Ti Lung/David Chiang hate?

[SunChien2004]

I mentioned this in the Classic Kung Fu board, but with no answer, what's the story behind the Ti Lung/David Chiang hate? If there is any, that is.

[Liu chung liang]

what? them hating eachother? lol. i got nothing against both guys. if i had to choose whoze movies i like watching better... it be david chiang. i like his 'kung fu' flicks more than his 'swordplay' ones.

[Iron Boat]

"what? them hating eachother? lol. i got nothing against both guys. if i had to choose whoze movies i like watching better... it be david chiang. i like his 'kung fu' flicks more than his 'swordplay' ones."

That's interesting because he is more known for his swordplay films but a few of his Kung Fu films are "imo" some of the better kung fu films of the era, The Loot, The Challenger, Shaolin Mantis, Blooded Treasury Fight,

[Liu chung liang]

yeah but i've seen too many swordplay flicks... that i'm getting tired of it. even if it's ti lung using a sword, i just don't find it amusing anymore.

i think it's weird to see someone like norman chu do kung fu than david chiang. because i can only picture him using a sword lol.

[SunChien2004]

I think I meant their hate towards one another, I saw that in one of the threads in the Classic Kung Fu Film section, so that's why I was curious, if there is none, then I guess disregard it.

[mahsingyi]

Asked for a verdict on the relations between former "blood brothers" Ti Lung and David Chiang, one could not call their recent relationship hate but antipathy and indifference.
But how did two superstars who shaped the history of Hong Kong cinema become that way?

Well, against the initial considerations and the initial professional hindsight of Chang Cheh (Please bear in mind, that David Chiang was (not at least due to family obligations) a favoured protégé of the superstar director) young Tam Fu Yung got his start in the biz. Instead of simply replacing Wang Yu, who was slowly on his way out of SB and had a deep rift with Cheh going on, Cheh had been forced into a dilemma of being overruled by the main studio executive, who really ran the show on behalf of Run Run Shaw, despite being the “million dollar director” and main attraction of the franchise. He had chosen Chiang as his next superstar, but had now to integrate a second utterly handsome, but professionally lacking actor (He would gain respect for the “other guy” in the years to come and would finally and support his “second choice” more than his main protégé).
So, instead of being the brand new male top star, Chiang became only one third of the “iron triangle” that would take the box offices around the globe by storm. The start of the career the remaining third of this trio was largely due to the influence of said studio executive Mona Fong, who favoured the “other” actor to lure female audiences into the cinemas (She is also rumoured to be solely responsible for Tam’s stage name “Ti Lung”, a close verbal derivation of the name “Alain Delon”, her favourite movie star at the time of French dominance of the film market).

For nine years, between 1969 and 1977, both actors starred together in no less than 29 movies (attention SB movie trivia fans: only three of those 29 were not created under the influence or collaboration by Chang Cheh but rather by Chu Yuan (x2) and Li Han Hsiang (x1)), an output that speaks for their greed to live with severe private differences rather than give up lucrative revenue streams and stakes. Chiang started his career with a bang, getting awards and applause while Lung took the back seat in many cases. Then came 1973 and Lung took the critics by storm (Blood Brothers) for the first but not the last time. By 1974, both had financial stakes in SB, as well as in Cheh’s new company Chang’s Films Ltd, which was operating out of Taiwan to burn tax-bound funds for Shaw’s. During their most prosperous times together they had been awarded with kick backs and extra payments and it started to emerge that Lung cashed in more than Chiang. Still, the SB PR department refused to acknowledge problems (first the hassle over top star billing on the posters and in news coverage, then the rift between both due to their private life (the love triangle of Chiang with Lily Li and his later wife, which was despised by Lung and his wife who had rather conservative ideas. Then Chiang hit back with references to Lung’s former love Li Ching and to an alleged affair with Ching Li and another HK socialite), and finally their respective careers and future paths (Lung started to collaborate with other directors, Chiang (at the end) had to beg for starring roles before leaving the studio to go down the hill until it was only TV work and the odd cameo, whilst Lung (after kicking his alcohol problems) started a second and third career culminating in awards and global recognition).

