,adolescence) Starring Karan Shah,Neelam (debut),Navin Nischol,Anupam Kher,Sharmila Tagore (renowned actor Saif Ali Khan's mum) and above all Sadashiv Amrapukar as Uncle Joe.
This actually flopped in India but it did superfantastic business in West Africa.Karan and Neelam became household names and Sadashiv was christened Uncle Joe.
The movie really appealed to the African youth so
I wasn't surprised at it's success.At the time it had everything appealing to young people,good story,excellent music by R D Burman and a very slick 80s wardrobe.
Don't laugh but I actually copied Karan's attire in the last bit of the movie in the scene where Neelam accidentally discovered that Karan is a diamond smuggler;that cool black and faded green top ardoned with metal studs plus the black trousers.Everywhere I went people shouted JAWAANI JAWAANI;I became a hero anytime I had this on.Of course I enjoyed the glory what do you mean?
Anyway I know this film like the back of my hand.It was produced by Rose Movies who made Yeh Vaada Raha,Kasme Vaade,Pukar (with Amitabh not the Anil Kapoor one) and I think Jawaani Diwaani with Jayaji (Amitabhs's wife) and Randhir Kapoor (famous Karisma and Kareena Kapoor's dad)
The print was 35mm with 7 (2000ft) reels.4:3 original ratio with mono sound.It was not too long either running approx 2hrs 20 mins but I honestly think this movie will be dated now.

Yes I was addicted to a lot of this stuff because the movies they were making in those days had high social and moral values so they kinda put things in perspective in my youth when the going was really tough.

[Liu chung liang]

um ok..... i said im looking for the film lol. do you know where i can get a copy of it? on vhs or dvd?

[Kwok Choi]

Liu Chung Liang I think Jawaani is hard to get hold of on dvd or vhs but see the previous posts maybe some info or suggestions might help.

[Liu chung liang]

anyone ever order dvds from this site www.allzonedvd.com/ (http://www.allzonedvd.com/) because i don't know if i can trust them. i ordered a dvd from another site and got a bootleg dvd copy. the movie cover was scanned i could tell, and the disc was custom made.

i want this title, but the original:

http://www.bollywooddvds.com/images/products/movies/images/MV-01524.jpg

[Linn1]

sorry to see I missed the talk, but I've been here in spirit at least, thanks J. :) Here's a link to one of the earliest forum posts on the web about these films and I'm happy to say I started it! I would VERY much check out the sites linked there for your dvds. EXCELLENT prices and all legit.

p211.ezboard.com/fthedigi...=242.topic (http://p211.ezboard.com/fthedigitalterrorforumfrm14.showMessage?topicID=24 2.topic)

[Liu chung liang]

The www.zulm.net, is this the only best post board for Hindi films? Not a lot of people are replying me there. Is there any other sites? :\

[Kwok Choi]

Yes zulm is the best i think but unfortunately and to my surprise the forum members (should be given credit for dedication) are not too familiar with pre 1995 movies so that's why you aren't getting much luck with replies.
Kishen Kanhaiya is a good movie but if you can't get it buy Seeta Aur Geeta or Chaalbaaz instead.Seeta Aur Geeta is the original story Chaalbaaz and Kishen Kan...are remakes which just tells your how good the original was.The success of Seeta.....gave the producers the finance to make the greatest evergeen Indian movie of all time (Sholay of course) which is now also being remade (shooting is in progress) by Ram Gopal Verma's production company Film Factory;hopefully this " New Sholay " will be released later this year or sometime next year.
By the way beware of many Bollywood sites selling dvds.If you have doubts try Amazon.com.Eros Entertainment has a lot of legitimate titles with right ownership.They have tried to clean up their act lately (maybe word got around ) but customer relationship is still 50-50 in my opinion and their dvd authoring is hit and miss.

[Liu chung liang]

Wow awesome, i didn't know about that. I like Kishen Kanhaiya, because the movie is just a classic. Anil Kapoor did a fantastic job. All the music and songs are just too good, and it helps the film a lot as well.
In those films you mentioned, do they use the same songs and music from KK? Maybe not huh?

