U.S. Shaw Brothers announcement thread (UPDATED 4/30/06)

[Linn1]

Boxer's Omen and Black Magic. I'll be doing liner notes for these releases along with, I hope, some well known names in the kung fu community. They will be coming in late summer of this year. The reasoning behind this is that they are the titles that will require the least amount of effort soundtrackwise and the like to put out. If anyone has anything that can be used in the extras including trailers, lobby cards, etc, please contact me at kungkid@hotmail.com

[magicpoe]

Linn,

Thank you for passing that information along to us. To bad they weren't able to start releasing in April.

Do you know if Image will be able to get the original trailers from Celestial?

I have the stills that were originally posted here by other forum member for Boxer's Omen and Black Magic but I'll wait for those members to contribute them first.

[kungfusamurai]

Linn,

Is Image going to be doing their own work-ups from the original negatives (i.e. remastering the video and audio themselves) or are they just getting what Celestial fixes and throws at them?

Also, is Image going to be carrying over some of those bonus features from the IVL dics onto their releases (eg. interviews; featurettes)? Perhaps Image could see if Wild Side Project in France is willing to share some of their bonus features. They've put on some interviews and featurettes (like Citizen Shaw) that weren't on the HK Shaws. They didn't have english subs, so that might be another incentive for collectors who may have already bought the IVL versions to buy the DVDs again.

KFS

[Chemical Lemon]

Hey Linn, thanks for the update. I remember hearing that the celestial DVD of Black Magic was cut (It's the only version I've seen, so I wouldn't know). Have you seen the version Image will use yet? If so, do you know if they have a more complete copy (if the celestial was in fact cut)?

Anyway, good luck, looking forward to your commentaries, thanks again for the info.

[Markgway]

Linn said he was doing liner notes, no mention of commentaries. Are you doing commentaries? I thought BLACK MAGIC sucked, but haven't seen BOXER'S OMEN so might check that out.

[Shaolin Patriot]

Also, is Image going to be carrying over some of those bonus features from the IVL dics onto their releases (eg. interviews; featurettes)?
I think a previous post mentions that they will. It would definately be great to get some of the Wild Side stuff too.

[Linn1]

Is Image going to be doing their own work-ups from the original negatives (i.e. remastering the video and audio themselves) or are they just getting what Celestial fixes and throws at them?

They have requested certain titles to be re-done. I don't know the exact titles. I know that Chinese Courtesan and a few others couldn’t be gone over again because the prints were too fragile. The audio will be correct, the plan is for there to be nothing additional or subtracted from the sound as it was originally heard.

Also, is Image going to be carrying over some of those bonus features from the IVL dics onto their releases (eg. interviews; featurettes)?

They have access to all the IVL stuff from what I understand. I'll ask to make sure.

Perhaps Image could see if Wild Side Project in France is willing to share some of their bonus features. They've put on some interviews and featurettes (like Citizen Shaw) that weren't on the HK Shaws. They didn't have english subs, so that might be another incentive for collectors who may have already bought the IVL versions to buy the DVDs again.

You and Patriot should be pretty happy. As luck would have it, an old friend of mine does all the extras for these releases. You will see some of this and MORE not released in France on the U.S. releases. :) Please note, I can't say you'll see that for sure on these first couple of releases.

Hey Linn, thanks for the update. I remember hearing that the celestial DVD of Black Magic was cut (It's the only version I've seen, so I wouldn't know). Have you seen the version Image will use yet? If so, do you know if they have a more complete copy (if the celestial was in fact cut)?

The idea that the dvd was cut came from some lobby cards up at asiandvdguide that showed some stuff that was not in the film. These could have been promotional images of scenes planned or could have been scenes cut from the original release because they didn't work. As far as I'm aware, these scenes have never turned up anywhere else. If anyone has any other info, please e-mail me.

Linn said he was doing liner notes, no mention of commentaries. Are you doing commentaries?

As of right now, I'm not doing commentaries for these. And no way I can do liner notes for them all, but I would LOVE to! It comes down to:

A. I don't really have a lot of time with all the companies I work for on the SIDE of my real job, let alone stuff I do for fans needing help on questions, books, papers, interviews, translations (I haven't forgotten you Yves!), etc. Walk On said once I was the hardest working guy he knew and I'm starting to agree!

B. I'm not being paid for any of this, which I really need to be to justify the time involved in more than just liner notes.

C. I AM getting paid by other companies for the same thing (liner notes,commentaries, etc) and it's not really fair to me.

I'm doing all this (liner notes, back copy,searching for extras, sending them my personal copies of all the films, etc ) simply because I love these films and want to support them anyway I can.

Since this is now on nearly every forum dealing with Asian films (thanks guys!), if there's fans reading this with truly rare Shaw related items that can enhance these dvds, share them. I'm not saying send in all your rare stuff and never see it again. I'm saying copy what you can copy. These releases are seeking to be the best in the world from a fan perspective and with your help they can be. I know fans often hoard rare film, footage, dubs, trailers, etc, in hopes that one day they can blow others fan's minds by saying, "Well, I've got this...." Well, now you have a world stage with which to do so. The time of hoarding things for your singular enjoyment has passed. It's time to share and show the world what fans of kung fu films have known for all these years, these are films worthy of respect.

Or maybe I'm just up to late and need some sleep. ;)

[HAZ74]

This thread should be a sticky.

Can't wait to see these DVDs! I was looking forward to an April release, oh well...

[killer meteor]

Good choices for releases, since they have appeal to both Asian cinema and horror fans, plus the grindhouse junkies who saw Black Magic back in the 70's.

[Shaolin Patriot]

Thanks, Linn, for the great news. We all appreciate your time and efforts in attempting to make the Image/SB project the best that it could be and hoping that it eventually becomes a resounding success.
Since Boxer's Omen was not listed as 1 of the 18 titles by Image earlier, will there be a distribution schedule published of all 30 titles in the near future?

[Linn1]

are Super Inframan and The Water Margin AKA Seven Blows of the Dragon. As before, if anyone can help with these via lobbies, posters, trailers, etc., please let me know. Thanks to everyone for their work so far!

[killer meteor]

The second batch sounds great.

[gfanikf]

Linn did you try getting in touch with August Ragone or Damon Forester for Inframan?

[Linn1]

WAY ahead of you there! Damon was the first guy to give me a writing gig back in the day, but we lost touch a while back. August gave me his contant info last week, so I'm trying! :)

[Reincarnation Of Thundering Mantis]

last time I saw Damon Foster he was on one those "real video" tv shows putting some scorpion his face, looked like it was at some sort of comic conventions.

I wonder if he has some extra vids for sale?

[HAZ74]

Hi,

When can we expect to see Super Inframan and The Water Margin? Are those expected in September or maybe in the fall?

thanks

h

[gfanikf]

WAY ahead of you there! Damon was the first guy to give me a writing gig back in the day, but we lost touch a while back. August gave me his contant info last week, so I'm trying!

Excellent :) . If any two men in this country know about Inframan it would be those two.

Linn do you know if Inframan will contain the two English. The Titra one and I supose the standard shaws one. I suspect the later must exist and it may make the film even GOOFIER .

[killer meteor]

I hope The Water Margin has the extra footage from the US version - hell even the full edit! - and an interview with Uriah Heep. Well, maybe not the last one...

[Linn1]

Inframan will have one English dub and Water Margin will have the extra US footage and dub, but not the entire edit.

[GwaiLoMoFo]

Hey, where did my post go? :x I will not be censored!!! You mods crack me up.:lol :rollin

[gfanikf]

Inframan will have one English dub

Hmm wonder which one it will be The Brenner Titra one or the But still one?

