The Man With the Iron Fist

[AlbertV]

Wutang Clan rapper and movie score musician The RZA is going to make his directorial debut with a martial arts film entitled The Man with the Iron Fist. A big fan of the old school kung fu films, The RZA is both writing and helming the film. He learned the art of directing from buddy Quentin Tarentino for years and I'm taking a shot at this from the article, but Eli Roth (HOSTEL I & II) is getting involved in the film, possibly as a producer???

Here's the article:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/080707i.php

[TibetanWhiteCrane]

Oh the horror.....

[Alex]

robert tai is doing the action choreography as far as i know

[doug maverick]

this is going to rock

[thundered mantis]

I´m totally pumped. The RZA knows the genre, and Robert Tai is so awesome

[SlothStyleKungFu]

Well, he said he was directing before. "Bobby Digital: The Movie" anyone? :D

I have always been impressed with his old school knowledge. The half-baked (no pot pun intended) way he embraces the hokey Westernized views of Asian philosophies (like the whole Philosophy of Wu Tang Manual mishmash) makes me think it could go either way- intentionally or unintentional cheesy.

Getting a good action choreographer is the first plus. Lets just hope the cast doesn't sound like a made for BET flick. No racism intended, you know what I mean, a low budget, rapper cast flick, aimed purely at that demographic.

[doug maverick]

well its a kung fu film so i doubt it.

[SlothStyleKungFu]

well its a kung fu film so i doubt it.

Uhhh, I think it is naive to think otherwise. Who's gonna' greenlight a first time directed action flick by freaking Rza and not expect it to be, for lack of a better term, "urban." At this stage, it is just the logical assumption. Besides how many pure kung fu films are getting made in the US these days?

Once the premise and cast is announced, it'll be clearer what he's aiming for, but with Roth and Tarantino on board, odds are its either going to Lionsgate or the Weinstein Co vehicle which doesn't bode well for its theatrical prospects (probalby go DTV) and both have shown (especially Weinstiens) that they panderingly sell action films to the "urban" market.

[doug maverick]

Uhhh, I think it is naive to think otherwise. Who's gonna' greenlight a first time directed action flick by freaking Rza and not expect it to be, for lack of a better term, "urban." At this stage, it is just the logical assumption. Besides how many pure kung fu films are getting made in the US these days?

Once the premise and cast is announced, it'll be clearer what he's aiming for, but with Roth and Tarantino on board, odds are its either going to Lionsgate or the Weinstein Co vehicle which doesn't bode well for its theatrical prospects (probalby go DTV) and both have shown (especially Weinstiens) that they panderingly sell action films to the "urban" market.

so umm....... it has to be urban for it to be green lit wow you sound dumb dude sorry but you do. kinda biased too. from what i'm hearing its going to be a hard core kung fu film. not an "urban" film like this moron seems to think. first of all they can make the film independently and secure financing from other places,depending on where you film he can actually get paid by a state to film in it. new mexico gives filmmakers 12 million dollar loan to film companies provided they shoot in state limits and use resident film crews. canada has a similar deal. with names like eli roth and maybe even tarrintino attached getting financing for the film and distribution for the film won't be a problem. even heard that ridly scott might get involved in the film but thats highly speculative. don't judge a book by its cover buddy. filmmakers make the films they want to make. this is a new age of filmmaking where the studio's don't hold as much power as they once did.

[SlothStyleKungFu]

so umm....... it has to be urban for it to be green lit...

I never said it has to be. I just said it’s a concern. It is not an unlikely thing a studio would push for, oh I don’t know, because every rapper-director has gone that route and its an easier sell considering thats the only background they have to qualify for Rza helming a film.

Me expecting, and saying anyone else should expect, Rza to make an urban leaning kung fu film is that same as my surmising the Wachowski’s planned ninja flick will be slick and over-produced, that Ang Lee would make something martial arthouse, David Mamet would make something less action and more low key dramatic, or that Weird Al would make a kung fu parody because that is their freakin’ background and their familiar element.

...with names like eli roth and maybe even tarrintino attached getting financing for the film and distribution for the film won't be a problem....

Like I said, therefore, then its likely to be Lionsgate or Wienstiens because thats who the two have always produced for and never anyone else in their entire careers. Both of those companies have had trouble lately, especially with tentpole release genre films, so my imagining it ending up a limited release and possibly DTV is not some far out possibility.

...they can make the film independently and secure financing from other places,depending on where you film he can actually get paid by a state to film in it. new mexico gives filmmakers 12 million dollar loan to film companies provided they shoot in state limits and use resident film crews. canada has a similar deal...

See above in regards to it being indie (Besides do you know the massive red tape you gotta’ go through with those programs? You actually have tighter screws with those than you do with a typically financed production). While we are making transparent speculation, we might as well also assume it is just as likely that the Russian mafia invests 25 million in the flick and insist that it be shot in the Ukraine and have supporting roles for T.A.T.U. We just don’t know yet.

...filmmakers make the films they want to make. this is a new age of filmmaking where the studio's don't hold as much power as they once did...

Film is still a highly expensive medium and if you think any film maker, especially a relative novice, is just going to get a couple of million to make an action flick with no scrutiny, you aren’t living in the real world. I guess my point was theres not any renaissance going on in the US where true blue, old school, action genre films are getting made left and right. I want there to be one, maybe Rza can do it, but since all the evidence is to the contrary, I choose to be a little skeptical.

...wow you sound dumb dude sorry but you do. kinda biased too. from what i'm hearing its going to be a hard core kung fu film. not an "urban" film like this moron seems to think...

Well, you can call me ‟dumb‟ and ‟moron‟ all you want for my innocent speculation, fact remains there was substance to my harmless worry, more than any of your hollow defense. The film’s a mystery and not even greenlit anyway, so we’ll just cross our fingers and hope a decent film gets madem be it styled old school, new school, whatever.

[doug maverick]

my question to you is why is it a concern or a worry?

[doug maverick]

another thing. i know what it takes to go through with those state sponsored programs i worked on two films that have used them. its not that hard at all nor constraining.

also about your novice comment. many a first time feature film director have been giving big time budgets.off the strength of shorts music videos and other work. i know for a FACT that rza has alot of little short films with the students at shi yang ming's new york based shaolin temple. because i've seen them two of my friends actually worked on the choreagraphy for the gravel pit video. so i know the type of film he's going to make. it wasn't what you said its how you said it.

and about your director comment. how many rapper directors are there. none probably, i can't think of not one.

i agree with you on the limited release or direct dvd. its a high possibillty considering that this might be a two hour blood fest.

you should try to find and take a look at the tragedy video by the rza. it'll give you a small idea of what this film maybe like.

alright enough i hate stupid forum battles. so lets end this here. nd wait and see when more info is released and then discuss. agreed

[doug maverick]

this is a video directed by the rza in hong kong back in the mid 90's he always talked about making a film out of this video. so i'm thinking iron fist may be similar to to this.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CE3hb__ylG4

here's another rza directed video featuring bookeem woodbine. who is also a long time student of shi yan ming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrT2GBJMM-U

actually i just remmebered back in the late 90's early2000's rza did a direct to video bobby digital film. i haven't seen it so i can't comment.

