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falkor
04-10-2007, 12:27 AM
1) Wei Pai's Snake
2) Lu Feng's Centipede
3) Lo Mang's Frog
4) Sun Chien's Scorpion
5) Kuo Chui and Chiang Sheng's Gecko

Chinatown Kid
04-10-2007, 12:48 AM
1. Toad
2. Scorpion
3. Centipede
4. Lizard
5. Snake

falkor
04-10-2007, 12:51 AM
You rank Wei Pai's performance last... Surprised you liked Toad the best... I see you wasn't too impressed with Gecko, either. I think Chiang Sheng was a bit lazy just using that...

Chinatown Kid
04-10-2007, 01:02 AM
Well actually I like The Scorpion the best but admit I'm biased because I'm a TKD stylist. I ranked them that way because that's how they seemed to be portrayed in the film, from the most powerful to the least powerful. The Gecko style just didn't seem too deadly with the gimmick of climbing up walls and The Snake probably should have ranked 4 instead of 5 but I prefer Kuo Chui over Wei Pei and think he's more talented. ;)

falkor
04-15-2007, 10:29 PM
And after analysing the fight scenes, I've actually changed my mind about the rankings:
1) Centipede
2) Scorpion
3) Snake
4) Toad
5) Lizard

Chinatown Kid
04-16-2007, 12:35 AM
Yeah the Centipede was damn fast, but the Toad seemed pretty much invincible and couldn't be defeated till the Scorpion found his weak spot. That's why I put him #1.

CLFNole
04-16-2007, 01:26 AM
Not sure why everyone puts the scorpion so high, afterall he as zero hand ability. Yeah he could kick well but he needed to use hidden weapons to compensate for lack of kuen faht. He also goes down pretty quick to the lizard in the end.

Chinatown Kid
04-16-2007, 02:20 AM
Well you know why I rank him high Nole. ;)

Didn't the Snake sneak up behind the Scorpion and stick his fingers in his guts? Seems like the lizard and the Hybrid Venom Chaing Sheng double teamed up on the Scorpion after that and finished him off. Anyways, your right Sun Chien's hand skills were practically non-existant and his character went down just like the Centipede in the finale, but damn that Scorpion sure was sneaky!

CLFNole
04-16-2007, 01:10 PM
Chinatown Kid: Yes I do know why you like him. ;)

While I like Sun Chien he had limited utility since he lacks both fist skills and weapons skills. But he could definately kick well. My fav role of his in Crippled Avengers and Invincible Shaolin.

I have never liked Wei Pei in any of the venoms movies.

killer meteor
04-16-2007, 01:26 PM
1. Toad.
2. Scorpion
3. Lizard
4. Centipede
5. Snake

pressureworld
04-16-2007, 05:07 PM
1. Centipede
2. Snake
3. Lizard
4. Toad
5. Scorpion

Cesare
08-03-2007, 07:11 PM
I am new to the genre and I know *very little* about martial arts. To me it's mainly about the characters themselves.
OK - here we go:
1 - Snake. Forgive me, folks, but I actually do like Wei Pai. Especially in 5 Deadly Venoms. The character was interesting and IMHO well acted out. The fighting style was - how would I put it - stylish...;-) And although Wei Pai may not fool more experienced viewers, he seemed deadly enough to me in this particular role - not to mention I liked Snake's flashy image...;-) Classy villain, my cup of tea...;-)
2 - Toad. The style itself may not be that interesting, but Lo Meng made it look awesome. Lo Meng in general is one of my fave Venoms - and moreover, Toad was a very likeable guy. Someone you'd like to share a drink and a story with...:-)
3-4 - Scorpion. Simply because he more or less outwitted them all. And those kicks were really impressive.
3-4 - Lizard. I was not that much into this wall-climbing stuff, but Lizard on my list ranks the same as Scorpion. Lizard may be your more or less standard good guy, not the most interesting character in the whole bunch - but Kuo Chui is quite a charismatic actor and he made the Lizard probably the easiest character to identify with...
5 - Centipede. I almost feel bad for ranking Centipede so low... Because I really think Lu Feng was brilliant... It's just that I cared for this particular character the least...
Damn, that was lengthy.
An old thread, I know - but I couldn't resist...:-)