[Kwok Choi]

Hi Liu Chung Liang,good to see that you are really getting into these movies.No the same songs and music is not used in the movies I mentioned. If you enjoyed this aspect of Kishen Kanhaiya wait till you see Seeta Aur Geeta.This is one of the best compositions of the late super music maestro R D Burman.Really catchy tunes well suitable to the story and way way ahead of its time.Chaalbaaz music is so so but with a more modern take overall on the Seeta...story.

[Liu chung liang]

good to see that you are really getting into these movies.

I'm not new to them. I've watched a lot when I was a kid with my family, including the KF oldiez.

Look at this remix video I did of Kuch Kuch Hota Hai and Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham. I was choppin' to the bit to get it perfect. It came out alright, but I really wanted it to blow everyone away.

Kuch Kuch Hota Hai & Suraj Hua Maddham
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiWSPvuu3V0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiWSPvuu3V0)

Remember when I asked you about Jawani? The reason why I want to buy Jawani on DVD, is that because it was the very first Hindi film I saw when I was 5 I believe. Now and days, it's so rare, and hard to find. Long ago it was nothing, and now it's a rare jewel.

Dude the songs and music in Kishen Kanhaiya is too good!..... You got a audio track from Seeta Aur Geeta? I do have KK on VHS, but it's very poor. That's why I kinda want the DVD.

Finally a person saw my post on Zulm.net and reply me, but she claims not to be a member of the forum. So should I trust her? I've been ripped off before on other hindi sites, so I'm very careful now with indians lol.

[Tosh]

I'm actually looking forward to seeing a few of these movies (I don't believe I've ever saw one), my friend is from India, she has a few of these movies, I just started looking into the Indian culture a little more, I've always loved Asian culture/movies, so it would be interesting watching something different, though my first love will always be KF/Samurai films, I like to keep an open mind, as I do love the music from India.

[moviegyrl]

My only exposure to Hindi films includes MONSOON WEDDING and an American piece, MISSISSIPPI MASALA (cast: Denzel Washington). As well, the TV-Ontario documentary, BOLLYWOOD BOUND, is informative.

Can you recommend any dramas or comedies?

[Liu chung liang]

in a regular hindi film.... it's usually packed with everything. they want you to have the experience of a life-time. they want to take you for a ride is what its all about. you have your drama, family, love story, action, comedy, singing, dancing, music, ....it's like everything in 1 movie. like the thing you might see in the beginning is a lot of action... then suddenly they go into something else, like singing... and it's like a music video. all of the hindi films are mostly dramas... you'll get that definitely and sprinkles of comedy. there is always a leading man and a leading lady.
i've never seen one hindi film thats all comedy... they alwayz mix everything into a 3 hour 1 movie. oh yeah, another thing is that.... hindi films are long as hell. its like watching star wars or lord of the rings lol. in the middle of all the movies... they always go into a intermission haha. very true lol. i'm sure it's like that in the indian theaters as well.... so you can go get your snacks lol.

i recommend:

kuch kuch hota hai
kabhi khushi kabhie gham
mujhse dosti karoge
kal ho naa ho
main hoon na

these are all modern. hopefully you'll enjoy them.

[Kwok Choi]

Hehehe:D Liu Chung Liang you have just revealed that you like Yash Chopra/Yash Raj and Karan Johar/Dharma Production movies.Not bad;not bad at all:D

[Liu chung liang]

I think their work are classics. Did you watch the video I remixed? I hope you check it out, because I worked really hard on it. I can still see some flaws, and I'll fix it when I get a better program lol.