[Bravery]

Also, RZA's movie the vast majority of the movies he has been involved in haven't been 'urban' such as Kill Bill, Derailed, American Gangster, Ghost Dog, Afro Samurai, Blade etc.. Not the same as Directing but just a few examples.


I am looking forwars to this

[doug maverick]

well american gangster is an urban film. cause its set in an urban back ground with urban themes such as drug dealing. so that is an urban film.

[Alex]

this is a video directed by the rza in hong kong back in the mid 90's he always talked about making a film out of this video. so i'm thinking iron fist may be similar to to this.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CE3hb__ylG4

here's another rza directed video featuring bookeem woodbine. who is also a long time student of shi yan ming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrT2GBJMM-U

actually i just remmebered back in the late 90's early2000's rza did a direct to video bobby digital film. i haven't seen it so i can't comment.

nobody has seen the bobby digital movie, it was never released

the only glimpses of it you can get are in the trailer for it and the cobra clutch video, both of which can be found on youtube. allegedly it was never even finished, although I've read 'insider' reviews that refer to a complete product.

[AlbertV]

Shooting begins in Shanghai this December. The film will mark the directorial and starring debut of The RZA, former member of the Wutang clan. A martial arts enthusiast and movie scoremaker extraordinaire, the RZA will play a blacksmith in feudal China who becomes a martial arts hero. Here comes the big news announced on Monday in regards to the film:

Russell Crowe has signed on to the film, possibly as the film's villain. The RZA told E! Online that Crowe has signed on and he is currently training in martial arts for his role in the film. Here's the article on Crowe's signing on: E! Online (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/marc_malkin/b200173_russell_crowe_unleashes_kung_fu_moves.html ?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=imdb_tv-movies)

Eli Roth (HOSTEL) is producing and co-writing the screenplay with the RZA on the film. The film would mark the 3rd collaboration between Crowe and the RZA after AMERICAN GANGSTER and THE NEXT THREE DAYS.

Universal Pictures will be releasing the film in 2011.

[Drunken Monk]

As much as I want to be excited about this, I'm not sure I have the faith in the Rza that some people have. I look forward to seeing how this comes out and, considering Rza's alleged martial arts connections, I'd certainly like to see some great cameos and a top quality choreographer.

[TrickyNicky]

Watching clips of Wu-Tang vs Golden Phoenix on youtube, it looks pretty rough. But the weapon-work looked pretty decent. I don't really care too much for the cgi effects.

Hopefully, Eli Roth and a bigger budget will equate to a higher quality of movie.

[bengs]

EDIT: There is already a thread for this in another section

Russell Crowe will be starring in a new kung fu movie, co-starring and directed by RZA, and developed by Quentin Tarantino. I heard that RZA was working on a kung fu movie previously but this is an unusual turn..

http://yourmovies.com.au/news/?i=193498&action=news

"Russell Crowe "will knock you out", says rapper"

Russell Crowe is set to star in the kung fu movie The Man With the Iron Fist.

If that casting news sounds strange, the story gets stranger.

The film will be directed by Wu-Tang Clan rapper RZA, who will also co-star with Crowe.

Quentin Tarantino has been developing the film for years, and will assist RZA in bringing the project to the screen.

At the MTV Video Music Awards, RZA revealed what audiences can expect from Crowe.

"I won't spoil it for you, but Russell's gonna be the baddest man alive," he said.

"That man is in fighting shape. That man will knock you out."

[Asmo]

http://www.kungfucinema.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12127

Russell Crowe's supposed to be the villain.

[rdenn]

well russell has had a few fights in this local pub so that might of get him the part.

[bengs]

Sorry, I've done it again, I thought I checked but missed it and reposted the same thing.

[IgaNinja]

lol,this actually sounds quite interesting,I'll be keeping tabs on it to see how it all pans out.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

This shit is gonna be gangsta!!! Russell Crowe is a bad ass Aussie and having Tarantino, Rza involve is going to be good shit, can't wait!!!

[Rhythm-X]

Russell Crowe? Jesus, this movie is going to be bizarre. Good or bad, it will certainly be something to see.

RZA needs to go for broke and put Amitabh Bachchan and Betty White in here as a squabbling husband and wife with lethal supernatural fighting techniques. I will also accept any combination of Danny DeVito, Cheng Pei Pei, Lau Kar-leung, or Helen Mirren in these essential roles. I also demand plentiful humor revolving around roasted chicken.

[The Dragon]

Yawn...

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http://www.kungfucinema.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=12127

[AlbertV]

I think they may go with more old-school tactics as the budget for the film is $20 million.

[Markgway]

Sorry... but this sounds like a load of bollocks.

[blue_skies]

I'd really like to know where RZA gets any credibility as a film-maker let alone to get people excited about a Hollywood martial-arts movie?

[FoulMouff]

RZA is a pretty decent actor and has always been repping the Kung Fu genre since the beginning of his music career. He has the money to be able to make a project like this. Does he need credibility? He's been a fan since before some of us were born. With Tarantino in his corner, i'm sure this will turn out to be decent.

[sifu iron perm]

I feel a Kill Bill style to it..(pei mei chapter)
But to be honest i cant say what the completed product will look like?
20 mill..fans of Kung fu going all out! Why not..?

[lillippa328]

plus he can score a movie....he's scored a bunch of stuff, like Afro-Samurai, Blade (trinity i believe) and of corse Kill Bill

[Drunken Monk]

I very much enjoyed Rza in "Funny People" and his small roles in "American Gangster" and "Coffee and Cigarettes." However, he really hasn't proved himself in any other cinematic role as his only directed feature is currently shelved and not due for release.

[blue_skies]

RZA is a pretty decent actor and has always been repping the Kung Fu genre since the beginning of his music career. He has the money to be able to make a project like this. Does he need credibility? He's been a fan since before some of us were born. With Tarantino in his corner, i'm sure this will turn out to be decent.

We're all fans of martial-arts Cinema here but that doesn't mean we could actually direct and star in a quality movie. I personally think he does need credibility. He's not a proven martial-arts leading man. In fact has he actually been in a martial-arts film to demonstrate his skills? He certainly hasn't actually directed a movie so has no experience. As for Tarantino, an experienced director in his corner means absolutely nothing. Let's not forget the biggest turkey Tarantino cooked up "death proof" an absolute piece of shit of a movie. But even if you have the best from Tarantino, just because he's producing doesn't mean he's hands-on. No doubt Tarantino is only therein name to help get the project rolling.

And again, he can score a movie. Yes so what? It has no relevance on his ability to star and director a film. Even if it did the films I've seen which he scored have made zero impact on me.

I'll happily get excited once I've seen some behind the scenes footage or a trailer until then his previous success in music means absolutely nothing. Jet Li and Wu Jing both martial-arts world champions, been in successful martial-arts movies but were unable to translate to the job of director... That's not to mention Tony Jaa who ultimately caved under the pressure.

Why will RZA succeed?

[Drunken Monk]

I agree with Blue Skies to some extent. While I like Rza, enjoy a large amount of his music and respect his knowledge, persona and acting ability, this is his debut as a director. Just because he knows kung fu as a cinematic genre doesn't mean he'll make a great movie out of it.
I'm actually disappointed that a man so enthralled with martial arts and who is deemed one of the few celebrity fanboys of kung fu cinema wouldn't hire a lead who can actually fight on screen and has proven it.

