Funimation’s Bastard Swordsman 1 and 2 English dubs- bad news

[Morgoth Bauglir]

New dub and new music.

[bratty]

UGH that is so weak! Why even bother???? I guess your average 12 year old kid in middle America isn't going to notice / care , but he is probably more likely to rent/copy/download then the real heads like us who would buy a copy. I'm still going for it since I don't have the IVLs but will definitely wait until they go on sale.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Yeah I don’t see why they would put the time and effort into doing these dubs. And the music is lousy. It’s actually not new music, just newly made and it sounds really bad. I don’t really know how describe it.

Does anyone know if SB ever made dubs for these movies? If Celestial has them, I think Funimation tried to acquire them, but maybe they cost too much and it was cheaper for them to create their own dubs. It would be nice if someone from Funimation could come on the forum and explain why they are making new dubs. I emailed them awhile ago asking if their upcoming releases will have the oldschool dubs, but they never replied. Now I know why.

[bobo]

hi---- as for these movies having original dubs ---i always believed that they did because like SOUL OF THE SWORD these two always were on the old lost dub list and people on this forum claimed to have seen them. also , i'm not sure but were these two movies on the old BLACKBELT THEATRE list, if they were that should have meant that they were in english. i have to admit that even though i love english dub shaws i obviously prefer the old school original ones over the new dubs. these new dubs just can't seem to capture the mood or the characters and that new music is just lifeless and dull. part of the problem with SOUL OF THE SWORD was that it seemed to me that the dubbers were just reading the sub titles line for line and not using their imagination to come up with lines to better match the mouth movements. i pre ordered SOUL OF THE SWORD and SHAOLIN RESCUERS but i'll have to rethink about these next two if they don't have the real dubs. i was really looking forward to SWORD OF SWORDS, SUPREME SWORDSMAN and LADY HERMIT finally showing up with dubs but now i'm worried. if these two have old dubs then you have to suspect that celestial didn't provide them or funimation didn't pursue them----THIS SUCKS.:tinysmile_angry2_t:

[Drunken Monk]

I've been fuming for a while about buying the two "Bastard Swordsman" films on the IVL label because I had no idea they were being released by Funimation.
I'm a sucker for a good dub but typically dislike newer dubbing. So, I might be better off with the IVL'as after all.

[bobo]

i did a little research and as far as i can tell by my info is that BASTARD SWORDSMAN in english was to air on blackbelt theatre but never made it to the air because the channel folded---but they did have an original dub--not sure about RETURN OF but like i said it was always on the lost dub list. i sent an e mail to FUN with our concerns--hopefully they will respond.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

I figured there were dubs for these. I guess we were spoiled with the dubs from Holy Flame, Brave Archer 4 and Deadly Breaking Sword. Funimation is yet to surprise us with one of these "lost" dubs, and like you I'm also doubting that their next 3 releases will have the old dubs.

[daTOAD]

Im positive Bastard Swordsman has original english dub, but Im almost sure it was the house of traps team so im cool with new dub. Is it Legend[jet li type] type dub or Brave Archer 4 type dub?

[Morgoth Bauglir]

It's worse than Legend, and much much worse than Brave Archer 4. Like bobo said they just read the subtitles. And then you think it can't get any worse than that right? Well wait till you hear the music.

[make believe]

I guess your average 12 year old kid in middle America isn't going to notice / care , but he is probably more likely to rent/copy/download then the real heads like us who would buy a copy

Your average 12 year old kid in America probably doesn't know this movie exists.


i pre ordered SOUL OF THE SWORD and SHAOLIN RESCUERS but i'll have to rethink about these next two if they don't have the real dubs. :

If there is one thing you should never do when it comes to these movies is pre-order. Especially when it comes to a companies with faulty track records like Funimation.


It's worse than Legend, and much much worse than Brave Archer 4. Like bobo said they just read the subtitles. And then you think it can't get any worse than that right? Well wait till you hear the music.