Have you seen the new Fanaa? They were some money problems. www.ndtvmovies.com/newstory.asp?section=Movies&id=4736 (http://www.ndtvmovies.com/newstory.asp?section=Movies&id=4736)

Fanaa stars Amir Khan from films like Tum Mere Ho and Dil with the lovely beautiful leading crazy lady Kajol.

http://media.movietalkies.com/wallpapers/bollywood/movies/2006/fanaa/fanaa-2006-1b.jpg

http://media.movietalkies.com/wallpapers/bollywood/movies/2006/fanaa/fanaa-2006-11b.jpg

http://media.movietalkies.com/wallpapers/bollywood/movies/2006/fanaa/fanaa-2006-14b.jpg

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http://media.movietalkies.com/wallpapers/bollywood/movies/2006/fanaa/fanaa-2006-19b.jpg

I haven't seen Fanaa yet, but I was watching a music video scene from the film, and it looks pretty good. :D The song is called "Chand Sifarish" and I'm like getting addicted to it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbSyW7ln-6c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbSyW7ln-6c)
As I kept watching it over and over again... I notice something. That Kajol isn't looking at anyone or Amir. She's such a good actress, and her expressions are one of a kind. So then I started thinking hmmmm.... if I didn't know any better, I think she is playing a blind lady. I got really curious and went to check the story/plot on imdb.com :lol ... and I was right. She plays Zooni Ali Beg, who is a blind woman.
The story is very interesting and all the songs rock, so I'll probably get it soon on DVD.

[D1 Ma]

I don't watch indian movies in general and don't know anything about modern Bollywood films, but almost accidently I watched their latest hit(?) Don and I found it to be very entertaining, fun and cool. At times it even had some kind of HK-ish feel to it.
Also, a former Miss World plays a part in it, and watching her onscreen is a treat in its own right
(Obviously, I haven't seen the original, so I can't compare and complain, like others do.)

[HAZ]

This is a cool thread! I just saw Sholay & it was amazing. Great acting. Had an Ital-Western vibe. Funny in parts, dramatic in others. The train robbery scene at the beginning had some drama to it. The songs were even great, but I'm partial to Indian music & RD Burman.

[Alex]

jirpy100, can you tell me more about this: Arjun Pandit-He plays a gun toting priest who kills for money!

love the description, sound right up my alley

the only bollywood movies i've ever seen were the original Don and the recent remake, both of which are awesome

[AlbertV]

I have some Bollywood films that I taped when they played them Saturday mornings when I lived in Pennsylvania. I also won a free DVD by entering the contests at
http://www.avstv.com

I won the DVD of Rang De Basanti, a really good film about a young British woman who heads to India to shoot a biopic of a revolution attack in the 40's, something her grandfather was involved in and she meets a group of modern day youths who love to have fun. It's really a good film about mixing traditional Indian values with the modernization of youths. Aamir Khan stars in the film.

I've seen these movies:
Asambhav - kind of like a James Bond-type film with Arjun Rampal as a Indian Special Forces agent sent undercover as a photojournalist in Switzerland as he must rescue the President of India from a terrorist organization.

Elaan - a feared terrorist finds a major obstacle when a group consisting of a cop, an ex-con, a man seeking revenge for his father being threatened, and two women plan to stop the terrorist's reign of crime once and for all. Arjun Rampal, John Abraham, and Amisha Patel star.

Krrish - http://www.kungfucinema.com/?p=1575 (My review)

Main Khiladi Tu Anari - http://kungfucinema.com/?p=2454 (My review)

Ishq Vishk - A college comedy with a love triangle existing between a young man, his best friend who is in love with him and the new popular girl at school. Shahid Kapoor stars.

Kucch Meetha Ho Jaye - As a group of passengers wait for their plane to get fixed, chaos ensues at the airport...many relationships, comedic situations, and the appearance of a mystery man. Arshad Warsi and Shahrukh Khan star.

I saw the remake of Don and Shahrukh Khan is awesome in it! I want to see the original movie.

So, occasionally, I do need a major Bollywood fix :)

[Tosh]

The Indian restaurant I go to play the singing/dance scenes from all the movies, sometimes they go back to the older ones, it's pretty interesting. I'm in love with the actress named Bipasha Basu, she's beautiful!

