Japanese trying to act black [Archive]

The Running Man

03-09-2007, 02:52 PM

anyways, the video was clearly not racist. They were just making fun of dumb, popular american culture and fat americans.

The video was not, but that comment is. :rolleyes

but I think the idea was to hold up a mirror to black (Afro-American) culture where every sentence seemingly uses the word "@#%$" and the only music allowed is hip-hop.

Actually, the spoof is directed at how the Japanese adopt American culture so much. The fact that n*igga is said virtually on every sentence is really to stress that point at perhaps how silly it can be. Things like how it's set up as a sitcom complete with a laugh track give an impression of a warped view and that it's accepted despite probably not having a total understanding of it (clip ends with them referring to a black man with the word n*gga without even a bat of the eye).

It should also be noted that all of the actors are American and they're all doing different degrees of Japanese accents with some thicker than others (i.e. the son's goes in and out and the grandfather barely has an accent when he's speaking).

Also, there are some subtle touches that perhaps could be also spoofing how non-Asians have a screwed up view of Asians. Notice that the family is Japanese yet they are listening to Chinese news. The Japanese writing on the teabag are written in upside down katana that doesn't mean anything. When Japanese is actually being spoken the second time in it (by the girl when she comes in), it's not very good.

It's pretty dead on I think, especially the above. Several years later after that spoof, consider how the critically acclaimed and blockbuster US remake of Infernal Affairs has a scene with gangsters from Mainland China, yet they are speaking Cantonese. And the Cantonese that is spoken was not very good (it was said in HK audiences were laughing their asses at how bad it was).

GwaiLoMoFo

03-09-2007, 03:28 PM

:lol I think we might be looking a bit too far into it.

The Running Man

03-09-2007, 04:11 PM

No, not really.

The intent of the short was as satire and was introduced as such when it was screened at festivals years back.

Chen Zhen

03-09-2007, 04:55 PM

Shaolin Dog Paw

03-09-2007, 05:01 PM

The video was not, but that comment is.

What?!

Im a racist because i said fat americans?! HAHAHAHA!

as i recall, i was just about the only person here to support repriations for african americans... remember the racist Sienfeld guy thread.

I spoke at a recent Martin Luther King jr. memorial service during black history month at my college.

Educate yourself on what racism really is, then seperate yourself from the "anyone who says the world black is racist" crowd.

By the way, if it has the N word in it... its not hip hop, its not even music.

The Running Man

03-09-2007, 06:19 PM

Educate yourself on what racism really is, then seperate yourself from the "anyone who says the world black is racist" crowd.

Anyone who says the word "black"?? Huh?? I have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyway, you wrote: "They were just making fun of dumb, popular american culture and fat americans. "

That's a pretty disgusting comment because :

a) That's not what the video is about so where you got that from is quite out there...

and

b) You are insulting american culture by calling it "dumb" and according to what you said Americans who are overweight should be insulted.

Yes, such a thing can be considered a comment out of prejudice, and if you don't think so then you should probably be the one doing the educating on yourself on what those things are before making comments like that.

to be "black" in society means that u gotta talk all the ebonics, wear all the g-unit clothes and be into gangster rap. and if a black person doesnt fit that criteria...hes an "uncle tom" or hes trying to be white. f*ck outta here with that nonsense..

u cannot "act" black..or white or asian or whatever. u either are, or ur not.

I agree 100%. If acting black is that...then what's acting white? What's acting asian? What's acting latino?

silver hermit

03-09-2007, 07:17 PM

this thread would make an interesting study of human nature. i can't belive what some people type i bet they really think they are smart witty or funny as they type it. i belive the problem is how people view others.
i can't belive you guys are even taking this thread seriously. do you think good old jack offered this as something we can learn from?? or a debate topic? not likey.. its just a big joke and he is laughing at you right now.

inchilottaP

03-09-2007, 07:20 PM

Anyway, you wrote: "They were just making fun of dumb, popular american culture and fat americans. "

That's a pretty disgusting comment because :

a) That's not what the video is about so where you got that from is quite out there...

and

b) You are insulting american culture by calling it "dumb" and according to what you said Americans who are overweight should be insulted.

Yes, such a thing can be considered a comment out of prejudice, and if you don't think so then you should probably be the one doing the educating on yourself on what those things are before making comments like that.

Agreed.

The Running Man

03-09-2007, 07:27 PM

this thread would make an interesting study of human nature.

Yeah, on how some people don't seem to understand what a "satire" is and when others do get it, those people call them silly for doing so.

i can't belive you guys are even taking this thread seriously. do you think good old jack offered this as something we can learn from?? or a debate topic? not likey.. its just a big joke and he is laughing at you right now.

Yeeaah...that reminds me of an interview with Spike Lee when he was asked why did he decide start his movie "Bamboozled" with a dictionary definition of the word "satire". His answer?

Because m0ther****ers are stupid.

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silver hermit

03-09-2007, 07:33 PM

at least you get it running man :\

Chinatown Kid

03-09-2007, 08:56 PM

I just believe people should be true to themselves and not try to be something their not. If your honestly expressing yourself and being true to the way you feel, you shouldn't worry about what someone else says about who your trying to act like or copy. Just my 2 cents. ;)

Markgway

03-09-2007, 09:51 PM

japanese trying to "act black" it always bothered me this mentality that everyone has. not speaking on anyone here in particular, but i mean jsut in general. to be "black" in society means that u gotta talk all the ebonics, wear all the g-unit clothes and be into gangster rap. and if a black person doesnt fit that criteria...hes an "uncle tom" or hes trying to be white. f*ck outta here with that nonsense.. u cannot "act" black..or white or asian or whatever. u either are, or ur not.

A perception of black as given by the media. If you asked a white Brit to give an example of regular African-American
they would be more likely say Snoop Dogg than Denzel Washington. Like it or not a percentage of the black population play on that. It's a shame for the rest. That's kind what I was saying... but I must admit I didn't get the "poor Japanese" references as I didn't pay that close attention and thus have probably missed part of the satirical point. Regardless I think my original point is valid and the skit works (or doesn't) on both levels.

The Running Man

03-09-2007, 10:20 PM

A perception of black as given by the media. If you asked a white Brit to give an example of regular African-American they would be more likely say Snoop Dogg than Denzel Washington.

Same would be said from a white American's mouth. But it goes both ways really.

Some blacks would accuse another brother of trying to "be" white if he's not acting like he's from the hood. Blacks who express themselves in an educated fashion and not in that "gangsta" air would typically be called as such (an "oreo" if you will) and are frequently parodied on black comedy shows and comics that seem to take issue with that.

People like popular American news anchor Brian Gumbel and comedian Wyane Brady has been a frequent targets of things like that.

limubai2000

03-09-2007, 10:37 PM

Some blacks would accuse another brother of trying to "be" white if he's not acting like he's from the hood. Blacks who express themselves in an educated fashion and not in that "gangsta" air would typically be called as such (an "oreo" if you will) and are frequently parodied on black comedy shows and comics that seem to take issue with that.

I have recently seen this first hand. My best friend is indeed black and he calls Colin Powell an Uncle Tom because he "acted white" to become Secretary of State. I couldn't believe he said that, here was the highest "ranking" black person in the US government (followed by Condi) who arguably could have made a good run for president and he is being shotdown by one of his own race.

I see the same mentality with the islander locals here on Guam. They try to "pull down" the locals who go to college and really try to make something of themselves. Other locals will deride them or marginalize them, it's no wonder those that graduate from college move to the US mainland, leaving the uneducated ones to run the island (which is just about bankrupt right now).

A previous post attributed this to human nature, and he is right. No matter how smart or socially sensitive the human race becomes we still are observing "tribal behavior" among all segments of our society. I think this will always be present in one form or another in human society, we are still animals in some respects after all. No matter how much we try to deny that or grow beyond that it will take quite a long time to accomplish, longer than our lifetimes at least. When one mixes jealously, greed and lust in with a tribal mentality it makes a very volatile combination.

Nationalism is a example of this behavior. On Guam the tribal mentality is so prevalent that people argue about which village is better or northerners vs southerners!

Chinatown Kid

03-09-2007, 11:11 PM

Being predjudice and holding hate toward another race is where all this acting black, acting white, or uncle tom name calling comes from. Racism can be found in any race and is not exclusive to only one or a few races. I've even heard that some darker skin black people have been prejudice against the lighter skin blacks and claim they get all the breaks. And I don't care who you are or what race you are some people are gonna hate on ya for some ignorant reason. People should be judged on their deeds and actions and not on their race, creed, or nationality.

silver hermit

03-09-2007, 11:43 PM

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Shaolin Dog Paw

03-10-2007, 12:36 AM

I didn't find the clip funny... but I think the idea was to hold up a mirror to black (Afro-American) culture where every sentence seemingly uses the word "@#%$" and the only music allowed is hip-hop. In a sense they've stereotyped themselves... and the clip I presume is making fun of that by applying the same culture to an alien culture (ie. Japanese). If black people find it offensive they're missing the point.

this is what i meant to say in the beginning. Im not good with words, sorry. I didn't mean to offend anyone.

The Running Man

03-10-2007, 02:02 AM

It's cool man. :)

jirpy100

03-10-2007, 07:52 AM

limubai2000,

That is very interesting. One of our coloured South African politicians once said in response to such criticism: "The one way in which we are imitating the whites is in trying to be human." I can only imagine what the responses were.
It is sad to hear that, because people like Colin Powell, Kofi Anan and Condoleezza Rice don't seem to act white to me, they just follow international business etiquette. And I'd like to believe that Denzel Washington is a better example of the typical educated African-American than what I'm being told by your own media! Shows like The Wire unfortunately does a lot of damage to the image of African-Americans. Everyone is a dope dealer, mugger, murderder, etc. I also read how people like Oprah and Bill Cosby have been blasted because they don't like this gangster culture. Bill Cosby said something to the effect of how can a young black person expect to become a doctor if he talks that way. Even a respected person like Spike Lee throws alot of vernacular around if I'm not mistaken. But he's an artist, and does his own thing I guess - though I don't like him. He seems very right wing to me.
I think this is also the reason why when you look at books by African intellectuals their criticism of their continent stems partly from this treatment by their own people. They confuse education with accepting domination by the white race or something similar. Why can't one get a great education while retaining your culture? I think that is the argument the black intellectuals are trying to win...

"leaving the uneducated ones to run the island (which is just about bankrupt right now)."

That happens over here too. They for instance replace a white man with 20 years experience with a black man with only high school, then don't understand why the service delivery is worse. And when they are criticised for such behaviour you are labelled racist, end of discussion.
The tribe people like Mandela belongs to for instance is not the majority black tribe in his country. This resulted in 98 tribal mass murders from 1990-1996. But strangely enough, the majority black tribe, the Zulus, are much more willing to forgive the white man than the ruling Xhosas, who are dragging us down. A black leader is also now standing for head of the DA, which is the current fact of the old National Party. The ANC killed his brother during Apartheid, so he will never work with them.
In a country with 11 official languages you can understand how tribal racism is rife amongst the native population.
The real native population of this country is pretty much extinct, the San and bushmen, while the black tribes came from the north after heavy fighting, and thus they still hate each other (800-1400 AD). And the Xhosas don't see the irony in calling the real natives backward and to either become civilised or go live in isolation. They already forcibly removed the bushmen, repeating the Apartheid government's mistakes.
My ancestors having lived here for hundreds of years, I claim this my country too, even though I did not originate here, but neither did the blacks. Let's hope we can all work together in peace. Luckily I live in the Western Cape where the whites, Indians (or at least 2nd language) and coloureds all speak Afrikaans as a first language, and thus work together great - much to the ANC's dismay. ;)
I guess I'm lucky in that I work in an environment where the three races just mentioned work together seemlessly. There isn't really an educated black middle class here yet though, but hopefully we'll work together just as well. Right now I will admit that we are still not really mingling with the black population. Too much baggage in both sides I think.

limubai2000

03-10-2007, 10:02 AM

Great post jirpy.

You echo my thoughts about Condi, Colin and Kofi. I can't understand this mentality of putting people down who get education. To me it seems like the "tribalist" faction of blacks want everyone to be like them and be all gangsta and crap. Thats fine is rap and that stuff is your culture, but you have a brain whats wrong with using it to become educated and make more money? With more money you could buy more rap CDs! I'd almost say they are jealous of successful blacks and label them uncle toms for that reason. Of course there are many factors at work here.

I have to think Malcolm X would be very pissed off these days with gangsta culture and black on black violence and stuff. He's probably spinning in his grave about right now. Interesting that a well educated black actor (Denzel) portrayed him in the film, ironic actually. I would go so far as to say their is a black identity crisis in the USA, but I'm not black so I can only put that forth as a theory.

Back OT, the Japanese culture is dying. The have become self indulgent since the 80s and they are xenophobic. They are imitating other cultures because theirs is dying and the younger generation don't want to embrace the work ethic of the older generation. They have become complacent and self-indulgent, much like Rome before it fell, or like the USA is now. I'm not offended by this behavior, this is human nature after all. If anything I'm sorry that their culture is dying out.

Markgway

03-10-2007, 11:55 AM

I have recently seen this first hand. My best friend is indeed black and he calls Colin Powell an Uncle Tom because he "acted white" to become Secretary of State.

American black culture and attitudes seem to have been split into two factions: "niggers" and "Uncle Tom's". If you're into bling, bitches and dope you're "a nigga", if you wear a suit and are educated you're an "Uncle Tom". What an appalling indictment it is that the former is perceived as "cool" and the latter "selling out"? Trying to improve oneself is selling out? Is this what civil rights leaders fought for? The freedom to refer to oneself as a "@#%$" and acts as racist as the whites did before? The irony of these "niggaz" calling themselves African-American is that true Africans would be horrified at the way American blacks behave and talk. They are no more African than I am.

Chinatown Kid

03-10-2007, 12:36 PM

I agree 100% Mark. It's a sad thing when being a "thug" or ""gangsta" is considered cool or hip and trying to educate and better yourself is considered selling out or trying to be white. A person can improve their education and economic status without losing their racial identity. Being a thug or criminal is not cool no matter what race you are.....

killer meteor

03-10-2007, 01:16 PM

You find the same attitude where I live, with the chav culture. Lazy, inbred hicks who buy drugs, steal from old ladies, have children at the age of 13 and scrouge off the dole are "cool" People like me who work are "f*cking queers"

rindge

03-10-2007, 07:13 PM

Some blacks would accuse another brother of trying to "be" white if he's not acting like he's from the hood. Blacks who express themselves in an educated fashion and not in that "gangsta" air would typically be called as such (an "oreo" if you will) and are frequently parodied on black comedy shows and comics that seem to take issue with that.

People like popular American news anchor Brian Gumbel and comedian Wyane Brady has been a frequent targets of things like that.

I have not even looked at the clip as of yet. What I find disturbing are comments like the one above. I don't know what type of Black (notice the capital B) people you guys/girls are familiar with, but I'm familiar with folks from both sides of the tracks. Yes I'm Black grew up dirt poor and have a pretty decent education including a graduate degree. My friends that I grew up with in and around the projects don't view educated Blacks as uncle tom's or any of that other nonsense. In most cases they are rather proud that we pulled ourselves up by the boot straps and escaped the ghetto. On the other side in running with the folks with graduate degrees who may or may not have come from the ghetto they do not feel a need to act ghetto and I doubt they receive any BS from others about their success.

I'm probably not doing the best job describing myself, but there is a lot of gray area for this subject. Not all Black people fall into neatly defined stereotyped views as described above. Does the description above happen - YES.
Does it happen as frequently as the various posts suggest - NO. The folks who post on this board strike me as intelligent and pretty worldly - I'd say to the folks who have made these posts - broaden your view a little bit more and I think your views may change.

Rindge

Markgway

03-10-2007, 10:02 PM

"We're" not saying that educated blacks are 'Uncle Toms', but rather that's how the 'niggaz' view educated blacks, as illustrated by Lim's friend. I totally sympathise with poor blacks (and whites) who try to better themselves and are sneered at.

limubai2000

03-10-2007, 10:20 PM

I'm probably not doing the best job describing myself, but there is a lot of gray area for this subject. Not all Black people fall into neatly defined stereotyped views as described above. Does the description above happen - YES.

Here you are obviously right.

Does it happen as frequently as the various posts suggest - NO. The folks who post on this board strike me as intelligent and pretty worldly - I'd say to the folks who have made these posts - broaden your view a little bit more and I think your views may change.

My primary contact with black folks at this juncture of my life is through disenfranchised blacks who move to Guam to avoid racism (re my best friend) or military servicemen who are blacks, primarily in the US Navy. The attitude I put forth is very common amoung these groups, more so with the US Naval personnel. I have no easy way to "broaden my view" nor do I have the desire to return stateside for a whole list of reasons as long as my arm, or both.

Where did you get the idea we were worldly? I've only been to 17 different countries. :p

rindge

03-11-2007, 11:41 AM

Mark - Your comment about how less fortunate Blacks view ones that may be more fortunate is wrong. Also it would be would be nice if everyone could stop using the N word to describe what you believe to be a segment of the Black race. Folks from all economic backgrounds share some of the traits you may associate with that word.

Rindge

jirpy100

03-11-2007, 12:47 PM

I think partly what Mark was trying to convey is that most of us grew up knowing that the N word may never be used - by a decent person at least. But these days AA actors predominately portray the gangster culture, so what are we suppose to assume? One day we are told not to use the word, but the next day you turn on the tv and that is all you hear coming black peoples' mouths... why should I be sensitive about this when they aren't? Sorry, but AAs have lost alot of credibility in this department. And I just don't hear credible AAs speaking out against it.
My dad is a big fan of Martin Luther King jr., and when I look at what someone like him could accomplish half a century ago I wonder what happened from his assassination up until now. Why did his vision get replaced by a negative, degrading one, while people like him fought for the right be all you can be?

Isfahani

03-11-2007, 01:21 PM

That's a damn good question, as a former civil-rights activist and rabble rouser I often ask myself that. btw, I was on the public bus the other day, sitting in back and watching this gangbanger kid get bent outta shape cause the bus driver wouldn't let him on for free, he came to the rear of the bus announcing that "It's a white man's world, can't get no love, etc, etc" so I took a closer look... Here's a guy that's wearing shades worth more than my entire outfit, never mind the $300 designer shoes, the easily over $500 Italian leather jacket, the bling, the cell phone, and he's bitching about not getting a free bus ride (1.50 US)...

THIS is a parody, youknowwhatimsayin? What's more disturbing is that since this is the image that is bought and sold by the media, not only here but all over the world, it's actually reinforcing ignorance, and to an extent prejudice... Which of course, every government depends on to keep the masses separated.

Speaking to parody, I saw Tokyo Breakfast quite a while ago and I still think it's the most damn funny thing to come out of Japan in quite some time, and I wish it would have made it to a series.

And please don't refer to me as "White" I am a Caucasian-American.

Tosh

03-11-2007, 02:16 PM

Well I watched a minute then my attention span diminished by the second (like when I watch Chappelle show). It's a parody, and it's not like we (Westerns) haven't parodied Asian culture/stereotypes before.

I myself don't find this humor all that funny, but comedy is a subjective thing.

Tosh

03-11-2007, 02:32 PM

Back OT, the Japanese culture is dying. The have become self indulgent since the 80s and they are xenophobic. They are imitating other cultures because theirs is dying and the younger generation don't want to embrace the work ethic of the older generation.

Yes, it a shame, but there are some of the younger generation that still embraces the old traditions, and you still have the festivals, ironically, it's probably us Westerners that are more interested in the older culture, and will help to preserve it.
If you know it or not, by watching/loving these Kung Fu movies you've in a way assimilated yourselves in Asian culture, some of us may take it further and study the Asian History, Art, and fall in love with their food, and for some of us the Women;) , for me it probably started watching Godzilla movies when I was 5 years old, since then I've had great interest in learning about Asian culture.

silver hermit

03-11-2007, 05:08 PM

this thread is like the Rorschach test you see whats in your mind and there seem some people here that are negrophobic.

"One day we are told not to use the word, but the next day you turn on the tv and that is all you hear coming black peoples' mouths... why should I be sensitive about this when they aren't?'

interesting.. now go use that word to all the negroes you see and tell us if it makes a difference after you get out of the hospital.
people need to stop looking to TV for their reality and look around you for truth. i doubt the TV stations your watching are owned by negroes or those TV shows produced by negroes.

there seems to be some non-negro niggers posting in this thread too. find out what a word means before you use it.. niggers.

rindge

03-11-2007, 06:27 PM

"One day we are told not to use the word, but the next day you turn on the tv and that is all you hear coming black peoples' mouths... why should I be sensitive about this when they aren't?'

Ishfani should you be more sensitive? no. But if you know the word has a negative meaning why use it all? Just because someone else is doing does not make it correct. I understand your point though and have been fighting the issue since the 80's Some things never change.

Rindge

Markgway

03-11-2007, 07:38 PM

Mark - Your comment about how less fortunate Blacks view ones that may be more fortunate is wrong.

I think you've misunderstood me. I wasn't suggesting that poor blacks are against or sneer at rich blacks or uneducated at educated. But rather a certain sector of the black populace dub wealthy or educated blacks as "Uncle Toms". But in media terms the "nigga" stereotype embodied largely by rappers is guilty of perpetrating this negativity to a young audience. For every smarlty dressed, well-spoken black man on TV I'm sure you'll find a half-dozen who aren't and play on that. And for them if you do try to better yourself then you're selling out "becoming white" so to speak. It's a terrible message to send and by denying the problem intelligent black people are just as guilty of jeopardizing their kids' futures.

Also it would be would be nice if everyone could stop using the N word to describe what you believe to be a segment of the Black race.

Well, it's not a nice word is it? I purposely put it in inverted commas lest anyone be confused and assume it's my saying. I don't use the word spoken, but nor should we fear it's use in intelligent debate. Especially since you hear the word endlessly from blacks themselves in the media in a negative fashion. Does one black man casually calling another black "a @#%$" or "nigga" as is often the case make the slur OK? No. But blacks have come to accept the slur among their own as much as they rally against it when used by non-blacks. A polarization that's bound to cause confusion. You don't see many white people addressing each other as "cracker" or "honky" do you? Why would they: it's a perceived insult, right? The best way to get rid of the word is for blacks to stop using it themselves as though it were a term of endearment. Sometimes the best solution can be found by looking in the mirror.

The Running Man

03-11-2007, 08:40 PM

I have not even looked at the clip as of yet. What I find disturbing are comments like the one above. I don't know what type of Black (notice the capital B) people you guys/girls are familiar with, but I'm familiar with folks from both sides of the tracks.

I'm probably not doing the best job describing myself, but there is a lot of gray area for this subject. Not all Black people fall into neatly defined stereotyped views as described above. Does the description above happen - YES.
Does it happen as frequently as the various posts suggest - NO.

I'll repeat the first sentence of my post you quoted:

Some blacks would accuse another brother of trying to "be" white if he's not acting like he's from the hood.

Let me ask you, what part of "some blacks" made you understand it as "all blacks" or "the majority of blacks"? Because nothing of what I wrote coincides with what you are implying in your post about mine.

Speaking to parody, I saw Tokyo Breakfast quite a while ago and I still think it's the most damn funny thing to come out of Japan in quite some time, and I wish it would have made it to a series.

The Tokyo Breakfast short was 100% American.

jirpy100

03-11-2007, 10:26 PM

To silver hermit,

Why apologize? We were all speaking non-PC, as it should be. We simply said we don't find the gangster culture attractive (rather repulsive actually), but that it's prominent in the media. And the days of the black-face is long gone, 100's of African-Americans are portraying these characters. Even in their own films. Probably the most intelligent and well-spoken black actor (a Bahaman) I ever saw was Sidney Poitier. Look at his diverse roles, same with Morgan Freeman. Even an action-star like Wesley Snipes takes more entertaining roles without being a stereotype.
How many films are there about bucktoothed farmers and KKK ralies, or slavery? You think we are not ashamed of that, or that we would like to promote a negative side of humanity? It makes no sense to do so. This confuses me of the AA community.

people need to stop looking to TV for their reality and look around you for truth. i doubt the TV stations your watching are owned by negroes or those TV shows produced by negroes.

Get real! There are countless rap & movie stars (who can tell the difference these days) who act that way on-stage and off. Making guns seem cool, speaking some ghetto dialect which lacks any hint of intelligence or refinement and promoting gang mentality which leads to mob behaviour and violence. Even though they are the minority, they get more publicity than anyone else and they are to blame for a lot of social problems. And I bet you they all have well-educated caucasions doing their PR. Don't blame me for that! Civil rights activists fought really hard for their freedom from what I understand.

silver hermit

03-12-2007, 12:18 AM

to jirpy i never said say sorry quite the opposite. i encourage you to say what you feel to a negro and after your hospital stay come back and tell us your findings.

your lip service is not needed to show positive examples of negro role models.
FEP posted a video that had no black people in it, no thug life, no gangsters but oh it must be about black people living la vida loca lets comment ...please spare me. to me its more about the media it's responsibility and influence.
you decide to spout out some bull that has nothing to do with the video. then you respond to my comment with something that has nothing to do with my comment. you get real, aparthied is over buddy we know you have issues accepting it. too bad.
as far as the media goes, they portray "who they want how they want".
fools that just follow what these media outlets say without questioning why and what are the reasons behind why these images are on TV. the media has a greater social responsibility than what they are held accountable for and they need to be. in the early 80's we had bible thumpers saying all types of crazy stuff about cartoons. that the had demons represented and the devil blah blah. these cartoons were removed or changed. but we have all these negative stereotypes everyone says are wrong on TV all the time and no one even blinks. the media is a message and what most people see or hear directly affects popular opinion, that doesn't make any of it true. its this poison that is affecting all of our young people not just young black people. i see white,asian, black all trying to bling bling and talk slang i see it everyday and it makes me laugh. people put on these clothes like its a costume and get into character and act URBAN. the parents aren't down like this cute satire they are pissed of that their kids "act black". guess what black kids parents are pissed their kids act like that too and they don't think its acting black. for every young person you point your finger at there are mothers, sisters, grandmothers that are decent productive parts of society . i don't know who produced "soul food' but that to me is what a black family looked like. all different types of people in one family.

"How many films are there about bucktoothed farmers and KKK ralies, or slavery? You think we are not ashamed of that, or that we would like to promote a negative side of humanity? It makes no sense to do so. This confuses me of the AA community."

i agree its a shame the negative gets stressed more.
now ask yourself
how many slave or kkk references are on tv every day?
how many stereotypes are on tv every day?
what made the world a worse place? slavery? or snoop dogs girls gone wild dvd?

the problem is not snoop dog the problem is how you think and how you see others. 8o

jirpy100

03-12-2007, 05:14 AM

"to jirpy i never said say sorry quite the opposite. i encourage you to say what you feel to a negro and after your hospital stay come back and tell us your findings."

What are you talking about? Even if I had the power to, I'd never talk that way to person!

"you decide to spout out some bull that has nothing to do with the video. then you respond to my comment with something that has nothing to do with my comment. you get real, aparthied is over buddy we know you have issues accepting it. too bad."

Yeah, I'm guilty.;) I always throw that one in because I'm very worried about our future here. The fact is you can't take what was recently a self-sustaining farming community and drag them into the atomic age expecting good results. The simple fact is that there aren't enough educated black people to run the largest economy in Africa. That is surely not racist or that I think an African can't do it, it's just the ones who can are a minority right now. And unfortuntely education is one of the areas which has degraded, slowing down the process considerably. A bit counter-productive, hey?
Since 1994 our economy has grown annually, but that is because of the lifting of sanctions and the laid-off white workers starting their own businesses. All you see in the papers is corruption, corruption, corruption. And the mismanagement is so bad the Reserve Bank had to neutralize R100 million because the government failed to spend it yet they have children literally dying in the streets!!! It's that "we will rather misgovern ourselves than be governed by others" mentality. You must understand how frustrating this is so see a working world slowly being destroyed next to you.

"the parents aren't down like this cute satire they are pissed of that their kids "act black". guess what black kids parents are pissed their kids act like that too and they don't think its acting black. for every young person you point your finger at there are mothers, sisters, grandmothers that are decent productive parts of society . i don't know who produced "soul food' but that to me is what a black family looked like. all different types of people in one family."

So, as non-African-Americans that is exactly what we were saying. We were saying we don't believe that is what the average person acts like, but unfortunately millions of people do believe this. And it's not just about the ignorance, but the negative culture that is spread. And I simply think that all the African-Americans portraying these characters must take their share of the blame. I'd much rather see kids imitating Tiger Woods for instance. I don't like the whole Van Wilder partying, date-raping white-kid culture either. That is just as sick.

"i agree its a shame the negative gets stressed more.
now ask yourself
how many slave or kkk references are on tv every day?
how many stereotypes are on tv every day?
what made the world a worse place? slavery? or snoop dogs girls gone wild dvd?"

Agreed.

"the problem is not snoop dog the problem is how you think and how you see others."

Hey, I don't think bad about my people. And neither were I brought up to think anyone else is less equal. Living in Africa you see a different side of life though. But still, because someone doesn't have an education doesn't make him less equal as human.

Not sure if I made everything worse with this post, hopefully the opposite.

silver hermit

03-12-2007, 10:38 AM

glad we agree on some things. but there is no need to blame a color. its about people
as far as aparthied goes its a crime and it took south africa decades to get it. is the whole world can't be wrong???

In 1973, the General Assembly of the United Nations opened for signature and ratification the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (ICSPCA)[2] It defined the crime of apartheid as "inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them." It mentions racially based acts such as murder, infringement on freedom or dignity, arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, imposition of inhumane living conditions, forced labor, or enacting measures calculated to prevent a racial group from "participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country" such as denying them "basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognised trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association."

thats real

Tosh

03-12-2007, 11:02 AM

but there is no need to blame a color

After reading his post it's very clear he isn't blaming color, but lack of education, and that's a world wide problem that affects every race.

sikmao

03-12-2007, 11:27 AM

regarding the usage of the "N-word", IMHO, it is NEVER OKAY TO USE THIS TERM, regardless of who you are!!!! Unless, one wants to "come off" as being IGNORANT!!!! also, IMHO, folks that DO USE that term, are lacking a certain amount of "respect" for themselves, as well as the elders that came before them!! if you wouldn't say this to your Mother, then you probably shouldn't be saying it @ all!
yet, i would agree, that the REAL CULPRIT here, IS THE MEDIA!!! as far as i know, most of the MEDIA (in all it's forms), are owned by a minority of rich people in power!!! mostly, OLDER CAUCASIAN/WHITE MEN!!! it doesn't seem to serve their current "running streak" of "DOMINATION & IGNORANCE" to have people of color (regardless of race or gender), in too many "Educated" roles, for all the world to see!!! if we all became "educated" & STOPPED WATCHING T.V., IMHO, not only would it be a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD, but you'd also have all the "MEDIA" owners, running around frantically, trying to regain some sense of "control"!!!:rollin

jirpy100

03-12-2007, 12:11 PM

I actually think we agree on most things, we are just at the two extreme opposites of the same issues. I know I can come off pretty strong sometimes. But one has to be firm in ones belief.

"In 1973, the General Assembly of the United Nations opened for signature and ratification the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (ICSPCA)[2] It defined the crime of apartheid as "inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them." It mentions racially based acts such as murder, infringement on freedom or dignity, arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, imposition of inhumane living conditions, forced labor, or enacting measures calculated to prevent a racial group from "participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country" such as denying them "basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognised trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association."

That was real for many, sadly. But nothing is that simple. White South Africans and apartheid have also been stereotyped by your media. And it's harder to move on with people having all kinds of preconceptions about us, portraying us as some demonic majority KKK group. Most European countries or colonies had segregation and such (including USA), it doesn't make it right, but puts our situation in a broader perspective.

There is another side to this situation too. In terms of actual deaths and such it's quite low (21 000 total/46 years). And a white man was jailed if he attacked or killed a black man, there was no "free-for-all" like in Australia where you could legally kill a native with a hunting licence! Plus, no one can dispute that the life expectancy of the natives doubled during apartheid. Allowing them to grow from 6 million to 36 million. There was never any population control. While the medical facilities they received were poor in comparison to what the rest had, it was so much better than what they had, and that is why their health improved so much. After 1994 new statistics showed the life expectancy has halfed again because of AIDS. Partly because the old government didn't do enough to inform them of the disease, and also because the black leaders did nothing to educate their people on proper sexual conduct. It is a social issue after all.
And the apartheid housing still stands, while many of the post-1994 houses are already unlivable, you ask them which governments houses they prefer! Same with education, they had the best black-only universities in the continent, even if it was not as good as the rest.
The average white is a Christian who had no real part in apartheid except in ignoring the little he knew about it, but thousands also helped the ANC, fled the country to escape military service and even died for the cause.

What I'm saying is these days the ANC are simply saying that whites, coloureds and Indians have little rights and that black peope must get everything simply because their skin is black, no matter if that black person was not previously disadvantaged, which leads to the black elite getting richer and the average black is getting poorer because of the degraded judicial, health, civil and education systems.

That is the reality today. But I would rather die than have that system brought back today...

Just had to add, although I'm often in defence of it, I know that the bad outweighs the good, any day of the week.

silver hermit

03-12-2007, 12:49 PM

after reading these posts i feel like i won the lottery by being born in canada. no doubt we have our share of problems but for the most part its nothing like it is there. the conditions you describe in your country are unique to your country. not everyone in your country was going to be happy with the changes that took place.
also we don't have the same problems as the US in alot of things there is a major difference. ignorance is the enemy not people

jirpy100

03-13-2007, 10:23 AM

I think we have the potential to become the first First-World nation in Africa. Our GDP per capita is $12,000 which is really not that bad compared to Eastern Europe, and tons better than the meager $1000 and below many African nations have.
We will have a few downs, possibly an interim of Zimbabwe like behaviour even. I think the transition was too peaceful for many, they need to see some destruction. But after that we'll build up again and become a responsible leader for the rest of Africa. I live in the suburbs so I should be okay, whatever happens. I'll watch it from a distance. I don't wanna leave this country, and if I have to, I'll stay in the neighbouring Botswana or Namibia.
Wish us luck!

Isfahani

03-14-2007, 10:44 AM

Ishfani should you be more sensitive? no. But if you know the word has a negative meaning why use it all? Just because someone else is doing does not make it correct. I understand your point though and have been fighting the issue since the 80's Some things never change.

Rindge

Um, are you responding to two posts but directing it at me?
If I use a word that has a negative meaning, it's often for reaction. Then again, it could have a positive meaning too, it's all relative.

Chen Zhen

03-14-2007, 12:34 PM

i can guarantee u that at least 85% of all black ppl who use the Nbomb on the regular dont really kno y they use it, aside from it sounding "cool" and cuz its something black ppl "should" do.

teako170

03-14-2007, 04:17 PM

use the Nbomb Its actually the "N-word" and the "F-bomb." Don't get the two mixed now as you might upset somebody. I actually you to use the "F-word" itself (a totally different thing altogether) but then had my mouth washed out with soap. Thank you.

jirpy100

03-14-2007, 07:05 PM

hey silver,

If you're interested, this might give you a bit of understanding of our old governments mentality towards the ANC. (This also gives us a chance to move away from the race issue). It's the non-racial side of the conflict (and ultimately the larger issue) which doesn't get much limelight.

As you know the whole world was running around seeing red during this period, and America was really having problems with the Soviet Union and Cuba. Because of the communist agenda, they always helped rebels/terrorists around the world. In our country they wanted the minerals for instance. So, most of the important figures in the ANC also were so-called "card-carrying" members and part of the South African Communist Party (which was underground at time of Mandela's arrest), because they could get big resources and such. This is also why the CIA and British intelligence helped us unofficially - fear of a communist South Africa.
Mandela at first protested peacefully, and during one big arrest he, being a South African educated lawyer, got off scott-free along with all the other members caught. It was a victory and showed they could beat the courts, even during apartheid. Then he was arrested again for a peaceful strike and wanting to help people leave the country illegally. This time he got 5 years.
Then during his prison term the South African government discovered in 1963 the biggest terrorist action yet planned. The ANC was readying 7,000 communist-trained soldiers to enter the country, along with aid from communist soldiers who would enter through the border and onto beaches with submarines (?), and commit a military coup. The ANC was helped by amongst others Cuba, the then Soviet Union, North Korea and probably China too. During his trial he refused to be sworn in, thus he couldn't be cross examined. But he admitted that the 94-page plan for a communist South Africa was in his hand-writing. An ANC member also testified against Mandela at this trial, and for this plan he and other key figures were sent to Robben Island where they attained world-wide fame. Meanwhile South Africa could rest assured that the communist threat was given a significant blow.
It was only really after the downfall of communist Russia in the late 1980's that the old government decided to end apartheid, and Mandela was promptly released.

On Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia):

The Zanu (Mugabe) rebel group was funded by the Soviet Union and North Korea. The other rebel group in Zim was aided by China and East Germany. After attaining power they did their international "peace for all" thing until Mugabe and his Zanu-PF party started their destruction of the capitalist system, and we all have seen the results.
This is what we feared, and still fear for South Africa. Too many ANC members are part of the current unbanned South African Communist Party, and at least one high-placed member openly said they will destroy capitalism here so that the people can have a good life.

How does this sound to you, like a weak excuse or a legitimate fear? Makes matters a bit more gray I think.

Links for further reading:

www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/hi...ibuye.html (http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/mk/mayibuye.html)
etherzone.com/2002/lamp081302.shtml (http://etherzone.com/2002/lamp081302.shtml)

silver hermit

03-14-2007, 09:41 PM

this thread suffers from broken telephone syndrome
FEP starts a thread with questionable content and a outragous title "japs
acting black" that is wrong on so many levels. what was his motive?? seeing how he has not commented in it since posting said clip one has to wonder, maybe to get some members to catch foot in mouth disease IMO it worked. to clarify my position i'm tired of the whole black vs white thing give it a rest there are other races or mixed race people reading this thread out there and i'm sure they are sick of hearing the black and white thing. its silly that FEP's cute little video resulted in the thread being turned into a race thing and there was no need for certin members to demonize a certin race or call that race out when there was no need for it. infact most of this thread was uncalled for.

interesting history lesson there i can honestly say i have never heard of any of this i hope i'm not alone. i allways thought the whole communist plot thing was propaganda from uncle sam, i guess there might be some truth to it. nelson mandela a communist planning a military coup who would have thought? that not swearing in trick is a good one lol i hope the boyz in the hood sipping on gin and jucie are taking notes.
by the way i'm cuban and both of my grandmothers and 1 of my grandfathers are mixed i have spanish, chinese and russian jew in my blood so now you have managed to offend all of my family background... psych!
@tosh sorry to tell you but when every 2nd noun used is right after the word black or colored you are talking about black or colored.
@teako nice play on words , pretty funny 1 liner but i admit i got lost after "I actually you to use the "F-word" itself (a totally different thing altogether) but then had my mouth washed out with soap. Thank you" what the hell are you talking about?
@markway this is all your fault:evil .. well kind of ;O)
for the record the FEP video did not offend me i just disagreed with what was being said that was waaaay off the mark.

Markgway

03-14-2007, 10:20 PM

@markway this is all your fault .. well kind of ;O)

I know you like me really. :smokin

Tosh

03-14-2007, 10:33 PM

@tosh sorry to tell you but when every 2nd noun used is right after the word black or colored you are talking about black or colored.

Um ok? I guess I should thank you for the English lesson?

This thread is dumb, it has nothing to do with General Interests of a kung fu forum, let's just start up a thread about religion, that be real fun! I'm going to go find pics of Asian hooter girls.

Chinatown Kid

03-14-2007, 11:19 PM

Race, Religion, and Politics.....Three subjects almost guaranteed to start a fuss! :\

silver hermit

03-15-2007, 03:01 AM

hey no fuss here we are all good old friends on here talking non-PC . i was just a little concerned about the dangerous language being thrown around i wouldn't want one of our moderators being misunderstood, he did a good job showing his view point.

@tosh that will be 29.95$
@mark i like everyone i even like ric myers :smokin

jirpy100

03-15-2007, 05:01 AM

As long as everyone is being farely civil and not outright attacking anyone or anything, I don't see a problem. God knows I take part in these kinds of discussions! As long as they are kept in the General section though.

One thing silver, I get the impression that you don't quite think i'm a total supremacist neo-nazi anymore, but what does the following mean:

"that not swearing in trick is a good one lol i hope the boyz in the hood sipping on gin and jucie are taking notes."

Ah, stupid me! That's the closest Mandela could get to calling on what is a Fifth in the USA. Crafty bugger. ;)

Everyone have fun now!

Tosh

03-15-2007, 11:41 AM

I want my money back silver, buenos dias does not mean hello:p

Shaolin Dog Paw

03-15-2007, 12:48 PM

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5100/200703102140014081se5.jpg

jirpy100

03-15-2007, 02:07 PM

Shaolin, I don't like where this thread is heading. You will need to post more pictures to explain what you are trying to say.

silver hermit

03-15-2007, 02:31 PM

yeah shaolin and post more pics too :hat

Shaolin Dog Paw

03-15-2007, 02:43 PM

As i was saying...

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6793/200702080352063962gk7.jpg

and

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2792/200702140318009003ig8.jpg

this is a kung fu forum not a soap opera and we need to start focusing on

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8569/hawawb6.jpg

my final point is

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5937/walkek2.jpg

Tosh

03-15-2007, 03:25 PM

I'll take the ones on the top and bottom, we can make a tosh sandwich:lol

Chen Zhen

03-15-2007, 04:21 PM

Its actually the "N-word" and the "F-bomb." Don't get the two mixed now as you might upset somebody. I actually you to use the "F-word" itself (a totally different thing altogether) but then had my mouth washed out with soap. Thank you.

im not getting anything mixed up. many ppl refer to the "n word" as the "n bomb". at least where i live at. not that it really matters..i dont kno anyone who gets offended by saying "nbomb". nbomb or nword, is irrelevant, the point i was making is that 90% of the ppl who say it dont really understand y they do.

teako170

03-15-2007, 06:01 PM

nbomb or nword, is irrelevant Bingoooo! That was my point.
My post was meant to be satirical.
Nothing gets by you CZ ;)

silver hermit

03-15-2007, 08:27 PM

@jirpy hehe don't put words in my mouth neo nazi is a bit strong, i think i said negrophobe. about the boyz in the hood wikipedia sarcasim then ask me again ;)
p.s. what do you have against women? as long as shaolin is civil i don't see a problem do you? i'm glad we can all admire beautiful models without lewd comments but i guess a lewd comment would land under non-PC... enjoy rice kings :hat

Chinatown Kid

03-15-2007, 08:45 PM

Silver Hermit were you telling the truth when you said you even like Ric Meyers?!:eek :lol No, No, say it ain't so.....:b

Keep the hot chick pics coming!!! :D

jirpy100

03-15-2007, 08:48 PM

@jirpy hehe don't put words in my mouth neo nazi is a bit strong, i think i said negrophobe.

I was being sarcastic, my friend!

about the boyz in the hood wikipedia sarcasim then ask me again

Don't worry, when I edited my post I caught what you were saying... I had to place a mental comma and/or fullstop to appreciate your sentence.

p.s. what do you have against women? as long as shaolin is civil i don't see a problem do you? i'm glad we can all admire beautiful models without lewd comments but i guess a lewd comment would land under non-PC... enjoy rice kings

You misread my post, I was encouraging him to post more pictures.

Think you've been up too late.... |I

Tosh

03-15-2007, 10:38 PM

enjoy rice kings

Hey, don't think I don't like the Cuban ladies to, there's more than one reason to head down to Miami.

Sorry, but after watching a couple hours of bare chested men killing each other in unique bloody ways I see nothing wrong with looking at these beauties....

Keep the hot chick pics coming!!!

We probably need a new thread for this.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/ChiSawGang/Art/4547194801038uh8.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/ChiSawGang/Art/4547194801038uhc.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/ChiSawGang/Art/KellyHu-newsgroups0048_KellyXHuXfas.jpg

silver hermit

03-16-2007, 02:11 AM

my bad jirpy i was sneeking a quick post in at work, that will learn me.

i really hope no one takes this thread too serious because if they do i think we will have offended every single group of people except homos...oops

@ chinatown kid i think even christ would have trouble loving that guy. but he is my baby momas cousins dads friends uncles former schoolmate that used to turn tricks for a dollar hookers bastard sons father figure so i guess i have to like him. trust me the man is a genius did you hear bey logan hired him to do a commentary track for dragon dynasty? he got him for a 10th generation copy of magic ring and a lint covered gummi bear from his pocket. sweet deal!

Chinatown Kid

03-16-2007, 02:53 PM

:rollin

Chen Zhen

03-16-2007, 03:36 PM

my bad teako, obviously i didnt catch ur sarcasm b4.

jirpy100

03-19-2007, 12:31 PM

You guys watch Blood Diamond? Silver, DiCaprio plays an ex-Rhodesian (Zimbabwe), South African Defence Force (SADF) / 32 Battalion (Buffalo Battalion) special forces mercenary/diamond smuggler. Also gives a tiny bit of insight into what I said; his battalion fought the end of the 23-year border-war against the communists in Angola. He also mentions how the Africans fought with us, which is quite right. The non-communists (commie=left) were considered right-wing (right=moderate) and both the FNLA in Angola, and the UNITA in Namibia fought side-side with our forces. The commies never got close to the SA border.

And after the border war, which the communists claim we lost, but which oh so strangely coincides with the fall of the Soviet Union (1989), the black Portugues soldiers from FNLA was incorporated into our SADF. They formed Executive Outcomes in 1993, a private mercenary company, served in Sierra Leone, South America, and currently about 8,000 ex-SADF soldiers are serving for the USA in Iraq, because they were considered second-to-none in guerrilla warface, as was our fighters in the Boer War.

Shoot me, I'm a bit of a history buff.

jirpy100

03-19-2007, 01:49 PM

Every time I post something political one of you must post a pic of a hot chick to negate my post. Sounds good? Since the SADF was pretty hardcore it'll take 3 pics to eliminate them. Here an excellent page on these special forces: flecha.co.uk (http://flecha.co.uk/)

silver hermit

03-19-2007, 02:51 PM

nope haven't seen it i allready know that diamonds have been stolen for hundreds of years. might even be some blood diamonds in the bloody crown jewels.

jirpy100

03-19-2007, 04:22 PM

Do you want to help me return the stones to their rightful owners? Appartly the security isn't that tight.

silver hermit

03-19-2007, 07:00 PM

sure i'll need an aircraft carrier and a nuke for good measure

jirpy100

03-19-2007, 08:19 PM

We actually built a bomb that targets commies specifically but it worked liked DBZ's spirit bomb and after 1989 it just couldn't gather up enough energy anymore. It was smuggled in Mandela's bag when he went to give Fidel Castro his uber military award, but the bomb felt sorry for how poorly Cuba's socialism worked and just laughed a lot. Hence, Mandela is known as funny bags. Still, he told Castro what a great country he had and hoped his homeland can be like this one day, as he says in his autobiography:

"Our people lived peacefully, under the democratic rule of their kings. . . . The land, then the main means of production, belonged to the whole tribe and there was no individual ownership whatsoever. There were no classes, no rich or poor and no exploitation of man by man. All men were free and equal and this was the foundation of government."

Wow, Africans had socialism before us, gosh, easy to see why they so readily accepted Bolshevik communism.

Uhm, ya, back to jewels. I'm just a poor African and can't afford that machinary for you, sorry. |I

silver hermit

03-20-2007, 12:28 AM

that was almost funny work on it you'll get a sense of humor one day.

"Our people lived peacefully, under the democratic rule of their kings. . . . The land, then the main means of production, belonged to the whole tribe and there was no individual ownership whatsoever. There were no classes, no rich or poor and no exploitation of man by man. All men were free and equal and this was the foundation of government."

you say that like its a bad thing, whats wrong with people sharing and living as one? europe went in and divided it (like the snake in the garden of eden) without asking those that lived there and underdeveloped it while robbing it of its resources and inflating their own econamy with stolen gold and diamonds. i won't even bother to ask you to understand the symbiate relationship of your forefathers and that land(its a waste of breath). who the civilized man and who the barbarian is is not so easy to tell apart in the example of your country. your views sound like double standard retoric on one hand you say survival of the fit but when the victim looks like you its an outrage. you condem murder yet your country was built on murder and oppression and you wish for the good old days on top of that. don't play it like oh my relatives didn't do this they didn't do that. if that sat and watched these things go on and didn't do anything about them they are guilty too but i'm not their judge.

your country might be a first world country one day but it will take a united south africa not just 15% of the people even though they control 85% of the wealth. all disporic and displaced people should make it their mission to take their education and experience back to africa and enlighten it, civilize it again and remove those false borders because what exists there is a civil-lies-nation(africa on a whole) not a civilized nation plain and simple. we have that chance but we have bubble headed pro athletes and entertainers more interested in the bling bling. those fools should go buy a damn diamond mine or build a school in africa. i heard 50 cent chromed his whole car a 250,000$ car at that. when someone asked him why he did it he said i have nothing better to do with my $. what an ignorant fool i can think of 1000 things he can do with that $. but i must stress people are not the enemy ignorance is and there is no doubt there is alot of ignorance there and alot of people that belive in it.

jirpy100

03-20-2007, 05:08 AM

i won't even bother to ask you to understand the symbiate relationship of your forefathers and that land(its a waste of breath).
Firstly, no need to get personal.

I can certainly agree with most of that. That exact apathy you are refering to is why things like Nazi Germany happened, and why it will happen again. Is it right that the predominately rich white society around the world ignores what is going on in Sudan (protesting and talking about it doesn't help the millions of relatives of dead brothers/sisters/fathers)?

But I'm not doing anything about it either, and I suppose neither are you, why is that? Why can the West make movies costing $200 million when you can feed an African family for a lifetime for a fraction of that cost?

And you might be right, black people in USA insist on being called African-American yet I doubt half of them can point out Zimbabwe on a map (on second thought, most people probably can't). I'd like to think I'd do the right thing if I had the money, but who knows, money changes a person.
I'm done ragging on Mandela. The guy can die in peace. But we'll have to see whether his legacy will be preserved...

You keep talking about ignorance, but I'm pretty sure no one taught you not be ignorant, it is something inside you that makes you wanna know what's going on where and why. I think most people just find it convenient not to think about it and focus only their own short life. I wonder what the previous generations in South Africa in the 1940's thought, how did they think their offspring would be treated in this country 50 years later? They were surely ignorant, but then the West has always had a bit of ignorance beneath all that technology and "superiority".

So nevermind my big mouth, I'm fair, I care and everyday when a black person comes up to me asking for some money or a job I think to myself, "how did this happen?" and why did they let it happen... Mandela said it would take 5 or 6 generations to get past this, and I think that applies to everyone. Both parties made many mistakes.

The reason I keep replying is because you are mentioning some good points and it's not often that one can have such an open discussion about such sensitive issues. You've made some good points and gave me a few things to think about. Tell me a bit about your country.

Our president wrote this in his Friday column:

"Historically, it may be that those accustomed to living in a world of fear have always found it difficult to believe that those they defined as a threat could ever see them as part of a new world of hope, enjoying freedom from fear...Thus, even in changed circumstances, such as ours, when time and practice have proved that the phobias of the past were
mere phobias, those used to frightening themselves or being frightened by others, would not find it too difficult to revert to the accustomed world of fear of the future."

I'm having a hard time with this paragraph. It's true that white people have not been the biggest target of crime after 1994. But our fears shouldn't be made outright to be propoganda or racism as he claims in the complete letter. But the basis of what he says is true, we, I, have that looking over my shoulder thing, but it's not because of race, but because of plain and simple fear. I don't think a black person looks over his shoulder differently than I do though.

Lastly, to end off, the ONLY reason USA became the superpower it is is because they exterminated the natives. Otherwise they would've been in exactly the same spot as us. That I firmly believe. End of discussion from my end...

The Nature of the South African Ruling Class (http://www.marxists.org/subject/africa/anc/1985/nature-ruling-class.htm)