READ BEFORE YOU TRADE-Sellers and traders to avoid.

[Linn1]

Please feel free to list bad traders here. Please list screen names and real names. No exact address or phone numbers please.

[ShaolinChamberDotCom]

I was ripped off in a trade by this bastard!

I sent him a Original LEGEND OF A FIGHTER..and was suppose to get the IVL SHAOLIN TEMPLE...after receiving a bunch of execuses and a email stating that my movie "was sent" ... I never received it. Since then he has ignored my emails.


areseelong@yahoo.com

Ryan Long
Rochester,

[iron flag]

Grandmaster Video...2 DVD-R´s,completely unwatchable.

[Markgway]

Only been ripped off once... it was on another board but I'll post his name here anyways.

Name: Raymond Yee
Location: Canada
Known user names: Ryee, Jeemun.

[limubai2000]

Bluetourist... he has his own thread!

[iron flag]

Lim, do you remember the name of that e-bay seller that we both had problems with? :rolleyes

[hanak]

Bleuterrorist

[limubai2000]

On Ebay - Foreign_Movie_Buff --- His shipping is horrible!

[iron flag]

Thats the one. Took over a Month and countless e-mails(with my favorite response: We dont respond to e-mails) before I got my DVD's.

[platinumrich]

foreign movie buff

yeah...i had a problem with him too. i bought the legend of zu set,and he only sent me 1 of the 2 movies.and he said the same crap about e-mails,sending me to his site where i had to register and @#%$ just to get my other movie.but...he eventually sent the other one.

[GwaiLoMoFo]

Ill add to the Foriegn Movie buff bad experiences as well. Loooooong shipping and slow responses. DVD I bought was not listed right (format & Reg code), but was able to select a diff title which I rec. much faster. His listings state items ship from the US, but I believe he is more of a middle man for somebody overseas. As my items were shipped from China, not US. Hence, the slow shipping.

*Update*
foriegnmoviebuff has nowed changed his feedback status on ebay to (PRIVATE)!! Anytime you see this, you know to avoid that seller.

[drunkenmaster74]

By request, the post discrediting Hanak has been removed.

[limubai2000]

I've received a few ezboard emails asking me if -

drunkenmaster74 = bluetourist

I'm starting to think so...

[lady whirlwind]

Yes Limubai. I'd certainly agree that Drunkenmaster74 is just the dreadful Bluetourist back again. You only have to see his two posts in this section to know what's what. One slags of Hanak, who Bluetourist ripped off, and who's known to be a good egg here (especially with his ANGRY HERO subtitling work). The other praises Bluetourist in exactly the same terms (and using the same wording) that were used here before by mystery 'socks' that suddenly appeared when Bluetourist came under fire originally for ripping guys off.

So it's safe to say that Drunkenmaster74 is Bluetourist back again. Clearly the initiation of this bad trader thread (launched directly because of Bluetourist's numerous scams), worked, as Bluethief felt under enough pressure to change his handle. But we're on to you again. Now we all know to steer clear of Drunkenmaster74!

But I think the mods should remove the fake negative posting against Hanak in this thread, as that's not fair to the guy.

[Kwok Choi]

Please note that we will delete any titles advertised for sale here on dvd r that are presently being officially distributed by the following companies:
CELESTIAL
MEI AH
PANORAMA
UNIVERSE
MEDIA BLASTER
HONG KONG LEGENDS
SOULBLADE
DRAGON VIDEO
VENGEANCE VIDEO
PREMIER ASIA
MEGA STAR
MIA
METRO TARTAN
EDKO
FOX
COLUMBIA AND ALL OTHER VIDEO LABELS etc that currently own the rights and are presently distributing their movies on dvd.

[justkungfuman]

drunkenmaster74
Bluetourist


I believe they are one in the same.
Check all there post, the way of the use of caps and the way it is written. May be wrong but don't think so

Most of the problems I had with poor sellers and Traders were when I was dealing on Ebay!!
Never had any problem with the people I trade with on the forum..
That is because I found people I can trust to trade with over the years and they know who they are, I added there names on the post for people who are good traders and sellers.

[Tashu]

They are the same!:evil

[vlade2002]

Well, we need not worry. Somthing tells me, they won't be back in a hurry :)

fabhui helped out, he knows how to get a hold of the tourist, and politely sorted things out. Blue had no choice but to pull is act into gear (but again im still waiting). Alittle too late on the tourists behalf, because Blue and co, won't be back here in a hurry. As I found out via PM from a Moderator.

[johnnydragon]

wished i new about those guys before april still out 2)shaws vcds from them!! unless you like going nuts about getting your movies? order from them. aka moviesville.com

[Tashu]

Is Blueterrorist/Drunken Disaster still here???

Well guys he stole my Kung fu Genius!

and if i have time i will go to england and do something about it!

[hanak]

We just have to post he's home adress here, then we can know good everytime its him. Also i never trade anymore with adresses near that area sorry but can be him also.

@#%$ bleuterrorist

[platinumrich]

anyone ever trade with this guy saint360?

[platinumrich]

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[ozzieny]

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[Markgway]

You can post partial addresses...

FULL NAME
ADDRESS (without number)
CITY
POST CODE (city area)
COUNTRY

That way it saves anyone else being taken in by this clown...

[platinumrich]

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[johnnydragon]

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[KUNGFU MORON]

BLUETOURIST REALY BAD

[teako170]

Never thought I would be posting in this thread, however, I wish to warn my fellow KFF members of the following individual:

ID: "heroes tear"
eBay ID: "all_years_leaving"
Real name: Gav Bonji
Middlesbrough, Cleveland, UK
email: bonji_la@ntlworld.com

This individual posted his intent on selling some mags here and then later on eBay. After auction's end, he defaulted on his end of the bargain and I was forced to file a Seller Non-Performance report with eBay.

A complete summary of the events have been posted here (http://www.teako170.com/fraud.html).

[Markgway]

Real name: Gav Bonji

Isn't that BLUE TOURIST???

[platinumrich]

update:

ok,saint contacted me about 2 weeks ago,and apologized about the deal. he sent me the original movies with some extra's which i have just recieved.

[hanak]

Markgway, yeah thats him.

[ozzieny]

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[Markgway]

Ahh, it's very sad that Ozzieny has chosen to embarrass himself in this way. I was going to let his insulting, accusitory behaviour stay private, but since he's dragged my name into here and made his grudge public, I feel I must respond. I gave Oscar exactly what he asked for in our trade and upon receipt of said items drummed up a load of complaints against most of the eight DVD-Rs sent. Now has anyone here had one bad disc from me let alone five or six? I've saved all Oscar's e-mails as well as my responses so unless Oscar retracts his defamatory statement I may be forced to make them public so you can see for yourselves what has occured. I should also point out that ALL of the items sent to Oscar were via trades from users of THIS forum. So basically if you've traded with me recently he maybe insulting your goods. I won't name names at present. To address the main criticisms made: Return of the Chinese Boxer was not duped from a VHS. It was taken from the Crash Cinema DVD. The battered print is not my fault. This was the only question Oscar asked before trading and when I told him about the print he accepted the consequences. Clearly this has slipped his mind since. As for the scratches, I would say that I don't check DVD-Rs because I treat them as dispossible; stop-gaps until a proper DVD comes along. If a disc I received from another trader is scratched then I'm sorry about that and said so in my mails, but the DVD-R played perfect from my standpoint, and even Oscar admitted the disc worked on his machine. I could understand demanding a replacement for a DVD, but a DVD-R of a widely available title? The three-on-one DVD-R is a copy of a budget-priced bootleg package from the US; any flaws with this lie with the original distributor. When I got this DVD-R from a certain trader - no DVD-Rs I trade are made by myself - I made no complaints and understood that he was being ecconomic. Since Oscar asked no questions about any of these titles I have no idea what he was expecting or what exactly he wanted? He chose the titles from a list - the same list you all know - and that was it. Now I get accused of allsorts. At one stage Oscar demanded most of the discs be replaced. I explained the situation - much as I'm doing now - and he relented, commenting that actually a couple of them weren't so bad after all (apparently it was my fault that The Fast Sword has occasionally jitters!) Now he just wants three (or is it two now) replaced? I felt that due to the nature of the trade - he sent me copies of films from the likes of VideoAsia, including 2-on-1 jobs I never asked for - it was not reasonable to request compensation. I made no complaint about the very issues he criticised me for. Clearly it was one rule for him and another much harsher one for me. If Oscar had asked in advance about multiple discs - which are commonplace these days: see HK Flix - I would have told him truthfully. He didn't. Anyone who trades with me knows I always give honest answers and opinions on the stuff I trade. Oscar is punishing me for not doing his own homework. The only element that I am guilty of is not checking DVD-Rs to look for scratches - something I'll try to do from now on. I said to Oscar - and this is something he didn't mention, natch - that if he had any trouble playing The Return of the Chinese Boxer I would send something in its place. I tried to be reasonable in my reponses and withheld my irritation as much as I could, but what can you say when someone tells you to "stick your discs up your ass"???

[vlade2002]

Alright, Markgway isnt a bad trader. We all have little ups and downs in trades.

Theres no reason to say those things. I did a trade with him a few times, and lots of others. Nobody is 100%. We move on, and keep trading.

Can't give the guy a bad name after a few communication problems now, its not like one guy was payed good money and other guy never recieved the goods, or got a completely different title (bootleg or whatever).

My thoughts in general.

Some people simply can't trade, they don't have common sense. Maybe its poor upbringing, or maybe they don't have a clue how to treat people (and thats very sad). Those people end in big trouble eventually, if your going around ripping people off and screwing them around, and taking them for granted, or! thinking you can do what ever you want (due to arrogance) - then good luck, because someday it will come straight back at ya, and much worse.

[vlade2002]

I'd like to also point out. The section were I wrote - My thoughts in general (thats got nothing to do with ozzieny or Markgway) they are my normal everyday thoughts.

As you can see, my comments to ozzieny were reasonable. Some people just can't reason, and usually the alternative is not good (a pity, I can't give you an example).

Keeping the bishop happy! thats what its all about ozzieny, bringing it public will only involve everyone else. The thing is :) Markgway is a respectable member, and been here for years like myself. I have been informed about the whole situation in PM's. I'll keep posting my thoughts since I Payed my dues (ezSupporter) I like to get what I payed for, and then some... if you know what I mean :p

[ozzieny]

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[vlade2002]

I hope you sort it out. Why doesn't he just refund you the money, and you return the goods. Start fresh, or somthing.

I'd ask for a refund. Markgway, thats reasonable isnt it. Theres no point going on about it all day, obviously ozzieny isnt happy - and I wouldn't ignore that if I was the dealer. I like for people to be happy for what they recieve, if they don't like (for whatever reasons) I can't argue about it, just make them happy, help them out (thats just me).

Thats all I can say on this matter now, and lets not get all nasty on each other - theres other issues, i'll see you around the boards :)

Have a nice weekend.

[Markgway]

For the record: I did not "recruit", "ask", "encourage", "suggest" or "cajole" Vlade into posting anything on my behalf. His comments were made entirely of his own volition. Unfortunately it does appear from Vlade's wording as though I may have done just that, but this is certainly not the case as I'm sure Vlade will confirm. I need no one to fight my battles. My response was worded well and made any points that had to be made. Because you chose to ignore them is not my look out. You, Oscar, are not a reasonable trader. I admitted my error in not checking the discs for scratches, and informed you that I would replace any item that didn't work (something you continually neglect to mention here). Did you even try Return of the Chinese Boxer? My offer still stands. But when someone blasts me via e-mail for sending a bunch of crap, when the majority of the discs were fine, you can understand my reticence to sucumb to bullying in an attempt to force replacements (a refund isn't applicible Vlade because I never paid for anything). As for Vlade's comment that I told him the whole story... I'm not sure what he meant because I hardly eloborated on what was posted above and only mentioned it AFTER Vlade had posted here. Again, Vlade will back this up. At any rate, Oscar, your attempts to demonise me over a difference of opinion are pathetic and everyone here knows it. I don't expect you to edit your remarks because you're presumably 47 going on 9 but at least go easy on Vlade, who's (misguided) attempt at some sort of mediation is in vain.

[vlade2002]

Yes , i'll confirm I replied on my own. I think thats obvious though, I mean as if Markgway or anyone ask for assistance on this.

There was a simular thing going here with Hanak, and people helped him out. People don't wanto see a fellow trader with a good track record go through this. Marks record is a good one on here, and on other forums.

Markgway isn't the one to call people for help. Its online - sometimes you can't get the right things across, "communication". Sometimes you can't help, and sometimes if you don't try and help you can be part of the problem (so, what do you do).

If you don't act civilized, and if you go on here "name calling" or using bad language, people forget about the issue, and generally don't care about the complaint - its like when your a kid, and you do somthing "naughty" in school, you then come home and get a grilling from your parents, then you swear... as soon as you swear and use some bad language! that becomes the main issue, forget about the trouble you caused at school, language and the way you present your arguement will make or break you :) simple facts of life? maybe, maybe not.

;)

[Markgway]

I originally had no intention of making any negative comment about Oscar regardless of what he sent me quality-wise as long as it played. That's how trading DVD-Rs works. However, popping in the second of the discs Oscar sent me (after Fists of the Double K) has led me to break that self-imposed rule. Oscar berated me in private and public for sending poor quality transfers of Kung Fu films, yet his dupe of Deadly China Doll taken from the Pan Media DVD looks and sounds as though someone has wiped their arse with it! I guarantee it is in worse shape that ANY of the titles I sent. Here's a brief quote from HK Flix: "This DVD has horribly, horribly bad video quality. It is dark and seems to have more scratches than it does actual picture. We are not accepting returns on this DVD." And they sell the damn thing!! For Oscar to take the moral high ground here is a joke - and an offensive, deceptive one at that. Oscar I'm going to give you a chance to remove my name from this list otherwise I will be forced to not only add yours but file a complaint with the moderators due to defamation of character. I have the e-mails, the posts made here and the DVD-Rs as proof. Anyone who's seen Pan Media's Deadly China Doll will of course know what I'm talking about. Get your act together Oscar and that's not a request.

[beardy82]

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[justkungfuman]

I think Linn started this post to let others know of Sellers and Traders to avoid. Not to start a personal vandetta against someone. 1 bad trade doe's not mean a person is a bad trader, mostly since you did get what you traded for!!! I mean come on guy's quality on some of these rare classics are as good as your going to get. and also I feel a bad trader or seller is someone who cheats you!! You send money to a seller and you don't get what you paid for, then that's a bad seller. You send your part of the trade and the other person don't then that's a bad trader. Many of us have been ripped off by sellers and traders.
Many of us on this forum know who we want to trade with!!
Actually most of us would trade with someone we have never traded with to find a rare classic to add to our collection. It's a chance we take!!! If it goe's good then we trade with them again and again!!
None of us are perfect, and when it come's to collecting Kung Fu movies none of us can be, quality that is good enough for you may not be good enough for the other person. That's why you as a trader should ask the right questions. Like what's the quality say from 1 to 5 then you can determine weather or not to go through with the trade. Because if you choose to go through with the trade with out asking questions, then it's just as much your fought as it is the person your trading with...


My two cents........

[vlade2002]

Thats exactly right, complete common sense from justkungfumans post. A clear minded, logical response.

Thank you.

[beardy82]

Justkungfuman is indeed right, but my point was that I think it is wrong for any trader to not want to send his trade until his comes in and then not want to give me the copies I wanted because he wasnt happy with his copies he recieved. I just think that is wrong whoever it is. A deal is a deal!!!

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[Knockabout]

Okay I think I'll take Ozzieny's side on this one. I've trade with him, and I've been very satisfied with what I got. He seems to me, to be a honest man, and I can only recommend others to trade with him as well.
(I haven't traded with either Markgway or Beardy82, so this is nothing personal)..

I just thought I would give you all my views of some of the things discussed here.

Beardy82: I agree, it's wrong to change the terms of a deal after only one of the involved has fulfilled his part.. BUT.. When you say that you've no problem with sending your discs for Ozzieny to check out, before he sends you your discs, even I would be a bit hesitant NOT to change the deal, when 5 of the discs I checked out wasn't working...

Markgway: You did deliver the goods, and as far as I can understand they all worked (in spite of scratches and all), so you definitely DON'T belong on the list of traders to avoid.. BUT.. I do think a GOOD trader would've informed the other recipient about the quality. When you put 3 movies on 1 disc, it'll always hurt the quality..
Secondly, I think you make it sound like Ozzieny is a bad trader because of what you got - ie. Deadly China Doll. That's not the case as I see it, since you probably got a perfect copy of his ORIGINAL Pan Media disc (which apparently is truly horrible, as you pointed out for yourself by citing the HK Flix warning). Therefore Ozzieny can't the blamed for the bad quality on this, because it's simply not his fault (in opposition to the quality reduction you get, when you put 3 movies on 1 disc). You wanted a copy of his Pan Media disc, and you got it - sounds like Ozzieny did his part perfect? And if you're not happy with the result, complain to Pan Media - NOT Ozzieny.

Cheers everybody,
Michael

[ozzieny]

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[Markgway]

Okay I think I'll take Ozzieny's side on this one.

It's not about taking sides. Who said you had to? If your trade with Oscar went well then that's great. I don't think that's anymore relevant than what Vlade posted about me. Because you've not traded with either myself or Beardy I don't see how you can take sides at all.

BUT.. I do think a GOOD trader would've informed the other recipient about the quality. When you put 3 movies on 1 disc, it'll always hurt the quality..

1. Oscar never asked. If he had I would have told him. Oscar also sent me two 2-on-1 discs about which I had no complaints. Same low quality but that's what I expected from a DVD-R trade. 2. The DVD-R was a direct copy of a DVD which had three films on one disc. That's how I got it as a trade. I don't copy films myself. Believe it or not I actually thought I was doing good by not asking anything for the bonus films!

Secondly, I think you make it sound like Ozzieny is a bad trader because of what you got - ie. Deadly China Doll. That's not the case as I see it, since you probably got a perfect copy of his ORIGINAL Pan Media disc (which apparently is truly horrible, as you pointed out for yourself by citing the HK Flix warning). Therefore Ozzieny can't the blamed for the bad quality on this, because it's simply not his fault (in opposition to the quality reduction you get, when you put 3 movies on 1 disc). You wanted a copy of his Pan Media disc, and you got it - sounds like Ozzieny did his part perfect? And if you're not happy with the result, complain to Pan Media - NOT Ozzieny.

Please try understanding the facts before posting. If you'd read my post it was meant to be and very clearly was ironic. Oscar sent me a film of worse quality than any of the ones I sent him. I wouldn't have put him on the bad traders list because as you say that's Pan Media's fault not his. Same as the disc he got from me was not my fault yet he choose to vilify me for it. If Oscar says I'm a bad trader then that makes him one too. I knew perfectly well it would be the Pan Media version. Why? Because I did my homework beforehand and asked questions. I know you had a good trade with Oscar but that's really no excuse to jump to conclusions in his favour.

I tried to convey this to Markway and explain my disatisfaction with 2 of the discs he sent me.

You complained about 5 or 6 of the discs I sent you. Then narrowed it down to 2 once you realised you were wrong. I still have those e-mails as proof. Don't make me post them please. The 3-on-1 is a routine DVD-R job which you could have gotten from any trader. Not checking for scratches was my fault and if the disc hadn't played because of that I would have replaced it. How can I be fairer than that? You may be new here but you've caused a lot of trouble over nothing.

I will say the quality was just very very poor and I expected 3 films on three separate discs not 3 films on 1 disk.

Why did you expect that? You sent doubles. I sent one double and one triple. Not ideal perhaps but hardly a crisis. If you had bought the "original" (and I use that word loosely) DVD on-line it would look the same. That's not my fault. If I want single discs I make sure and ask first if that's possible. Never assume and never blame the other trader for your lack of foresight. The quality may well have been poor but having watched them all, none were as bad as Deadly China Dolls, and I have no intention of requesting a replacement or making a fuss or calling you names. Why? Because I know that's not your fault. But with me - you think it is! Unfair.

And the scratched disk just added fuel to the fire.

Not ideal I know. But did you watch the disc? If it plays perfect there's nothing I can do. These are standard forum guidelines.

Everything else Markway did send was well received which I relayed to him and will mention here.

Well that's not what you said at first... only after I explained the situation. You have the right to your opinion but please for sake of fairness don't distort the facts.

Thats why it would have been nice if he could have just gotten over this idea that I was trying to bully him or 'get over' on him.'

That's how it came across. Your e-mails were rude and demanding. What else was I supposted to think? You complained about most of the stuff I sent initially and it made you sound like a chancer. I think most here would have reacted the same as I did.

Since Vlade has come to his support, I am giving Markway the benefit of the doubt and retracting his name from the bad trader list

Don't do it because of outside pressure - do it because it's the right thing to do. I want you to see that I'm not the bad guy. Vlade was trying to be helpful but it's really my explainations and rationalisations you should be listening to.

BUT I still am not pleased with the 2 discs I was sent and his unwillingness to work this out.

As I said in my first e-mail response I'm sorry you're not happy - but hopefully now you can see my position. You may not like my trading methods (which are as routine as I've come across and in fact as open as anyone I've dealt with myself) but that doesn't make me wrong or a bad trader. As far as I see it we're both the same in what we send (scratches aside). Be honest: if I asked you for two films and they were both on the same disc with a third film unasked for would you have said nothing and sent the disc anyways? I think most would.

Obviously there were huge misunderstandings and differences of opinion in the deal between me and Mark. I am not here to be taken advantage of nor am I here to be anybody's whipping boy. I treat others fairly and expect to be treated fairly.

Same here. I'm glad you've decided to remove my name from the list - even if it is for the wrong reasons? - as I never wanted to add yours in the first place. I can't say I'm happy about some of the remaining comments designed to make me look like the rogue without actually saying it, but if I can't change your mind it doesn't really matter...

[ozzieny]

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[Johnnie freeze]

I'm *not* speaking about any specific situation mentioned here, but perhaps some general guidlines might be a good idea.
The basics that everyone can agree on are bad sellers/traders are people who keep your money/discs/tapes and don't send the goods in return, but maybe there is a grey area that should be considered....{again, Im not speaking on any situation discussed in this thread} There are some who may be deliberatly miseading- they tell you a movie is DVD quality but what you'll end up with is an old video tape copy that they recorded from TV onto their Betamax, then dubbed later to VHS, and later transferred to DVD R. Just because this person sent "something" doesn't let them off the hook, and they should be warned against. {People who trade old VHS transfers are not bad traders as long as they're honest}
Then there is simple miscomunication that is no one's fault....you do a trade for "Shaolin Challenges Ninja" assuming that its Celestial, but what you get is Ground Zero. This can be disappointing, but no one is really to blame. You didn't ask, and they didn't say. It would be nice if the person who gave you GZ would compensate, but they are not obligated to. No big deal, all it cost you was a 40 cent DVD R. Move on.
Quality is also subjective, one person's "Excellent" may be another person's "good". If there is a flick that you MUST have in certain condition, best to see screen shots and make up your own mind.
People also have different agendas in DVD R trading.....some only care about viewing movies they've never seen, then either throwing the disc out or trading it when they're done. They dont really care much about condition as long as it plays, while others are using DVD Rs as their main collection and buy very little. This group will want the best of the best. However, no one should be held accountable for poor quality put out by some studio.
Bottom line: Know the person you are trading with, and what their expectations are.
Peace!
J.F.

[Markgway]

Well Mark, it seems anything anyone has to say about this falls on deaf ears with you.

Not so. If anything it's the other way round. I've explained until I'm blue in the face my reasons but you refuse to accept them. What more can I say? You got it into your head that you've been ripped off when you haven't and refuse to back down or admit error - is it because you think it shows weakness? Admitting a mistake shows strength of character. That's why I admitted that I should've checked for scratches on that Chinese Boxer DVD-R and why if it didn't play I would bear responsibility. You refuse to admit any wrong doing even though the print of Deadly China Doll you sent was rank and worse than any copy I sent you. You also sent multiple discs but never mentioned it and bizarrely refuse to even acknowledge it when I brought it up. It's frustrating that you choose selective memory to prove your point whereas I've been honest about everything and every step of the way.

As Vlade pointed out earlier I was not happy about those 2 discs you sent. Period. I feel I was shorted out of 4 films. You sent me 1 disc with 3 films on it that just looks terrible. What dumb luck on my part to choose 3 films from your list that end up being a triple feature.

Not sure what Vlade has to do with it but I'm aware you weren't happy with the quality of those two discs. One - the triple feature - was not my fault - and for the record you asked for two of the films on that disc not three. The third was extra. The scratches although not done by me should have been checked and I accept resonsibility for that. However, the disc plays, which in my book makes a replacement (even if I could lay my hands on one) uncessesary. So that's three films you "were shorted" and three films I've explained away. You have no argument left yet you continue to paint me as the bad guy and yourself as the victim of a rogue trader.

I can understand your point with this particlar disc. Its a triple feature and comes as it does. But you really should list this disc as a triple feature because it absolutely looks terrible and the quality of the picture degenerates all three films badly.

Well that's a fair point, actually, and a valid suggestion, which I may take up. But I can safely say that nowhere on your trade list did you mention that any of your discs were multiples. Not that it will be relevant to me in future, but I expect you will amend your own list accordingly. That way our future traders will be able to see up front exactly what they are getting.

Now I have to find these 3 films again from another trader and spend another 3 discs to obtain them.

I take it you've watched the films to see if they even are worth upgrading? (They ARE watchable as I watched them myself) I'm not sure if better versions are available; that's something you'd have to check upon. The way I see it is: if I like any of the films I got from you I too would have to shell out for upgrades to DVD. So it's not as one-sided as you make out.

I would not even trade this to other members it looks so bad.

That's of course your choice, but you traded a worse looking disc to me, so I'm not sure if you're becoming more stringent on quality control, or felt that it was OK to give me something worse than you would accept yourself? That's a bit of fuzzy logic.

Nor would I ever had taken it in the first place had I known these three films were on the same disc. Putting this on your list is like telling a lie by not telling the whole truth.

It wasn't an intentional deception by any means. I thought it would be more convenient to traders to list each title sperately and under their original title. The things I do - agree with them or not - are usually to aid the trader not myself. I never cheat people as I wouldn't want to be cheated myself. I give as I would expect to receive - but you cannot say the same.

Then, Return of the Boxer, for your information, is a transfer from VHS. First, there are no menus, second, it looks very poor just like a VHS transfer, third, at the end of the film a foreign word pops up with arrows that say rebobinar - that means rewind in spanish. I know - I am spanish. I have never seen this on a dvd. But on a VHS ? YEP. Now you may not have caught that but I did.

Here is the DVD the film was taken from (or at least I was under the impression it was taken from) RETURN OF THE CHINESE BOXER (http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.920/qx/details.htm)
I didn't know there was a VHS. I only have one US VHS in my entire collection! It seems POSSIBLE that the DVD-R was taken from a VHS using the same print. I can ask the trader at a later date if you still care. I used to have a copy of the Crash DVD myself (a different one) and I recall the film looking exactly the same. Can anyone else comment on this for clarification?

But regardless of your insistence on it being a copy from an original dvd, which it isnt, the disc itself was badly badly scratched. I dont care if it played. I didnt want it in that condition and again you justified your position with a tough luck on my part position.

So you admit it does play? I can't give you a free film becuase of surface scratches on a DVD-R. That's unreasonable. If it had been an original DVD then that would be different. But a disposible copy... would any other trader here expect a replacment because of surface scratches? I know I wouldn't. I'm sure you won't thank me for my help, but I found this link to a box set containing THREE films on DVD including Return of the Chinese Boxer: BOX SET (http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.533285/qx/details.htm)
It's decent value and all three prints are listed as letterboxed -presumably the same as the individual releases and on seperate discs.

And its quite unfair to use China Doll as a comparison. Yes China Doll looks like crap but its the only print available ---thats why anyone I trade with here scoops it up and is happy to have it.

But you made no mention of the fact before trading. Why? If I, unlike yourself, hadn't checked beforehand, I could have expected something in great condition. I don't see how that's different at all. Just because the films I sent are more common, which is debatable, doesn't mean it's OK for you assume that a cruddy print is good enough for me but not for you. Can't you see the hypocrisy?

I paid $10 for it because no one had it here. Now, many have it because I have dispersed it to many, including yourself.

Hey, I'm not complaining. I knew what I was getting because I checked. I'm just making a point. Incidentally, here's a link to the DVD for anyone who still wants it! DEADLY CHINA DOLL (http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.531001/qx/details.htm)

As far as starting trouble for nothing, I did nothing of the sort. I attempted several times to work this out with you and you have refused. I posted what I felt I needed to because of your reluctance to be considerate on this matter.

You mailed me several times, I responded several times. Because you did not get what you wanted, you posted here in the hopes of either embarrassing me, defaming me, or both? This was bang out of order and something usually reserved for thieves. You publicly dragged my name through the mud for what is essentially a difference of opinion. The irony is: had you put it to rest and said "please check /inform me next time" not only would I have done that, but I might have even thrown in a couple of freebies by way of apology. But your first mail straight of the bat was accusitory, impolite and cheeky in your DEMAND for compensation. You didn't just complain, as is anyone's right, you demanded I give you free items. Anyone would have acted the same as I. And had the situations been reversed I would not have acted as you did toward me. You made an enemy out of me for no good reason and dragged it on the forum; and to me that's sad.

Again, even Vlade agrees that this matter should not be getting all this attention here.

I think we should stop referencing Vlade and Beardy and Knockabout. They have opinions, fine. But it's nothing to do with them. This is between us and should have stayed that way.

All you had to do was work this out - send me a few films in exchange on a future trade or work something out some way that would have been satisfactory. But you just continue to be inflexible.

"HAD". That sounds infelixible doesn't it? Be honest: the only resolution that would have suited you is getting exactly what you wanted and I couldn't do that. I did not steal from you and a simple "I don't want to trade with you again because I'm not happy" would've sufficed. That's your choice. But you just couldn't stand not getting your own way and set out to punish me in public. That much is blatantly obvious.

I removed your name from this bad list because I felt others who you have dealt with came to your aid just as some came to my aid.

I neither wanted, not needed, nor asked for anyone to make excuses for me. It's a pretty poor show that you removed my name only because your felt others ganging up on you rather than because it was the right thing to do. All you've really done is reword your original post to say the same damn thing!

It still does not excuse you in my eyes regrading these 2 discs and 4 films which I have lost out on.

I need no excuses -- and again, three films.

Johnnie freeze made a good point to me earlier. He stated "you take the good with the bad". That is a valid point but I would probably have done that if I had other substantial trades with you or if you would have at least been more considerate. But you werent so I didnt. This was the first major trade we had and I just felt you were pulling a fast one on me and I didnt appreciate it and still dont.

That's exactly how I felt.

Had it been the other way around I would have made my point and just given you what you wanted to make you happy. And that would have been the end of it. Thats my way.

So why the confrontation straight away? You acted as though I was sitting at home laughing manically whilst stroking Blofeld's Cat. I get nothing out of this!! If it's a con on my part then it's the worst one ever. Trust me: if I were to con something I would do a much better job. Know that. I've never cheated anyone in four years of trading and this is the first time I've been accused of anything like. I hope that in itself makes you proud.

[Markgway]

Wise words from Johnnie Freeze. Everything you say is sensible and I would trade by those guidelines.

[ozzieny]

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[Markgway]

Yeah, that's a great response. How many seconds did it take to think it up? Change the subject and have another stab. Much better than actually answering my points. This conversation is obviously dead on arrival. :rolleyes

For the record I've amended my thread to reflect some of the just criticisms here. Oscar thinks I'm a bad trader - thus I say the same about him. Nothing else more to say.

[Johnnie freeze]

Wise words from Johnnie Freeze. Everything you say is sensible and I would trade by those guidelines.

Thanks for the compliment. I'm no authority on the subject, I was only hoping things could end on a positive note but....!:\

[Markgway]

You don't need to be an authority to speak common sense. As a trader you have as much right to speak as anyone else. As for ending on a positive note... it'll never happen. I wrote a thorough response which I doubt Oscar read (hopefully others will before they judge me on the say so of one unreasonable customer) instead choosing to take another swing. I think he's already shown himself up enough. Nothing much I can do about it. Anyone who's traded with me knows my reputation and that's good enough for me.

[GwaiLoMoFo]

J Freeze makes good points. No sense dwelling on somethig so trivial (.40$ discs). I believe this horse is beaten, dead, rotten and begining to smell. We learn form bad experiences (our own and others) an move on. I have traded with all individuals mentioned with perfect results. And will continue to do so. Everybody have a great day!!:D

[Chen Zhen]

wow.......this is quite a drama.....who needs daytime TV?!?

[Isfahani]

For teh record, I have dealt with Markgway before and was perfectly happy...

[jumper5836]

I traded 4 movies and sent him in Sept 16 a copy of my redubs of
Crippled Avengers
Heaven and Hell
Shaolin challenges Ninja
Three Evil Masters

He then doesn't send out the ones we agreed to trade for, so he waits and receives the 4 movies I sent.
October 7 he writes to me complaining that crippled avengers has distracting audio noise and that my redubs are not up to his official standards.
At this time he still hasn't send me anything and he tells me he will send the stuff I wanted.
I reviewed the audio noise and it was from the original english audio track on the Crash Cinema dvd. Had nothing to do with my redub job.

Oct 15 he writes to me Sorry, he is busy and hasn't sent anything

Nov 7 he write to me Sorry, he is busy and now he says he won't send me the dvds he has redubbed because they will be released in the US.
And to request another movie. So I am understanding okay who cares I was only interested to see his work that he thinks is so much better then mine.
I then request titles that are just old english dubs. None of his redubs and nothing that’s too rare or perfect.

Jan 12 I am wondering why nothing has ever shown up
I send I a email
Wow! I can't believe you still havn't responded to my email or send me
anything.
This is amazing!


Jan 13 he writes back and tells me my stuff is in the trash

hi,

no problem. just as amazing as your dubs. i watched them all to the most
part and can say - i hope my tips have helped you improved to get them
to a watchable standard now. they're all in the trash btw , sorry to say
that.

you're not forgotten...people like me or say for example Linn1, have
lots of work on our hands and we need some time BEFORE we get to our
hobbies... as hard as it may be to believe for folks with much free time
on their hands.

i won't forget you..no worries.
ms



Today I am upset, am I entitled to being pissed or can someone actually have no time in the 4 months to send me the stuff we traded for. Give me a f***ing break.
This guy is a dishonest @#%$ and has no honor at all.

[Chen Zhen]

interesting..i'd definetely be upset about that as well...

[silver hermit]

to recive and not send is dishonest a deal is a deal. he should honor your deal even if he don't like what you do. IMO

[strutr74]

WOW, What an ASSH&*E!!! He says he doesn't have the time to send you out the 4 dvds he owes. And uses he is as busy as LINN as an example. Give me a break. I work 50 hours a week and do Several trades at the same time. What a loser!!!!

Ps. I always see him down others work? Has anyone seen his so-called expert stuff?? Didn't think so :rolleyes

[cdvickers]

He had enough time to watch the four or your movies, but he doesn't have time to send yours, thats just a line of garbage.

Also to suggest that he is too busy to make time for his hobbies is outrageous. I understand that we all have jobs or go to school, or have something other them hours of free time to watch and burn kung fu movies. But if you don't have the time to complete a 4 movie trade, then don't make any trades!

[Chen Zhen]

two weeks is one thing, but 4 months is ridiculous!

[vlade2002]

Sounds exactly like an experience I had awhile back on this forum. Exactly as Silver Hermit put it - You must honor the deal! thats all there is to it... regardless of what you recieve.

I have bought and delt so many times, and often the tape I get isnt exactly what I expected, but I will always go through with the deal!

I like to keep a good track record, so I can actually trade with other people, rather then getting abusive emails or other nonsense - what a waiste of time.

:)

[hammyhamster27]

Yes I'd be pissed too. Glad I never traded or will ever trade with him sounds kidda smug to me

[hammyhamster27]

but i'm only going on what you say thats all

[vlade2002]

And my experience, and about 30 other people on this message board. I can't believe he's still allowed to post here...

[Chen Zhen]

wow...i didnt realize his track recored was that shady..

[vlade2002]

Yeah, well I think he's been having good trades as of late. Theres been no complaints lately, he seems to be doing the right thing, so props to the guy.

[shaolindogpaw]

this seller sells bulk kung fu dvd movies on ebay, most of them are worthless crap, but i bought the lot of movies just because 9 jackie chan movies were advertised, and i like JC. So i ordered in december...finally got the movies in feburary! when i got them...no jackie chan movies, only 8 of them were kung fu movies, the rest were really bad samurai movies and a couple starring M.C. Kung fu, when i told the seller this they said theyd reship the J.C. movies, i still havnt gotten anything and its march now, and the seller gave me a negative feedback(avoid this buyer at all cost horrible bidder) after i gave them one for not sending the right movies. i hate ebay now, i feel that if you buy something and pay immediatly you have fullfilled your part and deserve a positive feedback...these scumbags wait and see if you give them a negative then in spite give you a negative even if youve been patient for 4 f-ing months. DO NOT BUY FROM THIS SELLER, unless you want to pay 80 bucks for the longest headache youve ever had.

[Markgway]

ebay has loads of genuine sellers... but is also a haven for crooks and bootleggers... ebay don't give a @#%$ as long as they get their commission... all you can do is try to look for reliable sounding sellers (see positive feeback) and never pay more than you can afford to lose...

[ozzieny]

Hi Shaolindogpaw ---Did you use paypal to pay for it? Paypal wil refund your money if you make a complaint if they research it and agree with your claim. It sounds to me this would be an open and shut case. Paypal doesnt play around. You would get your money back in a heartbeat. I would also complain to ebay and declare the seller is dishonest. They can take action and shut him down. Ebay can only do so much but ebay thru paypal can ensure quality transactions. If you dont have it get it.

[johnnydragon]

but i won romance the 3 kingdoms dvd-9's, 84 eps
i the guy says they got stolen in china. so i told him, even though i didn't use pay pal to send it. to send the refund to my account. he replied that he's refunding the orders the way they were won. theres 3 or four others but your right everything is for the sellers not the buyers after 60 days they don't want to get involved in a dispute so two day's left
so i have to file a dispute or they won't do @#%$ i searched
the site and everything is for the SELLERS AND OSCAR
E-BAY OWN'S PAY PAL! I ONLY USE IT OUT OF THE U.S

[spannick]

his Versions were piss poor, and he wanted to use my Dubs for fareast Pirate's RED SUN Bootlegs. no way.

[beardy82]

his Versions were piss poor, and he wanted to use my Dubs for fareast Pirate's RED SUN Bootlegs. no way.

Hey there little buddy!! U must be on some serious crack brother!!! Talking junk about Jumper5836's work he has done for us fans. In no way at all do his movies suck!!! U claim to have superior work u have done....but where they at?? I dont recall anybody seeing your work. If anybody sucks, it's u buddy. There's is no reason to talk @#%$ on somebody especially when its about their work they took time on to do. U must live a shitty life and u take it out on others. Shame on yourself. :smokin :smokin :smokin BE COOL!!!

[Linn1]

U claim to have superior work u have done....but where they at?? I dont recall anybody seeing your work.

actually you can look at nearly every quality release in Germany and see examples of the excellent work being done by Spannick. He also helped out on Soulblade's recent Secret Rivals release. While he may not have responded in a "friendly way" so to speak, the man has the cred to comment.

[beardy82]

thanks for the info Linn. why does he gotta be nasty like that towards jumper???

[silver hermit]

lung fei 90
man it has been way too long and now you choose to ingore my e mails. thats fine

now i want my money back. a full refund of the 750 US$ i send you so long ago( sept 2004)
this is an exerience i wish to put to an end.

there is no reason in this world to justify what you have done in my case.

last year when you surfaced again and started selling your lobbys on e bay and mentioned in on the board i contacted you an stated that i'll have someone drop by to pick up my stuff. it wasn't a problem guess what i'm still waiting. so when you see this i want my money back there is no excuse you could tell me after this time. no way

its now a matter far past the point of return i want my $ back

[collecting history]

Still waiting for 500$ item from Pierre Collart of France....

Nicola Formola of Italy (sends different items than we agree upon , uses another name for return address etc)

[VonHumboldtFleischer]

I sent 18 DVD-Rs to OzzieNY on May 4th. At this time he told me he was moving house, and that I should send the DVDs to his sister's address. They arrived about a week or so later.

I've sent a few reminders over the long, long months, but hadn't really heard from Ozzie until 22 September, when he said he'd finally send them out. I said that was fine. All this time, I hadn't once complained about him by name or badmouthed him on the board.

Just now, however, I got an email from him saying that most of the DVDs I sent him won't copy, and that he's only going to send me 7 DVDRs for the 18 I sent him. Over four months ago.

[ozzieny]

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[VonHumboldtFleischer]

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[ozzieny]

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[beardy82]

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[Chen Zhen]

not to instigate anything, but personally, a defective disc to me is one that either doesnt play, or one that freezes up somewhere. if the quality of the disc is bad, 99x out of 100 its because the source of which the dvdr was ripped from was no better. i wouldnt consider a disc that cant be copied as a defect.

just my 1 2/3 cents.

[BrotherShaw]

Chen Zhen I agree, but 4 months to getting around to tell someone their dvds are defective is very transparent who the irresponsible party is.

If I had to cast my vote, the innocent person is the one who sent the dvds first. The receiver should respond in "reasonable" time to let the other person know of any defects and allow him to make it right. If they are defective, it is most likely unintentional. Give them a chance to make it right. Waiting 4 months to respond seems very suspicious, even if your excuse was that you were moving to the moon and hadn't settled in yet.

[Chen Zhen]

word up BrotherShaw, i wasnt trying to defend that 5 month lateness in the slightest.

personally i dont like th eidea of one person "holding out" until he gets the discs..and THEN sends out his discs. the discs shouldve both left at relatively the same time. even if there are defects, he should shouldnt change the trade, he should let the sender of the defex fix it out..so that everybody still gets what they want.

[Markgway]

Sorry to have to do this, but I'm adding TANGOWIND to the Bad Trader's Thread.

Please see my dedicated thread for details.

[zhunaid]

flashlegsrare.com
bunch of crroks
the saying goes

"BY HOOK OR BY FLASHLEGSRARE"

[Shaolin Dog Paw]

this section has been slow lately

[tigerstyles]

Keung94


never sends discs or pays for items received

[houndslow]

hello please can you add beardy to the bad trader list

[Chinatown Kid]

I hate to have to do this as well but I still haven't gotten my movies from Beardy so must add him to this list. If the movies do ever show up I'll remove my post here but I'm still not happy with the way he handled our trade. :(

[snovs]

It's now 3 months that I am waiting to get my 15dvd's from Beardy,after I sent dvd's in february there was no reply from him,than I got few messages in Beardy's name from Tokenganja Clan-something like Beardy's friend had accident,he is taking care of him,they dont have dvd burner,blah,blahblah ,he-Tokenganja Clan will copy dvd's for me aand will send them and than...not even reply from him!!!!For the rest of You,honest traders,avoid those 2 guys:

BEARDY (B.Long) and
TOKENGANJA CLAN

[achiever]

I never dealt with the guy, but he MAY be the all-time bad trader. Seems he fell off the face of the planet while still owing on 10+ trades.

Hope he's still alive.

[Tokenganja Clan]

Hey, i have nothing to do with Beardy's trades. How can i be a bad trader when i just started trading? I just sent out movies to people that i am trading with. I tried to get in touch with Brian to get his movies and help the people out that he owes movies to. He just keeps giving me the run-around.

[snovs]

Yes,but You said that You will copy movies for Beardy and send them to me,also You wrote that dvd's are copied for all others that are waiting,not only for me and that You will do it and than nothing for months.After long time I sent You a message and You even didnt reply on that message.

[ToddTheRef]

Many months ago I had to go public on the forum and let everyone know how Beardy tried to steal my DVD's and the money he had originally paid for them. Despite his protestations that it was all a "misunderstanding", I knew exactly what was going down, and I knew my only chance at getting my DVDs back was to publicly shame him on this forum. He did eventually send my DVDs back after SIX MONTHS of constant harrassment from me, and after he read some of his fellow board members' negative comments toward him on his behavior as I described it. Despite the fact that he never did send the $15 he promised to me to reimburse the Paypal fees I incurred as a result of the chargeback, at least I got my movies back, so I only ended losing $15 total, and about 80 hours of time dealing with the situation.
The whole situation soured me to this board, and I rarely even look at it anymore, despite the fact that I have a ton of original Celestial and other DVDs I wanted to sell off.
I would like to thank everyone whose comments forced the thief to send me back my DVDs, and I'd like to give a big EFF YOU to the select few who called me a whiner and stuck up for Beardy. Strangely enough, with all the recent posts about Beardy's typical atrocious behavior, these select few jerks have been strangely silent- imagine that.
Anyway, as I never posted to this thread, I am officially adding Beardy as the worst experience I have ever had on the internet, and I have had some bad ones.

One more thing guys- LEARN FROM THE PAST. I guarantee you Beardy will be back at some point, apologize to everyone with some lame excuse, and then start looking for more trades. Once a thief, always a thief...
Sorry for the downer post, just wanted to give my concluding thoughts on the matter. Thanks.

[Chinatown Kid]

Well he can keep his apologies and his movies as far as I'm concerned because I'll never trade with him again.

[HANZOSTEEL]

Can someone please post his address so if he changes his name he cannot trade here any
more under another name. Beardy always told me to keep it real so i dont think he would
mind me being real about this. If your scared pm me his address ... and ill post it. It was fun
trading with him really but this ''AINT'' cool bro!

[beardy82]

B. Long
623 Virginia Ave.
Rochester, PA 15074


I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE WHO I STILL OWE MOVIES TO. YES, I HAVE NO EXCUSE BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE SENT ME THERE PACKAGE ON TIME. THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER MY WAY, SO EVERYONE SHOULD BE GETTING THEIR PACKAGES. TOKENGANJA TRIED TO GET MY ASS MOTIVATED TO DO WHAT WAS RIGHT, BIT I WASNT HEARING IT. SO DONT PUT NO BLAME ON HIM.

I WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH CHINATOWN KID, SNOVS, VONHUMBOLDFLIECSHER TO STRAIGHTEN THINGS OUT.

I DONT CARE IF NO ONE WANTS TO TRADE WITH ME ANYMORE. I GOT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO TAKE OF IN MY LIFE.

AS FOR TODDTHEREFF!!! U CAN SUCK MY BALLS U LITTLE PRICK!! GO BACK AND CRAWL IN YOUR MOMS WOMB!!

[beardy82]

Since were playing the name game, i will add Tigerstyles. I believe he owed me movies since the end of 2006! He can keep his movies and use them as ornaments!!

[snovs]

Great news!But I really do hope that I will get my dvd's! >:

Here is the list to remind You:

Adventures In Kigan Castle
Brutal Story at the End of the Tokugawa Shogunate
Daredevil in the Castle
Destiny’s Son
Festival of Swordsman
Hunter in the Dark – FarEastFlix
Red Shadow
Samurai vs. Bandit Squad
Shinobi No Mono
Whirlwind
Rise Against the Sword
Samurai Vendetta

[Tokenganja Clan]

dont worry guys, i will help beardy get his movies out to u.

[ToddTheRef]

<I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE WHO I STILL OWE MOVIES TO. YES, I HAVE NO EXCUSE BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE SENT ME THERE PACKAGE ON TIME. THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER MY WAY, SO EVERYONE SHOULD BE GETTING THEIR PACKAGES. TOKENGANJA TRIED TO GET MY ASS MOTIVATED TO DO WHAT WAS RIGHT, BIT I WASNT HEARING IT. SO DONT PUT NO BLAME ON HIM.

I WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH CHINATOWN KID, SNOVS, VONHUMBOLDFLIECSHER TO STRAIGHTEN THINGS OUT.

I DONT CARE IF NO ONE WANTS TO TRADE WITH ME ANYMORE. I GOT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO TAKE OF IN MY LIFE.

AS FOR TODDTHEREFF!!! U CAN SUCK MY BALLS U LITTLE PRICK!! GO BACK AND CRAWL IN YOUR MOMS WOMB!! >

As I said, he will come back with some LAME excuse and apology, and will be looking to rip more people off in the future. The sheer number of posts on the topic of this thief should warn you off from ever dealing with him. By the way - "B. Long", his name is Brian, and his mother's name is Ann Long (the name that was used in my dealing with him). I would advise everyone to avoid both names.

As to his closing comments about me, all I can say is spoken like a true dirtball thief. Steal from people, and then insult them. Typical dirtball behavior. Whatever.

[beardy82]

i am not trying to rip people off. i just had put more important things going on in my life than doing what i should of have been doing in giving people there movies. i traded with alot of people before these episodes started to happen. everyone of them went smooth. my life has just started to take the wrong turn the past year and things just arent the same. i know i am wrong and i will get everything taken care of.

toddtheref......u got your movies back..didnt u? yes, that means that i am the one who lost out on our deal. i didnt rip u off!! how can i rip u off when i pay for dvds than have to pay for shipping and send them back. yes, stuff got messed up with the paypal account because of my younger brother. u just dont wanna hear the truth and be an arse about it. every e-mail u sent me u were being a prick about it. then u start saying things about my mom! thats all i got to say about u! dont wanna even think about u..let alone read your posts. have u even posted anything on here about anything related to martial arts besides trading and saying things about other people?

[GwaiLoMoFo]

Did a small trade with Tokenganja Clan. Sent mine out 10 days ago and Ive got nothin. Has not answered my pm attempts either. Guess I shoulda known better than rely on a person named "Tokenganja Clan". Maybe he's to busy helpin Berady. :rolleyes

Btw, "ganja" If you contact me Ill be happy to remove this post.

[Brigadier Chow]

He has'nt answered me in about 2weeks either and our deal has been pending for a month.

[Dahnamics]

same as above

[GwaiLoMoFo]

Maybe the mods can ban this prick before he rips any other honest members off.

[VonHumboldtFleischer]

That's strange. I have a trade pending with Tokenganja too, but he's offered to send me my DVDs first because he doesn't have any trade history.

Maybe we should give it another while before calling in the FBI or anything. There are plenty of reasons why someone wouldn't answer an email for two weeks.

[pressureworld]

I bought some films from Tokenganja that never showed up that was about 5 weeks ago I gave him the benefit of the doubt tried contacting him a few times, he apoligized and said he would send, I still recieved nothing in the mail from him this guy is just here to rip us off BE CAREFUL

[HANZOSTEEL]

LOL you guys are so funny Tokenganja Clan is Beardy of course, Brian is giving you the snake!

Can someone please ban this person BRIAN LONG aka ''Beardy'' aka "Tokenganja Clan" from the forum permantently. He has caused great losses to SEVERAL people and gotten into Multiple instances of terror feedback. This man has been BRANDED with the words "Proven Guilty" from people he has RIPPED OFF. He deserves the forum death penalty on this one im afraid PLS ban this excuse artist permanently from the forum.

He got pegged the first time 5 or 6 people came out of the woodwork, claiming to have been ripped off yes
RIPPED OFF BLIND by him and then he comes in "oh sorry, just polishing my boot's here boys, what's
that i hear. I owe 7 people DVDS?" (instert miscellaneous excuses here) and then...used his FORMER
reputation as a good trusted/trader to make more deals & ripped everyone off again.

Now almost as if a sequal to a Slasher flick he's back under a NEW name "Tokenganja Clan". Fresh and
more improved excuses than before. Im not one of the people he's RIPPED OFF but you can ask him im
sure he will be here to make MORE EXCUSES SOON. It's just i really hate to see someone get screwed
over by people like him. He may have been a good trader ONCE but he isnt anymore.
That was then and this is now...

This isnt a Rape and Rip off swap Brian it's a DVD TRADE usually followed by at least some minimal
respect for the other person.

For example snovs lives in Europe man and you ripped that poor guy off who was HOPING he would
get some DVD'S from you in a trade because he was new to Kung Fu Fandom.

Hey beardy oh... my... god... man PLEASE just shut up and send the people their movies man how
INCREDIBLY lame! Arent you ashamed? Stop making excuses your past excuses they are all 5-7
months late just like your DVD.


Please someone ban him


Traders dont ever trust ANYONE that isnt on the trusted traders list recently.


ALSO
Avoid Tommy September he lives in Japan and sent 4 of my 17 movies with no english option
whatsover, when i aproached him about he backed out of our current trade. Even if you tell him
not to he will still do it. Not only that you have to ''Tip Toe Through The Tulips'' with him because
of the language barrier ... you have to watch it when you are laying down the specifics trust me.

Tommy September gets confused, but i guess i understand that part. Definitely be sure to ask
at least 5 times ''if one of the titles i chose has no english option tell me and i will gladly choose
another''. Tommy September formerly ''bangkok 80'' has a HISTORY of doing this according to
people im trading with NOW that have traded with him. Dont let it happen to you! AVOID THIS
excuse artist.


Avoid Beardy and Tokenganja Clan! Here is his address.

B. Long
XX3 Virginia Ave.
Rochester, PA 15XXX

[ToddTheRef]

Hanzosteel,

I suspected they were one and the same also, as their posts and general way of phrasing things seemed very similar, but I didn't want to suggest it based only on a hunch. I'm just curious, do you know for a fact they are one in the same, or is it a hunch on your part as well? If they really are the same, that is SO low to rip people off under two names its almost beyond belief (and all the while making excuses). I'm glad to hear you weren't one of the thief's many victims.

[Brigadier Chow]

That is a real crackhead tactic if you ask me.:p

[HANZOSTEEL]

Please avoid trading ANY NAME from the address above or below or you will become another VICTIM.
Even once Mr Brian Long decides to change his name again he will not be able to trade on the forum again.
That's why im posting both of the addresses NUMEROUS NUMEROUS people now.. under both names have in
simple trust decided would be great to trade with Brian Long and His ''BS'' 2nd identity and Gotten robbed. Please
make this forum safe from people like that who steal money and Do not care about other people!

Avoid Aliquippa, PA, or Rochester, PA zip code 15001-15074

[fabhui]

Avoid Tommy September he lives in Japan and sent 4 of my 17 movies with no english option
whatsover, when i aproached him about he backed out of our current trade. Even if you tell him
not to he will still do it. Not only that you have to ''Tip Toe Through The Tulips'' with him because
of the language barrier ... you have to watch it when you are laying down the specifics trust me.

Tommy September gets confused, but i guess i understand that part. Definitely be sure to ask
at least 5 times ''if one of the titles i chose has no english option tell me and i will gladly choose
another''. Tommy September formerly ''bangkok 80'' has a HISTORY of doing this according to
people im trading with NOW that have traded with him. Dont let it happen to you! AVOID THIS
excuse artist.


Mmmmmm.....Doesn't sound like the Tommy I know!
I've had a lot of trades with him and anytime I've picked a title that hasn't had any English subs he has emailed me to let me know and given me the choice to choose an alterntaive.

Maybe I've been very lucky in that all of the many trades I have had with him have all gone superbly. Sorry to hear yours didn't....

[HANZOSTEEL]

That's great fabhui, hopefully it doesnt happen to you too. He told me what titles did not have
english as well because he lives in Japan. Unfortunately he did it to me and METALMINX my
freind as well anyway. Keep your fingers crossed man.

[Chinatown Kid]

Well Beardy pm'd me over a week ago, apologized and said he would let me pick ten titles from his new list he was going to send me in a couple days. Well I'm still waiting on that list and don't think I'll ever get it. I've just grown tired of this whole mess and all the unkept promises and just want to move on now. I hope I and all the other traders will not have to deal with such crap in the future. If a person fool's me once, shame on them. If the same person fools me twice, shame on me. I have learned my lesson with certain people. :rolleyes

[snovs]

At the 18.5 Beardy wrote that he will contact all the people who are waiting for a long time...and nothing since now,I know it cause I am one of them >: >: >:
Seems I wont never have my dvd's,its not the point in dvd's+postage money,its not expensive,but I hate that feeling that I was so naive to become a victim of some miserable fraud like Beardy-Tokenganja is.
Moderator,ban them-him form this forum and never let them appear here again!!!

[HANZOSTEEL]

Nobody gets away with Murder like Beardy. I guess the moderators are just going to let it happen
all over again soon. I feel for the victims. I tried to warn everyone, thanks...

[HANZOSTEEL]

Please note there is a SERIAL rip off and excuse artist on the loose on this forum please avoid
the following addresses or you will be victimized by this limelight crusader Brian Long who has
been ousted out the rights of trader-ship. And started to have people send movies to his freinds
house while he himself ''donned'' a new name Tokenganja Clan.

Please be advised. I cannot show the full address it is not permitted but hopefully this is fair
warning enough for now. I tried to put the address but the moderators started crying.

[TheManInWhite]

HANZOSTEEL - Linn1 has warned and now I'm doing the same. Do not post the addresses of the bad traders on this forum. Posting either their real names or ID names are good enough. The bad traders will be dealt with. Thank you.

[HANZOSTEEL]

If you guys are really going to let people like beardy Serial rape and rip off the people of the forum
thats up to you as moderators. I was never ripped off, more over i was tired of hearing people get
ripped off. You guys NEVER did anything about it EVER to protect the forum members you even
deleted my posts warning forum members. I edited the address out and you deleted that too.

Fine im happy believe me but when it starts happening again remember.

[Tommy September]

Still psycho guy around on this forums and keep made up shitty post ? :rollin

[Prodigal Son]

I have to agree with HANZOSTEEL i hope that something is done about Beardy, he ripped me off
on another name i used to ride and felt like leaving the forum because i wasnt expecting that kind
of thing to happen. Saint 360 is another one who "convieniently" disspeared with my @#%$ dvd's
i will never trade again. Ive been buying everything since, well mostly.

[Dahnamics]

Saint 360 is another one who "convieniently" disspeared with my @#%$ dvd's
he's in jail dude. browse the next couple pages of this forum.

[ToddTheRef]

What up, Beardy? Any more excuses or insults you want hurl at those you have ripped off?? Please tell us again how you haven't ripped anyone off, I get a good laugh every time you say that. :lol

[THE BASTARD]

It's all good NEVERMIND ;)

[beardy82]

I know i am wrong for what i have done to the great people on this forum that gave me so much knowledge to the martial arts genre. I admit that i should of known before hand that i couldnt handle all the trades i was doing with the @#%$ that was going on in my life.

My life took a wrong turn the past year and i ended up dragging fellow members down with me by not caring about my trades but trying to deal with getting my @#%$ together.

Trust me, i didnt want none of this to happen. I am not going to sit here and bad mouth people when i know i am wrong. I just hope people on here understand that i really didnt want this to happen and not talk bad about me. I am not talking bad to no one...not even ToddTheRef...i apologize. As for Hanzosteel...i dont know why u are bad talking me? I dont owe u any movies. U have no say in this! Thats all i am saying to u. Dont want to argue. I have no beef with u!!

If i was a con artist or someone trying to keep ripping people off, would i come back to the forum and give back to the people that i owe to? I have a heart and believe me, i didnt like knowing that i want following up with my trades. I was focusing on more important things going on in my life. I didnt expect to be treated like a criminal when i put my life in front of sending a couple of people some dvdrs that i owed them. I am sorry if i offended anybody and made them really mad. U have all the right to be mad at me, just please dont think i did it on purpose. I am getting in touch with all the people i owe to and they will get there movies. Like before when i owed people movies, i will be hooking those people up with free movies. I know it doesnt take away from being late with trades, but my life is getting back to being better and i have more time on my hands to help out.

Beardy82

[beardy82]

Thats funny how u accuse me of using 2 names when u were once Sleepman, ShawScope guy, and now HANZOSTEEL!! I am sure there were more. U act like your a stand up guy and your @#%$ dont stink.

[THE BASTARD]

Beardy it's a little rude to say ''you act like your @#%$ dont stink'' heh maybe everyones DOES
but not everyone takes a $hit on everyone else like you did bro LOL.

[silver hermit]

this guy is a piece of work.
1.bitches whines complains about stuff he sends you when stuff he sends is inferior to what he is complaining about.
2.if you mention anything about what he owes you or that his stuff is sub par he goes ape @#%$ and hopes you just give up on your trade from the bull$hit you have to deal with. i know of about 10 people that share this experience and are very nice people he even rips off and even mistreats women. lucky i was able to help 1 of them to get his stuff owed. i guess this is why he wants me to mind my own business i must be interfering with his methods
3.he won't send your stuff, and when he gets yours he will complain and won't send you anything. he even has the balls to tell you to f*ck off when you have delivered your on your end of the bargin.
4. 6 weeks ago he said he would send me my 6 movies he has owed me for a year and a half. when i e mail him he acts like a complete jackass. doing an about face within a week of posting on the board he would send my stuff. now would you want to trade with this guy? guys like him is why i won't trade here anymore. no honor.....

[ozzieny]

Silver Hermit starring in Return of the Weasel. Get it now at Shitty DVD. Douche bag. I would rather send Beardy 100 films than send you 1 you low life pond scum.

[achiever]

never mind, he came thru.

thanks!:rollin

[DAJIZZARIZZA]

if i get burned on a trade ,.. it's mainly my own damn fault. "Why ?" you may be thinking,.. cause any traders know when you send 1st ,... you putting your neck out on the choping block.

if you have traded longer ,.. there should be no question on who ships 1st,... but here's a simple rule ,.. you contact 1st ,.. you send 1st.

there should also had been two systems here set up,.. but obviously, no moderator cared about people getting ripped off on this forum.

i would had set up a point system ,.. i seen this work!!
for every good trade experiance a trader would get a +1,.. after +15 his trading title change ,.. after +25 ,.. it changed again ,.. then ultimately +40 you were elite.
and people should feel honored to get a trade from you at that point.

then a section to post feed back (called my references) which can be given out on request ,.. here a person can see your trading and buying trend.... as well as you good and bad points ,.. because people will be able to post thier unhappiness as well.

I think above all,.. this last method is even better ,... when you have a trade set up ,.. it should be a forum section to see how many open trades a person has set up. For example i have 3 trades pending ,.. there should be a mod set aside for this ,.. :eek

You do not have to name who each trade is set up with ,.. but you can ,.. by this method of report, show a person perhaps being a ripper.

If i had 6 trades open ,.. would you want to be #7 or #8 ? or hell even #3 or #4 for that matter,.. i would wait till i see 0 trades pending or maybe just 1 pending.

There are ways to protect the fan ,.. but someone has to care 1st,.. and whoever setup the trading-section must have a few plans for dealing with abusers.

Sorry for the long post ,.. i did not wish to be vague.
take care.

[ben785]

Just in case the person in question reads this, once again despite the action I have taken, I don't wish to black list you, but I hope you will understand I am just concerned I've been ripped off because I gave you alot of trust.

Can anybody here please recount previous experiences relating to a trader known as 'niky', I believe he is from italy, I don't have his email address on hand, but his email addresses are responded as 'BRUCE LEE/NICOLA', he might also be known as 'niky the dragon'. This trader is adamant that I'm the one trying to screw him over, but I have heard from at least one other trader that he apparently is a known problem. Two or three months later I've still received nothing, and I forwarded the issue to Paypal to review and they went in my favour, but I just wanted to bring this to others attention, and if possible receive any other feedback regarding this trader.

[Agent Orange]

that you only trade with people who have multiple accounts of POSITIVE feedback or post a lot.
If they are new your chances that That person will have the investment to follow through are Less.

[ShifuDugu]

FRANK LAKATOS THE FAG TRAITOR LIAR WE HAD A 10 MOVIE TRADE 2 MONTHS AGO AND I SENT MY MOVIES HE NEVER SENT ANYTHING BACK. DONT TRADE WITH HIM BAN AND AVOID HIM HE CANT BE TRUSTED HE IS A LIAR CON ARTIST

[Squid Lips]

I recently worked with a well known member and collector on this board on an Ebay deal where he was going to buy two figures in the same auction and when he received them, I would pay him half the money and he would send my figure.

As it went, I suddenly didn't hear from him for three weeks, found on his web site that he had my figure displayed with his other figures. I called him on it and he matter of factly said he wasn't happy with the condition of the figure he wanted so had to sell it and wanted to keep "my" figure as consolation... of course this "God fearing" old "friend" never wanted to call and ask if I was okay with that and made no effort to correct it when I did find out.

Luckily I lost no money in the transaction but was a good example how people appear to be nice and mature on the outside but less than stellar in reality. Was a big diapointment.

I don't feel it is neccesary to list his name here but did feel it was a good place to send out the warning to be careful of who you deal with, no matter how often they post on these Kung Fu sites or how "peaceful" they seem to be.

[oldeschool17]

well if you dont list that persons name, how will we know not to trade with him and be subjected to the same treatment?

[Mr. Vampire]

yeah no doubt, please do name names, that's not someone I want to have anything to do with...

[JustinB]

Anyone here have trouble with Iron_Jinon? The first trade we did went very smoothly. However, he did not send the promised DVD when we agreed to do a second trade. He doesn't respond to PMs and no longer seems to post here. I just wanted to know if anyone has had a similar problem with him...

[The Amazing Psycho Per]

I traded with him two months ago... It took some time but he came through... He did howevver buy two DVDs I wanted and that he didn't have! I was stunned!:eek: So I'm surprised he didn't honnor a trade... It's funny that he disapeared so suddenly because he was certainly one of the most eager poster around here!

[oldeschool17]

We had communicated on a trade but he never told me when he was ready on his end so i never bothered with it. no lost

[Iron_Jinon]

Anyone here have trouble with Iron_Jinon? The first trade we did went very smoothly. However, he did not send the promised DVD when we agreed to do a second trade. He doesn't respond to PMs and no longer seems to post here. I just wanted to know if anyone has had a similar problem with him...
Justified..you get your movie and one for consolation though...

[Winfred]

Venomchamber posted that he was looking for The Lost Souls which is OOP. I responded and we agreed on a trade. I sent out his copy on 2 April and when he received it on 16 April, he wrote and apologized for sending out my movie late on 9 April. When I still did not receive anything on 22 April, I wrote to him and he responded by saying he will send a replacement on 25 April. It is now 5 May and I have still not received anything. Has anyone traded with him before?
If I don't receive anything by next week, I will have to out him by revealing his real name. That's what this thread is for.....to protect the members here.
However if I receive his envelope, I will apologize for doubting him and remove this post. He is only the 3rd person I have ever traded with. My first 2 trading experiences were with wonderful people and I particularly want to single out Dajizzarizza for praise as he takes trading to a new benchmark of satisfaction.

[oldeschool17]

Venomchamber posted that he was looking for The Lost Souls which is OOP. I responded and we agreed on a trade. I sent out his copy on 2 April and when he received it on 16 April, he wrote and apologized for sending out my movie late on 9 April. When I still did not receive anything on 22 April, I wrote to him and he responded by saying he will send a replacement on 25 April. It is now 5 May and I have still not received anything. Has anyone traded with him before?
If I don't receive anything by next week, I will have to out him by revealing his real name. That's what this thread is for.....to protect the members here.
However if I receive his envelope, I will apologize for doubting him and remove this post. He is only the 3rd person I have ever traded with. My first 2 trading experiences were with wonderful people and I particularly want to single out Dajizzarizza for praise as he takes trading to a new benchmark of satisfaction.
Thats pretty shitty if thats the case. You should PM him with a link of this thread so he can come on here to explain whats going on.

[Winfred]

Venomchamber's replacement copy arrived today with a nice letter so I apologize for doubting him. I am so sorry. The original copy he sent is still lost in transit.

[Markgway]

Sometimes the mail can be a bit slack (esp. international) so it's always worth allowing three weeks (maybe more) before posting here. Haven't had any probs myself for a while. :)

[venomchamber]

Wow...I was just informed of this blog by a good friend of mine who asked me if I ever "stiffed somebody for a movie" to which I replied whatever gave you that idea?

Now then, I don't mind going public. Many of you know me already, many others don't, but have movies in their collection that came from me!
My name is Tom Fardy and I ran Venom Video Ltd here in Brooklyn New York from 1986 to 1999. I shared a booth/table at every convention in this area (most notably Chiller Theater in NJ) with my associate and close friend Paul Haberman of Henshin Video. I also supplied films to the 43rd Chamber in New York City during this time.
Those of you who know me in the real world are aware of my vast retail experience and superb customer service.
With the advent of DVD and Celestial's aquisition of the Shaw Brothers Library, I discontinued any and all duplication services and permanently retired from selling "lost" films that were about to become legit. (However, that didn't stop others from picking up the ball afterwards like vultures.) In 2002 I formed Venom Chamber Imports Distribution here in NY and dealt exclusively in obtaining and circulating IVL releases, and ceased that operation in 2003 when I relocated to Durham, NC due to family matters leaving Poker Industries in NJ to provide that service in the northeast region.
I was previously in Linn's stable of contributors to the Media Blasters releases, contributing pieces from my collection to the bonus features gallery for HEROES TWO only to have Celestial refuse them! (Only HK & US memorabilia, nothing Japanese, German, French or Italian, a pity.) Upon Linn's passing, I have personally delivered product to Chet & John up at MB for 3 EVIL MASTERS, CHALLENGE OF THE MASTERS, and currently I am working on having memorabilia and Southern Screen articles on THE DEADLY DUO scanned for approval. ;)
So now you know all about me, with no veil of secrecy whatsoever.

It was never my intention to remain anonymous as I initially joined this forum to find old friends and make new ones. But negativity like this can damage one's reputation, so I decided to post this info public instead of merely a PM to Winfred, whom has been quite the gentleman during the whole waiting process I might add. I extend kudos to him for his patience, but wish he contacted me prior to posting this blog to save face.

I recently submitted to a trade with Winfred for a copy of Lost Souls (which I've only had in German) which to the best of my knowledge was never received. I've been involved with international shipping for many years and am fully aware that occasionally things do get "lost" in transit via airmail. In light of this, I made and sent a replacement copy, which I've learned was just received today.
Once again, my public apologies Winfred, for the untimely arrival of your disc.
I have also discovered something new about the mail system in Malaysia (as I am also good friends with Ang Eng Lu of lvlalaysiaboleh who has been in the proccess of helping me upgrade and complete my runs of Southern Screen & Hong Kong Movie News magazines for the passed couple years), and that is mail coming from there arrives in the U.S. within a week (all of Ang's mags as well as Winfred's discs always arrived in 7 days time) while mail sent there can take between 2 weeks to a month (Ang received my Holiday Greetings card in January!).

My mistake was not sending it Registered Mail in an attempt to cut costs. When next I send mail to S.E. Asia, it will be shipped via Registered Mail instead of just regular Air-Mail.

Whenever I submit to a trade, I always comply with integrity and honesty. As a longtime fan myself, I know what it is like to be duped in trades as I have 15-20 years worth of experience in dead-end swaps and I for one would never subject anyone to that kind of fraudulent activity.

For whatever reason, many of my posts have been attacked in the past as being false even though I can authenticate & verify my statements. I hope this post does not further diminish my credibility as a contributor to this forum.

Rest assurred, should I ever be called upon for a trade again in the future, I have always delivered the goods in a timely and efficient manner. In the event I am delayed in dispatching, I take full responsibility and apologize for any inconvienience without excuse.

I hope this clears things up!

I wish you all the best of all good things with my sincerest regards,
TOM

[venoms5]

so I decided to post this info public instead of merely a PM to Winfred, whom has been quite the gentleman during the whole waiting process I might add. I extend kudos to him for his patience, but wish he contacted me prior to posting this blog to save face.



Winfred is a she, not a he.

[teako170]

I hope this clears things up!I wish you all the best of all good things with my sincerest regards,
TOM

I'll cosign on Tom.
Over the years, KFF has lost some knowledgeable, old-school cats -- mainly to miscommunication.
Don't want to see that trend continue.

Its good to see that this situation was resolved clean and quick and we can move forward.

[Ghostface Killer]

Venomschamber did you apologize to winfred? Why did you feel it was nessecary to deck your response with flowers, and cherries and pour all that
frosting all over yourself. If your going to try and put something over someone why dont you frost Winfred with a few extra DVD. We dont care if your
Lo Mang, if you owe someone a DVD give it up and say im sorry, dont try to dazzle us with poo poo. At least you got your messed cleaned up.

[venomchamber]

OK, here we go with the bashing, I knew it was coming...

Venomschamber did you apologize to winfred?
FIRST OF ALL, (*heh, can't even spell my name right) TRY READING MY POST BEFORE REPLYING WITH THIS NONSENSE! I SAID I DID DIDN'T I? WHAT WINFRED AND I PM EACH OTHER ABOUT IS OUR BUSINESS. I APOLOGIZE EVEN WHEN I DON'T HAVE TO OUT OF POLITE COURTESEY. BESIDES, READ WHAT HE HIMSELF STATED ABOVE! I ALSO APOLOGIZED PUBLICLY ONCE AGAIN RIGHT UP THERE! IF YOU READ IT YOU'D HAVE SEEN THIS: Once again, my public apologies Winfred, for the untimely arrival of your disc.
NEXT...
If your going to try and put something over someone
I HAVE DONE NO SUCH THING. HE DID RECEIVE IT! TRY READING WINFRED'S POST ABOVE MINE!
Why did you feel it was nessecary to deck your response with flowers, and cherries and pour all that
frosting all over yourself.
BECAUSE THIS ENTIRE SITUATION IS NOT MY FAULT! I MAILED OUT TWO (2) COPIES OF THE SAME FILM AND THE SECOND WAS RECEIVED! I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MAIL THEFT OR FRAUD! I HAVE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE U.S. POST OFFICE VERIFYING THAT I DID INDEED SEND IT WHEN I SAID I DID THAT I WILL SCAN AND POST JUST TO SHUT YOU UP.
AND THE "FROSTING & CHERRIES" AS YOU PUT IT IS TO SHOW PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELF THAT I HAVE BEEN AND REMAIN HONEST.
if you owe someone a DVD give it up and say im sorry, dont try to dazzle us with poo poo
I HAVE NOTHING TO BE SORRY ABOUT! I AM THE ONE WHO IS SHORT 1 DVD PLUS SHIPPING NOT WINFRED! I HAVE NOTHING TO "GIVE UP" AND ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT MAKE ME WANT TO SAY "F*CK IT" AND TO HELL WITH ADDING ANY OF MY STUFF TO THE MB RELEASES THAT LINN SUGGESTED THAT I DO, AND CONTINUE TO HOLD-OUT SO UNDESERVING PEOPLE CAN SIT THERE AND WATCH JAKKED-UP BOOTLEGS AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SMALLEST DETAILS. HOW'S THAT FOR "DAZZLE YOU WITH POO POO". HAPPY NOW?

*ummm...Winfred, please, feel free to back me up anytime now...

Winfred is a she, not a he.
AND TELL THEM YOU'RE A GUY FOR CHRISSAKE! SOME OF 'EM THINK YOUR A CHICK!

Good Afternoon and Good-Bye.

[Morgoth]

I'm pretty sure that Winfred is a gal. Were you told different?

[venomchamber]

I'm pretty sure that Winfred is a gal. Were you told different?
I CANNOT DISCLOSE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, BUT THE DVD WAS SHIPPED TWICE TO AN INDIVIDUAL WITH A MALE NAME, THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS IN REGARDS TO THIS POST. THE POINT OF GENDER IS MOOT. WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? 'nuff said.

[Morgoth]

WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?

I don't like calling someone a she when they are actually a he. It just feels weird. It's not really a big deal though. If it was real life and I was face to face with the person and couldn't tell their gender, then it would bug me:p. But this is the internet, so I just try to do my best to tell if someone is a guy or a girl.

[venoms5]

I CANNOT DISCLOSE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, BUT THE DVD WAS SHIPPED TWICE TO AN INDIVIDUAL WITH A MALE NAME, THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS IN REGARDS TO THIS POST. THE POINT OF GENDER IS MOOT. WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? 'nuff said.

Well, SHE did apologize to you for the mistake (we as humans often make those you know) and deleted her post. You compounded the issue by reiterating what had already been stated. Glorifying whatever past endeavors you may have undertaken (or currently involved in) has nothing to do with a DVD trade and I'm sure after her apology to you the problem was, and should have been cleared up.

[venomchamber]

I compounded nothing.
The issue is closed. I fulfilled my part of the obligation twice and the item was received, yet I am still reading and receiving negativity directed toward me afterwards. Why is that?
But still, I am bashed and always placed into a position where I feel I must defend my integrity.
Case in point: even you in particular have displayed a tendency to challenge nearly any post I make regardless of subject matter,
Now newcomers are falling in line and following that example and implying I know nothing of the genre nor do I know how to conduct a trade, meanwhile I've been trading films longer than many of these forum members have been living!
I'd like a little respect every now and then, instead of the constant put-downs...give credit where credit is due, is that too much to ask for? I came here years ago to make friends, not foes, understand?
And as for Winfred, well, I believe I am communicating with someone male. I'm sure Winfred will clear this up for me shortly.
Cheers!

[Morgoth]

Just so it's clear, I wasn't being negative. I have always enjoyed your posts venomchamber.

[venoms5]

Case in point: even you in particular have displayed a tendency to challenge nearly any post I make regardless of subject matter,
Now newcomers are falling in line and following that example and implying I know nothing of the genre nor do I know how to conduct a trade, meanwhile I've been trading films longer than many of these forum members have been living!


When did I issue a challenge your way? I only recall responding about some bootleg DVDs, a topic to which you also took part in. Don't recall any challenges to your person. And I don't recall anybody contradicting anything you have posted. If I have, then I apologize but will fore go listing my accomplishments to the genre as you did. They're not many I tell you.:)

I am under the assumption Winfred is a female as he/she was formerly Ivy Ling Po here and there was a thread a long time ago regarding female members and he/she was one that responded or at least that's the way I seem to remember it. Apologies again if that is incorrect.:)

[HAZ]

I was going to watch a movie this evening, but this thread has more drama! Is Winfred a woman or a man? Was someone trying to pull a fast one? How long does it take to get a package to the kampung? Throw in some Muay Thai and you have a Prachya Pinkaew film.

[Morgoth]

lol. Any bets? And what are the odds?

[oldeschool17]

i can see why people dont stay on this board. theres more drama on here than a high school cafeteria.

[HAZ]

This is absolutely off topic, but why don't they make a kung fu movie about a film star trying to bust a bootlegging ring? Imagine Tony Jaa hunting down dudes trying to boot Ong Bak. That would be kinda cool.

[HAZ]

lol. Any bets? And what are the odds?

I don't know about Winfred's gender, but I've heard that one regular poster here is really a Llama.

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/other/llama/llama1.jpg

[Mark Pollard]

From what I can tell, the issue between venomchamber and Winfred has been resolved and no further discussion on the subject is needed.

I would ask all members to think carefully before posting negative comments here about sellers unless you have a specific and legitimate complaint that cannot be resolved privately. This thread should be used to notify members about scam artists, sellers of illegitmate in-print titles, and/or consistently bad customer service. Lost or delayed product doesn't count unless it has happened repeatedly and for an unreasonable length of time.

Furthermore, it is against forum rules to "out" anyone on this board regardless of the reasons. If you publicly share personal information about someone without their consent you will likely be banned, pending a review of the incident. This is not directed just at Winfred and his/her initial threat but at everyone.

There has been a fair amount of unnecessary drama on the forums lately that is unrelated to thread topics it appears in. If it must persist, I would like it to move to PMs or e-mails so that mods don't have to keep deleting posts or locking threads. Most of us are adults here and should be able to conduct ourselves with at least a small measure of civility and respect for fellow members.

Lastly, I will say that anyone who engages in trades or sales with fellow members should understand that doing so always comes with potential risks. While some traders here may or may not have a good reputation, there is no guarantee that they will deliver. Remember, a large retailer can usually afford to keep their customers happy, even when the customer is wrong or a third party messes up but private sellers may not be able or willing to in the event that product is lost or damaged.

[Winfred]

Please stop bashing Venomchamber.
The only thing he did not quite do right is to send out the first disc 7 days later than agreed even though this disc has not been received. Since I have received a replacement disc, the issue is closed. Thank you for the support guys but let's maintain the peace.

[kowloon]

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[DAJIZZARIZZA]

Hey KFC members,... just a warning to the traders here.

there is a nut who signed up here just to (get this),.. trade with me ,.lol
yes this had weirdo written all over it,.. but i went against my best judgement.

anyway all this guy does is promise this and that ,.. "i'll give you computers for free,.. i'm that kind of guy" this nut would say.

he goes on an on ,.. about nothing,.. sends me dozzens of "pm's" about a simple trade and never acts on it. trying to get me to ship 1st,..well he only stole two movies from me,.. no problem,.. small lesson learned.

he goes by the name of wesman ,.. and his email addy is t.......8@gmail.com,.. he's also on adc. some here may deal with this guy,.. but trust me ,.. he's a loonitic and a petty crook.

oh yeah he also imagines he's a hitmat in "DA BUSSINESS" for 50 years,.. lol
here is his last email to me FROM TONY "HITMAN" MAHONEY,..LOL:p

He sent me this email,.. after i blocked his ass from annoying me with his empty promises and told him noo more free s**t.

"That's funny! i've already traded with FIVE OTHER PEOPLE & NONE were little b**ches like you! lol.. what a f**kin loser you are! you had to try to be a tough guy.. that is really too bad for you.. I've already looked u up my friend..I got a whole dossia on u right here... better start shoppin for wheelchairs! (for your grandparents, of course) I never told u what business my family has been in for the last 50 years... and i dont need to. u will find out soon enough.

I washed my hands of you. So whatever happens to you now will be due to plain bad karma. just thinkin about it brings a smile to my face! bye bye"
just beware of this punk aka con-artist aka hitman aka big joke

[ekisha]

Thanks for warning.

[Markgway]

Rule No.1: Never send anything first to a newbie.

Rule No.2: No one gives away hardware for free. No one.

Rule No.3: No hitman ever tells people he's a hitman. Fact.

[DAJIZZARIZZA]

i had bad trades before ,.. and never did i put anyone out there for notice.
but this guy made me loose my temper so many times ,.. yet i tried to be patient.

i did this only for others here ,.. because no one deserves to deal with a loone like this,.. i'm sure even the ones who dealt with him had to notice this guy is a bit of a moron.

but if i must have my legs broken for not letting someone steal from me,.. then i'm wheelchair ready,... lol

[Mark Pollard]

Rule No. 4: Please use our "Sellers and traders to avoid" thread for warnings about traders.

Sellers and traders to avoid
http://www.kungfucinema.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23

For reference, a link to this thread can be found in our "Marketplace Forum Rules and Info" thread which is stickied at the head of this forum.

Marketplace Forum Rules and Info
http://www.kungfucinema.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5472

Thank you.

[GungFu]

Stay away from seller toddman2730 on Ebay!!! He is dishonest and a total time waster! He can be very ignorant and totally unprofessional!