I also think the film is going to be another "Quentin Tarantino presents..." rather than a film he really has any say in. I believe it's Eli Roth who has more of a background role in this film.

[daTOAD]

So let me get this right, we can accept Keanu, the Scott Pilgrim kid, Drew Barrymore and countless other hollywood actors with no credibility performing MA on screen , but when it comes to a hip hop artist WHO CHAMPIONS the campaign to bring kung fu movies to the big screen and who's group revitalized the kung fu film industry ,you have a problem. Rza prolly knows more about kung fu cinema and the real kung fu than 85% of the people who post here. Have you ever been to WU DANG mountain and chopped it up with actual monks? Rza has. Jus youtube Tragedy by Rza , sit back and enjoy

[daTOAD]

youtube Tragedy by Rza. I thnik he directed this. there are a few more music vids he did also. How do you prove yourself if your not given a chance.

[dionbrother]

I agree with the amphibian poster. Honestly, can it be any worse than MACHETE, which most of you overpraised on the Cult Film board? RZA "gets" these movies more than most, I'm willing to give it a shot. It'll have better action than THE EXPENDABLES, I bet.

[sifu iron perm]

So let me get this right, we can accept Keanu, the Scott Pilgrim kid, Drew Barrymore and countless other hollywood actors with no credibility performing MA on screen , but when it comes to a hip hop artist WHO CHAMPIONS the campaign to bring kung fu movies to the big screen and who's group revitalized the kung fu film industry ,you have a problem. Rza prolly knows more about kung fu cinema and the real kung fu than 85% of the people who post here. Have you ever been to WU DANG mountain and chopped it up with actual monks? Rza has. Jus youtube Tragedy by Rza , sit back and enjoy

Amen to that!!

[dionbrother]

Ben Affleck knocked it out of the park with his directorial debut, GONE BABY GONE, while the very-experienced Robert Rodriguez makes overpraised movies that nobody bothers to see (MACHETE, SHORTS). RZA has worked in films since at least GHOST DOG, so we'll see what he can do as a director. I like the idea, and I know RZA's heart is in the right place. If it sucks, so what? NINJA ASSASSIN sucked donkey dicks, but it got plenty of praise on this board.

[remo]

I wonder if they'll run into any trouble with Marvel -- they're working on a movie featuring their character called Iron Fist.

[VenomsFan]

Ben Affleck knocked it out of the park with his directorial debut, GONE BABY GONE, while the very-experienced Robert Rodriguez makes overpraised movies that nobody bothers to see (MACHETE, SHORTS). RZA has worked in films since at least GHOST DOG, so we'll see what he can do as a director. I like the idea, and I know RZA's heart is in the right place. If it sucks, so what? NINJA ASSASSIN sucked donkey dicks, but it got plenty of praise on this board.

Bet you all didn't know RZA (who also worked on the soundtrack for Repo Men) contributed to the Fight Scenes with Jude Law vs. his co-workers.

pyaEyd_Uiko

Listen, dionbbrother has a point. If a pop star with no prior affiliation can train and pull off being an assasin (great work in the transformation by the way), then this is very possible.

All I can say is, well, why we critique and judge behind forums and aliases, he is actually making it happen. All the people we watch and pay $ out of our pockets (in one way or another - even if we don't want to) are simply, well, making it happen!

All the best on this new project. I like the idea of modernizing, throwbacking, and making a reality another MA flick for this genre in this generation!

In addition, respect the extensive knowledge of Ma films that RZA has.

This work should be encouraged, not discouraged. Especially in a Kung Fu Fandom forum. But as it goes:

To each his own

[Jeru the Damaja]

I am a huge old school hip hop fan, and it doesn't get much better than classic Wu Tang Clan. The Rza had his hand in several kung fu themed music videos back in the day as I recall. Here are a couple I'm sure you kung fu enthusiasts can appreciate. The first one is Rza: Tragedy, and the second one is The Gravediggaz featuring the Rza: The Night the Earth Cried. The last one I just threw in for shis and giggles. It's Jeru the Damaja: Ya Playin Yaself. Of course this one was the inspiration for my username. I will give The Man With the Iron Fist a shot based on these alone. By the way hip hop music today sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[OpiumKungFuCracker]

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Old Skool Rap is so dope!!! What the hell happen to hip hop now??? When I listen to it, it makes me want to punch kids in the face!!!

[Drunken Monk]

I'm a massive fan of the golden era of hip hop and was originally a die hard Wu Tang fanatic. What I'm trying to say, I suppose, is that we should not be over-hyped for this film just because Rza knows his kung fu.
I may eat my words and this may be a fantastic film but I'm not instilling 100% faith in Rza just because he's provided martial arts for a few music videos.

I've already read posts on other boards by people who love Wu Tang and who are are already claiming that this film will be perfect...just because it's Rza.
I'll give him a chance, simply because I gave Ben Affleck and a plethora of others a chance and ended up rather pleased. I'm just not assuming it will be movie gold yet.

[blue_skies]

So let me get this right, we can accept Keanu, the Scott Pilgrim kid, Drew Barrymore and countless other hollywood actors with no credibility performing MA on screen , but when it comes to a hip hop artist WHO CHAMPIONS the campaign to bring kung fu movies to the big screen and who's group revitalized the kung fu film industry ,you have a problem. Rza prolly knows more about kung fu cinema and the real kung fu than 85% of the people who post here. Have you ever been to WU DANG mountain and chopped it up with actual monks? Rza has. Jus youtube Tragedy by Rza , sit back and enjoy

Who's this "we" you're talking about? I don't except Keanu, Drew Barrymore, Lucy Lui etc. Yes I enjoyed the Matrix but when the average none martial-arts fan was being wowed I was thinking how much better it could have been with Jet Li playing neo.

How did they revitalise the kung-fu industry? When did they do this? :ooh:

how is it going to help martial-arts movies if he makes a crap film? Hollywood is going to think even with star power from RZA and Russell Crowe people don't want to see martial-arts movies. Besides who really cares about Hollywood's investment in martial-arts movies? Even when they have talented choreographers, experienced martial-arts directors and talent in front of the camera they still can't make a decent movie... Plus of course due to the insurance liabilities you never see the same crazy, awe-inspiring sequences in a major Hollywood picture .



Ben Affleck knocked it out of the park with his directorial debut, GONE BABY GONE, while the very-experienced Robert Rodriguez makes overpraised movies that nobody bothers to see (MACHETE, SHORTS). RZA has worked in films since at least GHOST DOG, so we'll see what he can do as a director. I like the idea, and I know RZA's heart is in the right place. If it sucks, so what? NINJA ASSASSIN sucked donkey dicks, but it got plenty of praise on this board.

What has Ben Affleck to do with directing martial-arts movies? RZA has been in the movie business for 11 years since Ghost Dog (the only real martial-arts project he's been involved in) where he had a tiny bit part. During this last 10 - 11 years, according to IMDB, he hasn't even been a major co-star let alone held a leading role. He hasn't directed a feature film and his only experience of directing is of a few music videos.