[HAZ]

Zanjeer is a pretty good movie! What are some other good Bachchan films?

[HyperDrive]

Some other good Amitabh Bachchan movies include Deewar, Sholay, Agneepath, Don, Mard, and Silsila.

The only Bollywood movies I have are Dhoom and Ek Se Badhkar Ek. I also found a clip of Bruce Le in Katilon Ke Kaatil. He comes in around 1:53.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnKRFHHnsDA

[Kwok Choi]

Welcome to the magical world of Indian Cinema unique like no other.I started watching Indian Movies around 1970 - 71 when some releases from the 60's were still doing the rounds.I've seen many many stars/actors come and go and I still try to keep up to date with current releases.
I saw the very 1st screening of Sholay in 1975 at the Hollywood theatre in Koidu town Kono district Sierra Leone (the main area of conflict in the movie Blood Diamonds).I was a flyer boy so we helped with the publicity distributing the Sholay flyers.Our reward was free entrance to the first show (front hall).What unfolded unbelievably made history worldwide.This was also my first experience of studying a movie's growth from its first screening to it`s stupendous phenomenal super-duper success.We hadn't seen anything like it from India before and up till 1996 no Indian film ever had been as successful as Sholay.
Between 1975 - 80 it was re - released periodically and each time it was a different cut with more additional footage.The first cut 3hrs long approx (is my favourite cut) and the final cut a little over 3hrs 30mins (is my least favourite cut).During the second release of Sholay,it disrupted a religiously observed Sunday football match schedule because the start time of the match coincided with a matinee show of Sholay.Up till 1991,if there was one movie anyone in the entire country capable of going to the cinema had seen,it was Sholay.
Amitabh catapulted to demi-god status after the stupendous success of this film and the formidable man,now a grandpa,is still unstoppable.
The original Don 1976-77? has the edge over the new Don.The new Don is cleverly made by young talent but the old Don is a classic - one of Amitabh's finest moments.
Great Amitabh Bachchan performances:
Sholay (Flames)
Do Anjaane (Two Unknowns)
Kabhi Kabhie (Sometimes...)
Amar Akbar Anthony (Amar Akbar and Anthony)
Kasme Vaade (Oaths and Promises)
Lawaaris (vagabond)
Trishul (Trinity/Trident)
Deewar - old (The wall)
Don
Muqaddar Ka Sikandar (The King Of Destiny)
Kaalia
Andhaa Kanoon (Blind Law)
Coolie (Potter)
Do Aur Do Paanch (2 + 2 = 5) Comedy
Mard (Real Man)
Main Azaad Hoon (I am free/I am Azaad indeed)
Agneepath (The path of fire)
Sooryavansham (The Sun Dynasty)
Mohabbatein (Love affairs/love issues/love stories)
Ek Rishtaa (A relationship)
Kabhie Kushi Kabhie Gham (Sometimes there's happiness,sometimes sorrow)
Baghban (caretaker)
Khakee (Khaki)
Black
Bunty Aur Babli (Bunty and Babli)
Ek Ajnabee (A stranger) Remake of Denzel's Man On Fire
Sarkar (Boss) Remake of The Godfather.

[Kwok Choi]

.........oh! I forgot another classic Aakhree Raasta (The only way).Amitabh plays a double role in this one.He plays an honest innocent man up against a nasty corrupt politician and he also plays the role of the estranged son (his son) who is a fearless police inspector protecting the politician from any harm.Rough justice versus the judiciary.
My favourite scene is when Amitabh the fugitive dad meets Amitabh the cop in a cemetery.The dad showed the son his (the dad's) palm with the number 6 written on it.The dad then asks the son:
Do you know what number this is?
The angry son didn't answer:
The father then said:
From my perspective its a 6 and from yours its a 9.You (son) do what you can to stop me from getting justice and I will do all I can to get justice; hadn't it been for the memory of your deceased mum lying in this cemetery,you would have been a gonner;and the next time we meet I hope your mum doesn't get in the way.

[jiujitsu77]

from what i hear is that the recent remake of sholay is a complete disaster

[Kwok Choi]

Yeah jiujitsu77 "disaster" is a kind word.I can't find a word to discribe the remake.Sholay was a one off phenomenon.I'll say it was a kind of fluke because even the people who made this film could never out do it or make anything as good never again.Try as they might they didn't even come close.Eventually they had to give up making movies.Sholay was the cream so how can it be remade?
Its funny because this is the first time I heard of fans rallying - I think there was even a political debate - for the classic film not to be remade and that if its ever done no one would go to the cinemas to see the remake.There will be a boycott and that's exactly what happened (I honestly think it was a very stupid idea to remake Sholay).See the impact this has movie made over the decades!
Imagine James Cameron announcing a remake of Once Upon A Time In The West!!!!!!!!!:(

[jiujitsu77]

man the original sholay was one of the BEST films i ever saw. i can't imagine what they did to destroy it. im not even a real fan of the musical numbers (that is not to say that i don't enjoy the movies themselves), but sholay's music is so catchy that i even found the soundtrack and it is in constant rotation.

there was a horror film that came out in 85 called pirana mandir (forgive the spelling). they had a great parody of sholay as a subplot. very funny.

kwok choi...i can honestly say that was a great story about you were able to see sholay. sadly, films today do not have that kind of impact.

88 antop hill was great as well

didn't the ramsey's put out a film called the fog some time ago? i swear we had it at my store but i cant find it. anyone know if it was any good?

[HyperDrive]

As good as Sholay is, I wonder why it was never properly released/distributed here in the US.

[Kwok Choi]

Hyperdrive film distribution and exhibition in the West is very complicating.I can get into a lot of details about this but suffice to say it needed a distribution company that understood how to push and market Indian films in the West.It is still an issue today let alone 1975.There is also a hell of a lot of industry politics involved that you'll never believe which is very vicious almost cutthroat.
Luckily Sholay triumphed without much support from the West.By the way;of the various cuts,there are two different endings.The one where Gabbar Singh survives gives Sholay more impact on the audience than the alternative end so this is the version to watch.Also the version that omits most of Radha's flashback scenes is the one to go for.It is very difficult to get the 3 hr cut today which was the best but if anyone has the all the various versions on divd I can offer to edit and cut it according to the first release print.I know this film frame by frame.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sholay

[HyperDrive]

So once again, industry bureaucracy was like the great wall.

Anyways, here's a nice collection of old Bollywood posters.

http://www.thehotspotonline.com/eyecandy/index.htm

[AlbertV]

I'm bringing this back on topic...I saw the 2009 Bollywood film 3 Idiots last night and it was a nice mix of college comedy with some dramatic scenes, one involving a suicide, an attempted suicide, and a birth. Aamir Khan, Madhavan, and Sharman Joshi (I call him the Hindi Horshack because of his resemblance of the Welcome Back Kotter character) were great as the titular roles and Kareena Kapoor was great as Khan's potential love interest, the daughter of their spiteful and well-hated school director.

Only 2 big musical numbers, but get into it and the near 3-hour running time goes by quick.

And if anyone liked the Dhoom series, there will be a 3rd installment set to begin production at the end of 2011 for a December 2012 release. Aamir Khan will be playing the villain while Abhishek Bachchan and Uday Chopra will return as the Dhoom team of Jai and Ali. This was confirmed according to the Times of India (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-02-02/news-interviews/28365712_1_dhoom-3-aamir-khan-jai-dixit)

[ChanBiaoHungLungFuSheng]

Here is a clip from the bollywood movie Karate which is both the best and worst thing I have ever seen...


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[ShaOW!linDude]

Oh........my..........word........!!!!

I feel like someone has danced on my eyes with cowboy boots after watching that. I wish I'd watched that 20 yrs. ago when I still smoked weed. That's hysterical!

[ChanBiaoHungLungFuSheng]

Oh........my..........word........!!!!