The public relations bubble about two superstars being close friends, colleagues and business partners burst in 1975, after, in the course of the filming of “Empress Dowager”, it became clear that both had severe clashes on and off the set. Slowly, the bigwigs started to realise that their favourite milking cows had no future together. By the time “Naval Commandos” and “Death Duel” were filmed both actors could not even be forced to be together at the same set, let alone to appear in the same scenes. The even had contracts that stipulated that fact and it is rumoured that libel lawsuits had been filed between the two stars.

In the years until now, there had been several attempts to bring them together, but to this day, they refuse to be seen together at all. They even “could not attend” the funeral festivities of their mentor Chang Cheh together and despite being offered major §§§ they refuse to walk on the same side of the street together let alone attend some functions or share another single moment on the silver screen. Too much porcelain has been shattered and despite official lip services when asked in public about their relations (it goes as far as not answering or ignoring questions or giving thin lipped standard empty phrases praising each others contributions to their life) or niceties mumbled in hushed style, there is only a chance of a snowball in hell, that both see or speak to each other again.

[peringaten]

Wow, interesting stuff - cheers Mahsingyi. Amazing the rapport they shared on screen in spite of difficulties.
Might not have much relevance, and I might be looking speculatively too far into it or be completely wrong, but Derek Yee was David Chiang's half-brother right? I wonder how close he was with Chiang, and whether this ever effected any relations on set with Ti Lung in the films Yee and Ti Lung appeared in after the triangle stint...

[mahsingyi]

I have found two more excerpts after someone complained about some SB reviews regarding D. Chiang...

You took some time to answer and it is most appreciated. Now, dont get me wrong. I don't favour Lung over Chiang and if I go on (and I did so in many articles on different sites) to take a close view on Ti Lung (alcohol problems, the rocky relationship with Li Ching and their gambling problems that drove them apart, etc.) then there would be much to rap about. Now (as I have only a few minutes on my hands) a quick response to the Cheh/Lung/Chiang issue:
In official interviews Ti Lung always mentions Chang Cheh as a positive influence and as an "uncle" figure who pointed him into the right directions concerning directing and acting. He always states that without Cheh there won't be the successful actor Lung. But, Jen you're somewhat right, ... it is partly true that he never really forgave Cheh for letting him play second fiddle in the "iron triangle" collaborations. If SB would not have the then very influental lover of Sir Run Run, a certain Mona Fong, then Lung would probably have matched the faith of "eternal co-stars" such as Wang Chung, (to a degree) Chen Kuan Tai, Ku Feng or Cheng Lui. It was she that forced young Lung onto the screen in prolific starring roles, despite Cheh heavily endorsing and nurturing Chiang. But as Cheh saw the real potential of Lung (who is clearly an actor that meanwhile has surpassed every honour and career heights his real life foe Chiang previously had accummulated in the early 70ies) and gave him more sole starring roles in his movies than his real protege.

The reason Lung did not attend Cheh's funeral lies in the relationship between Lung and Chiang. Both are avoiding each other like the plaque. It is impossible to get them together at any occasion, they would never attend a function or even a date with the press together. The animosities go so deep (also strenghtened by the animosities between both spouses) that they would never even walk the same street at the same time. It's basically a "never forget, never forgive situation". So Lung sent his son instead...


And here is a summary of a little piece I did in another website forum:

Now, after a first short and perhaps brusque answer to your post, I have some spare time on my hands to elaborate, to explain and to state why my SB movie reviews at SCDC seem to be anti-David Chiang Da Wei (a presumption that, in reality and without a hindered sight due to tainted glasses of fandom, is far from true since several of my reviews are also either praising or acknowledging his work and roles):

Just for the record: Chiang had more feuds running and more foes than friends in the film business. After completely losing his superstar status in Asia (starting in the mid-70ies) and being reduced to Indie- and then TV-work his temper even got worse. Perhaps all he was lacking was an able and willing spin doctor...

Now being a fan of an actor/actress and to stubbornly defend them to the hilt is nice, but don't forget that they are just simple human beings with all faults and problems. Faults and problems that might shock you and that you perhaps don't want to hear...but facts nonetheless that are of utmost interest to the majority of readers and viewers. Because the roles they play on the silver screen don't reflect their private lives or their business decisions. Because you want to know more about a person you adore and whorship! And not at least because, if you believe their PR-enhanced or altered personas, then you are lead-on and merely day dreaming...and you don't want that to happen, now do you?!?

Now, let's take a few old and modern-day examples and comparisons: Take Doris Day: This grand lady and able actress of the screen in the 50ies played dozens of beautiful comedies, impersonating holier-than-holy female leads with morals, whilst being a drug-and-sex-crazed woman who was a complete slut in her real private daily life. When the films played in the cinemas, the critics and those in-the-know pointed towards her often severe private shortcomings. They only showed the truth behind studio walls and wrote about the scandals as an extra for an interested audience. Sure, you could still be a heavy fan of her despite those facts, but if you think that her roles, no matter how brilliantly played reflect anything closely resembling real life...you are nothing short of stupid. So you can love a person despite his/her shortcomings, but you should not put them on a pedestal where they don't belong, no matter what their achievements are.
Take Tom Cruise: This is an actor who has a devoted following of millions and millions around the globe. Even if he would win an Oscar one day (which is IMO very doubtful), it would not diminish the truth that he is a maniac control freak that would rather let the courts censor every article and quote about him (plus: he is a member of a not so harmless global US-based sect that is somewhat deranged to say the least). Whenever one of his films comes out, the critics rightfully point to his performance and yet along with the usual press ballyhoo they equally rightfully tell the audiences those little, dirty and well proven "behind-the-scenes" thingies, which shed a slightly different light on this man.

Same goes for David Chiang.
If you would have known him then your "no matter what he does he is over the top and nobody should dare to take a swing on him" attitude would vanish, despite all he did or did not do for Hong Kong's film industry. He was and perhaps still is not the well-liked buddy and hero from the screen, but always a man with greed, ambition, envy and other human faults. Also nobody with his eyes open, a grasp of Chinese literature and a healthy view towards beauty and acting abilities could see him differently than in my probably harshest review as a completely wrong casted actor in the flick "Have Sword Will Travel", where he played a "little (he is with a height of 1m 59cm rather short) brooding (the role he performs best in his work and private life as well) starving nerd (his role, nothing else). …

[Chinatown Kid]

I'm not saying you are mahsingyi but it sounds like you really don't like Chiang and have alot of animosity toward him so you come off sounding a bit biased. That's not to say that what you say about Chiang is not true but it's evident your not a member of the David Chiang fan club.:lol I remember one time I stated that Chiang and Ti both stated in interviews that there was no animosity between them and that there was no jealousy. You responded to that saying I hate to spoil your fan illusions CK but the hate between them was very true. It may have been true and maybe they were both trying to cover up the grudge they had but I was just taking their word for what they said in the interviews. Life is too short to carry such grudges and I think they should be mature and mellow enough with age to put such petty BS behind them. I like'um both.

[Chen Zhen]

both of them are favs of mine...David Chiang has this sarcastic/witty edge to him, and ti lung is just straight up cool. its always a joy watching them..seperately or together.

[limubai2000]

I'm not saying you are mahsingyi but it sounds like you really don't like Chiang and have alot of animosity toward him so you come off sounding a bit biased.

I have to disagree with that totally. I'm sure Mahs could write an equally long post about Ti Lung's problems and issues. Sounds to me like Chiang blamed part of his failing career on Lung possibly.

The difference, as I see it, is Ti Lung was able to rise from the failure of his career and start over again whilst Chiang just went downhill into nothing, in anger no less.

I point out that the resurrection of Lung's career echoes the "conquer yourself" spirit of CMA and "life is about change, accept it, master it" which is also one of the four pillars of Buddhism. It might be possible that Lung embraced the idealism of characters he had portrayed on screen.

[Chinatown Kid]

That very well may be the case, that's just the way I interpreted Mah's post. I never knew Ti was an alcoholic either but I guess if you look hard enough you could find dirt on just about anybody as we're all human. They both seem like nice, pleasent guys in interviews and if there is animosity between them I wish they could just bury the hachet. Some people just aren't able to do this though. Oh well, like I said I think their both great.

[SBfan4life]

Were things really that bad between the two that they would not be on the same set during filming , speak to each other, etc. ???
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/sbfan4life/Sylvies%20Wonderful%20David%20Chiang%20Pictures/sylvie6.jpg

[Chinatown Kid]

LOL, they look mighty chummy smoking those stogies together don't they?

[teako170]

they look mighty chummy smoking those stogies together don't they? Ya got that right CKid. If a photo is worth a thousand words, then this photo (at the very least) diminishes the great feud that we have always read about. Granted, one photo alone doesn't wipe out the possibility that these two didn't have their share of quarrels over the years but unless there's some trick photography in the works, two-guys-who-can't-stand-in-the-same-room-together myth seems to have been debunked.

Thanks for the photo, SBfan4life. Anyone able to transcribe those pesky Chinese characters below the two gents?? (who btw are breaking the law in some states by smoking indoors!) :b

[SBfan4life]

Hey Chinatownkid & teako170,
I had to go "over the river and through the woods" to my Mom & Dads house to see if they could translate the Chinese for me.....

I tried to get my Dad to translate the words one by one, by he was too impatient, and his eyesite isn't that great... he summed it up saying :

"Ti Lung & David Chiang were not good friends like they use to be. Now they have put the past & their differences behind them & together they Celebrate Ti Lungs Award at the 1986 Asia's Golden Horse Awards

Christine

[teako170]

Nice. Thx Christine.

[Tosh]

I take it David Chiang is standing on a box for this pic? or maybe Ti is standing down on some stairs:p

[pcshawbros]

I remember the last movie they shared a scene together briefly was in "Just Heroes" with Chen Kuan Tai as the bad guy and a bunch of old SB stars directed by Chang Cheh/Wu Ma. DC introduced TL as his old friend, even touching his shoulder. TL basically ignored him. Probably about 10 seconds of air time together.

[HANZOSTEEL]

I'm not saying you are mahsingyi but it sounds like you really don't like Chiang and have alot of animosity toward him so you come off sounding a bit biased.

I couldnt agree more, all the shaw brothers actors should be respected not shat upon. WoW. but anyways i like them both personally. I like all of them just wish they would have been more savy when getting new talent mostly there was the same roundup.

[SBfan4life]

Here's another picture a friend sent me, she says that this picture is around the late 80's ... what do you guys think ?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/sbfan4life/DCTI2.jpg

Christine

[Tosh]

Here's another picture a friend sent me, she says that this picture is around the late 80's ... what do you guys think ?

They look pretty cool to me, It should be no surprise that these guys egos were so blown up that they couldn't get along, it has happened a lot between actors and musicians.

[Chinatown Kid]

Chiang seems to have aged a little better than Ti. Nice to see another picture of them together, thanks.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

I must say, in that first photo they don't look like they have an attitude, or any sort of discomfort whatsoever, being in one anothers company. It's nice to see them getting along and considering more and more that the previous rumours mentioned on this thread are unfounded or just plain untrue.

[SBfan4life]

I don't know what year this is...late 80's early 90's ?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/sbfan4life/Sylvies%20Wonderful%20David%20Chiang%20Pictures/DavidFriends.jpg
Christine

[rindge]

The pix of Ti Lung reminds of shanghai 13 when he had on the ascot, rubber boots, the pipe, and I think a hat.

[teako170]

I don't know what year this is...late 80's early 90's ? Christine - That photo is from the kick off reception for CC's film "Just Heroes" (1989). There's a few b/w images of this reception in CC's Memoir book. Do you have any more color photos of that reception you can post? If anyone likes, I'll scan those b/w's and post.

[SBfan4life]

Thanks teako 170 for the very interesting info. ! Is there more you can tell us about the reception ? When you can, please scan b/w pic's from the book for us !

Do you have any more color photos of that reception you can post?

No I don't...but...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/sbfan4life/David%20and%20Ti%20Lung/DVDOptimumABetterTomorrow-Bonus-Cro.jpg
Just found this photo from Hong Kong Cinemagic while googling after reading your post...here is the original link :
[b]www.hkcinemagic</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-- (http://www.hkcinemagic.com/en/page.asp?aid=182&page=1)

[teako170]

Here you go Chris. The last photo you posted is also in the book. I scanned it anyway with the list of actors in the photo. Just Heroes seems to be packing some talent. Anyone have this movie? PM me if you would be willing to do a trade.

http://www.teako170.com/justheroes1.jpg

http://www.teako170.com/justheroes2.jpg

http://www.teako170.com/justheroes3.jpg

http://www.teako170.com/justheroes4.jpg

[SBfan4life]

Thanks for the GREAT b/w pictures teako !!! I especially love the group picture of all the cast at the end...(did you notice that Wang Chung wasn't in this ? )

How was "Chang Cheh's : Memoir" book ? I probably will pick this up soon.

Christine

[teako170]

CC Memoir was not what I expected it to be. Lots of material on his writings, politics, etc. Not much on the films of mid 70s and beyond. Still an interesting read nontheless.

[sevenhooks]

Ditto on the book.
Interesting read, but don't expect any pontificating on the venoms - at ALL.
In fact, I think Kuo Chui gets one brief mention in the entire book.

I really dug that pic from the set of Shaolin Rescuers though.
Pretty cool.

[teako170]

but don't expect any pontificating on the venoms Well, lets not forget that photo on the set of the Five Venoms in which the caption reads: Chang Cheh directing an "actor" :(

To quote Rod D: "Sheesh... the Venoms get no respect."

To add insult to injury, the poor "actor" in question is actually Wei Pai -- who gets no respect for being a Venom in the first place. :\

[Linn1]

Chang Cheh didn't comment on the period because of the amount of crap he had taken over the years from HK film critics after about 1976 and beyond. When he returned to HK after what was considered the failure of his production company, and the venom films didn't do as well as his previous films locally, the critics took the chance to turn on Chang in a big way. This is when questions about him being gay turned up, and also complaints about his talent slipping at the box-office and in his films. He was attacked at all angles at this time, so there's little wonder he wouldn't want to go through it much. You'll note even in the introduction a mention is slipped in about Chang's "gayness," then Chang denies it at least twice in the rest of the book. Considering the man was dying as the book was being compiled, I lost of LOT of respect for the HK Film Archives for that.

On a sidenote, this reminds me of a behind the scenes story I heard a little while ago. There's a film called Yang + Ying : Gender In Chinese Cinema that's about gay filmmakers in HK. During this film, there's a segment on Chang Cheh. He's interviewed by Stanley Kwan. If you've seen the film, you see Chang Cheh sitting in his house talking on camera. During that segment in the film, there's a narrator talking about the clear signs of Chang Cheh's gay films with the typical shots of shirtless fighters, etc. Then they cut to a VERY frail (I'm guessing late 80s) Chang setting in his living room and being asked about being a gay filmmaker. Chang was not told he was being interviewed for a piece on gay films, but on Shaw Brothers films he directed. Chang is asked the question, replies that he was not gay, and simply wanted to put forth strong male role-models on screen during a time where there were none. But Kwan didn't stop there, he continued to ask the same question four more times, in the film it's just once more. On the second question, the old man nearly falls out of his chair and almost starts crying while denying as loud as he can that he is gay. In the film, the narriator continues on talking about Chang's gay films as if nothing happened. But Kwan continued to ask the question two more times, until Chang brokedown crying saying that such questions were what ruined his career and they were untrue then and now. His wife came in and kicked them out of the house.

[Chinatown Kid]

It's really disgusting, at his advanced age instead of respecting and revering Cheh for his work over the years they try to acuse him of being something he isn't and try to make a scandel or smear him. If he said he wasn't gay they should have took his word for it and shown him respect instead of harrassing him on and on about it.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

Too bad Chang Cheh didn't have a bodyguard who'd kick the living @#%$ out of people who harrased him like this.

[SBfan4life]

Thanks alot for the detailed info. about CC's book. I thought it would of covered more of his personal thoughts, ideas, fond memories , favorite actors, etc.

Linn, Thanks for sharing what CC went through. It's too bad he was treated like that...

Christine

[Linn1]

I don't mean to give a wrong impression, if you're a fan of Chang Cheh, you need to get the book. Just know that it does mainly cover his start up to 1975 or so in detail. But it does have a bit on all his films.

[gfanikf]

Ah, remind me to beat the living crap out of Stanley Kwan if I get the chance.

[killer meteor]

Kwan is one of those annoying jerks who ruins film studies by trying to prove everyone is as perverted as he is. Some of his comments are quite disturbing

[gfanikf]

So were in agreement we'll all going to kick the crap out of Stanley Kwan.

[SBfan4life]

put him apart & quartered like David Chiang in "Heroic Ones"

Christine

[SBfan4life]

Hi Everyone,

Hope you all are doing fine ! My friend Lily just sent me another picture of the guys with Chang Cheh ... anyone know what year this may be ?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/sbfan4life/David%20and%20Ti%20Lung/DCTi21.jpg

Christine

[venomchamber]

I always have been and always will be a fan of Chang Cheh and the complete output of his work.
In regards to all the torment he had to put up with in his later years, he did not deserve any of that negativity and/or those false accusations he received, and it saddens me that he had to deal with imbeciles like that till the very end. >:

He was a gentleman and a scholar, and is to be honored and respected.
He literally created the entire kung-fu movie genre by taking the traditional wu-xia film to the next level. If there were no Tiger Boy, there wouldn't have been a One-Armed Swordsman. If there were no One-Armed Swordsman, then there wouldn't have been a Chinese Boxer. Obviously, if there was no Chinese Boxer, there probably wouldn't have been a market for a little film called Fists Of Fury. Can I get an a-men?
We have much to be grateful and thankful to him for.

I miss you Chang Cheh. :(
'nuff said.

[SBfan4life]

"YOU ARE SOOOOOO RIGHT" venomchamber, We have much to be grateful and thankful to him for ... a-men !!!

Christine

[legacy1974]

hello,

wondering if ti lung and david chiang ***STILL*** are friends after all these years have passed ? They do not bash each other on interviews and seem to have nice comments to say about each other ... what gives ?

[The Dragon]

Wow... that's something I never knew about these men; that they really didn't care for one another. Just goes to show, they were better actors than any of us originally thought.:o

[AlbertV]

Wow...who would have thought that one of the greatest on-screen duos actually did not get along??? Wait...the same thing happened in old Hollywood...believe it or not, for a while, Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers didn't get along either. At least they put aside their differences when they did.

[sbfan4life]

In the years until now, there had been several attempts to bring them together, but to this day, they refuse to be seen together at all. They refuse to walk on the same side of the street together let alone attend some functions or share another single moment on the silver screen. There is only a chance of a snowball in hell, that both see or speak to each other again.

David Chiang, Ti Lung, Wang Yu, Chang Pei-Pei, Blacky Ko, Beardy, Yueh Wah, Gordon Liu and many others attend The 2007 Hong Kong Film Award Together ...

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7641/hongkongfilmawardsaprilis8.jpg

[TibetanWhiteCrane]

I doubt Blacky Ko attended the 2007 HKFA, since he died in 2003!

[Killer Meteor]

Funny how Wang Yu is completely obliterated on that photo!

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Nice pic! I don't see Blacky Ko, but who is that guy to the right of Gordon Liu? He looks lost.

[SamuraiDana]

Jimmy Wang Yu's not obliterated, he's standing in front of the others, right behind the guy with white hair at the mike that they're all applauding.

Who are the women in the photo? That looks like Kara Hui Ying Hung in the center, with Cheng Pei Pei just to the right of her (Kara's left), but who's right of Pei Pei (Pei Pei's left)? And who's the one next to Gordon?

[venoms5]

Nice pic! I don't see Blacky Ko, but who is that guy to the right of Gordon Liu? He looks lost.

Looks like Tony Liu Yung. The girl next to Cheng Pei-pei looks like Ching Li.

[teako170]

David Chiang, Ti Lung, Wang Yu, Chang Pei-Pei, Blacky Ko, Beardy, Yueh Wah, Gordon Liu and many others attend The 2007 Hong Kong Film Award Together ...

Hey Chris -

Thanks for the photo and for re-opening up this thread.
I had forgotten about this thread and was re-reading all the old posts --
(Linn/ Mah/ Seven/ limubai/ et al...)
Ahhhhh, the good ol' days of KFF.... :)

Hope everything is well on your end.... T

.....

As for the TL/DC debate, that happened a very very long time ago -
and I for one prefer to remember them like this instead...
Forever buddies. Forever "Blood Brothers."
(from SS / Jan 1976)

http://www.teako170.com/buddies.jpg
..props to Carol.

[Winfred]

The women from left to right are : Kara Hui, Cheng Pei-pei, Helen Ma and to the extreme right next to Gordon Liu is Lily Li. Chiao Chiao's in front with the red blouse.

[sbfan4life]

"Forever buddies. Forever "Blood Brothers." Thanks for the great picture teako170 !

The women from left to right are : Kara Hui, Cheng Pei-pei, Helen Ma and to the extreme right next to Gordon Liu is Lily Li. Chiao Chiao's in front with the red blouse.Thanks for the id Winfred !

I doubt Blacky Ko attended the 2007 HKFA, since he died in 2003!

Sorry about that ...


Christine

[TibetanWhiteCrane]

Looks like GORDON CHAN, waaay out on the left!

[Grady-San]

Exactly teako! Thats how I still picture them in my mind. And no amount of so called dirt/hatred will ever change my mind. :)

[The Dragon]

Anyone ever notice David Chiang and Bruce Lee were around the same height, and possibly weight? I saw the photo of them together in another thread here walking at Shaw's backlot and it was really interesting.:rolleyes:

[Killer Meteor]

Jimmy Wang Yu's not obliterated, he's standing in front of the others, right behind the guy with white hair at the mike that they're all applauding.

Who are the women in the photo? That looks like Kara Hui Ying Hung in the center, with Cheng Pei Pei just to the right of her (Kara's left), but who's right of Pei Pei (Pei Pei's left)? And who's the one next to Gordon?

By Jove you're right. I was looking for him in his trademark Rod Steiger lookalike specs!

[Markgway]

Wong Jing is there too.

Who's the guy next to him? Alex Man?


Kenneth Tsang is in the second photo.

[haiyah2010]

manshingyi (i think that was the name?) needs to get his facts straight... definitely seems like a DC hater.

David is at least 175cm, not 159. And he and Ti Lung have been at many events together since their falling out. Egos are an inevitable factor among young stars. Especially among strong male stars who are both fighting to stay on top. Unfortunately this means that friends sometimes go their separate ways, but they are grown ups.

Plus, both DC and Ti Lung have had their fair share of great flicks (post-Shaw) and awards. They've both won, they've both progressed, they've both succeeded. I don't see why you would think that one was more successful than the other.

SBfan and CK, great posts!!