So if they just read the subtitles then it sounds like they might even be dubtitles. Did they even get the cantonese audio right or did they only include the mandarin track like in some of their past titles? I

I've seen bootlegs of Bastard Swordsman on EBAY before with English dub. I bet those have the older dub.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

Oh, they better not mess up the Shaolin Rescuers dub or I'm jumpin, blind drunk on you guyziz whining wagon. Fear not, I'll bring more wine. I'm gonna see this flick Saturday. We'll see.

[BigDruDogg]

In my opinion, if there was never an English Dub for these films, then more power to Funi for giving us the option to have one. But why fool with the music? That's seems very unnecessary..

But if there were Dubs, then it's probably like Morgoth speculated and too expensive to acquire.. which would be a damn shame...

I'm still going to buy them, because I don't own them, and the only difference between these and the IVL are these will have an optional dub.. Was the voice acting done by Funimation? Or a different group all together? Because if it was Funi it will be weird hearing shaw actors with the same voices as dragonball z characters :squigglemouth:

[BigDruDogg]

Oh, they better not mess up the Shaolin Rescuers dub or I'm jumpin, blind drunk on you guyziz whining wagon. Fear not, I'll bring more wine. I'm gonna see this flick Saturday. We'll see.

Not to worry they left the original dub intact thankfully..

[daTOAD]

:mad: of course this would happen with the funimations i was looking most forward too.

[The Silver Fox]

Ok, so would you guys be happier if they didn't include a dub at all? Personally, I couldn't care less because I prefer subs but since they could not aquire the original dub for whatever reason-at least they went to the trouble of making one available.

I'm still looking forward to these releases because they are great films. Go ahead and try to get the IVL's they are way OOP and pricey if you can find them. Rest assured, if you can find them- I can guarantee you will find something wrong with those too.

I think you have to weigh the good and the bad.

The Good: Legit release,re-mastered,un cut, widescreen,2 language options,eng subs.

The 'Bad' : New Dub,some new music.


Pretty lame reason to not buy these releases .

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Would I be happier if they didn't include a dub at all?

I'd still feel the same way. If there are original dubs for these movies they should have gotten them.

[HAZ]

Is the dub on that Library of Congress list?

[TibetanWhiteCrane]

Original dub, that's cool, though I don't really care...

New dub, what's the fucking point??? Only for retards!

Changing the music!!!!!!! A crime in my book, they should be dragged out behind the barn and shot!!!!!

[daTOAD]

"Pretty lame reason to not buy these releases . "

dude ,show some respect. You like subs-bully for you-buy it. I like dubs and own the ivl-whats the point. :nerd:

[Sheng]

I like dubs and own the ivl-whats the point.

You like dubs and bought the dub-less IVL's... er, what is the point you're makin' here, dude ???
Nothing to do with respect, I'd say. Silver Fox made his point quite clearly. The IVL's are OOP by now and difficult to find. And not to pick up the (picture-wise far superior!) Funimation DVD's because the dub is "new" is indeed a pretty lame excuse.

[HAZ]

I don't think the original dubs for these exist. I've done some looking aorund. These dubs haven't appeared in any document or list of films. Jumper, who makes pretty much all of the fan made dubs that are going around, doesn't have this on any list of his. The only proof of this existing is someone who says he saw it in a theater years ago, and this guy never posted anything again. Others posting about it's existence have only speculated. I think this dub is with the saw in the head scene, stored in Jimmy Hoffa's basement.

Here is a link to the thread discussing the potential existence of Bastard Swordsman's english dub:

http://www.kungfucinema.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2913&page=3

[Pai Mei]

With exception to 14 Amazons and Shaolin Hand Lock, the FUNimation Shaw releases have the best video quality on the market. For your own good, please don't spend your time trying to find the IVL releases of the Bastard Swordsmans. Both IVLs are DVD5s and probably interlaced NTSC. On the other hand, the Funimation releases have all been progressive scan DVD9s (higher bit rates). Funimation also puts in alot of time further restoring the audio.

[daTOAD]

I feel whut youre saying HAZ, but i believe in my heart it exist. This was a very popular series, manga, and movie. they even made a new series, not to mention box office was better than a lot of shaw flicks [earned a sequel]. It just makes sense that this would be englished dubbed and internationally released. i actually believe all the shaw martial arts films had english dubs even though a lot never made it to America[Flying Guilotine2]. Back in the vhs boot days i got a catalog from a seller from either Philly or detroit and he had it listed with a dub. know that means nothing, but still. This makes me think of my Last Hurrah for Chivalry dvd. I know an original dub exist yet the dvd has a terrible new dub. Why?

[Morgoth Bauglir]

It is speculation whether or not they exist. I only took about a 5 minute scan through the thread you posted HAZ, and I didn't see Deadly Breaking Sword there, but yet it showed up on the Image DVD.



I've seen bootlegs of Bastard Swordsman on EBAY before with English dub. I bet those have the older dub.

I wish I knew for sure they had the dubs. I'd buy them.

[HAZ]

It is speculation whether or not they exist. I only took about a 5 minute scan through the thread you posted HAZ, and I didn't see Deadly Breaking Sword there, but yet it showed up on the Image DVD.




I wish I knew for sure they had the dubs. I'd buy them.


But Deadly Breaking Sword did show up on a list of dubs in the Library Of Congress. That's pretty official & authoritative. Many dubs only rumored to exist showed up on that list. Bastard Swordsman doesn't come up anywhere except in people's assumptions and speculation. Maybe it was solicited, but never actually recorded?

[The Silver Fox]

Would I be happier if they didn't include a dub at all?

I'd still feel the same way. If there are original dubs for these movies they should have gotten them.


But don't you think if there was an original dub available that they would have gotten it, rather than spend a considerable sum to make a new one? It doesn't make economic sense on Funimation's part.

It would be alot to cheaper to just slap the old dub on the release so I don't think they intentionally dissed all the old school dub fans by spitefully not including the track. Either the the dub doesn't exist or it is unobtainable.

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Changing the music!!!!!!! A crime in my book, they should be dragged out behind the barn and shot!!!!

Maybe copyright issues are the reason. We all know how much music is 'borrowed' in some of these movies.


Hey Toad, no disrespect intended, just my opinion is all. As Sheng stated, the Funi release bests the IVL in pretty much every way.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Maybe it was solicited, but never actually recorded?

That is possible.

Do you know if Soul of the Sword shows up on that Library list?

[HAZ]

For Bastard Swordsman, after going through that thread, it seems like that no one had ever seen a dubbed Bastard Swordsman, except for some guy who's info is pretty much all a fabrication. One guy said he saw it in the theater in NYC with english subs. It was offered as a part of a black belt theater package that never came out. It's tough to say, but I think that all points to the dub not existing. It's a matter of opinion, I guess.

I don't think Soul of the sword has any original dub, and I don't think it's on the LOC list, he Shaw list, or in Jumper's list of dubs.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Dammit. I was hoping for some sort of good news. Somebody needs to buy the boots and see if they really have the dubs. Who's it gonna be?:crossedlips:

[HAZ]

The boot is subbed.

[make believe]

The boot is subbed.

There was an obvious boot on EBAY recently that said it had the english dub. It looked like some Red Sun nonsense so it could have been an old dub.

Also how is it lame not to want to buy the Funimation release if it doesn't have the dub you want? Some people want the old english dub and if Funimation doesn't offer that and they try to pass off some new dub nobody will care about , screw them. I'm still waiting to hear if they at least got the right chinese track on it or not.

[The Silver Fox]

There was an obvious boot on EBAY recently that said it had the english dub. It looked like some Red Sun nonsense so it could have been an old dub.

Also how is it lame not to want to buy the Funimation release if it doesn't have the dub you want? Some people want the old english dub and if Funimation doesn't offer that and they try to pass off some new dub nobody will care about , screw them. I'm still waiting to hear if they at least got the right chinese track on it or not.

I think I've already explained my views in my previous post.

