Venoms Documentary Online!

[VenomsFan]

Thanks to great sites like youtube. You can view Part 1 from the main link on the Fansite. Link below.

I send Mike Leeder a copy for review in his magazine a couple of years ago and have heard nothing.

Enjoy!

[Liu chung liang]

Great work my friend. I just hope this doesn't get moved to the Shaw Brothers Film section lol.

Umm is that your voice doing the narrating? I'm just wondering.

When ever I post a scene, I try to put a lot of information on the description. Because fans like us, know more of the history behind it and such. Besides, I kinda feel like it's important to explain who the actor or actress is playing, if they are portraying a real person etc.

[Big Mike Leeder]

I'm sorry about that, I'm pretty sure I'd e-mailed you back about it...my mistake sir, please drop me a pm with your e-mail..am i now gonna get flamed about this .."Impact Editor in didn't answer an e-mail shocker??"

My apologies I know when you sent it over, i was really busy with stuff and said I'd get back to you, was pretty sure I had..my mistake by the sounds of it

I liked the idea, i didn't know if that was the final cut or still a rough cut..

Shall have to dig out my notes on it, i thought as "unofficial" docu's go, it was good, just thought it didn't cover as much ground as I hoped,

[peringaten]

Favourited. Looks great so far to me - any plans to put the rest up?

[HAZ74]

I get a message that says "Video removed by user" ???

[Tosh]

Totally Awesome!!! I'd love to see the rest of it!:eek

[VenomsFan]

Umm is that your voice doing the narrating? I'm just wondering.

Yes that's me.

I liked the idea, i didn't know if that was the final cut or still a rough cut..

Yeah it was the the final cut.

Shall have to dig out my notes on it, i thought as "unofficial" docu's go, it was good, just thought it didn't cover as much ground as I hoped,

That's cool Mike. Do you think it can still get a review? I'll pm you then.

Favourited. Looks great so far to me - any plans to put the rest up?

Yes the entire documentary will eventually be up!

I get a message that says "Video removed by user" ???

Yeah just refresh the Fansite main page. I decided to put up a higher quality clip! Enjoy!

[Tosh]

Hey Venom, I think it's great you spent the time to put this together, I've been a big Venoms fan since I was a kid, to bad they don't get the respect they deserve, if only I could do a remake of the 5 venoms movie.

[tigerstyles]

thanks for the virus popup..

[VenomsFan]

yeah just go to the geocities instead. cjb.net has tons of annoying poppups - www.geocities.com/daband2000 (http://www.geocities.com/daband2000)

Part 2 is now online. Reviews the films Five Venoms, Invincible Shaolin and Crippled Avengers.

[peringaten]

Hey thanks VenomsFan, part 2 is excellent as well - really digging the way you've put the audio over the visual highlights - adds a real resonance.
Looking forward to the next part, for sure!

I've never heard Chen Kuan Tai called that before, btw... interesting...

[Tosh]

Looking forward to the next part, for sure!

Yes, me to! Maybe with the remake (which I still hope doesn't happen), they'll track all these guys down, they better at least let Kuo Choi Choreo it and give the other suviving members cameos>:

[falkor]

It's good that a fellow enthusiast has made the effort to produce a documentary about the Venoms. Looking at parts 1 and 2 so far, it seems like Venomsfan has done a decent job, and in part 3 or 4, I only hope he remembered to mention Lu Feng winning an award for his performance in Shaolin Rescuers.

The documentary is definitely lacking coverage, but then finding information about the Venoms is scarce. I got some nice photos of Kui Chui and his dog that could have been included, but overall there's some nice shots, including a few photos I'd never see before. I think the best part of the documentary is the way Venomsfan describes each film with an edited commentary from the film, selected from different quotes. It's as though he's put together a collection of perfect trailers that really hit the nail on the head about the story/atmosphere of these films.

[Trixie]

Great Job VF, that brought back some very nice memories on the fansite. I hope people appreciate your contribution to the memory of one of greatest action groups of the genre.
Trix
PS: Glad I got my copy in the vault!

