Blood Brothers is Oath Of Death's bitch.

[peringaten]

Man, I love Oath Of Death.

That is all...

[ironfistedmonk2003]

:rollin

Whatever mate! :lol

Stupid characters!

[peringaten]

But they're pretty much the same characters!... Only the ones in Oath Of Death are better. :hat

[ironfistedmonk2003]

Frankie Wei's character is the dumbest character in the history of MA cinema, Chen Kuan Tai's naivety was a billion times better realised than Frankie's. And Ti Lung and DC own the screen big time in Blood Brothers, Oath doesn't even compare.

Blood Brothers smacks Oath of Death upside the head for getting above itself, better characters my arse!

Thats just my opinion tho :D

[tino]

I like Blood Brothers better but I did enjoy Oath of Death. Both are great films. I wish Blood Brothers (and the other first releases) would come out anamorphic. I zoom it on my tv to make it look kinda anamorphic but it hurts the picture quality.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

What a ridiculous comparison. Blood Brothers is a bitch to no film.

[monk sante]

What a ridiculous comparison. Blood Brothers is a bitch to no film.

I agree 110%, Blood Brothers is a true Shaw classic!:hat

[peringaten]

What a ridiculous comparison. Blood Brothers is a bitch to no film. Agreed as well. If you folks can't tell I'm just bored and pissing about... Anyhoo, except to Oath Of Death! :p I didn't see no hands getting punched through bodies in Blood Brothers!!

Oath Of Death for the win!!!!!!!!!!!!

[morgoth]

I need to check out Oath of Death. It sounds even better than Blood Brothers:p

[teako170]

Okay peringaten, this was on my list to watch and I hate to waste an evening but I'll pop her in and see what all the commotion is about. But hey, Blood Brothers is a great flick, so I hope this OOD is not DOA or you just might go MIA. :lol

[peringaten]

But hey, Blood Brothers is a great flick, so I hope this OOD is not DOA or you just might go MIA.Yeah, do it!! Oath is great! One of my favourite early '70s Shaws for sure! Ignoring the likes of my double negatives above, don't listen to IFM, stuff like this...Frankie Wei's character is the dumbest character in the history of MA cinema, Chen Kuan Tai's naivety was a billion times better realised than Frankie's....doesn't even make sense! :p He's just got Frankie issues, if he digs deep enough he'll recognise the genius that is Oath Of Death!! What a finale - chat about solid OTT... Man, Oath is nice.
More fun than Blood Brothers!! :p :hat The production values may not be quite so grandiose, but there's good harsh stabbings and slicings, less people rolling down hills. :p

Oath Of Death!!!!!!!

[Chinatown Kid]

I've seen both and think Blood Brothers is the better film. If you prefer Oath of Death P then that's your perogative though man, go ahead with your bad self! :D

[ironfistedmonk2003]

:lol

Peri man, you know what I mean when I say Frankie Wei was a dumbass, a blind man could have seen that girl was trouble and it wasn't played out anywhere near as well as in Blood Brothers.

I do like Oath of Death its a decent film but Blood Brothers is just too well made in all departments to even be compared to.

[The Dragon]

Peri has convinced another... I'll add OOD to my next order asap.
:D

[ironfistedmonk]

lol this thread was funny, where's Peri gone anyway?

[KUNG FU BOB]

This thread's title is one of the funniest I've seen yet.

I think I might have this. If I do, I'll check it out.

[teako170]

lol this thread was funny, where's Peri gone anyway?

P is still in the house - though a few cats from the old KFF still haven't joined in the fun here.

Gotta get as many of them ol' timers back around here that we can.
Every once in a while we need to toss a lil' Geritol (...or Viagra) out on the KFF porch. ;)

Back to the thread....
I did watch OOD, once. It was OK though I still prefer BB. (Sorry P.)

[GwaiLoMoFo]

P is still in the house - though a few cats from the old KFF still haven't joined in the fun here.
Ha, took me forever to register on the new forum. I think I still have the link to the old KFF in my favorites!

[SamuraiDana]

OATH OF DEATH is an enjoyable throwaway Shaw Bros. adventure like a million other films they've done, which is fine--I have fun with them all--but it's no classic. BLOOD BROTHERS is a classic, for all kinds of reasons that have to do with the quality of script, direction, acting, production design, etc. Just compare the performances of the lead actresses in both films (Ling Ling in OATH OF DEATH vs. Ching Li in BLOOD BROTHERS) to understand the difference between a melodrama and a work of art.

[peringaten]

Oath Of Death's a classic. Ling Ling's waaaayy more rock'n'roll than Ching Li.

You lot are all mental.

Speaking of folk who ain't been seen since the change over, see him above, Tino was a good poster, dude knew his Shaws.

[venoms5]

OATH OF DEATH, while essentially the same story as BLOOD BROTHERS isn't as well made nor the better film but it is definitely more fun and wildly gruesome in the tradition that Chang Cheh was known for despite it being helmed by a different director. The ending is one of the absolute craziest, goriest and simultaneously hilarious finishes I have ever seen. Those that enjoy the more violent side of Shaw Brothers films will most likely enjoy OATH far more than the more professionally made and solid BLOOD BROTHERS, a film I don't really consider a kung fu picture in the first place.

[teako170]

Gotta luv the brothers....

http://www.teako170.com/bbro1.jpg

http://www.teako170.com/bbro2.jpg

http://www.teako170.com/bbro3.jpg
..props to Carol


A side note: These photos come to you in spite of atrocious adversity. As I was uploading them, I reached for my ice cold St. Pauli Girl which decided to do a 360* twist in my hand (no, I'm not a juggler) spraying brew all over my carpet, wall, and the lower shelf of my bookshelf which consists of about 50/60 KF films - plus such books as the HK Filmography, Bruce to the Ninja, Ency of MA Movies, Shaw Screen, and the Photo-Journal Guide to Marvel Comics plus more... (sigh)

[KUNG FU BOB]

A side note: These photos come to you in spite of atrocious adversity. As I was uploading them, I reached for my ice cold St. Pauli Girl which decided to do a 360* twist in my hand (no, I'm not a juggler) spraying brew all over my carpet, wall, and the lower shelf of my bookshelf which consists of about 50/60 KF films - plus such books as the HK Filmography, Bruce to the Ninja, Ency of MA Movies, Shaw Screen, and the Photo-Journal Guide to Marvel Comics plus more... (sigh)
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I felt a strong disturbance in the force... As though one soul cried out with the anguish of a million kung fu collectors, and then was gone. :(

Thanks for the pictures. You can always be counted on for great pics Teako, and I sure appreciate them. ;)

[The Dragon]

I felt a strong disturbance in the force... As though one soul cried out with the anguish of a million kung fu collectors, and then was gone.

NICE. :D

I think The Blood Brothers / Chinese Vengeance, is my favorite Shaw film. Ti Lung's role was perfect for him.
"I am climbing higher, anything in my way shall be ..."
Cool stuff.

[shawbro]

Hi peri, its me tino I changed my name when I joined this site. Have had alot of things happening this year. My brother had neck surgery( 3rd thru 7th vertebrae metal plate put in) and I've took care of him for awhile. I also had some problems of my own. Thanks for calling me a good poster I am not as knowlegable as you and some other members but I likes my shaws. Always enjoyed your reviews and comments you made on dvdcult.

What happened to member Kara Hiu? He/she was something else.

[The Dragon]

Hey Shawbro, sorry to hear of your struggles man... A few of us here have had our trials, and the one thing I've realized is this Forum has a hell of a lot of caring people out here. I wish a strong recovery for your relative, and come here to replenish yourself. :)

Btw, what I want to know is Oath of Death worth an immediate purchase, seriously?

[Bravery]

I would say it's worth an immediate purchase, I like it, but it is not as good as Blood Brothers.

[venom10463]

After reading all y'all post on which is a better film. Oath of Death is on my to buy list asap :D Here is hoping it lives up to its reputation.:p

[ironfistedmonk]

Oath of Death is a good fun movie, don't let my posts earlier in the thread put anyone off getting this, it's just not as well made, well scripted, well acted, well everything as Blood Brothers! BB is Chang Cheh's finest movie IMO, not his best in terms of entertainment IMO but his best made if that makes sense?

[Markgway]

Watched 'Oath of Death' last night and I now I can wade in with my opinion by saying that 'The Blood Brothers' is vastly superior. Better script, better acting, better direction. Oath is very gory - to the point of being so silly it's funny - but I guess some fans may be amused by that.

[peringaten]

Hey Tino, good to see you about, yeah you were always up on your Shaw releases, sorry to hear about your trials of late, hope things work out better in future... who knows what happened to Kara; that poopy hat insult... weird.

On thread; Oath. Come on... the leg thing. Now that was some good tactic!

[oldeschool17]

I have a question down below below. Highlight to reveal(might contain a spoiler)
Why did Lo Lieh drop a bird(i think that was a bird) into a pot of liquid, some sort of fabric into the liquid, and then scar his face to enact revenge?
I only saw a clip of this which is why i'm asking

[venoms5]

Lo Lieh was hellbent on killing Tien Feng's character for things he did earlier in the movie. He does more than what you mentioned, olde. There's even a bit of a precursor to KING BOXER during that scene you're asking about. I'll just say Lo Lieh puts himself through some serious hell to do what he does at the end. The violence and gore level is extremely high in this one. One scene even mixes sex and death with a lot of blood done in slow motion. For sheer exploitation value, it's better than BLOOD BROTHERS but the CC classic is easily the better made film. The ending of OATH OF DEATH is, IMO, worth the dvd alone.

[oldeschool17]

cool man. thanks

[The Dragon]

... The violence and gore level is extremely high in this one. One scene even mixes sex and death with a lot of blood done in slow motion. For sheer exploitation value, it's better than BLOOD BROTHERS but the CC classic is easily the better made film. The ending of OATH OF DEATH is, IMO, worth the dvd alone.

Blood, Gore, Sex, Sheer Exploitation, and Violence... That settles it for me, I'm buying it.
:)

[Markgway]

To Oldschool: Because he's a sick ****er. That was obviously a REAL Bird boiled alive for NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER. Even if it had a story purpose it would be wrong. I LOL'd when Lo burnt off half his face as a disguise. How can anyone take this film seriously or claim it's better then Chang Cheh's classic is beyond me.

[oldeschool17]

Mark- Yeah i guess his Shaw Brothers "Create a Disguise Face" kit didn't come into the post on time. Surface Mail is a beeotch. If that was filmed today, PETA would have a field day if they saw what he did to that ol twitty bird

[venoms5]

Lo Lieh's character was going to great lengths to make sure he got close to his target after several failed attempts during the film. Considering the OTT violence and sadism in the film, not to mention the unbelievably gruesome final moments, which are shot in such a way you can't help but laugh.

However, there are some very well done scenes in the film but not enough to take the film seriously. I would assume somebody ate the bird afterwards. There were no animal rights laws in foreign territories back then as this sort of thing was very commonplace in (especially) Asian and Italian exploitation films. Other European filmmakers such as Paul Naschy (who actually allowed rats to bite him for real in one movie) and even Herzog have employed the use of animal violence for geek show realism. Not saying it's right (I don't like seeing such scenes myself) but it's really not much different than regular people getting all decked out to hunt innocent creatures of the forest either.

It may be painful to watch but then you don't have to watch. If you are not a vegetarian, it's a double standard to levy insults at the people behind the making of movies from a time period that was obviously a much different climate than what we have now in regards to such scenes as the one described above.

I can't see where calling Lo Lieh a "sick fu**er" is going to rectify a situation that occurred in a film over three decades ago. And I'm sure Lo Lieh didn't write the script either. I didn't hear anyone cry out when that chicken was killed in HOUSE OF TRAPS (or any number of other HK films) or even the monkey smashed into the tree in MAD MONKEY KUNG FU (hope that one was fake).

And I never said OATH OF DEATH was better than BB, just that its exploitation value was much higher and that would be more "attractive" to someone seeking that sort of thing because you won't find it in CC's classic.

[Markgway]

Lo Lieh's character was going to great lengths to make sure he got close to his target after several failed attempts during the film.

But the direction is so bad he then wears a hat covering his burnt face so you don't even see the burn until he reveals himself to the villain. Surely the hat worked alone? He burnt his mug for nothing. Lol. Whatever happened to fake beards? :quiet:

I would assume somebody ate the bird afterwards.

Probably - but it was murdered in such a cruel way. Boiled alive. And for the sake of entertainment. That HAS to be wrong.

There were no animal rights laws in foreign territories back then as this sort of thing was very commonplace in (especially) Asian and Italian exploitation films.

Yeah, it's much better now. Animal cruelty is much less common place. It's unecesssary and immoral. I've never in my life seen a film that either needed animal cruelty or was better for its inclusion. There's nothing that can't be faked for a few dollars.

Not saying it's right (I don't like seeing such scenes myself) but it's really not much different than regular people getting all decked out to hunt innocent creatures of the forest either.

Yeah, but trophy hunters are pathetic losers with (sexual) inadequacy issues.

It may be painful to watch but then you don't have to watch.

I didn't know it was going to happen. Should I avoid the entire movie in case?

If you are not a vegetarian

I'm not - and actually I do feel bad about it. But no animal I've ever eaten has A. died specifically for me or B. been killed on camera for entertainment. At least that's something I can feel better about.

I can't see where calling Lo Lieh a "sick fu**er" is going to rectify a situation that occurred in a film over three decades ago. And I'm sure Lo Lieh didn't write the script either.

It makes me angry. I realise he's not alone but I do think it's sick to needlessly kill an animal. Lo didn't write the script but he committed the act. No actor is above condemnation for a wrong.

I didn't hear anyone cry out when that chicken was killed in HOUSE OF TRAPS (or any number of other HK films) or even the monkey smashed into the tree in MAD MONKEY KUNG FU (hope that one was fake).

I don't remember that bit in TRAPS (my memory is fuzzy) and I saw the UK version of MONKEY from which that bit was cut. But I would condemn both just the same.

And I never said OATH OF DEATH was better than BB, just that its exploitation value was much higher and that would be more "attractive" to someone seeking that sort of thing because you won't find it in CC's classic.

Fair enough. I agree with that. Someone in an earlier post said 'BB' was 'Oath's' "bitch" which is patently nonsense. Apart from exploitation value BB owns this movie in every possible way.

[venoms5]

I realize this derails this thread somewhat but the way in which animals are killed for human consumption is not very humane either. When people sit down to enjoy a cheeseburger or indulge in some fried chicken (or even lamb) they don't realize, or probably don't know the manner in which those animals suffered to be presented as the main course for someone's dinner.

At the end of HOT a chicken is sacrificed on a piece of wood lined with hundreds of nails just before a man is thrust upon it as a means of torture in order to see if his story changes in the slightest before the judge Sun Chien can arrest the villain. I assume the death of the chicken is to test the potency of the nails just as Lo Lieh tests the potency of the water to make sure it is deathly hot before disfiguring himself. If I remember right, a guard makes mention of the disfigured man trying to get in to see Tien Feng's character and the water wasn't the only thing he did to himself. The self mutilation was more extensive than that.

[The Dragon]

How about Bravery's avatar, venoms5?:)

[venoms5]

How about Bravery's avatar, venoms5?:)

lol. Bush can't help it.

[oldeschool17]

Finally saw this and honestly I cant rule out which film is superior than the other. Enter spoiler territory ahead:


Each film has its merits and faults. I was never a fan of Blood Brothers like most seem to be. I liked Blood Brothers because the tone and action was alot more serious and believable than Oath of Death. However, I did not like how Ching Li was able to "get away" with her infidelity and David Chiang's ending(im a sucker for good endings i guess). Lo Lieh's character was a lot more cynical than David Chiang's character, which i liked but his out of the blue "training" to over come Tien Feng's whip technique was pretty ridiculous and the burnt tounge/face thing was laughable(despite the fact that I knew he did it to overcome Tien Feng.. it just wasnt believable). Speaking of whip, Tien Feng's whip technique was campy as hell. I liked that Oath of Death was a darker film too. The plus side with Oath of Death was to see Ling Ling's thing things(o)(o). My what a nice pair and glad she got hers near the end. I think i was overall, more entertained with Oath of Death(up until the point where Lo Lieh undergoes his revenge training) but Blood Brothers was a better directed movie.

[Bravery]

How about Bravery's avatar, venoms5?

lol. Bush can't help it.


I hope people are not offended seeing Bush eating a little Pus**y. :quiet:

[thekfc]

I hope people are not offended seeing Bush eating a little Pus**y. :quiet:

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[The Dragon]

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LMAOROTF!!!

[KUNG FU BOB]

OATH OF DEATH, while essentially the same story as BLOOD BROTHERS isn't as well made nor the better film but it is definitely more fun and wildly gruesome in the tradition that Chang Cheh was known for despite it being helmed by a different director. The ending is one of the absolute craziest, goriest and simultaneously hilarious finishes I have ever seen. Those that enjoy the more violent side of Shaw Brothers films will most likely enjoy OATH far more than the more professionally made and solid BLOOD BROTHERS, a film I don't really consider a kung fu picture in the first place.

Okay, I bought this film because of this thread, and I finally watched it yesterday. Before I posted what I thought of it, I decided to re-read the thread. I definitely agree with Venoms5 100%, and doubt I could say it any better.

Oath of Death is a good fun movie, don't let my posts earlier in the thread put anyone off getting this, it's just not as well made, well scripted, well acted, well everything as Blood Brothers! BB is Chang Cheh's finest movie IMO, not his best in terms of entertainment IMO but his best made if that makes sense?

Same with Ironfistedmonk's post.

OOD isn't as classy, nor as accomplished technicaly as BB. But I still enjoyed OOD more. Also, I like to see people that suck pay the price for their BS, and that pushy, lying little harpy needed to pay in OOD and I wasn't disappointed.

I made the missus watch the last two minutes. She didn't appreciate it as much as I did! XD She asked "Is this supposed to be silly, or is it serious?" and after a certain "head strike" she laughed and said "And now they're going to continue fighting I suppose?"

...yes.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

"I liked Blood Brothers because the tone and action was alot more serious and believable than Oath of Death"

Oath Of Death is a fun, campy, Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes/Blood Sucking Freaks kinda flick, while Blood Brothers is more like, The Thing or Alien. One is just over the top silly and can't be taken seriously, the other hits home with a bit more realism. Both are cool flicks, though Blood Brothers is an extremely thought out film and well done.

[venoms5]

OATH OF DEATH isn't without its reputable merits. Few as they are, but merits nonetheless. The sequence between Frankie Wei and Lo Lieh in front of the grave stone is excellent. The somberness and anger on Lo Lieh's face is priceless. Also, Tien Feng really knew how to play a sadistic SOB.