[Shaolin Patriot]

Hey Linn, this inquiry might have been addressed in an earlier thread, so sorry if it's redundant. Will Image be featuring an English subtitle option, in addition to Chinese and English dubbed audio? I'd certainly love to hear that English subs will be included, since many prefer sub over dub and it adds to the entertainment experience. Some of the major studio DVD releases, such as Fox and Sony/Columbia Tri-Star, are offering English subs as an option to their martial arts titles, in addition to Chinese/English audio.

[Isfahani]

Hmnn I wasn't aware that InfraMan had two dubs.
Can anyone tell which one is which? I have the standard VHS-to-DVD boot of it that is in trading circles.
(recently corrected the aspect ratio on this too...)

I have an InfraMan US release poster, Linn. What should I do with this so as to help?

[killer meteor]

I assume the US has better voice acting, whilst the standard uses the regular bunch. If it's like the US Godzilla dubs, there may be some genuine Asian actors doing the dubbing but I couldn't say for sure

[Linn1]

scan it and send it to me. As for the dub, it's only a guess there was a HK dub created for this. I've never heard it and don't know of it really being out there.

[gfanikf]

Linn, you may want to ask FLK Pete about it. I thought he once mentioned to me that there were two dubs. He may have it but I may be mistaken.

[chen lung]

How about if two dubs are put on the release to make everyone happy:D ?

I know it might seem a waste but any chance of alternative English opening credits and a full cast/crew listing in English?

Would be nice to see a subtitled audio commentary if non-English speakers are willing to commit to the release:D .

Oh, and another thing;) ! Beg them not to do slipcases for these:rollin ! It'll only cause havoc for purists and mad buyers (like myself):) !

[HAZ74]

Hey Linn, this inquiry might have been addressed in an earlier thread, so sorry if it's redundant. Will Image be featuring an English subtitle option, in addition to Chinese and English dubbed audio? I'd certainly love to hear that English subs will be included, since many prefer sub over dub and it adds to the entertainment experience. Some of the major studio DVD releases, such as Fox and Sony/Columbia Tri-Star, are offering English subs as an option to their martial arts titles, in addition to Chinese/English audio.

My understanding is that we'll have the option of dub & subs. Please correct me if I'm wrong, though.

Is there a release date for Super Inframan?

thanks

h

[chen lung]

Yeah, Linn said there would be english subtitles (improved) at some point:) . It would be silly not to right enough;) !

[Linn1]

How about if two dubs are put on the release to make everyone happy ?

The only options on these discs are English soundtracks with forced English subtitles. I asked why, and they said, "This is to get back at those jerks at HK Video."

I know it might seem a waste, but any chance of alternative English opening credits and a full cast/crew listing in English?

No.

Would be nice to see a subtitled audio commentary if non-English speakers are willing to commit to the release .

There will be a Cantonese commentary by the Shaw Brothers Studios cafeteria lunch lady, subtitled in German.

Oh, and another thing ! Beg them not to do slipcases for these ! It'll only cause havoc for purists and mad buyers (like myself) !

Actually, I asked them if the cases could be snappers that are slipcased, then covered by little karate Gi's. Even the horror titles, I thought they'd look cute.


And yes, all of these answers are NOT serious. This is largely because I think Scott would like it if every dvd release came with a clone of the main star to make you lunch, as they answer all your questions about the film. And I know this may derail the thread, but I couldn't help myself to have a chance as some good natured ribbing. :)

[killer meteor]

Personally, I think slipcases are a gratuitous waste of poor trees.

[chen lung]

"This is to get back at those jerks at HK Video."
Sure is:eek ! Nice on Linn!

This is largely because I think Scott would like it if every dvd release came with a clone of the main star to make you lunch, as they answer all your questions about the film.

Whoa! You're a mind-reader:eek ? Actually, I was hoping it would be the real stars themselves:( .

OK, back to reality:) !

What are the real answers for these:evil ?

[Ministry88]

Will BLACK MAGIC 2 be coming out by Image too Linn? I'm asking because Celestial just punked out and dropped it from their schedule! Also, I suspect that all the available versions of it are cut (well, at least the ones I've seen). And when exactly does Image plan to release the uncut HUMAN LANTERNS? Finally, does Image have any plans to release these other SB horrors:

-BEWITCHED
-PORTRAIT IN CRYSTAL
-BLOODY PARROT

**Thanks for any info!

[Linn1]

>How about if two dubs are put on the release to make >everyone happy ?

That's IF there's a second dub to be had. I'm trying.

>I know it might seem a waste but any chance of alternative English opening credits and a full cast/crew listing in English?

Maybe.

>Would be nice to see a subtitled audio commentary if non-English speakers are willing to commit to the release .

No commentaries so far, but there's going to be some great interviews!

Will BLACK MAGIC 2 be coming out by Image too Linn?

Good to see ya Stephen. Not this batch, but I want to see it released as well.

Also, I suspect that all the available versions of it are cut (well, at least the ones I've seen).

Yes, it's well known that the most common version out there is a TV print.

And when exactly does Image plan to release the uncut HUMAN LANTERNS?

I don't know exactly. I'll be doing liner notes for this one and searching for some cool extras as well.

Finally, does Image have any plans to release these other SB horrors:
-BEWITCHED
-PORTRAIT IN CRYSTAL
-BLOODY PARROT

Not this batch, but I'm a HUGE fan of Portrait and Bloody Parrot. And I MUST see Bewitched, as it's the first part of Boxer's Omen. I'll be pulling for them in a second batch.

[Ministry88]

Linn, thanks so much for the prompt, detailed response! And, of course, your involvement in these projects. I just know us cult/horror film fans are in good hands with you on board! I've been in the horror film field for the better part of a decade now, have written hundreds of articles, interviews, reviews for websites and a couple of books, and collected hundreds and hundreds of films and talked with many collectors, filmmakers, and critics. I've found that many people in the cult film critic business are pretentious know-nothings who love ripping people off. You're one of the few I respect, and it was echoed when my friend Dang Vu said you were a "stand-up guy" for sending him that Hong Kong filmmakers programme for his Five Venoms project. Just want to say thanks for all the help and the info all this time...

[Shaolin Patriot]

I hope there will be the English subtitle option, without the repeating sentences and poor grammar that the IVL versions had.

[Tosh]

Hey Linn, it's cool your doing this for the love of it, it's a hard thing trying to make a living at the same time.

Which movie did you say was going to be released, Web of Death or Battle Wizard?

[peringaten]

Speaking of Shaw horrors - any likelihood of Image picking up Seeding Of A Ghost?

[Linn1]

I've found that many people in the cult film critic business are pretentious know-nothings who love ripping people off.

First off, thanks for the kind words. I too have met these types and I do my best to not be an "expert" on these films. My goal is to spread my love for them.

Which movie did you say was going to be released, Web of Death or Battle Wizard?

Web of Death. I hope Battle Wizard will be picked up next time. Ditto for Seeding of a Ghost, which they DID want to get this time BTW.

[Druust]

Is there a timeline for release of these version? Can I add them to my list for Santa this year :) ?

[Linn1]

the first two releases are set for April or early May.

[magicpoe]

Cool.

[Isfahani]

Linnnnnnnnnn-ah!

Do you have any idea how hard it has been trying to scan a poster that size? I give up. More suggestions plz.

Also, for those of you who just can't wait:
Infra Man Grossly Overpriced "rare" VHS tape on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Infra-Man-VHS-English-Language-Shaw-Brothers-Rare_W0QQitemZ9113226222QQcategoryZ309QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

I wonder if this is the farked-up aspect ratio print that everyone seems to have..lol

[Markgway]

Only $80?

Think I'll buy one for each day of the week. :D


:rolleyes

[Ministry88]

You said the first two releases will be April or May? Do you mean the first two Image releases will be released April or May? I though they were coming out in the fall. And one of those titles is BOXER'S OMEN right? I just want to make sure I have this right. Thanks:)

[Linn1]

You said the first two releases will be April or May? Do you mean the first two Image releases will be released April or May? I though they were coming out in the fall. And one of those titles is BOXER'S OMEN right?

Everything I'm talking about in this thread deals with Image. The first two releases are Boxer's Omen and Black Magic. Both will be out in April or May as it stands right now. Understand, release dates are VERY fluid. All kinds of things can change when something is coming out from current films, to other companies releases. This is as it stands at the moment.

[Ministry88]

Linn, I just checked Image's website and it lists BLACK MAGIC as coming out on September 12. There is no listing of BOXER'S OMEN anywhere. We shall have to wait and see I guess...

[PaulyOne]

heres the link to the black magic prerelease info

www.image-entertainment.c...ctID=48016 (http://www.image-entertainment.com/detail.cfm?productID=48016)

[chen lung]

9 minutes:eek ?!

My god, you sure Image are wanting the best for these Linn:rollin ?

[Markgway]

That must be the PG-13 version? :p

[MEGATONE]

If you need some italian material please let me know.

[Linn1]

My god, you sure Image are wanting the best for these Linn

HA! Don't pay much attention to the site guys, as it's mainly there to put the titles up. All the info I'm posting is coming from the man in charge of the collection, so it's corret. And Megaone, drop me an e-mail at kungkid@hotmail.com.

Thanks!

[HAZ74]

Hi, Linn,

I was wondering: now that you've been involved with the actual production of these Image DVD's, what would you say are the most challenging aspects of putting out a quality DVD? Is it hard to find good translators for subtitles? Are there nuances to the chinese language that are difficult to convey in english? Has it been difficult to assemble archival footage & materials? I can imagine the whole process must be complicated.

Many thanks! I'm looking forward to getting these Image DVD's!

haz

[Linn1]

considering I'm not involved in the production, I can't tell you too much on that. I'm simply getting together extras they couldn't find or getting together writers to do liner notes and helping them with the writing and editing of the notes as well.

[Linn1]

everything is going very well on my side of things. My dream was to get a nice grab bag of well known and not so well known writers (and friends) for the liner notes, and so far so good. These include Mike Leeder, John Charles, Kenny Woo, Damon Foster(coming out of semi-retirement), myself, and I HOPE some others I haven't heard from yet. More info as I get it.

The Image version of Super Inframan SHOULD be one for the ages. All I can say right now, is the extras will be very worth it to check out if your a fan of the film. I've set something up that I don't want to give away now in case it doesn't work out, but it will be VERY cool and a first AFAIK. Even if it doesn't work out, this should be the best version of the film.

For all of us that have been waiting so nicely for these first ever legit US dvd releases of the Shaw Brothers films, here's a treat. I'm going to start dropping out titles that are coming but haven't been revealed yet.

First title: Disciples of Shaolin AKA Invincible One :)

[magicpoe]

You got my money on that one, especially with the Eng dub. That was the second Shaw Brothers movie I saw back in 1986 on the Friday night late movie. First was Flying Guillotine.

Thank you for the update Linn.

[lacali]

If Image's Invincible One comes out before Celestial then I will definitely drop Celestial release and collect the US Image version of this title. Hopefully, Image will put both Chinese language with English subtitles and English dub in all Shawo DVDs.

[PaulyOne]

here are the only links I could find to other future shaw releases from image on their site with release dates

09/12/2006 - Black Magic
www.image-entertainment.c...ctID=48016 (http://www.image-entertainment.com/detail.cfm?productID=48016)

10/03/2006 - Super Inframan
www.image-entertainment.c...ctID=48030 (http://www.image-entertainment.com/detail.cfm?productID=48030)

10/17/2006 - Water Margin, The
www.image-entertainment.c...ctID=48014 (http://www.image-entertainment.com/detail.cfm?productID=48014)

11/07/2006 - Magic Blade, The
www.image-entertainment.c...ctID=47996 (http://www.image-entertainment.com/detail.cfm?productID=47996)

11/21/2006 - Boxer's Omen, The
www.image-entertainment.c...ctID=48000 (http://www.image-entertainment.com/detail.cfm?productID=48000)

12/05/2006 - Intimate Confessions of a Chinese Courtesan
www.image-entertainment.c...ctID=48008 (http://www.image-entertainment.com/detail.cfm?productID=48008)

[chen lung]

If Image's Invincible One comes out before Celestial then I will definitely drop Celestial release and collect the US Image version of this title.
You must mean IVL/Deltamac. Remember that Celestial have no relation to the DVD release, the simply supply materials;) .

Anyway, Disciples of Shaolin sounds nice!

I'm still concerned about the language issue. Just don't rely on the notorious databases:b !!

[Linn1]

all releases are planned to have the original dub (where this has been one) and the original language. And again, those dates are not correct, nor are the order. As of right this second, it's Black Magic followed by Boxer's Omen.

[chen lung]

the original language.
We had this debate before Linn;) !

For example:

THE MASTER:

IVL/Deltamac: Cantonese and Mandarin soundtracks.
Siren: Mandarin.

Hard to say which language was the correct one. Siren were most likely the ones to get it wrong. The Cantonese (or whatever) may have been reissued soundtracks (seeing 1980s were most popular to have Cantonese reissues for Mandarin films).

What is your source gonna be to get the correct 'original' language (between the choice of Cantonese or Mandarin) without assumtions:p ? If nessesery and they don't have a reliable source, ask them to include both just to stay on the safe side;) .

If there is 2 different English dubs, they will include them as you said, right Linn:) ?

[Linn1]

the language comes from the Shaw Brothers own list of original production/release languages. This was given to Image and the plan is to follow this to the letter. You'll also note, Black Magic will be coming in a special case with a reproduction of the original theatrical poster included, and the original trailer as one of the extras. Forgot to add, most films didn't have two English dubs. But Image will be putting what they can on there.

[chen lung]

Cheers for the update:) .

I'm not sure if that release schedule is gonna be reliable, Siren released 'The Master' in Mandarin which could well have been a mistake thanks to either them or this list you mention. Another instance is 'Fortune Star' who assume Cantonese is the correct language for the BL movies (with the exception of GOD/ETD).

A special case:o ? Please advice them against it as it'll only bugger up collector's shelves for differing cases (like IVL).

Make sure Image subtitle the trailer and if possible, clean it up to their best if Celestial aren't going to bother.

Don't use DVNR or other cheap filters unless absolutely nessesery:) .

Celestial are a right bastard when it comes to video, they trim out little (and the occassional big) sections, frame cuts, newly created title cards. God knows if it's gonna be restored truly.

[Linn1]

I'm not sure if that release schedule is gonna be reliable, Siren released 'The Master' in Mandarin which could well have been a mistake thanks to either them or this list you mention.

The list says Cantonese for The Master, so it was a screw up by Siren. To be blunt, I'm going to TRY to make sure they don't screw up, but I have no control over these releases other than the liner notes. :)

Another instance is 'Fortune Star' who assume Cantonese is the correct language for the BL movies (with the exception of GOD/ETD).

In this case you're dealing with a company in Image that is used to dealing with cult film collectors through both the Criterion Collection, and their other labels. I think it will be far better than a company that for years upon years have never cared about the fans.

A special case ? Please advice them against it as it'll only bugger up collector's shelves for differing cases (like IVL).

Sorry, already done. BTW, it's a slip case. So if you don't want it, you don't have to the leave it on. These are for selling to the US market, not for matching with every other title in existance. And yes, I'm getting snarky now.

[chen lung]

Sorry, already done. BTW, it's a slip case. So if you don't want it, you don't have to the leave it on. These are for selling to the US market, not for matching with every other title in existance.

Na, I'm talking about if they do the odd 'Special case' release, the rest of the ordinaries (by Image) won't match. Plus, it could be argued that some of the more popular titles are getting less attention or something by doing this.

I was just using IVL as an example as they included slipcases and later on, they stopped. That was my mistake for not explaining clearly:) .

Besides, slipcases are a waste of money and it's a case of cutting more trees down. Tell 'em to save their money on this and bribe Miramax for some titles!

Will they always be manufactured in slipcases or is it just a limited pressing before it reverts to the 'regular' amaray cases?

And yes, I'm getting snarky now.
(gulp)

[chen lung]

Hey Linn

Another thing, you gonna be doing commentaries for these:D ?

[Linn1]

Na, I'm talking about if they do the odd 'Special case' release, the rest of the ordinaries (by Image) won't match. Plus, it could be argued that some of the more popular titles are getting less attention or something by doing this.

All of them will have this from what I understand.

Besides, slipcases are a waste of money and it's a case of cutting more trees down.

The cases are metal. :)

Tell 'em to save their money on this and bribe Miramax for some titles!

They will not give up their titles. Others have tried.

Will they always be manufactured in slipcases or is it just a limited pressing before it reverts to the 'regular' amaray cases?

Right.

[chen lung]

Right.
What's right?

Donno if you noticed the 'audio commentaries' post:) .

Aye well, first step of a likely forthcoming disaster for Image:D ! 'The Legend of the slipcase':D !

[Linn1]

The slipcases are for the first release and limited. Afterwards, they will be just the normal case beneath.

[chen lung]

How long before the limited batch stops?

Will Image release two seperate versions at the same time?:

One Limited.
One Regular.

[Markgway]

So there will be amrays under the metal slip cases right?
I hate fancy packaging myself and will just ditch the tin.

As for the original language thing... on that Image site the language listed for Super Inframan and Magic Blade is Cantonese. But it should be Mandarin. That's just a web error, I hope(?)

Why not use both Chinese languages to be sure? Better than two English dubs.

[chen lung]

You're right Mark.

It is a concerning issue and there is NO guarantee Celestial have provided an accurate list. I strongly urge you (Linn) to persuade Image to include both soundtracks to be absolutely sure. Otherwise, there's an open risk of mess-ups.

The 2 English dubs (depending on release of course) would be icing on the cake (for collectors/purists) but if it can't be done, then it's understandable:) .

This slipcase issue is really annoying and can be done without. To top that, it maybe risky for their first set of Shaws (expensive to produce too). If they want the greatest for them, they should keep their suggestions open (maybe pop on the forum from time-to-time).

[Linn1]

I've already sent them that suggestion(of putting both tracks on there), AND I sent them what tracks are correct for the titles. As for the listings on the site, again I'll say that that is simply a posting of the title. Everything else is just "there." For instance, the stuff listed as extras on the Black Magic disc isn't correct. Don't hold much stock in what you see there yet.

[Shaolin Patriot]

all releases are planned to have the original dub (where this has been one) and the original language.

Linn, I just want to confirm that there will be optional English subtitles. Is this also to be included or will it be strictly English dubbed audio? Also, will there be French and Spanish subtitles, as are common to region 1 DVDs?

[Linn1]

there will be English subs. As for the others, I'm not sure.

[Mantis FIST]

This is really good stuff. I cant wait!

[Shaolin Patriot]

there will be English subs.

Thanks Linn. This is really great news. I find it much more enjoyable to read the English subs., since the translations are different than the English dubs. I'm hoping that the English narratives (i.e. translations of on-screen Chinese characters to introduce actors, signage on buildings, etc.) will also be subtitled.

[Markgway]

translations of on-screen Chinese characters to introduce actors

That would be useful for lesser known actors or well known actors in disguise. ;)

[chen lung]

I THINK we've covered nearly everything:D .

Just the restoration of missing frames (including damaged and frame splices) and actual footage. Linn, did you tell Image about this:) ?

Yet again, sorry to be a pain:p ! Just want everything to be perfect:D .

Bare with me:) .

[Ivy Ling Po]

When can I pre-order them from Amazon?

[killer meteor]

"The list says Cantonese for The Master, so it was a screw up by Siren."

More by Celestial, who is so bloody pro-Mandarin, every title they've licensed to a non-Asian distributor had a Mandarin track only, regardless of what the original language was.

[tylerpistol]

From clubtokyo.org message board user GFan....

SUPER INFRAMAN (aka INFRAMAN) (1975)
Street Date: 10/03/06 SRP: $19.99

The original mind-boggling, fast-paced monster mash! When the nefarious Dragon Princess invades Hong Kong and summons monsters up from the center of the Earth for her army, Earth's meager defense team joins together to create Inframan! With multiple powers at his disposal (including laser eyes and thunderball fists), he sets out to vanquish his enemy forever in the action-packed audience favorite that will have you cheering!

Starring Danny Lee (The Killer, The Untold Story, Tragic Hero), Terry Liu (Oily Maniac) and Hap Wong (Shadow Whip)!

Includes original Cantonese version with English subtitles and English-dubbed version! Also includes printed liner notes, printed collector's insert about martial arts films from Shaw Brothers, original trailer and a gallery of stills. 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen.

[Markgway]

Includes original Cantonese version with English subtitles and English-dubbed version! Also includes printed liner notes, printed collector's insert about martial arts films from Shaw Brothers, original trailer and a gallery of stills. 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen.

Oops!! :o

[chen lung]

Oops!!

This is a Mandarin production then? "oops!" right enough:o :o !

Linn:\ ?

[Linn1]

these are temp specs written up by people given the info, and the disc has not even been pressed yet. Please wait to see the actual product before jumping all over it. But I'm sure there will be something wrong, as there always is. That is the way of fans, and I'm one too. :)

Edit-They've already started fixing the info on there and will get to these soon. Direct from the company:

"Black Magic is definitely Mandarin, and the rest should be corrected shortly."

[chen lung]

Smashin' Linn;) !

Don't worry, wasn't jumping around and I had my suspicions initially:p .

[Linn1]

here's the release dates. You'll note they have been pushed back a bit. Also, the announcement of who's doing liner notes for the titles:

BLACK MAGIC-Linn Haynes
RELEASE DATE: 09/12/06

SUPER INFRAMAN-Damon Foster
RELEASE DATE: 10/03/06

WATER MARGIN-Kenny Woo
RELEASE DATE: 10/17/06

THE MAGIC BLADE-Linn Haynes
RELEASE DATE: 11/07/06

BOXER'S OMEN-Linn Haynes, at the moment
RELEASE DATE: 11/21/06

INTIMATE CONFESSIONS OF A CHINESE COURTESAN-John Charles
RELEASE DATE: 12/05/06

More to come. I still haven't heard from a few people about liner notes, so keep your fingers crossed on that. And fans of Inframan, if it all works out, it will be the coolest disc of the batch IMO. I can't wait to see it. FYI, Boxers Omen runs at least five minutes longer than the old cut Taiwanese release. Image has gotten the rights to the French extras (with the exception of Citizen Shaw, which is still in talks). The French extras used will include possible UNCUT versions of the interviews which were cut for stuff that didn' deal with the films at hand. Also, many of the dvds will be using classic Dewolf soundtracks and "stings" on the menu screens thanks to Paul. All of the dvds will feature still galleries with lobbies, posters, and other bits from all over the world. This is largely thanks to the work of Brother Ken and many others. Again, if anyone would like to contribute anything to these releases, please contact me. You will be thanked on the dvd.

[sammofan]

Even though this was a Mandarin production in my opinion Cantonese is more appropriate for this film because of the Hong Kong setting. Same goes for all those other Mandarin productions set in Hong Kong.

[Markgway]

WATER MARGIN-Kenny Woo RELEASE DATE: 10/17/06
INTIMATE CONFESSIONS OF A CHINESE COURTESAN-John Charles RELEASE DATE: 12/05/06


These are the two I'll be buying... assuming the ones I have need upgraded. I'll wait for comparisons.

[Shaolin Patriot]

Linn, glad to hear that Image will be using the actual Dewolf menu soundtracks and stings. Do you know if there will be motion menus or just plain static photography? Have you seen any packaging samples yet, particularly of Water Margin and Super Inframan?

[lacali]

Great news that they'll release this for the US market in DVD format. Now that if IVL still gets cheap by releasing good Shaw flicks on VCD only they can shove them up their greedy mind and keep them forever. I'll buy the US Boxer's Omen DVD for sure even though it could be more pricy.

[Linn1]

My liner notes have been "okayed" for Black Magic, including a thank you to the kung fu fandom forums. Now on to Magic Blade! :)

Linn, glad to hear that Image will be using the actual Dewolf menu soundtracks and stings.

Please note, I said "some." Some of the releases will have Shaw Brothers music, but perhaps not EXACTLY the music from the film in question.

Do you know if there will be motion menus or just plain static photography?

Don't know yet.

Have you seen any packaging samples yet, particularly of Water Margin and Super Inframan?

Not yet, but soon. And I'll post it.

[Shaolin Patriot]

Some of the releases will have Shaw Brothers music, but perhaps not EXACTLY the music from the film in question.

No problem, as we'll all be looking forward to hearing the original SB music throughout the films, unaltered.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

No problem, as we'll all be looking forward to hearing the original SB music throughout the films, unaltered
Agreed (entirely).

[Kung Fu Zombie]

Hey Linn. Any plans yet for Shaw Bros on HD-DVD or Blueray?

[killer meteor]

I doubt it. The head of Image was in a news article a few months ago and he wasn;t convinced by HD DVD. Personally, I don't see the need for it either. As long as the film is OAR, original sound and progressive, I'm happy

[sonnycheebasmoke]

cant wait, ill be buying all these titles!

[limubai2000]

I wouldn't expect a company the size of Image (re:small compared to Sony/Toshiba) to go either way until the dust settles.

It would be nice if they were DVD9 which from the Black Magic specs it appears they will be.

[magicpoe]

Linn,

Everything still go for the release of Black Magic in September and Super Inframan in October? I see they are listed on Image's website.

Also, is the audio for Super Inframan really going to be 5.1, as the website says, or is that a misprint.

Thank you for any information you can provide.

[Linn1]

far as I know the dates are correct for the titles on their site. As for the audio, I'm not sure. It depends on where they got the English dub. All of these I know of so far are mono.

[gfanikf]

Linn can you confirm that these entries on hkflix.com are the only extras or can we expect more besides the liner notes?

Black Magic
www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/fil...etails.htm (http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.538636/qx/details.htm)


Inframan
www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/fil...etails.htm (http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.538638/qx/details.htm)

[Linn1]

a little bit more on both releases. But as I said, the first couple of releases in this series will be the lightest on extras because they couldn't get some things right off the bat. BTW, the language tracks are correct on these.

[gfanikf]

Cool I've been deciding wheter to spend my scare tip money (all other money is going to savings) on the image releases. I think I'll give it a try since there so cheap through DDD at least on the first volume to give it a try

I was just reading through the thread and remebered some of the earlier things about the releases. Are extras from the French set still planned (besides Citizen Shaw)?

Also I was wondering what caused the shift in schedule and the order?

So no dub for BM darn. Oh which dub is on Inframan and did Brenner give Image any crap about the release?

[Linn1]

I know the first one comes with a reproduction of the original Shaw Brothers poster and some other stuff. I know my text interview with Hua Shan (director of Inframan) is also on the Inframan disc. The still galleries are actually poster and lobbies galleries as well.

Are extras from the French set still planned (besides Citizen Shaw)?

Yep, but they will be longer versions of the interviews, ditto for the stuff IVL had on their dvds as well.

Also I was wondering what caused the shift in schedule and the order?

Just the order in which they could get the elements.

[gfanikf]

Sweet thats good to hear. I can deal with waiting the extra couple of months rather than get cut and pastes of the IVLs with no other work. I just can wait till we get to hear mono tracks on the kung fu flicks becasue I tell you that when Mono has appeared recently on IVL discs Mercs from HK its crisp clean and wonderful

Just to confirm Black Magic has not dub? Odd as it is listed in the catalogs and such oh well guess the Shaws never held onto it. Shame it wasnt like with Toho where they still had a dub for Atragon lying around for Media Blasters to use (it was one of the earliest they ever did and had never appeared anywhere)

PS
Oh did you get my pm at FLK

Thanks

[Linn1]

ALL of the Image releases have dubs so far. I don't know why HKFlix has it listed that way. As for the PM, got it and responded. Check your box, as sometimes it doesn't tell you.

[gfanikf]

Linn,

Thats great to hear. Honestly the dubs are like an extra in them self for me. :) Where any of the Image Shaws previously not available in dubbed form besides I think Boxers Omen and Intimate....Courtesan

I checkrf for the PM but its not there and I recently got one for another person so it may not have sent try it again there or the one at ezboard. Sorry for all the run around

[chen lung]

Were there any problems with video (progressive 24fps optional telecining), audio (complete soundtracks that may have been problematic on IVL DVD, sourcing export international dubs), restoring footage and stuff?

Cheers again:D !

[sevenhooks]

Hey Linn,

Sorry to keep badgering you with these silly inquiries, and I know we've spoken via email in the past about this, but re: the english dubs, when you say...

ALL of the Image releases have dubs so far.


...does that include "ALL" the films on their initial list?
Like Boxer's Omen, Legendary Weapons, etc.?

Can't wait to finally see some of this stuff!
:D



Also, somewhat related, I read somewhere that the Wienstien's "Dragon Dynasty" label will in fact be releasing the Shaw Brothers stuff they got from Miramax at some point in the not too distant future.
Anyone here able to confirm?
And with Bey Logan running things to an extent, might that help in any way in procuring the original english dubs, or is that simply a dead issue at this point?

[chen lung]

I'll have contact with DD so I'll try and get anything (export international dubs e.t.c.). Got a list of stuff - can you add to it?

It was confirmed in the press release that Celestial's were included and very likely the titles initially from Miramax. I can't see them picking up anymore than the 30 titles that may not be great and successful.

[Linn1]

...does that include "ALL" the films on their initial list?
Like Boxer's Omen, Legendary Weapons, etc.?

All the films we know have dubs will have them. AKA Boxer's Omen (which I'll be getting a copy of the Image version soon) doesn't have a dub track.

[gfanikf]

So if the dub list matches the film then we should get a dub. Do you know if Image was able to get a dub for Monkey Goes West?

[Linn1]

but what I mean is, if you have heard a dub of the film, Image has that dub at least. That is all I know so far. In other words, I don't know of a dub for Boxer's Omen, but I know Legendary Weapons of Kung Fu was dubbed. The well known dubs have survived. So far, the others haven't been found. But they are still looking.

[gfanikf]

They apparently should get Don May from Synapse on it as he just recently found the entire original negative to Halloween before it was about to be junked. So the plan is we kidnap him put him on a plane landing in various countries (like that CIA plan but without the torture and such :P) and have him hunt out the valuts :)

[bobo]

say could someone post a revised complete list of all IMAGE shaws and release dates if possible--- THANKS

[Linn1]

these are the only dates set in stone at the moment.

09/12/2006 - Black Magic
10/03/2006 - Super Inframan
10/17/2006 - Water Margin, The
11/21/2006 - Boxer's Omen, The

BTW, the covers are getting better IMO.

[gfanikf]

I guess since it's cheaper for me I should be happy about them stopping the two releases a month idea. In theory though communism works.

[Linn1]

just not every month. Like January of next year has two releases.

[gfanikf]

Cool I guess they dont want to flood the consumer intially. Thats good to hear. I cant wait to check out Black Magic.

[Markgway]

10/17/2006 - Water Margin, The

That's the only one this year I'm interested in.

Linn, do you know what the differences are between the upcoming Image and existing IVL release?

Worth an upgrade? (I'm not bothered about the inclusion of any dub)

[Linn1]

Here's the extras for the first three I know of at this moment:

1.Black Magic
-Full size reproduction of the original poster
-Limited edition box
-Original dub track
-Extensive gallery of stills and lobby cards
-Liner notes by me :)


2. Super Inframan
-Original dub track
-Print interview with Director Hau Shan I did this past year
-Liner notes by Damon Foster and August Ragone
-Original trailer
-Extensive gallery of stills and lobby cards


3. The Water Margin
-Original dub track
-Original trailer
-Love scene added to the US version
-Interview with Paul Chun
-The Master: Chang Cheng, Elegant Trails: David Chiang, and Elegant Trails: Ti Lung
-Extensive gallery of stills and lobby cards
-Liner notes by our own Ken Woo

As they go on, these will have more and more extras. The Lobbies and stuff included here are NOT just the stuff from IVL, but posters, lobbies, and photos from all over the world. Image got the rights to the French extras, as well as most of the IVL stuff. And the French interviews and docs will be longer than they were on the French discs. I honestly can't wait to see Image's DVD of Intimate Confessions of a Chinese Courtesan.

[chen lung]

YES!!! Nice one Linn:D !

I'll be getting the regular editions;) .

Will that commentary from the German cafeteria lady still be included :o ?

Will Image fix up the subtitles in the extras too?

Was this love scene included for all export English versions or just the US release? Will it be anamorphic, remastered and possibly include black&white lead-ins/fade-outs to show where it was initially in the film?

Now that things are more in shape, these will be optional 24fps Progressive flagging?

Anything on subtitle tracks to accompany English dub (onscreen text)?

Did they manage to get trailers from other countries? Ebay German sellers often bring up some super-8 trailers.

Do you think Image could manage biographies/filmographies or maybe a retrospective on the making of the film and about the film itself (like HKL with 'Bullet in the Head')?

I honestly can't wait to see Image's DVD of Intimate Confessions of a Chinese Courtesan.
I wonder if Image managed to have another restoration done as reports say the top of the image is missing?

[Linn1]

from now on, you get one answer. Pick the question. ;)

[chen lung]

Awwwww:( .

[gfanikf]

Scott,

Image wanted to do work on ICCC but the negative was to badly damaged to do another transfer.

[Markgway]

I'm always interested in extra/deleted footage. Even if it is just a bit o' softcore shot for the int'l market. ;) Which actors does this scene involve? I've only seen the subtitled dir's cut.

Interview with Paul Chun Pui should be good too - a fine character actor over the decades. Should have some choice anecdotes about his brothers.

Who's Ken Woo btw?

I honestly can't wait to see Image's DVD of Intimate Confessions of a Chinese Courtesan either... ;)

[Linn1]

ICCC (nice one Ian) should be a lot of fun. The love scene was added when Roger Corman asked for some sex in the film. He then promptly cut the movie down to nothing. :) Ken Woo is Kenichiku.

[chen lung]

OK, but I'll kinda do it around the one topic;) .

DELETED SCENE:

What's the quality?

Did it receive remastering by Celestial or Image?

Is it full 2:35:1 anamorphic?

How was it sourced (through Celestial perhaps)?

Would be nice to see this 'black-and-white' fade-in/fade-out effect to show where it was initially.

[Linn1]

the answer is...

I don't know. Thanks for playing. :)

[chen lung]

Thanks Linn:D .

[TheManInWhite]

"these are the only dates set in stone at the moment.

09/12/2006 - Black Magic
10/03/2006 - Super Inframan
10/17/2006 - Water Margin, The
11/21/2006 - Boxer's Omen, The"

Linn - it appears that, according to Image's website, Water Margin is slated to come out Nov. 7.

[Linn1]

guess they moved it back a bit. BTW, got the check disc for Image's Boxer's Omen today. :)

[sammofan]

does boxer's omen have the cantonese soundtrack included?

[fusheng007]

Does Boxer's Omen include ORIGINAL TRAILER?

[Chemical Lemon]

Just got an email from deep discount that my Black Magic DVD shipped. Probably won't arrive till the actual release date, but figured I'd give a heads up to anybody on the lookout for it.

[Vorvadoss]

theres already a review for "Black Magic" over at Dvdmaniacs. Looks like the transfer and such is a mixed bag. Sigh...

Black Magic Review (http://www.dvdmaniacs.net/Reviews/A-D/black_magic.html)

[chen lung]

Great:rolleyes ... Can't Image redo this disc? Hope others don't suffer the same.

Thought Image weren't going to include remixes?

If it's not going to be redone, then I'm afraid it isn't the definative version.

[Linn1]

so can't say anything about the PAL to NTSC, but I don't understand why you don't like the sound options Scott. It includes the original mono AND the remix, along with the English dub.

Edit-I would also like to note, this is a check disc they are reviewing there. Meaning it's a disc to check and make sure everything is okay before the title is mass produced. This could be a problem that has already been seen and fixed, and could even be a problem with the disc itself that the reviewer got a copy of. I'll ask, but I would wait to see a review of the actual disc. I would also say write in to Image through their website about the problem and your concerns.

[chen lung]

if it's got a GOOD remix with original elements used - like 'Heart of the Dragon' Universe DVD (and not just an upmix without much to it or something like 'Warriors Two' HKL when the remix had nothing but loud noises) then by all means:D .

Initially, Image were hell-bent on mono soundtracks only - Unless Celestial threatened to lock up the staff at Image in a cinema room with an atrocious remix playing until they gave in to their demands:rollin .

I apologise if I jumped in but for internet readers, Image may have tarnished their reputation thanks to this possible copy of a completed disc. Reviewing a test disc is rather stupid, and you'll know why. I really do hope there are no problems in the final product:o .

But it is a relief all the same;) .

Thanks for doing this Linn:) .

[Vorvadoss]

Ahhh thanks for the headsup Linn.. I just skimmed the review over at the maniacs. *missed that its a check disc* And I totally agree.. Why even review a check disc. So maybe there is still hope and the problems were fixed. *crosses fingers*

[killer meteor]

If the final disc is PAL-NTSC, that makes the disc less desirable but the English dub makes me favour it over the HK disc so I'm still happy - if a bit disapointed. Damn Celestial for being so short sighted

Including a remix might be a contract thing but don't forget some people look at a site like DVD Compare and see that the HK DVD has 5.1 sound - regardless of the fact it will be as aurally pleasing as two skeletons copulating on a tin roof - and automatically go for that so by including it on the DVD Image is covering all bets

[chen lung]

but I would really moan over an NTSC>PAL upconversion as you require additional resolution (unless for example: 'Dance of the Drunk Mantis' Soulblade was an NTSC disc and everything in an upconvertion should just fit a PAL resolution to correct the problem).

PAL>NTSC means more resolution for NTSC (anamorphic and progressive maybe received in the process too) so I don't see any real problem as long as everything is converted correctly.

I'm not a fan of up/down-converting as resolution is stretched a little meaning for loss-of-detail and generally, it ****s around with the image...

Shouldn't these films be taken from HD sources anyway?

Sites like DVD Compare have unfair reviewing systems and that fact they assume higher channel set-ups win automatically without reviewing the quality does my box in - a few other things too.

[Linn1]

and they have looked at the finished disc and to quote:

"we looked over the disc and the only problematic motion shot was [an extremely short] shot of a waiter's black pants on a white background, which was a problem inherent in the source."

They went on to say that the finished disc showed none of the problems listed in the review of the check disc on the setups they tried it on.

I think it's going to come down to fans actually seeing the discs for themselves. But as you said Scott, even if the disc is fine, the damage is done by reviewing a check disc and not the finished product. And to be honest, it could be any number of things from the review being correct, to something being up with the reviewers dvd player, or the disc itself.

[chen lung]

Much appreciated;) .

We still on that 'One Question' rule:( ?:b

[chen lung]

Are there subtitles on the Celestial promos?

Will Image include both Cantonese and Mandarin soundtracks or just the language the film was made in (for both promos and the film)?

[killer meteor]

PAL>NTSC means more resolution for NTSC (anamorphic and progressive maybe received in the process too) so I don't see any real problem as long as everything is converted correctly.

The conversions on the IVL DVDs are poor, with ghosted frames and a nasty videotape shot look to them. I think it is possible to do a decent conversion by changing the frame rates but I'm no expert on this.

Shouldn't these films be taken from HD sources anyway?

AFAIK there aren't any. Celestial's restorations were done with non-anamorphic TV broadcast in mind. Personally I don't like their restorations. Picture is too soft, framing is suspect - Challenge Of The Masters in particular seems very heavily zoomed in, with info drifting off the top and bottom suggesting the camera operator was drunk - , the inital failure to make anamorphic masters and the ongoing lack of digital masters, the shoddy subs, the remixes and the horrid noise reduction which blights even their mono tracks - similar to Universal's first DVD release of Frankenstein

[chen lung]

Really?

That's a really shame!

The French DVDs have proper anamorphic transfers, so something's fishy.

[Linn1]

which is why their DVD of Black Magic is about four and a half minutes longer than the HK disc. They asked for new masters from original prints for all the releases, but many of the films are in such bad shape they won't hold up to another round. The few that will, they got new masters. Which means that it's unlikely we will see HD masters for these films for now I would guess. And the IVL conversions got better as they went along. They are worlds better than the old tapes, but the first year or so, they weren't great shakes.

[Bidou Laloge]

image dvds will end soon in the 1.99$ bac at walmart, i'd like to see a real professional company taking cares of these movies, not a bunch of amateurs who doesn't know how to press a dvd... what a shame, what a joke :rollin

[killer meteor]

Image are not amateurs. They are a top range company and I have more of their releases than any other company.

[Bidou Laloge]

strange i never heard of them before the shaw dvd saga...

[sevenhooks]

Yup, all the Image discs I've had up to this point were on point.
Especially dig their treatment of their Spaghetti Western releases.
I'm just NOT feeling that Black Magic cover.
So is it set in stone? That's the one that we're gonna see tomorrow?

[gfanikf]

Yeah but I would blame Celestial for that as Image had to have there approval for everything and Linn indicated that Celestial nixed some really cool ideas.

[sevenhooks]

Like what??!

:o

[gfanikf]

beats me I'm just reposting the gist of what Linn said. Heck I would have been happy if they just jacked the the French ones lol

[Linn1]

Image wanted to use the best original poster art (using lobby cards or posters from around the world as sources) on these releases, but Celestial wouldn't let them. Like every distributor putting out films owned by a large company, Image has to submit stuff to Celestial for aproval. Ditto for HKL, Fox, etc. This is why they are doing the deal to give away a copy of the original poster for Black Magic. They were not happy they had to use the covers they have.

And Bidou, Image is considered one of the better DVD companies in the world. They own Criterion and HMV, among others. But thanks for sharing all the same. :b

[limubai2000]

One only has to look at the Fearless Fighters Image DVD to see how good a release they did with that MA title. They even tracked down the US director and editor and they did a wonderful commentary chock full of good 70s kung fu era in the US info.

I might also add that Image is sending, me mailer, after mailer, after mailer regarding the Shaw releases and their other MA and asian titles. I have 2 Black Magic ones, Exocist Master, and about 8 others. I get about 1 every week. Pretty good considering I send the mailer in the FF DVD back to them for the free poster (again GREAT).

It sucks that they reviewed a check disk without a BIG disclaimer stating that is was a check disk and the final product may differ, what jack-asses.

[killer meteor]

DVD Maniacs can be unreliable. They reviewed BCI's Chinese Hercules and said the disc was 1.85:1 when it's actually 2.35:1. And they made a real hash out of reviewing Pathfinder's Tattoo Connection

[killer meteor]

That reminds me, did Pathfinder go into releasing Tatoo Connection expecting to get an actual film print from First Films?

[Linn1]

and he was saying the DVD was 16:9 widescreen.

[Linn1]

and it doesn't look good. They don't show them playing on a player, but looking at it through Win Amp, it doesn't look to hot. Hopefully more info to come.

[Vorvadoss]

Where at on there site Linn? I checked there forum nadda. Maybe I just did not notice it hehe.

[Linn1]

under the "another attempt at a Shaw Brother thread"...thread in the Asian section.

[bobo]

future IMAGE release dates: LEGENDARY WEAPONS OF CHINA--jan.9 --DEADLY BREAKING SWORD--jan.23 --HAVE SWORD WILL TRAVEL->feb.6 --WANDERING SWORDSMAN->feb.20 --MAGIC BLADE->may.22. no word yet if any of these have the english dub available--but from what i understand english dub versions do exist for these tittles. i will buy all these for sure if the dub versions show up.;) :rolleyes

[gfanikf]

I though HSWT doesnt exist except for a turkish broadcast of the film where the dub can be heard underneth same with The Pirate

[Markgway]

future IMAGE release dates: LEGENDARY WEAPONS OF CHINA--jan.9 --DEADLY BREAKING SWORD--jan.23 --HAVE SWORD WILL TRAVEL->feb.6 --WANDERING SWORDSMAN->feb.20 --MAGIC BLADE->may.22.

Will be keeping my eye on these two: LEGENDARY WEAPONS OF CHINA and HAVE SWORD WILL TRAVEL.

[sevenhooks]

PLEASE let them find the dub for Deadly Breaking Sword!!!


PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSSSEEE!!!!



:D :D :D

[gfanikf]

I've all for that to

Any Leads 7?

[sevenhooks]

No leads I know of.
I know it was part of the last World Northal Black Belt Package under the title of "Breaking Sword of Death". So the dub DOES exist.
It just never played anywhere on US tv to my knowledge.
In fact that last package never played anywhere in it's entirety as far as I know.
A couple of the films (Battle For Shaolin, Claw of the Eagle, Boxer From The Temple) DID play in places like LA, where quick thinking Bill Connolly managed to tape them, which is the source for the english dubbed versions we have of those 3 films today.

I just hope Image has the will to REALLY go after these english dubs where and when they exist.
I think we can all agree that a great deal of Image's success with these films here are going to depend (in large part) on this very issue.
Linn, if you're listening, and if it's not too late, please explain to Image that the english dub of Deadly Breaking Sword DOES exist and to plead with them to make a real concerted effort to procure it from Shaws/Celestial.
Same for any of the Shaw films they plan to release that had english dubs made for them (Legendary Weapons, Heaven and Hell, Battle For Shaolin/Shaolin Intruders, etc.).
Many a fan will thank you and Image for it - in the way of steady patronage.

[bobo]

personly i feel haveing the english dub will be the make or break success of thier shaw releases. after all if people just wanted the asian version they could just buy the celestial version.:lol

[killer meteor]

Hey, the original mono track for the Chinese versions is another deal breaker.

[Linn1]

but what the heck:

I've stressed to Image that they need to find mono language elements of the original soundtracks, as well as all the dubbed versions they can. I even sent them a list of all the films with their correct original languages and what ones have been known to have dubs. FYI, Celestial DOES NOT have all the dubs. They have some original sound elements left, but certainly no where near everything. So those expecting a mother lode of English dub tracks from any DVD label releasing these films will be disappointed. All the Image releases have mono (Cantonese or Mandarin) soundtracks included. I know of none they don't have mono versions of. If they didn't, I've already helped them find them. They have also asked for completely new masters from the original elements that can still take it. I noted the couple I know about having already been done on the list below. There may be more, but I'm not aware of them. They REALLY wanted to do some more (Intimate Confessions among them), but most of the elements couldn't take it.

Here's the current slate of releases so far with mention of ones I KNOW have English dub tracks. This doesn't mean ones I don't note won't have dub tracks, but just that I haven't heard anything yet about them yet.

BOXER'S OMEN (This DOES have the original soundtrack. BTW, it looks GREAT!)-11/21/06
CAVE OF SILKEN WEB-12/12/06
LEGENDARY WEAPONS OF CHINA (Sub and dub)-01/09/07
DEADLY BREAKING SWORD-01/23/07
HAVE SWORD WILL TRAVEL-02/06/07
WANDERING SWORDSMAN-02/20/07
SHADOW WHIP-03/06/07
VENGEANCE IS A GOLDEN BLADE-03/20/07
SHAOLIN INTRUDERS (Subbed and dub)-04/10/07
BELLS OF DEATH (Subbed and dub. Uncut)-04/24/07
HEAVEN AND HELL(Subbed and dub)-05/08/07
MAGIC BLADE (Subbed and dub)-05/22/07
INTIMATE CONFESSIONS OF A CHINESE COURTESAN
06/05/07
HUMAN LANTERNS(New master. Uncut)-09/04/07
KILLER SNAKES (New master. Subbed, dub, and uncut)-09/18/07

And then there's all kinds of extras I can't mention yet.

[bobo]

linn1---if your list of dubs is true i,ll buy all those tittles. yeeeehaaaa:rollin

[PaulyOne]

hey linn, do you know if image plans to do posters for any more of their shaw releases? the black magic poster is AWESOME.... I would most definately buy all of their releases if they have a poster offer (I'll probably buy them anyway though)

[m burlock]

Linn1,

Is the "Legendary Weapons of China" release date still Jan.9th and is the "Deadly Breaking Sword" release date still Jan.23rd or have their dates changed?


mburlock

P.S.
Checked with Image's website: Deadly Breaking Sword, Shaolin Intruders, Bells of Death, Human Lanterns, and Killer Snakes aren't listed (as to be released).

P.P.S.
Intimate Confessions... and Magic Blade are slated to be released in 2012!! According to Image's website.

[bobo]

IMAGE release of DEADLY BREAKING SWORD is listed on AMAZON for NOV. 6 /2007.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

Ahh, so this is where to find the info on Images releases. Completely forgot about this thread being updated. Sorry Linn. I must say certain parts of this forum are like unexplored recesses of some dark forest which I forget or neglect to peer into...

[Ivy Ling Po]

Human Lanterns & Killer Snakes should be released first since they are remastered from new & uncut masters. Does this mean the IVL of Intimate Confessions Of A Chinese Courtesan is already uncut?

[m burlock]

Deadly Breaking Sword in Nov. I saw that too. >:

[Markgway]

Will keep my eye on these...

Mandarin:
HAVE SWORD WILL TRAVEL (02/06/07)

INTIMATE CONFESSIONS OF A CHINESE COURTESAN
(06/05/07)

Cantonese:
SHAOLIN INTRUDERS (04/10/07)

[bobo]

is SHAOLIN INTRUDERS still coming out on april 10 ?

[m burlock]

Is "Bells of Death" still coming on Apr. 24th?

What happened to "Shadow Whip"? Where is it?

[bobo]

as far as i can tell BELLS OF DEATH is listed for july 3/ but i wouldn,t bet on it at this point. SHADOW WHIP on april 3/---HEAVEN AND HELL on may 8/this one is supposed to have the english dub---and DEADLY BREAKING SWORD on nov 6/ eng dub on this one to. a number of thier other tittles seem to be postboned.

[Vorvadoss]

My shadow whip shipped a few days ago. I was surprised it shipped so soon before the street date.

[m burlock]

I had heard that "Shaolin Intruders" was to be released in Apr. but when I web searched Amazon and Image I found no listing for this film, let alone a release date! Any news on this one anyone?

[bobo]

yes---BELLS OF DEATH is now officially listed on image website for release on july/3--with a cover shot. this one is supposed to include the english dub even though its not mentioned on the site.:rollin

[killer meteor]

Can anyone confirm that Have Sword, will Travel and Vengeance Is A Golden Blade have been properly converted to NTSC speed? After Wandering Swordsman (which seems to be suffering from the same problems as Super Inframan), I'm not buying anymore

[m burlock]

What happened to "Magic Blade"? It was to come out on May 22nd. I searched Image's website and all I got back was the "no results found" message or something like it. Anybody know anything?

[bobo]

say linn--did you ever get that complete 30 tittle list of image shaw releases? and if so is there any conformation which ones will actually include the english dub.(example-DEADLY BREAKING SWORD) thanks

[chen lung]

'Shaolin Intruders'.

A proper NTSC version in mono with the original English dub/Cantonese and nicer subtitles would be very welcome :) . I sold off my IVL DVD when I heard of this release, but I'd be as well buying it back knowing the lousy contract...

[bobo]

yo---the rumour was that IMAGE was releaseing this with the original english dub BUT they were also reported to be releaseing HEAVEN AND HELL - BELLS OF DEATH with english dubs as well. and we all know what happened there. its still unknown if DEADLY BREAKING SWORD will include the english dub as promised. as for SHAOLIN INTRUDERS theres no more mention of it on their website-- only time will tell.

[Linn1]

I stopped working with Image when I realized they weren't serious about fixing the problems or even remotely addressing them. I don't have enough time in my day waste on something I know won't be fixed. As for the dubs, I hope for the people that did work on this stuff that they do put them on there. We'll see.

As for the list, they never sent me one with the soundtracks. I was told Heaven and Hell and Bells of Death would have them, but no luck.

[m burlock]

Any word on what 4 Shaw titles will be released by Dragon Dynasty in Nov.?

[oldeschool17]

no word as of yet as far as i know