[VenomsFan]

Appreciate the feedback! Part 3 is now online.

[falkor]

Good stuff, Venomsfan! I think I could give Kid With The Golden Arm another chance after your excellent preview! :D I know you haven't got to Magnificent Ruffians yet, but it would be nice to really really stress in your commentary that Lu Feng was proving himself on-screen to be an expert with weapons--in particular the Kwan Do (or variations*). Although Lu Feng is good at playing confident villains among other qualities, it's his weaponswork that ultimately separates him from the rest of the Venoms (as my 2nd favourite actor of all-time to Hwang Jang Lee), and it's this skill that won him the award, as you perfectly showcase in the Shaolin Rescuers preview.

http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/forum/images/LuFengAward.jpg

*Somebody once suggested the actual weapon used by Lu Feng is sort of like a more basic variation of the Kwan Do, but I've forgotten what he called it.

[Tosh]

I liked Wei Pai in KWTGA, were people really that discontent with him back in the day? I've always still considered him a Venom. Can't wait to see the 4th one.

[Trixie]

Wow, I'm always surprised and extremely happy to see any new stuff on Lu Feng. Falkor I agree with you, his skills with weapons is just awesome. Of course my fav is the final scene in Shaolin Rescuers, although many seem to like the scene from Magnificant Ruffians better. I also like how Chiang Sheng handles weapons too, both top notch. Chiang seems to be a bit more versatile, he usually changes weapons two or three times without a problem in most of the movies.
Trixie

[teako170]

I've always still considered him a Venom. Nonsense! (One of my fav parts of this doc.) Plus the "Woo-Hoo" montage sequence.

[VenomsFan]

Hey falkor thanks a tons for posting that article scan. Man Lu Feng didn't even smile with the award in hand. Don't worry, there's more Lu Feng info in the doc to come!

[TheManInWhite]

Great job, VF! I've checked out all three parts, and I have to say you did Venoms fans all over very proud. The clips you chose make the films so enticing also. Looking forward to part 4 and beyond...

[falkor]

Hey falkor thanks a tons for posting that article scan.
No worries... I think I got that from Teako170 some years back, so thanks to him for that one. Not sure which magazine it was scanned from... BTW, I remember Teako170 was working on a Venoms book, but had problems with image rights; any chance we will still see this book published one day--with or without images?

[Liu chung liang]

I alwayz thought Lu Feng was very good with the spear.

[Iron Boat]

I actually think some of the best fighting and one of the best characters Lu Feng ever played was his tattooed villian in Shanghai 13. Thats a character that should of had a few more films.

[Trixie]

Lu Feng did an excellent job in that movie. Unfortunately when once again they tried to assemble an "all-star" cast movie nobody actually gets to show their best work. Too many to put a focus on any one actor, although the movie was not the worst I've ever seen. I prefer the "long hair" period pieces more.
Trix

[VenomsFan]

Haven't seen Shanghai 13 but would love to. Is there a widescreen print now available anywhere?

Ok part 4 is online! Go there now to view it! (http://www.geocities.com/daband2000/)

Thanks for posting!

[sevenhooks]

Good work, man.
I'm enjoying all of them!
Keep it up!!

[teako170]

Haven't seen Shanghai 13 but would love to. Is there a widescreen print now available anywhere? VFan. PM me your addy and I'll send you a copy. Only FS available.

[teako170]

any chance we will still see this book published one day--with or without images? Anything is possible falkor but definitely not in the foreseeable future. Thx.

[falkor]

After watching this documentary, I can't understand how any English person can say they mostly prefer subtitles over dubbing. Not that I want to resurrect that old arguement again! ;)

[sandpalm79]

Venomsfan, i am so so so impressed. Where did you get the information for this? I have been a fan forever and I cannot wait till the part with masked avengers. When is part 5 goin up!? Also i am interested in buying this as well.

[Ching li]

good work venomsfan, really enjoying the documentary on my favorite dream team. when will part 5 be up, i am looking forward to it can't wait.

[VenomsFan]

OK guys! Part 5 is now online. I've researched info on the Venoms mostly from old articles and the web. Discussing with close people to the Venoms and some great collectors along the way. It was a long time coming. I'm glad you guys are enjoying it so far.

[falkor]

Good job finding patterns with all those comedic moments! I like your additional slow motion effects at the end...

[Tosh]

How many parts are to this Venomsfan? Or is it an on going thing? all your work is paying off cause I'm really digging it! Hopefully with the remake, someone over in HK will take notice.

[VenomsFan]

Thanks guys for the feedback. falkor, not many people noticed that effect I put in the Flag of Iron. Good eye!

The documentary runs about 71 minutes, with the bonus feaures over 10minutes or so. I would say we are a little under halfway with this online video presentation. More to come!

[VenomsFan]

Alright, Part 6 is up for viewing. Enjoy!

[Ching li]

once again venomsfan you've outdone yourself. great work!

[falkor]

excellent slow motion effects on Killer Army, silent. I reckon I could show this to a non-KF fan and get them interested in kung...

[sikmao]

Great Job, Venomsfan!!! it's rather dope, how you link together the fight choreography & their acting time together!!! Brilliant!
i do have one criticism, tho', it looked like a small "3 sectioned staff", from "rebel intruders". as opposed to a set of 3-piece nunchuks. which is basically the same thing, only "nunchuku" is a Japanese term. "3 section staff" is a "Tradional Chinese Weapon". (one of the 18 legendary...);)
i eagerly await the next installment!! you do have more coming, right? how many more, do you think?
thanks for all the time & effort! VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!!!
- sikmao.

[Man from WAZ]

I really enjoyed them. When is the next part coming?

[VenomsFan]

Ahh thanks there for the correction. A little more reasearch showed you are exatcly right! Check out this link I found here (http://flyingeagleacademy.com/samjitgwun.html). Nice list of moves you can do with this weapon. Looking at his use of the 3 sectioned staff a little closer, Philip Kwok was truly a master of that weapon!

Thanks for the feedback. Another installment this weekend I hope.

[VenomsFan]

Latest part of the Documentary is now up. Go there now (http://www.geocities.com/daband2000/)!

It's online and working now. Enjoy!

[Ching li]

the message said something like this is a private video and have to accept sender's request or something like that. I don't know maybe i will try again later.

[Ching li]

ok, i finally got it to work, once again good job venomsfan. Man, image if chiang sheng and lu feng went back to hong kong like kuo chui did, they could have blown up!

[whitelotus]

Great work, cant wait to see all of the parts once its done!

WL

[VenomsFan]

ching li, that is a good point. I found out that Chiang Sheng did have a family in Taiwan, which may explain his decision to stay. I am not sure about Lu Feng. But we do know they were childhood friends since their early years at the Chinese Opera.

There is no doubt though that making that move with Kwok would have been a wise one. I am not sure however that they were aware of the fandom overseas in UK and USA. Actually there is evidence supporting that they didn't know international impact of their films. This is sad.

The next couple parts of the Documentary will cover that..

Can anyone else shed light on the Venoms break up in 1983?

[VenomsFan]

Alright the next part is now online. Check it out now! (http://geocities.com/daband2000/htms/venomsdoc-online.html)

[Tosh]

Geat as always, but it was severly pixulated, I thought at first it was the old films but the whole thing was like that. Shame about Chiang Sheng, he died way to young, if he only knew how many fans he had around the world. We need new interviews with all the remaining members.

[sandpalm79]

Venomsfan, Unbelievable. I want to buy this on dvd so please please let me know how! also my ONLY critique of the documentury is whenever you state that chiang sheng passed away and it goes into the montage/ sad recollection part. It would have made more sense to show his best work and clips from say crippled avengers rather than the obscure shots of him with those weird ears(from the korean tv show) I understand chronologically you were trying to use footage from each period the documentury was covering right? But this is just my 2 cents.. Other than that I learned more from your documentary than any other information provided of the venoms!!! I am so grateful!

[VenomsFan]

tosh - I agree the pixelation is tough on this one, something happened with the upload. Hope this doesn't ruin the experience for you at all? If so, I can work on reuploading it.

sandpalm79 - Thanks for the input! The reason I use the clips from Chiang's last appearance is because of the rareity of the footage and it was months before his passing. So I want to show as much of that rare footage as I can. Do not worry. I have made a Chiang Sheng tribute which highlights exactly what you had in mind. And that will be posted soon as well.

[BKarza]

Saw all of the parts so far. Seems to be based on a lot of the things that went around that we've heard over the years. You can use some of the info from the dvds to tighten up your facts.

Sun Chien is Taiwanese not Korean. That was something that floated around from someone some time ago.(see a Celestial Venom dvd)

Lu Feng's weapon from Magnificent Ruffians and Avenging Warriors from Shaolin is a long handled broadsword. The only time that he ever used a kwan do on screen was in Sword Stained with Royal Blood.
www.wushudirect.co.uk/aca..._Head.html (http://www.wushudirect.co.uk/acatalog/Traditional_Dragons_Head.html)

Lu Feng and Chiang Sheng were not opera classmates. Kuo Chui did an interview with Eastern Heroes magazine in 1995. He stated that he, Lu Feng and Cheng Tien Chi all went to the same school.(Lu Kwan) KC learned Taiwanese opera and LF and CTC learned Peking opera. Same school but didn't train together. Chiang Sheng, Angela Mao, "Brasshead" and Robert Tai went to the same school. Chu Ko/Ke/Ker went to another different from those 2. Li Yi Min, Jack Long and others fall in there somewhere.

After Ninja in the Deadly Trap, KC said he missed HK and Shaw, so he left CS and LF and headed back. He was AD for Holy Flame of the Martial world and bit played in a few Shaw movies. After the movie biz died, he worked at TVB(Shaw tv) as a choreographer.

Chang Cheh always worked with a team for a few years then brought in another. Tien Chi, Chiu Kwok and Chu Ko were his last team. After Weird Man in '82/'83, he went to Taiwan with his peeps minus Chu Ko, Wang Li, Chui Kwok and the Shaw bit player regulars. He hooked back up with Chiang Sheng and Lu Feng. Attack of the Joyful Goddess, Shanghai 13, Nine Demons and Death Ring came out of that. Chiang Sheng also did 5 Fighters from Shaolin during that time.

Kung Fu Vampire Buster was the last movie LF and CS did together. Tien Chi also making an appearance. That was done around 1990. Fight Among the Supers was around '84/'85ish.

Recently Lu Feng has choreographed some fights from a Wu Jing tv show from a few years back.

[VenomsFan]

hey Tosh - I uploaded higher quality video of Part 8 without the pixelation. Thx for the heads up on that.

BKarza - nice info! The documentary was made 2 years ago. I remember posting on this forum for feedback on my information. Could've used your feedback back then! :hat

Sad to say, there are several but not many from other magazines and websites to source information. This doc came out before the Celestial DVDs (notice the prints used in this film). And from we've all been reading, not all of their info is accurate to begin with. So it depends on where people get their sources. And how consistent the info is.

Check out the end credits - coming soon - for my references used when putting THIS documentary together. These people and sources helped with a great deal of info during production.

[VonHumboldtFleischer]

Great idea, putting the documentary online for everyone to watch. To me, using pre-Celestial copies of the movies for clips makes it seem somehow more 'authentic', so it's probably a good thing you didn't wait for all the re-masters. The 'Women of the Venoms' montage at the end is a nice piece of editing as well, so you should put that online, too.

[VenomsFan]

Alright Part 9 is up. Conclusion with End Credits. I'll take the advice and post the Chiang Sheng tribute and Women of the Venoms music video tribute up as well.

[oldeschool17]

thanks for posting these up