[daTOAD]

Could it be possible the audio tracks werent kept in the best shape or are just hard to find. Have been seeing post about just having Mandarin and no Cantonese version ,which is basically the same argument, except you know they exist but just werent added to some R1 releases. Is it poosible for someone with either dvd to post clip of the eng dub? thanks

[HAZ]

No Cantonese on either disc? That's a bit dissapointing.

[bobo]

hi---as this is BASTARD SWORDSMAN and RETURN OF release date can anyone who bought the disc confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have a new dub and music. the reason i ask is , that according to hkflix the english versions are listed as mono---i'm sure if they added a new dub like they did with SOUL OF THE SWORD it would be stereo of some kind. i await your answer. thanks:neutral:

[David Rees]

The soundtrack would be mono / stereo whatever it was released as. They just remove the Mandarin or Cantonese voice track and replace it with an English one, so the voice would always be mono i guess.

[daTOAD]

"Hey Toad, no disrespect intended, just my opinion is all. As Sheng stated, the Funi release bests the IVL in pretty much every way"

True. Our wording shouldnt have to knock others to make our own point. I know people who only watch these films if they have an english dub. Not me , but if thats how they enjoy them cool. Im happy with my ivl picture and the only reason for me to double dip would be the oringinal english dub. I own the ivl Disciples of 36 chambers ,but since DD has it with an original dub ill pick it up again. It should go without saying that everybody in R1 area supports R1 releases so if you dont own it already its highly recommended.

[daTOAD]

"No Cantonese on either disc? That's a bit dissapointing."

My fault HAZ, i really didnt make myself clear, I was talking about R1 releases in general. I dont know if BS has cantonese or mandarin lang.

[HAZ]

"No Cantonese on either disc? That's a bit dissapointing."

My fault HAZ, i really didnt make myself clear, I was talking about R1 releases in general. I dont know if BS has cantonese or mandarin lang.

The re-issue of Opium & The KF Master was in Mandarin. No Canto, I think. DD has done the same thing. I've often wondered how many Shaw's have Canto soundtracks. I guess it's kind of like the Bastard Swordsman issue - we don't know conclusively if an og English dub exists, and Celestial won't enlighten us. That much is for sure.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

No Cantonese on either disc? That's a bit dissapointing.

For part 1 I think Mandarin might be the original language. I don't think there's a Cantonese track on any DVDs. For part 2 the Funimation version is the first one I've owned, but if Mandarin is the original language for part 1, I assume part 2 would be the same.

[HAZ]

I think pt 1 had both languages, canto & mandarin, but I might be wrong.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

I think pt 1 had both languages, canto & mandarin, but I might be wrong.

Looking on hkflix, they have 5 versions of part 1 and only the VCD has Canto.

[HAZ]

DDDhouse lists canto & mandarin on DVD for pt 1.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

It says that for the box set, but it doesn't specify what each disc has. And the DVD listing combines it with the VCD once again not saying exactly what each disc has. I used to have the Deltamac DVD. Only Mandarin language.

[Chemical Lemon]

The IVL dvd for Bastard Swordsman only has Mandarin, the IVL dvd for part 2 has both Mandarin and Cantonese

[Jay]

Maybe copyright issues are the reason. We all know how much music is 'borrowed' in some of these movies.

It could be that, but it's more likely they didn't have a clean music track to master from for the dub, as the Mandarin track apparently has the original music.

[daTOAD]

Begining to believe Jumpers list was correct. When these dubbers are interviewed, how come theyre asked about specific films instead of "Did you dub all the Shaw movies?" simple.

[make believe]

I don't get how movies that were supposed to be cantonese get released on disc, especially from a company like IVL who of all people should have the cantonese track, release it with a mandarin track only. Did the original track just mysteriously vanish like that?

[Morgoth Bauglir]

How do you know it is intended to be watched in Cantonese? Because I have no idea how to tell.

The Supreme Swordsman IVL doesn't have a Cantonese track, so most likely the Funimation DVD won't either. I'm just throwing that out there:tongue: