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The Running Man
11-06-2006, 02:08 PM
There was a bit of hype on this title before it's release in Korea and before it's release on DVD. Surprised that after it came out, no one here was making any noise about it. I guess it just means that they saw it and found nothing really to say about it. :b

But anyway, I'd figure I'd jump start a discussion on this flick. Just a word, this will be more of a post about the action than the actual movie itself.

Overall, it's okay. It's the story of a man (Jung Doo Hung) coming back to his old town (now a cop) and seeing his old friends after one of them has been murdered The film, directed Ryoo Seung Wan (who also is in the film), has a good energy with itself and knows how to move. It was promoted and hyped to be a top notch action movie, and if you are expecting that you will be disappointed. Again, it's pretty good, just not anything I'd really call memorable.

The thing with Korean cinema, when it comes to action, is that I see it as a sort cross between Hollywood and Hong Kong (and I don't mean that in a good way). While Korean cinema seems to be picking up on things from Hong Kong such as wire work and a bit of creative choreography, but when it comes to the filming of these scenes, they seem to have the ignorance of Hollywood. Bad angles and bad editing.

This is interesting especially when it comes to Ryoo Seung Wan, because I remember around the time it came to release this film, I heard about something he was doing like in a college or film school or whatever where he was conducting some sort of class on action film making. He brought some Hollywood films and also some Hong Kong films to discuss. The reason I find this interesting is because when I look at Mr. Ryoo's work as an action director, he doesn't seem to have really learned anything from watching Hong Kong action films.

Anyone who has a good eye for action film making will notice that the best action in Arahan was the fight scene in the cafe where Ryoo Seung Bum fights those bullies. The fight is about more a less a minute and in a movie that's filled, and created to be filled, with lots of epic, mystical battles, it turns out that the best action was a simple fight scene in a cafe. Lesser learned viewers would naively think it's because of the lack of wire work. It has nothing to do with that. The reason it is the best fight scene in the entire movie is because it is the only scene where the angles are the best and the editing is not screwed up. For anyone with the Arahan DVD, check out the deleted scenes. In one of them, it's a deleted camera angle to one of the sections of the final fight. It's an angle that basically stays close to the bad guy (Jung Doo Hung) and circles around him while the other two go at him with their swords. It's mostly all done with one shot and it's really good since you get to see the performance and the choreography of it all. This was totally discarded in the final cut of the movie for a bunch of weak angles and bad editing. Not only does this demonstrate that Ryoo Seung Wan is not a good action director, but it also demonstrates that the fight scene in the cafe was a fluke.

I feel sorry for Jung Doo Hung, who is the go to guy in Korea for action choreography. All of the films I have seen him that he worked on the action for, have all be badly directed and edited. This is too bad because from what I could tell, he is a talented choreography but unfortunately no film I have seen him do best shows that off on screen. As such, the same continues for City of Violence. Although it is better than Arahan which I found to be just weak overall, COV just barely rises above mediocrity. Again, the film does have a good energy to it and there are some bits here and there that are inspired, and some even in the action (for example a scene caught from a bird's eye view angle where Jung and Ryoo and fighting a bunch of opponents, they stop, and then continue again), but it's just ends up being mostly "ho hum".

I heard news that Ryoo Seung Wan declared that with City of Violence he has said everything he wants to say about action cinema. I guess he didn't have that much to say. :\

jmungus
11-06-2006, 05:51 PM
moderately entertaining imo. fights scenes, hmmm.... not on par with the action in arahan; quite decent for a korean actioner, but sub par in a ma-movie context.

also agree with the above said about choreo and editing in korean flix, generally speaking.
it worked for me in arahan (which i appreciate so much in a way that i find it a solid, well rounded piece of popcorn cinema entertainment, that leaves little room for picking on some bad angles... or a bad acting performance, or ..., simply cuz its good fun all the way. the cafe-fight does stand out tho, thats true.).

'korean editing' worked extremely well for me in shadowless sword; then again it didnt work in sword in the moon (a 2003 period flick i watched last weekend), where the action choreo and fight scene editing happens to be a real letdown.
i`d rank the design of COV`s action scenes s/w between arahan and SITM.

since i have never watched a korean ma-actioner with flawless action choreo- and cinematography devoid of wires and weird editing/short bursts of crappiness throughout otherwise decent action sequences, i`ll assume there are none.
i mean, if i expected a good fight choreo with reasonable angles and editing in bichunmoo, the flick would become unwatchable to me.
approaching it as a whirlwind of extravagant period/fantasy action, then its not a bad movie at all.
suspending disbelief works for leaky, convoluted plots, it can also work for action (to a certain degree only of course).

rounding off my post with a score for COV, i give it 6/10 and recommend it to ppl who like their action flicks based in a realistic, modern environment, who are suckers for a bit of the typical korean melodramatic vibe, but who like the mood and flow of their flicks lighter than ie "SPL", "bittersweet life" or "dog bite dog". people who got a kick out of s/t like "attack the gas station" but wished there was some choreographed ma asskicking in it.
ppl who dislike basher-type streetfighting youngsters messing with triad mobsters stay away from COV.

D1 Ma
11-06-2006, 10:51 PM
There's nothing to discuss, really. I totally agree with The Running Man. The plot is weak and has been done to death, bad acting and overacting, un-envolving characters and average action. I don't know about the angles, but I didn't like the editing and pacing. As for choreography, it was mostly taken from many other films,( like that "hair grab", which was stolen from Blonde Fury)...Not the worst movie ever made, but just average in any sense. Far less entertaining than Arahan

Chinatown Kid
11-07-2006, 02:25 PM
What is the style of fight choreography in this film? Does it feature flashy style Taekwondo kicks and other martial art style techniques or is it more of a brawling type choreography like maybe Oldboy?

The Running Man
11-07-2006, 03:23 PM
Mostly the former.

Chinatown Kid
11-07-2006, 07:17 PM
Thanks RM, I might check this film out if the fight action is decent.