Chen Zhen
08-05-2007, 02:18 AM
1 - Snake
2 - Lizard
3 - Toad
4 - Centipede
5 - Scorpion

stormybman
08-05-2007, 04:04 AM
This is how I break it down. Like a fighter preparing for a match you need to assess the opponent's strengths and weaknesses, and how effective/dangerous they are as far as the threat for your ability to have any success against them...

1. Toad
2.Centipede
3.Snake
4.Lizard
5.Scorpion

The rankings I selected have a great deal to do with effectiveness when fighting...

It's hard to compete with the Toad with his inpenetrable
skin and the strength he has.

The unmatchable speed of Centipede ranks him a close second, however, the way to defeat speed is to " close the gap " , and utilize strength /power. Fatigue will wear on speed.

The Snake's effectiveness in close proximity allocates danger for any foe...

The Lizard's agility will go a long way to preserve one's safety in battle, with evasiveness...

With little or no other usage besides trickery, the Scorpion is limited and if the leg(s) is/are wounded, he is severely hampered, and at the greatest disadvantage. It would be advisable for the Scorpion to take a second skill to compensate for the limits of kicking. Possibly Snake to be effective with hand and foot. 8)

"Will you tell me what Teacher died of?..."

sikmao
08-05-2007, 04:15 AM
here's my list:
1. Kuo Chui - the Lizard
2. Lu Feng - Centipede
3. Lo Meng - Toad
4. Sun Chien - Scorpion
5. Wei Pai - Snake
my reasoning is that Kuo, Lu & Chiang do most of the choreography, for their fight scenes. Kuo is also the "senior", when it comes to skill level, i believe. then it's Lu, Chiang & Lo, from what i've heard.
Kuo just has the action so TIGHT, it's incredible!! plus, he's a pretty good actor, imho. whereas, Lu has some great moves, but i don't think he's as good an actor. same with Chiang Sheng & Lo Meng, (actually, i like both their acting abilities!). Sun Chien is only 'okay' in my book! while i REALLY don't like Wei Pai!!! i think he's the worst of the bunch, on ALL LEVELS!!! he can't act & he can't fight, imo, @ least not like any of those other cats!!
on second thought, i'd put Lo up there with Lu. Lo's got skill & acting ability!
well, there you have it.

Soda drink
08-05-2007, 01:44 PM
1. Toad
2. Centipede
3. Scorpion
4. Gecko/Lizard
5. Snake

Toad -- Seriously nobody would have been able to take him down one-on-one or even against two.

I mean his only weakness was his ears, so all Toad had to worry about was guarding his ears while his opponents had to worry about their entire body, lol. A major psychological advantage...

Centipede -- His style is the most dangerous in my opinion. Those centipede burst attacks would drop an elephant.

Scorpion -- One kick from him sent Centipede out the door and out for a good while. And he literally left his footprint in Snake's forehead.

Luckily, Chiang Sheng's character trained under the Toad style or else his head would have been a crushed melon when Scorpion hit him with that flying sidekick.

Lizard -- I guess it was best for an evasive and a defensive fight but Lizard did not have the one hitter-quitter like the other venoms.

Snake -- His style is tricky but way too stylized to be effective against the others. I am convinced that if Snake and Scorpion went one-on-one, Scorpion would win 8 out of 10 times. It seemed like he always needed backup and was Centipede's bitch. lol.

Eastern Evil
06-26-2014, 03:35 PM
I hope there are some Venoms here that will like this.

Here are my rankings for favorite Venoms styles for this movie.

(Hope the lyrics help. )


Favorite

#3. Scorpion


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Kick the tail of death, you're the Scorpion.