I feel like someone has danced on my eyes with cowboy boots after watching that. I wish I'd watched that 20 yrs. ago when I still smoked weed. That's hysterical!

I'll bet Lau Kar-Leung wishes he had could come up with choreography like that! :bigsmile:

[AlbertV]

This was one of my favorite fight scenes in Bollywood (start it at 2:00)

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Akshay Kumar in MAIN KHILADI TU ANARI, a Bollywood version of THE HARD WAY starring James Woods and Michael J. Fox.

[ShaOW!linDude]

Wow! I wish there would've been a dubbed version of that for MST3K to have gotten a hold of and spoofed.:tongue:

[AlbertV]

Wow! I wish there would've been a dubbed version of that for MST3K to have gotten a hold of and spoofed.:tongue:

I actually have this movie. I taped it on VHS from a PBS station in Philadelphia that plays Bollywood movies on Saturday mornings from 11am-2pm. It was actually a funny movie but Akshay really gets to kick some butt in the film.

[Kwok Choi]

I actually have this movie. I taped it on VHS from a PBS station in Philadelphia that plays Bollywood movies on Saturday mornings from 11am-2pm. It was actually a funny movie but Akshay really gets to kick some butt in the film.

Check These
Hrithik as Aman training in the movie Fiza

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Hrithik demo in the movie Krrish

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Now it's Akshay Kumar's turn in the movie Awara Paagal Deewana

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And now Roger Yuan shows Akshay Kumar how is it done in the movie Chandni Chowk To China

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[ShaOW!linDude]

The clip of Hrithik displaying his MA skills in Krrish is pretty impressive. But that clip from Fiza is just..........I don't know.........narcissistic, I guess you'd say.:tongue: (I mean come on! That's like a highlight reel of windblown head-turns. Okay, okay, so you can smolder, I get it.)

The 2 of Akshay Kumar are unimpressive to me as well. I've got Chandni Chowk To China and I was disappointed in the action in it. But it is pretty comical.

(Cannot get over their fascination with musical numbers either but the production and choreography for them seem to be better than most of their fight sequences.:tongue:)

[AlbertV]

The clip of Hrithik displaying his MA skills in Krrish is pretty impressive.

That's because prior to shooting, Hrithik studied with the film's action choreographer, Hong Kong legend Tony Ching Siu-Tung. Ching was said to have been impressed with Hrithik's quick study of HK style action.

[Kwok Choi]

The clip of Hrithik displaying his MA skills in Krrish is pretty impressive. But that clip from Fiza is just..........I don't know.........narcissistic, I guess you'd say.:tongue: (I mean come on! That's like a highlight reel of windblown head-turns. Okay, okay, so you can smolder, I get it.)

The 2 of Akshay Kumar are unimpressive to me as well. I've got Chandni Chowk To China and I was disappointed in the action in it. But it is pretty comical.

(Cannot get over their fascination with musical numbers either but the production and choreography for them seem to be better than most of their fight sequences.:tongue:)


Re: Fiza,Hrithik's character was indeed smouldering figuratively and yes again he was being narcissistic; I think that's what the disturbed character tried to portray; spot on !

Re : Akshay well what can one say about wire-fu. Not impressed either; Indian or not.

The musical numbers are another story altogether but that's the best part because it's a win win situation as you get 2 for the price of one ( best bang for your buck ) and finally yes the choreography is usually better than the fight sequences

Here's another one: the movie Lahore or rather Indian The Best Of The Best

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[ShaOW!linDude]

Here's another one: the movie Lahore or rather Indian The Best Of The Best


Hmmmm. Well, that's kind of cool. That was rather blatantly a version of BOTB, wasn't it? Some pretty unorthodox techniques used there in the 1st round of the end fight, too: head butts and shoulder rams. They were just brawling there for a bit. Still, it wasn't too bad. I might hunt that down at some point. My only qualm with that clip..........where was the musical number?:tongue: I jest, I jest!