It seems to me the only reason we should be getting excited is because "is heart is in the right place" and his love for kung-fu films.

You can't be serious.

Ninja Assassin was praised on these boards? There might have been a few positive comments but overall I would say the thrust of the thread was negative. Although again what that has to do with RZA and his abilities to make a martial-arts feature film is another matter.

While I'm not sure of the relevance of Robert Rodriguez to this thread I am quite apathetic towards the director and his recent output after a few very good early movies. However I would be more excited about him making a martial-arts movie as he has at least proven himself capable of making a good action film.

[dionbrother]

Yes I enjoyed the Matrix but when the average none martial-arts fan was being wowed I was thinking how much better it could have been with Jet Li playing neo.

The acting would have been worse and Jet would have been doubled more than Keanu.



Also, I am not referring to Ben Affleck or Robert Rodriguez making martial arts movies(and have no clue why you read it that way), I am talking about this weird negativity to RZA actually stepping into the director's chair. Longtime actor Charles Laughton directed one movie, NIGHT OF THE HUNTER. It is still regarded as a classic suspense movie. He never directed again, oddly. Clint Eastwood did fine stepping behind the camera(PLAY MISTY FOR ME) as well as John Wayne (THE ALAMO) and Bruce Lee (and I'd argue WAY OF THE DRAGON is better directed than anything by the more experienced Lo Wei or Robert Clouse). Fred Williamson began directing after a few years of acting(results varied). RZA need not be a major actor or composer to make a good or great directorial debut. Sure, he might do a lousy enough job to be another Stephen King, but I'll just wait and see.

Better RZA than a James McTeague, who claims to have grown up on Shaw Bros. and Kurosawa, but directs like any other music video hack. NINJA ASSASSIN displays no love, inspiration or affection for the martial arts genre. And I remember it having its fair share of fans on the board. You may remember different. ONG BAK 1 & 2 have fans, and both are fairly bad. I don't take the majority opinion on this board as gospel. We've now got some new jack resurgence claiming Bruce Lee's fights were awful and Jackie Chan made nothing but awful movies, but like HAPKIDO is a masterpiece, duuuuudde!.

Whatever the result of this flick, it is better than nothing. Martial Arts are a DEAD genre. No new stars, no visionary filmmakers taking it to the next level. Nada. Stick a fork in it. RZA can really do no damage if it sucks because the genre is dead. If all else fails, at least Robert Tai will make some good money.

Hell, where are rules that you have to be some film school grunt to direct a movie? Most of the classic directors didn't go to school, they came from other professions, learned on the set and likely scoffed at the concept of film school. As creatively bankrupt and boring Hollywood's output has been for the last few decades, I'm glad to see some money gambled on new talent. Need some fresh ideas (even if retro-influenced) to get me back in the multiplex. Quite frankly, the generations of USC students taking over the business is what killed movies, quality-wise.

[Jeru the Damaja]

Old Skool Rap is so dope!!! What the hell happen to hip hop now??? When I listen to it, it makes me want to punch kids in the face!!!

Man I feel your pain.

Here is one more video from Wu Tang Clan affiliate Killah Priest featuring Wu Tang Clan members Inspectah Deck and the Gza. It wouldn't surprise me if the Rza didn't have his hands all over this video as well. Check it out. There is a nice homage to Shogun Assassin.

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[bearpower]

I will watch it and buy the dvd when it come out

[Drunken Monk]

I will watch it and buy the dvd when it come out

Even if it's a giant pile of shit?

[blue_skies]

The acting would have been worse and Jet would have been doubled more than Keanu.



Also, I am not referring to Ben Affleck or Robert Rodriguez making martial arts movies(and have no clue why you read it that way), I am talking about this weird negativity to RZA actually stepping into the director's chair. Longtime actor Charles Laughton directed one movie, NIGHT OF THE HUNTER. It is still regarded as a classic suspense movie. He never directed again, oddly. Clint Eastwood did fine stepping behind the camera(PLAY MISTY FOR ME) as well as John Wayne (THE ALAMO) and Bruce Lee (and I'd argue WAY OF THE DRAGON is better directed than anything by the more experienced Lo Wei or Robert Clouse). Fred Williamson began directing after a few years of acting(results varied). RZA need not be a major actor or composer to make a good or great directorial debut. Sure, he might do a lousy enough job to be another Stephen King, but I'll just wait and see.

Better RZA than a James McTeague, who claims to have grown up on Shaw Bros. and Kurosawa, but directs like any other music video hack. NINJA ASSASSIN displays no love, inspiration or affection for the martial arts genre. And I remember it having its fair share of fans on the board. You may remember different. ONG BAK 1 & 2 have fans, and both are fairly bad. I don't take the majority opinion on this board as gospel. We've now got some new jack resurgence claiming Bruce Lee's fights were awful and Jackie Chan made nothing but awful movies, but like HAPKIDO is a masterpiece, duuuuudde!.

Whatever the result of this flick, it is better than nothing. Martial Arts are a DEAD genre. No new stars, no visionary filmmakers taking it to the next level. Nada. Stick a fork in it. RZA can really do no damage if it sucks because the genre is dead. If all else fails, at least Robert Tai will make some good money.

Hell, where are rules that you have to be some film school grunt to direct a movie? Most of the classic directors didn't go to school, they came from other professions, learned on the set and likely scoffed at the concept of film school. As creatively bankrupt and boring Hollywood's output has been for the last few decades, I'm glad to see some money gambled on new talent. Need some fresh ideas (even if retro-influenced) to get me back in the multiplex. Quite frankly, the generations of USC students taking over the business is what killed movies, quality-wise.

What I'm saying is there is the difference between a first-time director and taking the lead in a drama than there is in doing the same in a martial-arts film. And let's be clear RZA isn't even a proven leading man, proven to have good enough skills in martial-arts, nor at director level. Sure it's possible that he could prove me wrong (I would love to be wrong) but there are a helluva lot of challenges ahead of him with a lot of money at stake for a first-time film maker.

I might agree that "whatever the result of this flick, it is better than nothing" if there was literally nothing being made. However martial-arts while not a popular mainstream genre is far from dead. And yes there are new up-and- coming stars, action choreographers and directors trying to take it to the next level, old and new alike. Yimou Zhang, Yuen Woo Ping, Panna Rittkrai, Alpha stunts, Dan Chupong, Tony Jaa, Daniel O'Neill, Iko Uwais, Johnny Yong Bosch, Scott Atkins, Wu Jing, Eric Jacobus , Johnny Nguyen, the girl from chocolate. All of the above are future stars or film-makers trying to make quality martial-arts films. All of them trying to prove themselves and work their way up on a tiny fraction of the budget that RZA has at his disposal.

As for most of the best directors or classic directors they mostly started on small budget productions, made short films, working with less money than RZA will spend on catering. Rza hasn't worked his way up learning on set. He's just a successful musician who gained a chance to become an actor because he was a big-name musician who would bring a bigger audience to whatever he was involved in. Now he's just used his success from the music business to get to make 20 million dollar budget without honing his craft as a film-maker. Given that much money is involved I doubt he's going to have that much creativity you can be sure of that.