Speak your tale of death, oh great Scorpion.
With your venom strong, you're outnumbered four to one.

Within this disguise, they don't even know my name
and which side I'm on, they're confused just the same.
Friendly or enemy, a fierce killer I am trained
crippled by a secret, and a chance of wealth and fame.
I work alone. Once an evil deed is done, then it never ends.
It goes on, and it goes on forever.

Thunder. Lightning strikes to the ground like the Scorpion.
Sting and strike, hiding in the night, he's the Scorpion.
Death Venom, inject it, you'll die by the Scorpion.
Sting and strike, hiding in the night, he's the Scorpion.
Your Poison!
Kick the tail of death, you're the Scorpion.
Fight when you can't hide like a scorpion.

Eastern Evil
06-26-2014, 03:38 PM
2nd Favorite


#4 - The Lizard


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Master, teach me skills of war and trickery.
Your philosophy, my life is a part of it.
Disciplined disciple of your wizardry,
it's your will for me, my life is a part of it.

Master teach me skills of war and trickery,
I will dedicate my soul, my life is a part of it.
If you feel my soul is real and I will be victorious, but all for the good of man,
take me in, my life is a part of it.

Prepare me with techniques and great bravery,
wipe away my fears, my life is a part of it.
Grant me powers inhuman, incredible.
I promise to you, my life is a part of it.

Master teach me skills of war and trickery,
I will dedicate my soul, my life is a part of it.
If you feel my soul is real and I will be victorious, but all for the good of man,
take me in, my life is a part of it.

Scaling up the walls,
caution on the air,
focus on the kill,
minimize the ground.

Lizard do not fall,
keep this battle fair,
utilize your skill,
whip your tail around.

Skills do not matter, your loyalties prevail.
Nothing can break.
Outside your scales, your destiny is death.
Lizard, breath, fight!

Thank you, we thank you.
You've held your head so high.
Remember Li Ho!

Scaling up the walls,
caution on the air,
focus on the kill,
minimize the ground.

Lizard do not fall,
keep this battle fair,
utilize your skill,
whip your tail around.

Use your venom well!

Eastern Evil
06-26-2014, 03:43 PM
3rd Favorite

#2 - The Snake



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Wait for the signal to charge with a venomous bite.
Release your powerful death, (death) is not an excuse to stop.

You stood your ground so well, but with one bite you fell.

Suffering can wait (I'm on to you).
Embrace the great snake.

Faith, hope, love is lost. Soul dissolves with lust.
Wait for the signal to charge with a venomous bite.
Release your powerful death!
You must stand your ground. You must not break down.

Think what could be gone with such strong venom.

You stood your ground so well, but with one bite you fell.

Fast ground attack. You won't be coming back.
Your battle's over... enjoy the poison.

I'm on to you... (you must stand your ground)
I'm right behind you... (you must not break down)

Eastern Evil
06-26-2014, 03:45 PM
4th Favorite


#5 - The Toad


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The life-cycle ends here,
innocent without fear.
A trust that was just broke,
the toad will soon croak.

Everything is growing dark, justice has turned its head.
Behind the masked face you were... my friend.

I stand my ground, these hands are clean.
The burden of betrayal crawls on his belly.
FIGHT!

Fear not steel, nor point, nor blade
over my skin which would not break.
But, I felt the embrace of 1000 legs
and the stinging kiss of the snake.

My life cycle ends here.

A new venom will appear.

Eastern Evil
06-26-2014, 03:48 PM
5th Favorite



#1 - The Centipede



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Feel this touch and you will scream
as your organs inside start to bleed
and as you fall you will hear my laugh
cause my handprint brands an epitaph.

With a strike so fast that you are dead
they say it feels just like a hundred legs
so line them up, I'll give them what they've earned
if they refuse what I've come to learn.
"You've got it".

The ground hits your back with a centipede attack
one hundred scars you'll show after centipede lets go.

Money from the poison clan, I will claim it with another hand
since my greed is shared with number two,
confrontation speaks the words "I'm on to you".
(you) can help, let's make this smooth
use your sword and skills to prove, "I'm right behind you".
I'm number one, I'm your boss, get the money and let's run.
"You've got it".

Your life won't come back after centipede attack.
The floor collects your bones after centipede lets go.

Look at the centipede as he crawls around on the ground,
moving in darkness, his legs find prey without a sound.
Look at the centipede. Look at the centipede as he moves without a sound.
Look at the centipede as he moves around underground
moving in darkness his legs find prey without a sound.

With one hundred legs you will lose this fight
and my slithering friend bites.
Guilty, but let go. We must find someone to take the blame.
So, let's blame the toad for MURDER!

The ground hits your back with a centipede attack.
A fatal wound you will shot when the centipede lets go.

Feel this touch and you will scream
as your organs inside start to bleed
and as you fall you will hear my laugh
cause my handprint brands an epitaph.
Murder charge I won't confess
and a bribe takes the pressure off my chest.
I'm number one, scholastic enemy.
Taste the venom of the centipede.
You've got it.

RogueWarrior
06-26-2014, 11:03 PM
great music!! Thanks for sharing!!!

teako170
06-27-2014, 01:09 AM
great music!! Thanks for sharing!!!

Had never heard of these guys, so I googled them. Found their website:
http://www.shaolindeathsquad.com/

Not sure I understand why they call themselves "shaolin" and then have a pic with the Rising Sun Flag? Anyway, thanks for bringing them to our attention. Will delve deeper into their music. Maybe someone on FB can invite them to the board.

Eastern Evil
06-27-2014, 01:24 AM
Had never heard of these guys, so I googled them. Found their website:
http://www.shaolindeathsquad.com/

Not sure I understand why they call themselves "shaolin" and then have a pic with the Rising Sun Flag? Anyway, thanks for bringing them to our attention. Will delve deeper into their music. Maybe someone on FB can invite them to the board.

I can't speak for the flag, but I can say that there isn't a note or a stitch of music on that album that isn't spectacular.

Just my opinion, but anyone that loves The Venoms & music of this style should give it a shot.

Eastern Evil
06-27-2014, 01:25 AM
great music!! Thanks for sharing!!!

You know I have to get it out there :biggrin:

NoKUNGFUforYU
06-27-2014, 05:42 AM
I have probably said this before, but the Venoms stardom correlated with me losing interest in Hong Kong movies. Too swishy, flippy and skippy, as well as the sill outfits with tons of cleavage. And I hated 5 venoms. But it's funny, how much people love that movie. When they started walking on walls, I was done. Oh well. That probably puts me at odds with 98% of the people on the forum. Sorry.

Cold Bishop
06-27-2014, 06:00 AM
Well, I'd argue it's the very acrobatic flamboyance which separated the Venoms from what anyone else was doing. It's a fusion of shapes, opera and wuxia aesthetics, which I feel people sell short when they describe it as Chang Cheh "dumbed down" period. If the main attraction of martial-arts cinema (and action cinema in general) is watching human bodies doing daring and improbable things, I really don't see how someone could totally hate the Venoms. You might not like them all, but there's certainly has to be a few films there that would win you over.

Despite providing their namesake, I always though Five Venoms was somewhat toned-down in regards to Venom Mob action: few fights, less acrobatics, more special effects.

Anyways, the best Venoms were Lizard and Hybrid, because... you know... they won.

NoKUNGFUforYU
06-27-2014, 06:54 AM
I liked Invincible Shaolin, and Super Ninjas, but I never "got" Kuo Chui's appeal. I wasn't a big fan of Gordon Lau either, though. Venoms were pretty good as villains in the background. Oh, sorry, I remembered! I really like/liked Crippled Avengers. It had Chen Kuan Tai in it, so that helped.

Now I used to go to the Great Star at least twice a month for 3 or 4 years in the 70's, so I was a big Shaw fan.Just liked Fu Sheng, Ti Lung and Chen Kuan Tai more than most of the others.

Cold Bishop
06-27-2014, 07:15 AM
Oh man, Philip Kwok is great! It's a shame the man got chained to Chang Cheh, because I honestly think if he had a chance to branch out with other directors sooner, he could have been a genuine star. People get caught up in his physicality and acrobatic skill they overlook how incredibly versatile he was regardless of the type of character he was playing. The scene in Five Venoms when he discovers Lo Meng's death is a great piece of ACTING, just fantastically understated when many actors would have gone for histrionics.

If you want a second opinion, just look at some of his post-Shaw character actor roles. Everyone talks about Mad Dog, but the movie that actually made me stand up and realize he was actually a great actor was his momma's boy in The Big Heat. Just instantly likeable low-key screen charisma.

GOLDEN DRAGON YIN-YANG
06-27-2014, 04:51 PM
The question arises: "Do these kung fu styles exist in the real world?"

Kung Fu Magazine and Black Belt Magazine declare there are 300 to 400 known styles of Chinese kung fu.

So these styles from the 5 Deadly Venom's may well have existed or existed in the past.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YuWqF4goYak/UTC0KppmSoI/AAAAAAAAAME/mWOZMU1d_3Y/s1600/five-deadly-venoms-big.jpg

Gd Y-Y

KyFi
06-27-2014, 05:56 PM
I sort of have mixed feelings about the Venoms movies. I do feel that in some of his earlier work, like with Vengeance, Blood Brothers, Boxer from Shantung, The Duel and others, Chang Cheh was really doing some quality, groundbreaking filmmaking that was fairly unique, and influential worldwide.

As the decade wore on, though, his budgets got smaller, and I think his ambition got smaller as well. It seems like with the Venoms, he just wanted to make simple, exciting, colorful Chinese comic book movies, and that's what he did. I really enjoy the Venom movies on that level, although I do think they're a step down from his work of the late 60's and early 70's.

Superfly
06-27-2014, 06:13 PM
Never ranked nine and I just watched the Blu-Ray a couple of days ago.

1. Centipede
2. Snake
3. Gecko
4. Toad
5. Scorpion

Superfly
06-27-2014, 06:15 PM
I sort of have mixed feelings about the Venoms movies. I do feel that in some of his earlier work, like with Vengeance, Blood Brothers, Boxer from Shantung, The Duel and others, Chang Cheh was really doing some quality, groundbreaking filmmaking that was fairly unique, and influential worldwide.

As the decade wore on, though, his budgets got smaller, and I think his ambition got smaller as well. It seems like with the Venoms, he just wanted to make simple, exciting, colorful Chinese comic book movies, and that's what he did. I really enjoy the Venom movies on that level, although I do think they're a step down from his work of the late 60's and early 70's.

I am a HUGE Venoms fan but I do see your point. His earlier work seemed more EPIC. Academy Award stuff while Venoms era was more like Summer Action films. More attention to visual presentation than substance.

KyFi
06-27-2014, 06:23 PM
His earlier work seemed more EPIC. Academy Award stuff while Venoms era was more like Summer Action films.

Yep, that's a good way to describe it. And sometimes I DO just want to watch a summer action movie. :bigsmile:

Eastern Evil
06-27-2014, 07:03 PM
I love the lizard and I would put him up against anyone.


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teako170
06-28-2014, 01:16 AM
The question arises: "Do these kung fu styles exist in the real world?"

Apparently not...

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Well, I'd argue it's the very acrobatic flamboyance which separated the Venoms from what anyone else was doing. It's a fusion of shapes, opera and wuxia aesthetics, which I feel people sell short when they describe it as Chang Cheh "dumbed down" period.

Well said.

I am a HUGE Venoms fan but I do see your point. His earlier work seemed more EPIC. Academy Award stuff while Venoms era was more like Summer Action films. More attention to visual presentation than substance.

That sums it for me as well. They both have the strong suits. Just depends on what you're in the mood for.

NoKUNGFUforYU
06-28-2014, 05:53 AM
As far as styles go, I wouldn't exactly think of Shaw brothers flicks as generally accurate descriptions of any styles but Hung Gar, Wing Chun and Choy Lay Fut. After all, all the so called Wu Tang guys seem like they are doing the opposing half of a two man hung gar set in most Shaw brother movies. Wu Tang is supposed to be Ba Ji, Tai Chi, Hsing Yi and Pa Kua, but how many of those styles did you see represented in the movies? For example Pai Mei/ Lo Lieh pretty much just gets out of the way, very stiffly, by the way. He never does the actual style, which would seem to be pretty popular and easy to imitate.

GOLDEN DRAGON YIN-YANG
06-28-2014, 03:29 PM
Apparently not...

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Well said.



That sums it for me as well. They both have the strong suits. Just depends on what you're in the mood for.

Although I thought of this after my post yesterday.

Snake Style for sure is a kung fu form from Shaolin.

From Wiki:
There are several Chinese martial arts known as Snake Boxing or Fanged Snake Style (Chinese: 蛇拳; pinyin: shéquán; literally: "snake fist") which imitate the movements of snakes. It is a style of Shaolin Boxing. Proponents claim that adopting the fluidity of snakes allows them to entwine with their opponents in defense and strike them from angles they wouldn't expect in offense. Snake style is said to especially lend itself to applications with the Chinese straight sword. The snake is also one of the animals imitated in Yang family Taijiquan (T'ai chi ch'uan), Baguazhang and Xingyiquan. The sinuous, fluid motion of the snake lends itself to the practical theory that underlies the "soft" martial arts.[1]

I forgot this pic:

http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m7v781t1yf2u3vlW_GDRFZw.jpg

http://www.shaolinchamber36.com/images/Top5-SnakeStyleKungFuMovies-Post.jpg

http://ricmeyers.com/wp-content/ric-meyers-uploads/2012/05/DatMoSnake.jpg

http://http://www.shaolinchamber36.com/images/Top5-SnakeStyleKungFuMovies-Post.jpg

http://www.shaolinxiu.com/m/photos/snake.jpg

http://www.mansuriakungfu.in/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sonu.jpg

GD Y-Y

GOLDEN DRAGON YIN-YANG
06-28-2014, 03:32 PM
http://www.shaolinchamber36.com/wp-content/gallery/Top5/Top5-SnakeStyleKungFuMovies.png

Honorable mentions.


Challenge of Death (1978)
Magnificent Butcher (1979)
Hitman in the Hand of Buddah (1981)
Monkey Fist, Floating Snake (1979)
Bruce Li in New Guinea (1978)

From this website:

Shaolin Chamber 36.

http://www.shaolinchamber36.com/buddhist-blog/top-5-snake-style-kung-fu-movies/

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GOLDEN DRAGON YIN-YANG
06-28-2014, 04:43 PM
As far as styles go, I wouldn't exactly think of Shaw brothers flicks as generally accurate descriptions of any styles but Hung Gar, Wing Chun and Choy Lay Fut. After all, all the so called Wu Tang guys seem like they are doing the opposing half of a two man hung gar set in most Shaw brother movies. Wu Tang is supposed to be Ba Ji, Tai Chi, Hsing Yi and Pa Kua, but how many of those styles did you see represented in the movies? For example Pai Mei/ Lo Lieh pretty much just gets out of the way, very stiffly, by the way. He never does the actual style, which would seem to be pretty popular and easy to imitate.

Very few if any at Shaw Brothers.

How about Hong Kong cinema and Taiwanese Cinema.

Taiwan would probably have more internal styles displayed in their movies.

GD Y-Y