Personally I don't believe it's the film students from USC or any other institution that has killed movies creativity. It's the businessman in the film industry that are only interested in money that has killed Hollywood.

There's plenty of creative talent that are far more proven that Hollywood could bankroll. Yet this production hasn't been bankrolled on proven film making creativity and the ability to make a top martial-arts film. It's star names and the fact that even if they make the greatest pile of crap ever they will make their money back. People round the-world will watch this purely on the basis of names like Russell Crowe and Rza .

IF RZA was a real creative film-maker, had faith in his acting and martial-arts ability he could have bankrolled the project from his own back pocket. Rather than waiting for years to bring this project in to fruition .

I wonder seeing as RZA has such a great love for martial-arts movies does that mean he will be performing in intricately choreographed, long sequences and wide shots, with few cuts showcasing the action?

[dionbrother]

Zhang Yimou doesn't understand martial arts as a genre. He makes glossy wuxia romances. Yuen Woo's best work is decades behind him. Panna Rittkrai sucks as a filmmaker. Seriously, its as if scriptwriting and editing barely exist in Thailand. I don't think either he or the bird from CHOCOLATE are striving for quality filmmaking. Jaa got fat. Alpha stunts..honestly, what have they done lately(though I dig their work)? The Nguyen's movies spend more time on the shelf than in release (though I like parts of THE REBEL). I like Scott Adkins, but until he and Florentine are given a real budget and theatrical push, they are limited to DTV cultdom.




Personally I don't believe it's the film students from USC or any other institution that has killed movies creativity. It's the businessman in the film industry that are only interested in money that has killed Hollywood.


Businessmen were running Hollywood in its golden years. Movies made money even during the Depression. The recent generations of filmmakers are spoiled and raised on bad tv and have not worked real jobs or lived lives. Over-hyped youngsters like John Singleton, Kevin Smith and P T Anderson make overpraised movies that only tell me what little real world experience they have or how asinine they are for preaching their lefty politics. Same for Robert Rodriguez, Steven Spielberg (who is so dumb, he hires a playwright that hates the very existence of Israel to write MUNICH) and every idiot that made an anti-Iraq war movie (that have all bombed, and there's more on the way, so much for Hollywood being run by businessmen). Where's the real movies from people who've lived lives, know who the bad guys are and don't think twinks like Matt Damon or Leonardo DiCaprio can pass for a tough guy? Where are the men like Robert Evans, who have a knack for knowing what people want to see? Christ, compare a newspaper spread for movie theaters from the 1970s to what we have today and it will blow your mind at the selection and variety of what you could choose from.

Here, let Colin Geddes help you:

http://spiltpopcorn.blogspot.com/2010/08/which-is-better-now-or-then.html

I'll roll the dice on RZA. Until there's something else to take a chance on.

[blue_skies]

Zhang Yimou doesn't understand martial arts as a genre. He makes glossy wuxia romances. Yuen Woo's best work is decades behind him. Panna Rittkrai sucks as a filmmaker. Seriously, its as if scriptwriting and editing barely exist in Thailand. I don't think either he or the bird from CHOCOLATE are striving for quality filmmaking. Jaa got fat. Alpha stunts..honestly, what have they done lately(though I dig their work)? The Nguyen's movies spend more time on the shelf than in release (though I like parts of THE REBEL). I like Scott Adkins, but until he and Florentine are given a real budget and theatrical push, they are limited to DTV cultdom.





Businessmen were running Hollywood in its golden years. Movies made money even during the Depression. The recent generations of filmmakers are spoiled and raised on bad tv and have not worked real jobs or lived lives. Over-hyped youngsters like John Singleton, Kevin Smith and P T Anderson make overpraised movies that only tell me what little real world experience they have or how asinine they are for preaching their lefty politics. Same for Robert Rodriguez, Steven Spielberg (who is so dumb, he hires a playwright that hates the very existence of Israel to write MUNICH) and every idiot that made an anti-Iraq war movie (that have all bombed, and there's more on the way, so much for Hollywood being run by businessmen). Where's the real movies from people who've lived lives, know who the bad guys are and don't think twinks like Matt Damon or Leonardo DiCaprio can pass for a tough guy? Where are the men like Robert Evans, who have a knack for knowing what people want to see? Christ, compare a newspaper spread for movie theaters from the 1970s to what we have today and it will blow your mind at the selection and variety of what you could choose from.

Here, let Colin Geddes help you:

http://spiltpopcorn.blogspot.com/2010/08/which-is-better-now-or-then.html

I'll roll the dice on RZA. Until there's something else to take a chance on.
I think we have different definitions of what makes a quality martial-arts film. I mentioned Zhang Yimou because it's a visually stunning film with a great cast of actors and a good all-round story. But then on the other side of the coin you have great action directors/choreographers and martial-arts actors that are creating terrific, exciting martial-arts that perhaps don't have a great story or arenot the greatest at acting but are delivering. Panna is a fantastic action director as you can see from the difference in quality between Jijja Yanin in chocolate to her next movie Raging Phoenix which he didn't work on. And to say Jaa got fat seems unfair when the guy was genuinely trying to do something different with Ong Bak 2 and his vision was changed (and from what I've read ultimately destroyed). His next movie could well be awesome!!The Rebel was a terrific effort from Nguyen telling a good story and showcasing some exciting martial-arts.

What have Alpha Stunts done lately? Try Broken Path! Bloody awesome!

You're welcome to your opinion but if I had $20 million to invest in martial-arts movies and the goal was to make a quality martial-arts film I would want some of that talent that I listed in my previous post. However if I didn't care and was only interested in money I would probably back RZA. It's a typical Hollywood decision... It's which would make the most money.


Yes but Robert Evans went into the business to make films originally as an actor and then as a producer before running, was it Paramount? Unlike other executives today and even than he wasn't the norm in Hollywood. Trying to find the best scripts, the best stories and taking chances.

what you don't take into consideration is that while Hollywood doesn't have all the diversity there are so many movies available today from all over the world giving us a so much richer choice. Also while you're looking back with rose-tinted glasses television has come on to create some wonderful dramas that hold their own against the best Hollywood movies.

[The Dragon]

The acting would have been worse and Jet would have been doubled more than Keanu.

:xd:

Ain't that the truth!

[HyperDrive]

I'm just glad it isn't being called Blingin' Iron Fist Gangstah or something to that extent.

[bearpower]

Even if it's a giant pile of shit?
Whatever the result of this flick, it can't be any bigger pile of shit than Storm Warriors and Kung Fu Pow and a lot of other movie out there now

[sifu iron perm]

Bold of Rza to cast himself as the lead role in a martial arts film and he's not even a martial artist. I would have more respect for this film if he starred a newcomer, or someone who could show the American audience the beauty and brutality of martial arts. I have a feeling this will be some hollywood formula with a dash of help from Hong Kong lol. Rza would probably be screwed if he didn't know Tarantino who has greatly helped Rza out, and he's lucky Tarantino loves the genre.

This is the reason why they got the 20 mil to make this flick..Tarrintino's name will be advertised all oevr.
The genre is dead and i doubt if this will revive it but maybe bring a twinkle or so..
RZA needs to market this all over..if it that goes well then hopefully big retailers will bring out more classics or so for sale..like when the genre made a quick snappy live in check in the 90's..that was cool!

[Rhythm-X]

Sure it's possible that he could prove me wrong (I would love to be wrong) but there are a helluva lot of challenges ahead of him with a lot of money at stake for a first-time film maker

...

Rza hasn't worked his way up learning on set.

...

IF RZA was a real creative film-maker, had faith in his acting and martial-arts ability he could have bankrolled the project from his own back pocket. Rather than waiting for years to bring this project in to fruition .

...

I wonder seeing as RZA has such a great love for martial-arts movies does that mean he will be performing in intricately choreographed, long sequences and wide shots, with few cuts showcasing the action?

IMDB aside, this is RZA's third film as director. After two (as yet unreleased) films he financed out of pocket. The last one had choreography by Shaw vet Robert Tai. (I don't know who choreographed the first one.) RZA was by Quentin Tarantino's side for much of the KILL BILL shoot, trying to learn as much as he could.

I can understand being skeptical about this admittedly odd project, but let's be fair about it.

[Drunken Monk]

To deter somewhat from the debate of whether Rza is going to make a good film or not I created this new thread for actual news about the film.

Rza speaks on what we can expect from the film's choreography...

“I think something that’s missing in some of these film, that loses tension, is sometimes these guys’ll get hit three or four, five or six times and get back up and try to keep fighting,” RZA said. “Bruce Lee once said that he likes his movies where he hits you one time and you’re down. That’s because what’s the use of knowing kung fu if it’s going to take you 20 punches to kill a man? Anybody could do that then. So I’m looking at trying to bring back the exciting impact of a martial art blow. It’s easier said than done of course but that’s my aim, to look at it like ooh, ooh, get a lot of oohs and not a lot of ha ha, ahh.”

“I think there’s a way to do it. I think without revealing my technique, take [the example of] horror movies, like Jason. It’s one stab and that motherfucker’s dead. It’s a buildup to that death but you watch it and that’s your fear. When he does it, you’re like ugh. I think it’s that. I think it’s the impact of the one thing that makes an audience feel that kind of jolt you get when you’re watching these kinds of films.”

[ShaOW!linDude]

I agree with his premise. I think that's one of the things that really separates Bruce Lee's films from the pack. I detest what I refer to as "Patty-Cake Kung Fu" in movies. It lulls me much in the same way the road will hypnotize a person while making a long drive. I don't mind a little interplay to show off a fighter's style or skills but it shouldn't take that many minutes to land a blow. It's really a fine line in the choreography of the depiction of the fight. So, if the RZA can pull this premise off then that's great. Hopefully he'll stay away from crazy wire-work, too.

[dragonfist]

Batista is now confirmed for this film.
More from RZA:
“I would love to bring these worlds together. That’s what I’m striving to do. My budget is not as big as some of these movies, so I’ve got to pull a lot of favors. Another buddy who is on board is Dave Batista, the world wrestling champion who left and now he’s into Strikeforce and he’s going to be doing mixed martial arts. To have him come on as Glass Body, when I talked to him about it, he was like, “I always wanted to be The Toad in ‘Five Deadly Venoms,’” and I said, this isn’t The Toad but the character is very similar, and he said it would be his honor to do it. So to have him and Russell Crowe standing beside each other, two men, real men, is exciting. But I’m looking to make this an international thing that brings both worlds under one umbrella and get out a good piece of art.”

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/batista-lands-movie-role-in-the-rza%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Ciron-first%E2%80%9D.html

[Morgoth Bauglir]

So "Glass Body" is going to be similar to "The Toad"?

I don't get it. are they opposites?

[VenomsFan]

Interview: Man with the Iron Fist Director, Wu-Tang Impresario RZA - Comingsoon.net (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=70474#ixzz11nrC2nx6)

[blue_skies]

To deter somewhat from the debate of whether Rza is going to make a good film or not I created this new thread for actual news about the film.



Why? Other movies have the news posted on the same thread where people are debating a future film. Why should this be given special treatment? I think this thread should be merged with the other one rather than try and hide other forum members comments.

http://www.kungfucinema.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12127

I see someone's trying to hide the other thread moving it onto the general forum from this one

[blue_skies]

OK let's assume you are correct and this is his third film. You have to wonder how bad his first two are to not even be listed on IMDB and hasn't even released them.



this thread should be merged with the other TMWTIF thread

http://www.kungfucinema.com/forums/showthread.php?p=140852&highlight=iron+fist#post140852

also why has this been moved from the modern martial arts forum hiding in general forum?

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7HF4EK6rAI&feature=player_embedded

no wonder he hasn't released them if this trailer is anything to go by!

[Morgoth Bauglir]

I'm very much looking forward to this. I think it deserves a minimum of 7 threads.

[blue_skies]

fair enough but there's no reason for someone to hide the "negative" threads buring them in other parts of the forum!

[Morgoth Bauglir]

There's no hidden threads on this forum.

Here's some random thoughts of mine in no way directed to any forum member here-

If someone wants to rip the director, the movie or Russell Crow that's fine. Go ahead. Post all the negative stuff you want to. Post a thread that says "this fim will be shit and I know it for a fact" I don't care. I welcome Russell Crow with open arms to this genre. Like rza says he's a real man, not some pussy like Keano Reeves. If he sucks then trust me I'll rip him with some foul words you never heard before just like I would aybody else I don't like in movies.

[blue_skies]

Sorry mate I wasn't implying you have done anything to hide the other thread but someone has obviously moved a thread about a martial-arts film from this modern martial-arts forum to the general forum. Just seems a little suspicious to me.

check out this awful trailer for another movie he did...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7HF4EK6rAI&feature=player_embedded

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Nah don't worry I didn't think you were implying at all I had done something, I was just joking about "hidden threads" lol. And I like that trailer for Golden Phoenix, I may like this genre too much if that's possible:tongue:

[sifu iron perm]

RZA has got an Ex WWE wrestler on board..

http://mimg.ugo.com/200901/15241/dave-batista.jpg

RZA: I would love to bring these worlds together. That's what I'm striving to do. My budget is not as big as some of these movies, so I've got to pull a lot of favors. Another buddy who is on board is Dave Batista, the world wrestling champion who left and now he's into Strikeforce and he's going to be doing mixed martial arts. To have him come on as Glass Body, when I talked to him about it, he was like, "I always wanted to be The Toad in 'Five Deadly Venoms,'" and I said, this isn't The Toad but the character is very similar, and he said it would be his honor to do it. So to have him and Russell Crowe standing beside each other, two men, real men, is exciting. But I'm looking to make this an international thing that brings both worlds under one umbrella and get out a good piece of art.

check the whole interview here -
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=70474

[QueMuchita]

Sorry mate I wasn't implying you have done anything to hide the other thread but someone has obviously moved a thread about a martial-arts film from this modern martial-arts forum to the general forum. Just seems a little suspicious to me.

check out this awful trailer for another movie he did...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7HF4EK6rAI&feature=player_embedded

Awful?? Thats bad ass

[AlbertV]

Daniel Wu is making a cameo in the film. He announced it on his official website.

http://www.alivenotdead.com/daniel

[blue_skies]

Nah don't worry I didn't think you were implying at all I had done something, I was just joking about "hidden threads" lol. And I like that trailer for Golden Phoenix, I may like this genre too much if that's possible:tongue:

Interestingly that video has been pulled from you tube. Clearly someone didn't want people watching it! :wink2: RZA is hiding the evidence! :tongue:

I'm telling you the more I hear about this movie and the more I learn about RZA's "credentials" the more I think this movie is going to stink to high heaven. This ex wrestler has done nothing but solidify my thoughts.

the hidden thread below....



http://www.kungfucinema.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12127

[Space]

I wish I had RZA's money for a project like this. He's a real fan and has been studying kung fu under Shi Yan Ming for a while now but his movies all seem half-baked.

[blue_skies]

I wish I had RZA's money for a project like this. He's a real fan and has been studying kung fu under Shi Yan Ming for a while now but his movies all seem half-baked.

Me too. I'd use his money to get the Stunt people going on a bigger budget. Truth is he isn't using his own money. I'd bet any KFC forums member would use their money to fund a MA film if they had the funds RZA has . clearly he's all talk. Imagine Stunt People with his money... RZA should feel ashamed. He could fund so much more without affecting his lifestyle. RZA should be ashamed ! If I had his money I'd produce what I love. RZA is all talk.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

his movies all seem half-baked.

what movies?

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

So this movie is going to release this year 2011???

[AlbertV]

So this movie is going to release this year 2011???

It's possible...it is currently shooting right now in China. But you know how distribution goes, so we'll have to wait and see to get an official response.

[Space]

what movies?

:tongue:

OK, you got me, I guess he never finished Wu-Tang vs. The Golden Phoenix.

Too bad, it looked like it was filmed on a flip camera.

[Jeru the Damaja]

It looks like fine ass Lucy Liu is on board with this one now as well.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.13651/title.lucy-liu-joins-rzas-the-man-with-the-iron-fists

[AlbertV]

So is Byron Mann, who played Ryu in Van Damme's Street Fighter. Christopher Doyle is doing the camerawork as the cinematographer and Corey Yuen is the film's action director.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

Who's the main lead???? The guy who's gonna do all the ass kicking, is it the RZA, really???

[AlbertV]

The RZA himself is in the lead role. He plays a blacksmith who must save the village he works in.

[Drunken Monk]

I understand bringing a proper kung fu film to a mainstream audience requires Hollywood pulling power but I can't help expecting more form the Rza. I thought he may have drafted in some old school legends or even new school talent to really thicken out the martial arts action. Ok, so the name Corey Yuen has been synonymous with classic martial arts cinema but it's also synonymous with "Dead or Alive."

Am I being overly pessimistic?

[sifu iron perm]

I understand bringing a proper kung fu film to a mainstream audience requires Hollywood pulling power but I can't help expecting more form the Rza. I thought he may have drafted in some old school legends or even new school talent to really thicken out the martial arts action. Ok, so the name Corey Yuen has been synonymous with classic martial arts cinema but it's also synonymous with "Dead or Alive."

Am I being overly pessimistic?

i was expecting some big budget robert tai type of flick.

[GOLDEN DRAGON YIN-YANG]

Tien Peng in his latter roles as a sword swashbuckler often was in fights where his every first or second blow were lethal to most lesser men. Of course the caliber of ones martial art must be of high standing.....take the example of modern day cage matches ....most of the times these supposed martial artists end up on the floor hugging themselves silly.....we don't see this too often in the kung fu movies.....but then we need a good fight to make the movies interesting.....legend says that a modern Tai Chi Master and a Ba Qua Master fought.... going around each other........ for three days before the Ba Qua Master had a slight advantage and proved the point....... The one inch punch is not mastered by many people....of any martial art.....Lets see if the WuTang man can prove his point.....he may well do it.....after all they gave us a nice assortment of kung fu movies on VHS...... did they not.....?

:tinysmile_angry2_t:

GD Y_Y

[sifu iron perm]

I'm sick of hearing about it just release the damn movie already Rza.

it's still in production..i bet only few scenes have been completed.
a summer release maybe?

[Space]

It looks like fine ass Lucy Liu is on board with this one now as well.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.13651/title.lucy-liu-joins-rzas-the-man-with-the-iron-fists

OK, I might be interested in this movie now.

[QueMuchita]

What do you mean hurry up and release it? They literally finished 12 weeks of pre production less than a week ago.

[sifu iron perm]

porn version on its way-

The man with the Iron Balls.

[blue_skies]

Christopher Doyle is doing the camerawork as the cinematographer and Corey Yuen is the film's action director.

well that's some promising news at least!

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

Is this going to be like an old skool shapes type or punch and block??? I don't know what type of martial arts Rza knows but I'm hoping he bring back that old skool shit... I wouldn't mind him going the ong bak style too...

[sifu iron perm]

Is this going to be like an old skool shapes type or punch and block??? I don't know what type of martial arts Rza knows but I'm hoping he bring back that old skool shit... I wouldn't mind him going the ong bak style too...

Im thinking of Kill Bill..when she visits pai mei..that's what im tinking of.

[AlbertV]

I'm guessing it will be a hybrid of styles...especially with Dave Batista playing a character reminiscent of the Toad from FIVE VENOMS. According to IMDB (i'm taking this with grain of salt until confirmed), his character is "Brass Body".

[AlbertV]

More casting news official, according to Grace Huang (http://www.alivenotdead.com/gracehuang/Filming-The-Man-with-the-Iron-Fists--profile-1151611.html)'s blog

Grace Huang
Terence Yin
Andrew Lin
MC Jin
Darren Scott
Celina Jade
Andrew Ng
Marrese Crump
Telly Liu
YaYao Hsueh are all cast in the film

Here's a pic with cast members Telly Liu, Darren Scott, Dave Batista, Cung Le, Grace Huang, Marrese Crump and YoYao Hsueh.
http://alive.tom.com/attachments/2011/01/17/12/61673_201101171258111.thumb.jpg

Grace with Corey Yuen
http://alive.tom.com/attachments/2011/01/17/13/61673_201101171301241.thumb.jpg

[Drunken Monk]

I don't really recognize many of the names but I'm excited Cung Le is on board.

[peringaten]

Even though it doesn't appear to be publicised elsewhere (unless I'm much mistaken) Gordon Liu's personal website states he's been working on this film.

http://www.mastergordon.com/

[Morgoth Bauglir]

While I wish there were more martial artists involved, I'm still really excited by the cast of this movie. Hopefully a trailer surfaces soon, so that people can undoubtedly rip the shit out of it:tongue:

[MattK]

the cast looks impressive and with that budget i imagine it will end up looking good if this is the film RZA has been preparing his whole life for, will watch it either way to see if it turns out the way he hopes plus Dave Bautista in another film is great, he was robbed of screen time in Wrong side of town, charisma through the roof :) and Gordon liu too now, thats great, he's the man ;) the question is, will it be popular enough to get a worldwide cinematic release or straight to DVD in the smaller countries? (i live in NZ, legend of chen zhen got a small run here as well as the ong bak films so hoping for more MA movies to get the same)

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Dave Bautista I've not seen in a movie before, but his character sounds cool. Gordon Liu is of course great to have in the cast. I'm also looking forward to seeing Terrence Yin who is a great actor, and Andrew Lin who played a great villain in the shit movie Blacksheep Affair. And Russel Crowe, damn, how did RZA get Russel Crowe to be in this?! He's the mystery man here. I'm sure everyone is wondering what kind of a role will he have, and how big will his role be.

[sifu iron perm]

Returned from Shanghai film directed by RZA of Wu Tang w Russell Crowe, Lucy Liu, on Man With Iron Fist, To tape Oprah Winfrey Show Mad Fun!

http://twitter.com/pamgrier


really?why?
I hope her role will be relevant.

[QueMuchita]

Pam Grier? damn thats good to hear she has a role, I always was a big fan of hers.

[nothingtogein]

Grier is an interesting add - I always enjoy watching her performances, although I'm curious as to how big a role she'll have.

[AlbertV]

the cast looks impressive and with that budget i imagine it will end up looking good if this is the film RZA has been preparing his whole life for, will watch it either way to see if it turns out the way he hopes plus Dave Bautista in another film is great, he was robbed of screen time in Wrong side of town, charisma through the roof :)

I agree. Plus, he looks to be really quick with his hands. He had a short but sweet unarmed fight scene in WSOT against Marrese Crump (who is the RZA's double and I believe has a role in this film too), who used a knife against him.

Back on topic: LEGENDARY ASSASSIN's Celina Jade (aka Roy Horan's daughter) has joined the cast. Here she is with the RZA
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6fyaIP-cj0o/TU2qwdQFpOI/AAAAAAAAbM8/wpBZnkgofOM/s400/rza+celina+jade.jpg

The RZA with Andrew Lin
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6fyaIP-cj0o/TU2o0DwHrkI/AAAAAAAAbM4/dN1pz8OZs5Y/s320/andrew+lin+rza+iron+fist.jpg

[blue_skies]

Returned from Shanghai film directed by RZA of Wu Tang w Russell Crowe, Lucy Liu, on Man With Iron Fist, To tape Oprah Winfrey Show Mad Fun!

http://twitter.com/pamgrier


really?why?
I hope her role will be relevant.

Too many western roles imo...

[rdenn]

ehh. andrew lin, thought we had seen the last of him..quite mad cast rza has got together.

[AlbertV]

ehh. andrew lin, thought we had seen the last of him..quite mad cast rza has got together.

LOL...Oh Andrew's still been around...he recently was behind the camera as the special effects make up artist for Hong Kong slasher film DREAM HOME. He also appeared as twin brothers in TRIPLE TAP, with Daniel Wu.

I wonder what role he will have in MWTIF.

[loempiavreter]

LOL...Oh Andrew's still been around...he recently was behind the camera as the special effects make up artist for Hong Kong slasher film DREAM HOME. He also appeared as twin brothers in TRIPLE TAP, with Daniel Wu.

I wonder what role he will have in MWTIF.

Loving the names so far hehe :P Hope their names fit their looks (I'm hoping for some "To Kill A Mastermind"-like costumes).

Gemini Male (Andrew Lin)
Gemini Female (Grace Huang)

Brass Body (Dave Batista)

Bronze Lion (Cung Le)
Silver Lion (Byron Mann)
Gold Lion (Kuan Tai Chen)
Copper Lion (Yoyao Hsueh)

Hyena Chief (Ka-Yan Leung)
Blue Hyena (Brian Yang)

Rodent Chief (Darren E. Scott)

[AlbertV]

Gordon Liu confirmed on his AliveNotDead page (http://www.alivenotdead.com/gordonliu) that he will be playing the Abbot.

http://www.alivenotdead.com/attachments/2011/03/15/01/66576_201103150118353.thumb.jpg

[sifu iron perm]

The Man with the Iron Fists Synopsis:

The action-adventure is inspired by kung-fu classics as interpreted by his longtime collaborators RZA and Eli Roth. The Man with the Iron Fists tells the epic story of warriors, assassins and a lone outsider hero in nineteenth-century China who must unite to destroy the clan traitor who would destroy them all. Since his arrival in China’s Jungle Village, the town’s blacksmith (RZA) has been forced by radical tribal factions to create elaborate tools of destruction. When the clans’ brewing war boils over, the stranger channels an ancient energy to transform himself into a human weapon. As he fights alongside iconic heroes and against soulless villains, one man must harness this power to become savior of his adopted people. Blending astonishing martial-arts sequences from some of the masters of this world with the signature vision he brings as the leader of the Wu-Tang Clan and as one of hip-hop’s most dominant figures of the past two decades, RZA joins Roth to embark upon their most ambitious, stylized and thrilling project to date.


http://www.upcoming-movies.com/Articles/rza-s-the-man-with-the-iron-fists-starring-russell-crowe-gets-updated-synopsis/

[Rebornman]

any word on a release date yet?

[teako170]

2050.......?

any word on a release date yet?

[Rebornman]

2050.......?

sounds about right :)

[sifu iron perm]

jessicamerlos Jessica Merlos
@russellcrowe My grandmother (or Lady Katherine as you may remember) asks: any word on the release date of The Man with the Iron Fists?


russellcrowe Russell Crowe
@jessicamerlos Heard it was screened for Universal execs today, heard they were digging it,laughter,fist pumps...Bobby Diggs is the man

[blue_skies]

j


russellcrowe Russell Crowe
@jessicamerlos Heard it was screened for Universal execs today, heard they were digging it,laughter,fist pumps...Bobby Diggs is the man

Raise your hand if you think Russell Crowe's agent lied to his client?:tongue:

Come on studio executives "Digging it, laughter, fist pumps":neutral:

[ShaOW!linDude]

You're missing the point, b_s.

Jessica's grandmother, the Lady Katherine, is a kung fu cinema fan!!!!!! :tongue:(Or a Russell Crowe fan, at the least.)

[blue_skies]

You're missing the point, b_s.

Jessica's grandmother, the Lady Katherine, is a kung fu cinema fan!!!!!! :tongue:(Or a Russell Crowe fan, at the least.)

my bad:tongue:

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

Create your own The Man movie title....
The Man with a bad case of acne
The Man who shot the Lieutenant
The Man with one golden ball
The Man from the grave and beyond........

[sifu iron perm]

The Man with the Iron Penis.

[blue_skies]

The Man With The Iron Arm
The Man Dressed In Women's Clothing
The Man From Brixton

[odioustrident]

Man with Iron Finger Pointing Towards the Sky

[loempiavreter]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=84643

Cut from 4 hours into 90 minutes... I'm smelling a bootleg directors cut like Ninja The Final Duel.

[blue_skies]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=84643

Cut from 4 hours into 90 minutes... I'm smelling a bootleg directors cut like Ninja The Final Duel.

the first cut is only getting all the footage in the story together and you can bet anything you like that that Is worse than watching paint dry! You can bet now when the movie sucks he'll blame it on the studio for cutting it. Anyway sounds like RZA was willing to rip off everyone by turning it into two movies from the attributed quotes.:squigglemouth: