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Chinatown Kid

11-06-2007, 10:20 PM

Alot of people don't like John Liu but I've always been impressed by his flexability and the way he can use his right leg like a third arm. The best he ever looked to me was in Zenkwando Strikes in Paris and Incredible Kung Fu Mission. Sure he favors mostly his right leg but damn look what he can do with it. Most kickers do have a favorite leg they use, just like TTL favors his left, so does Hwang In Sik. I think one of the main reasons Hwang Jang Lee is widely considered the best and the lord of leg combat is because he is equally proficent and versatile with both his left and right leg and I have to agree. Even though people like Liu and Tan favor using one leg over the other I still think they are fine kickers and look impressive as hell! :)

Morgoth

11-06-2007, 10:32 PM

Yeah those guys are amazing to watch. Whang In-sik is on another level than most. His control and power are breathtaking.

5 Element Boxer- Now that you bring up Siu Lung, I would have to say he was the most powerful. Siu Hung was also a great kicker. And how the hell has nobody brought up Yasuaki Kurata? That shows we have talked about this way too much lately if we are forgetting guys like Kurata. We should talk about our favorite punchers next:D Chan Wai Man gets my vote!

5 Element Boxer

11-06-2007, 11:05 PM

And how the hell has nobody brought up Yasuaki Kurata? That shows we have talked about this way too much lately if we are forgetting guys like Kurata.

Oh shit! You're right dude. Kurata always gives 100% onscreen. And he has some deadly kicks too. Just look at his Crab technique in Heroes of the East. His kicks were very quick and powerful. He showed off some great leg movement in Legend of a Fighter as well. Damn, good call, Morgoth. :cool:

Milkyway

11-06-2007, 11:29 PM

I don't consider Donnie Yen nor Bruce Lee superkickers because they didn't just train their legs to be effective. But they still have great kicks on display, especially Donnie Yen.

theportlykicker

11-07-2007, 12:11 AM

Casanova Wong FTW! No one else had the same mix of raw power and athleticism as him.

rederror

11-07-2007, 11:04 AM

i have to agree, Casanova is the man!

rdenn

11-07-2007, 12:21 PM

bruce liang deserves to be mentioned look at his boot in little superman, call me dragon & broken oath.

AlbertV

11-07-2007, 03:58 PM

1: Hwang Jang-Lee
2: Delon Tan Tao-Liang
3: Casanova Wong
4: Kwon Yong-Moon
5: Kim Won-Jin
6: Bruce Leung Siu-Lung
7: Yasuaki Kurata
8: Michael Ian Lambert
9: Scott Adkins
10: Collin Chou

These are my favorite superkickers on screen.

deathdunt

11-07-2007, 06:26 PM

John Liu
Hwang Jang Li
Casanova Wong
Tan Tao Liang
Lo Rei

are my top 5

will91XingYu

11-07-2007, 07:26 PM

Bruce Liang is good, but is brother Tony Liang is just as good!

Morgoth

11-07-2007, 07:31 PM

Tony Leung Siu Hung has a great scene in Duel of the 7 tigers. He is great in all of the movies he was in. I wish he had been in more movies because he has amazing control of his kicks.

AlbertV

11-07-2007, 07:48 PM

Tony Leung Siu Hung has a great scene in Duel of the 7 tigers. He is great in all of the movies he was in. I wish he had been in more movies because he has amazing control of his kicks.

That's why I liked Bloodmoon and Superfights. He utilized the kicking styles of Brandon Gaines and Keith Vitali in Superfights (Keith does a nice Ken Lo-like leg winging) and in Bloodmoon, he has Darren Shahlavi do a nice kick combo in his opening fight against Hakim "The Machine" Alston and then the very short but sweet fight between Gary Daniels and Chuck Jeffreys and then both fights with Gary vs. Darren.

will91XingYu

11-07-2007, 07:56 PM

Cool, have to check those films out, i liekd the fights he coreographed for No Retraet no Surrender, acting wise he's great in Five Superfighters and for me is the standout action wise with his amazing kicks (the rest of the actors and fights are outstanding to), i was wondering does he get any action in Thunder Clap?

Morgoth

11-07-2007, 08:07 PM

That's why I liked Bloodmoon and Superfights. He utilized the kicking styles of Brandon Gaines and Keith Vitali in Superfights (Keith does a nice Ken Lo-like leg winging) and in Bloodmoon, he has Darren Shahlavi do a nice kick combo in his opening fight against Hakim "The Machine" Alston and then the very short but sweet fight between Gary Daniels and Chuck Jeffreys and then both fights with Gary vs. Darren.

I haven't seen Superfights, but I liked Bloodmoon because all of the fight scenes were nice and long. Even Rob Van Dam had a good fight (even though he throws the weakest kick I have ever seen). And I wish Chuck Jeffreys had more good roles. That guy can move with the best of em.

will91XingYu

11-07-2007, 09:27 PM

Morgoth you definatley have to check out Five Superfighters! It's got some amazing tag team coreography! Hiroyuki Sanada has some amazing kicks as well.

Morgoth

11-07-2007, 09:28 PM

Yeah the end fight is sick. that is Siu Hung at his best.

will91XingYu

11-07-2007, 09:33 PM

His best kick is when he does both legs to Kwan Fengs temple! He is awesome why didnt he make more films!!!!!!!!!!

Morgoth

11-07-2007, 09:36 PM

I guess he just enjoyed choreographing more. Not as hard on the body:p And he has done some of the best choreography ever put to film.

will91XingYu

11-07-2007, 09:46 PM

Did he coreograph Magic Crytals, cos that fight with Andy Lau and Chung Fat is amazing.

Morgoth

11-07-2007, 09:47 PM

Yeah he choreographed MAgic Crystal. Rothrock and Richard Norton at their best in that movie.

will91XingYu

11-07-2007, 09:48 PM

Would Wilson Tong be a superkicker, or more a shapes guy with his feet?

Morgoth

11-07-2007, 10:34 PM

I guess you can call anybody who is a good kicker a superkicker. Hell, even Lau KAr Leung could be called a superkicker. When he kicks it doesn't look fancy, but it looks fast and deadly.

will91XingYu

11-08-2007, 08:16 AM

Yhe i guess, i don't think anyone has mentioned Yuen Biao cos he can do things even Hwang Jang Lee cannot do.

Morgoth

11-08-2007, 08:28 AM

Yuen Biao can do just about anything you ask him to do, but to me he just doesn't have enough power in his kicks to be compared to the other guys listed.

rdenn

11-08-2007, 12:31 PM

[Would Wilson Tong be a superkicker, or more a shapes guy with his feet]

i would call that stepping than kicking, well thats the uk term :), tony leung siu hung is superb kicker he does get a beatdown by his brother in the movie black belt karate.

Endsang

11-08-2007, 01:12 PM

I guess you can call anybody who is a good kicker a superkicker. Hell, even Lau KAr Leung could be called a superkicker. When he kicks it doesn't look fancy, but it looks fast and deadly.

That is why I enjoy seeing Lo Meng kick. He's flexible enough to be kicking all over the place, but instead it seems he only does it when the time is right, and it looks real powerful. A bit more realistic too, since staying on one foot the whole fight obviously hurts the balance big time.

will91XingYu

11-08-2007, 02:32 PM

I agree about Lo Meng, his kicks look good and realistic if that makes sense, i don't know if anyones said him but Billy Chong is a kicking master!

WalkOn

11-08-2007, 03:05 PM

Watching the bootmasters do their thing is my favorite! They're many superkickers so it's just a matter of preference. I listed old school and new school kickers.

Tan Tao Liang
John Liu (How the heck can anyone say he can't kick??? Sure, he may get a little sloppy at times, but just watch Death Deul of Kung Fu)
Casanova Wong
Wang Jang Lee
Whang In Sik
Billy Chong
Kwan Young Moon
Benny Tsui
Yasuaki Kurata
Carl Scott
Bruce Liang
Tony Leung Siu Hung
Hiroyuko Sanada
Sun Chien & other the super kicker henchman from the venoms films(always forget his name)
Han Ying
Shan Chan
Alexander Lo Rei
Donnie Yen
Tiger Yang
Fan Siu Wong
Gary Daniels
Tung Wei
Yuen Biao
Dick Wei
Michael Jai White
Daniel Bernhart
Collin Chou
Ken Lo
Won Jin
Scott Atkins
Brad Allen
Loren Avedon
Keith Hirabayashi (Cooke)
Ron Smoorenburg
Kim Tai Jung (Tang Lung)??? Hard to tell, I saw 2 films of his and he was heavily double by Yuen Biao but felt compelled to mention him but he looked great in Tower of Death.

The list can go on, but that's all I can think of at the moment!

AlbertV

11-08-2007, 03:14 PM

Just for those who are interested, I haven't seen the movie yet, but Tony Leung Siu-Hung did the action for a horror-action film called Seven Mummies, starring Andrew "Leatherface" Bryniarski.

will91XingYu

11-08-2007, 03:22 PM

The venom henchmen was Tam Jun Tao:) I forgot about Benny Tsiu he was pretty good in Shaolin Thunderkick.

WalkOn

11-08-2007, 05:21 PM

Tam Jun Tao, I never remember his name. Thanks, will91XingYu!

will91XingYu

11-08-2007, 05:28 PM

thats cool, he has a few different names i think! There was another baby venom who was kind of a superkicker called Chan Siu Kai who gets his balls ripped off by Chiang Sheng in Two Champions of Shaolin. Speaking of Chiang Sheng, Edison Chen will have the role of the student in the new Five Venoms film!

WhiteTiger1

11-09-2007, 01:06 AM

1.John Liu
2.Hwang Jang-Lee
3.Tan Tao-Liang
4.Cassanova Wong
5.Bruce Lee- showed more strength in his kicks then anybody I have seen.:cool:

Bus

11-09-2007, 07:45 AM

hwang jang lee
john liu
tan tao liang
won jin
dick wei
whang inshik
yasuaki kurata
billy chow
sun chien
alexander lo rei
billy chong
donnie yen
scott atkins
yuen biao
benny tsui
collin chou
tiger yang
bruce liang
jerry trimble
taam chui<--- please let this guy be in more movies

will91XingYu

11-09-2007, 03:41 PM

Endsang

11-09-2007, 04:46 PM

Casanova's leaping kick over the table against Fung Hark-On in Warriors Two gave me the chills.

http://www.dvdactive.com/images/reviews/screenshot/2005/1/warriorstwocap5.jpg

theportlykicker

11-09-2007, 06:15 PM

The best kick i have ever seen is the one Casanova Wong does where he does hits three people at once, he does it Master Strikes and Magnificent Wonderman. Also dose anyone know if Xing Yu is in any new projects?

Casanova's leaping kick over the table against Fung Hark-On in Warriors Two gave me the chills.

2 perfect examples of why he's the greatest superkicker ever! :D

Morgoth

11-09-2007, 06:43 PM

Well if you watched more Hwang Jang Lee movies you would know he is the best kicker because he can rip down trees with his legs:p

will91XingYu

11-09-2007, 09:46 PM

lol, i think Casanova Wong is a better kicker than Hwang Jang Lee, he looks like his kicks would hurt way more! Hwang Jang Lee didn't strech on the film set because he said it made his kicks less powerful.

WalkOn

11-10-2007, 01:48 AM

Jerry Trimble! How can I forget him! Like Don "The Dragon" Wilson, Jerry's real life kickboxing matches look just as good (and sometimes better) than his choreographed movie fights! My favorite fight is the ending of One Man Army and his final battle against Jet Li in The Master.
I'll list my favorite kicking moments of the following stars.

Tan Tao Liang - Intro to Hot, Cool and Vicious (When he spits the 11/12 super high kicks w/o flinching is his finest film moment to me!) One of the best intros ever.
John Liu - Fight against 3 thugs in Zen Kwun Do Strikes in Paris
Casanova Wong - Tower of Death vs Kim Tai Jung (Tang Lung)
Wang Jang Lee - Tiger Over Wall final fight vs Philip Ko
Whang In Sik - Young Master - first fight sceen vs against many guards.
Billy Chong - Kung Fu Zombie vs Kwan Young Moon
Kwan Young Moon - Final fight in Rebellious Reign
Benny Tsui - Master of Tiger Crane vs WJL final fight
Yasuaki Kurata - Legend of a Fighter vs Leung Kar Yan final fight
Carl Scott - Kung Fu Executioner one on one fight against thug w/white vest
Bruce Liang - The Fist (TV series) I can't name the episode, but he had plenty of fights that hi-lighted his bootwork at its best, imo!
Tony Leung Siu Hung - Five Super Fighters - Final fight scene
Hiroyuko Sanada - Ninja in a Lion's Den vs Conan Lee
Sun Chien - Killer Army
Tam Jun Tao - vs Lo Mang - not sure if its Killer Army or Shaolin Rescuers
Han Ying - Death Duel of Kung Fu vs John Liu
Shan Chan - Shaolin vs Lama vs Alexander Lo Rei
Alexander Lo Rei - Devil's Killer vs Alan Chui Chung San
Donnie Yen - Iron Monkey vs 4 monks
Tiger Yang - Tower of Death vs Kim Tai Jung
Fan Siu Wong - Death Games vs Billy Chow (I forgot to include Billy Chow on this list)
Gary Daniels - Fist of the North Star vs many before final fight
Tung Wei - Killer Wears White vs Yen Shi Kwan
Yuen Biao - Righting Wrongs vs Pete Cunningham
Dick Wei - Millionaires Express vs Yuen Biao
Michael Jai White - Universal Soldier vs Van Damme
Daniel Bernhart - Blood Sport III
Collin Chou - Bodyguard from Beijing vs Jet Li
Ken Lo - Drunken Master II vs Jackie Chan
Won Jin - Operation Scorpio vs Chin Kar Lok
Scott Atkins - Undisputed 2 Michael Jai White
Brad Allen - Gorgeous vs Jackie Chan
Loren Avedon - King of Kickboxers vs Billy Blanks
Keith Hirabayashi (Cooke) - King of Kickboxers vs many
Ron Smoorenburg - Who Am I? vs Jackie Chan
Kim Tai Jung - Tower of Death vs Wang Jang Lee

AlbertV

11-10-2007, 07:52 PM

Kane Kosugi I can consider a superkicker after seeing Muscle Heat/Blood Heat. In his first fight scene, he takes on two henchmen at once and he jumps in the air and spins into a split kick hitting both henchmen and his fight against Ken Lo where he does a HJL-like triple kick and his helicopter kick.

Morgoth

11-10-2007, 08:08 PM

Yeah Kane Kosugi can do some amazing stuff. I heard he gets a few seconds of action in War. I wonder what's up with that. He was the highlight of DOA for me. You would think Corey Yuen would want to give him more fight time.

Iron_Jinon

11-10-2007, 08:09 PM

john liu must be supreme.tan tao liang also have delivered some awesome bootwork,hwang jang lee too.

will91XingYu

11-11-2007, 12:33 AM

WalkOn

11-11-2007, 06:40 PM

Agreed, Muscle Heat/Blood Heat made me realize Kane is a superkicker in deed! Especially the fight against many thugs in the hallway. Shame on me for leaving him off my list! So many great kickers, never too many! ;-)

Iron_Jinon

11-11-2007, 06:52 PM

Kane Kosugi gets the best action in War and it's only for like 15 seconds! In my opinion i think Kwan Young Moon was better than John Liu and maybe Tan Tao Liang, becuase he could vary his kicks and he had a real attitude behind them, him like Hwang Jang Lee and Billy Chong is they could slip into any kind from period to modren and adapt, while John Liu can't for me, also he does the same like 4 kicks over and over again but obviousley he was talented but not one of my favs imo.
I forgot kwon young moon,in rebellious reign he kicks heads like hell,formidable villain...was cool also in "my young auntie".billy chong is not in top branch IMO but when he is villain watchers are guaranteed for good showdown,

Morgoth

11-11-2007, 07:15 PM

Billy Chong as a villain? You must be mistaking him for someone else. Chong's kicks are very crisp and he was also pretty good at acrobatics. His kicking skills are up there with anybody.

Iron_Jinon

11-11-2007, 07:19 PM

Billy Chong as a villain? You must be mistaking him for someone else. Chong's kicks are very crisp and he was also pretty good at acrobatics. His kicking skills are up there with anybody.
my mistake sorry I was thinking billy chow....chongs films I have only seen crystal fist(awesome) and kung-fu zombie(terrible)

Morgoth

11-11-2007, 07:24 PM

For me it would go like this-

Kung Fu Zombie- awesome (I love his first fight with Kwan Young Moon, I love the training scenes, and it is my favorite role of Chan Lau's long career)

Kung fu from Beyond the Grave- average

Invincible Monkey Fist- terrible

will91XingYu

11-11-2007, 07:38 PM

Isn't Monkey Fist with Elton Chong? Cos Billy Chong makes generally all good films, but Elton Chong made loads of really bad movies mostly with Mike Wong and Han Ying.

Morgoth

11-11-2007, 07:49 PM

Isn't Monkey Fist with Elton Chong? Cos Billy Chong makes generally all good films, but Elton Chong made loads of really bad movies mostly with Mike Wong and Han Ying.

Invincible Monkey Fist is a horrible Chen Kuan Tai movie.

will91XingYu

11-11-2007, 08:05 PM

Oh right sorry, it's Fist of the Goledn Monkey with Elton Chong.

AlbertV

11-12-2007, 01:59 AM

Billy Chong did play a villain in Aces Go Places V: The Terracotta Hit, directed by Lau Kar-Leung. He did some action but it wasn't nearly as exciting IMO as Jade Claw (Crystal Fist) and Super Power.

I loved Kwon Young-Moon in Return to the 36th Chamber. In the English dub, after he kicks Wei Pai, he points to his foot and says "This my friend is your justice". Kwon would go to America in 1985 to serve as action choreographer for Jun Chong's action film L.A. Streetfighters aka Ninja Turf.

Jun Chong is a great kicker also. The TKD grandmaster choreographed a pretty decent fight between himself and Hwang Jang-Lee in 1990's Street Soldiers and Joon B. Kim is a pretty good kicker as well.

I also forgot to mention former Goonie Jonathan Ke Quan as a superkicker. He trained under Philip Tan first on the set of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and he got to do some kicks in the film. He would go on to learn under Tan Tao-Liang and made his MA film debut in Breathing Fire. Believe it or not, Tan Tao-Liang was executive producer and based the story on his own film Shaolin Deadly Kicks, under the alias "Delon Tanners".

Morgoth

11-12-2007, 02:14 AM

That is some odd, but good information. Thanks. And what did Billy chong get, like 30 seconds of action in Aces Go Places 5? Completely wasted.

Sifu

11-12-2007, 03:57 AM

One of my favorite most impressive superkicker was Linda Lin from Drunken Master, aka Wong Fei Hung's aunt that whooped his (Jackie Chan's) ass after he gropes the girl who turns out to be his cousin! :D She did some really impressive stuff with Yuen Woo Ping's choreography :eek:

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Another great one from this flick was Hwang Jang Lee, he played the main villain in that and was amazing as well as a superkicker!

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Morgoth

11-12-2007, 04:04 AM

Yeah she was great. she also has a good fight against Corey Yuen in Dance of the Drunken Mantis-

kungfood

11-19-2007, 02:27 AM

In my mind, a superkicker is not simply a person who has good kicking skills, but whose kicking abilities are beyond those of most expert kickers. That said, my personal favorite superkickers in movies are the following in order:

Hwang Jang-Lee
Casanova Wong
Sun Chien
John Liu
Tan Tao-Liang
Whang In-Sik
Chang Shan
Kwon Young-Moon
Billy Chong
Billy Chow
Yasuaki Kurata
Bruce Liang
Hsia Kuang-Li
Tony Leung Siu-Hung
Donnie Yen

That's all I can think of for now. Also, I wish Sun Chien in particular could've had more opportunity to show his stuff. I saw some parts of Angry Ranger, but in that final fight he hardly threw any kicks, even far less than he was allowed to show in his Venoms films. I really like the way Sun and Casanova Wong both seem to flow so well in their kick combinations, using both left and right like human tornados. It seems Wong was a natural right-legger and Sun perhaps a natural left-legger, but both trained themselves to be comfortable with either side. And Billy Chong was really amazing in his ability to use his right/left legs and in perfect coordination with his hand techniques.

The Dragon

11-19-2007, 02:36 AM

#1.) Hwang Cheng Li
#2.) John Liu

and that is all...

These were/are the best kickers onscreen, and every/anyone else has to take a backseat to these fine Martial Artists.

:cool:

Iron_Jinon

11-20-2007, 01:56 PM

hwang jang lee
tan tao liang,john liu and kwon young moon seem to be about equal but lee is my fav of those who can kick like hell.he is better with hands than rest and his sinister looks and screen energy puts him into same level with wang lung wei.

will91XingYu

11-20-2007, 05:01 PM

For me i think Casanova Wong is better than Hwang Jang Li, in my opinion because mainly of that kick where he kicks three people at once. Mike Wong is really good, you can see him in films like Ninja Hunter and Ninja vs Shaolin guards with Lo Rei he also did a lot of work with Elton Chong:( which probably didn't help his career much, he also fights Gordon Liu in Raiders of Budhist Fist. Also sorry to mention him again but go on youtube and type in Xing Yu and 12 tam kick, this guy is my faviroute and will be a huge star! Also Cho Wing, the guy in the latter Yuen Wo Ping films, he fights Kenny Ho in Red Wolf.

Iron_Jinon

11-20-2007, 05:11 PM

For me i think Casanova Wong is better than Hwang Jang Li, in my opinion because mainly of that kick where he kicks three people at once
hwang jang lee does that in" hitman in the hand of buddha"..ca sa fa is definitely good also.

theportlykicker

11-20-2007, 08:06 PM

hwang jang lee does that in" hitman in the hand of buddha"

No he doesn't. Hwang does a kind of cheat version of the kick, whereby he jumps on the first 2 guys' shoulders first and then jumps off and kicks the last guy. He couldn't do it all in ONE GIANT leap like Cas. :)

Iron_Jinon

11-20-2007, 08:12 PM

lol. not cheating there is "proper" triple kick against same guys also...but :o to admit I have not seen Casanovas 3-kick.

Drunken Monk

11-20-2007, 08:33 PM

He pulls off a triple kick a few times in this video...

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Morgoth

11-20-2007, 08:56 PM

YES! YES!! YES!!! YES!!!!! This guy should win like a youtube award for making that video.

Sifu

11-20-2007, 09:03 PM

YES! YES!! YES!!! YES!!!!! This guy should win like a youtube award for making that video.

Well, I don't know about all that! It's easy to edit a bunch of scenes together. I plan on making a "Favorite Fight Scenes" compilation to put on Youtube and Veoh by sometime tommorow :eek: It'll be the shit.

Endsang

11-20-2007, 09:04 PM

-4:25 ... I love that move.

This also reminded me to see Secret Rivals 2 again, although my favourite part of that movie was when John Liu and Tino Wong has to fight the fist- and boot experts. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Yuen Woo Ping have a cameo here as one of the boot experts? I also thought I saw Corey Yuen dying twice in this movie. :p

will91XingYu

11-20-2007, 09:07 PM

Yuen Biao and Lu Feng are also in there!

clfnole

11-20-2007, 09:14 PM

Don't think I would mention Lu Feng in a conversation about superkickers. Weapons yes but not kicking.

will91XingYu

11-20-2007, 09:18 PM

No i meant he is in Secret Rivals 2. He's not a superkicker but he's got a mean butterfly kick on him:D Oh yeh Philip Kwok i would say can really kick!

clfnole

11-20-2007, 09:21 PM

Oh I misunderstood your post. You are right Kwok Choy/Kou Chui is an under-rated kicker. He went kick for kick with Sun Chien in Kid with the Golden Arm.

My short list of top kickers would be (in no order): Hwang Jang Lee, Tan Tao Liang and John Liu.

will91XingYu

11-20-2007, 09:23 PM

Yhe Kid with the Goledn Arm was an awesome kick fight! Although the Sun Chien twist was wierd. Alan Hsu reminds me of Wilson Tong they did shapes with their feet! Check out the end of Rebelliouse Reign to see what i mean, he does loads of cool kicks (alan hsu i mean)

CrazyFrog

11-20-2007, 10:27 PM

It seems obvious but a lot of the top guys are Korean or at least trained in Tae Kwon Do.
Tony Jaa, while not as focused of a "kicker" as some of these amazing athletes strikes me as a powerful kicker, especially for his size. He seems convincing in both direct powerful kicks and convoluted spin kicks. I like the jump kick in Tom Yum Goong where he shatters the street light. But I don't have nearly as much viewing experience as some of you all. Casanova Wong in Warriors Two and anything Kurata is in. That guy had control, power, and a sense of charisma.

Sifu

11-21-2007, 03:23 AM

It seems obvious but a lot of the top guys are Korean or at least trained in Tae Kwon Do.

Of course! Tae Kwon Do focuses more on the high kicking. Most chinese styles like Wing Chun and Hung Gar focus specifically on grounded hand-to-hand combat mainly. That's why I love watching them in Chinese flicks, it's an interesting contrast.

By the way, Hwang Jang Lee seems to be the one that shows up on people's lists the most on this thread. So far he's winning two to one! :cool:

daTOAD

11-21-2007, 03:31 PM

HJL. Superior leg control.

AlbertV

11-21-2007, 06:00 PM

Stephen Tung Wei is an underrated kicker as well. The thought of "kick" fights reminded me of his kick fight against John Liu in Mars' Villa.

Stephen Chow is a good kicker too with his legwork in his films. He may be a Wing Chun practicioner but if you see some of his films, he can be quite a kicker.

Scott Adkins is a hellacious kicker as well. If you see his final fight in Special Forces, he runs from the villain, then jumps into a jumping reverse roundhouse kick, then a sweep kick, then a tornado kick all in one sweeping motion against the villain's henchman. Then he does some wicked kicks in Undisputed II: Last Man Standing.

will91XingYu

11-21-2007, 06:54 PM

Tony Jaa did actually do taekwondo as well! But yeh he is awesome! I do like Hwang but for me not my faviroute at all, if i said he was a tad overated i'd be roasted on this forum!

Sifu

11-21-2007, 07:00 PM

No i meant he is in Secret Rivals 2. He's not a superkicker but he's got a mean butterfly kick on him:D Oh yeh Philip Kwok i would say can really kick!

Secret Rivals 1 and 2 to me, were the ultimate superkicker flicks!

Tony Jaa did actually do taekwondo as well! But yeh he is awesome! I do like Hwang but for me not my faviroute at all, if i said he was a tad overated i'd be roasted on this forum!

Ah, you no we aint like that! All the highest posters, me included, have been extremely nice to people. For constant arguing and bullying got to KFCC! HA HA! That's one of the reasons why I stopped posting there, this is my new favorite.

AlbertV

11-22-2007, 12:17 AM

I just thought of another kicker who was wasted. Michael Ian Lambert. His brief fight scene in Black Mask against Jet Li showed some wicked legwork. He would be pretty wasted but had a decent rematch against Jet Li in Danny the Dog or Unleashed.

Sifu

11-22-2007, 02:47 PM

Well, I don't know about all that! It's easy to edit a bunch of scenes together. I plan on making a "Favorite Fight Scenes" compilation to put on Youtube and Veoh by sometime tommorow :eek: It'll be the shit.

Remember this post! :D The vid is done, I tried to cut the scenes together quite professionally. I think you guys'll enjoy it. I made it especially for you guys here at the KFC (HA HA, that's funny :rolleyes:) forums. Please post some feedback if possible!

It starts out like a music video, but is not one. The movies featured include hi-res DVD rips from Legendary Weapons of China, 7 Grandmasters, The Prodigal Son, and the rest I'd rather not reveal. It'll spoil the surprise! Check it. (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1516454tn96QHf7?c=MonkeyKingsMovies)

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1516454tn96QHf7?c=MonkeyKingsMovies

Morgoth

11-22-2007, 06:19 PM

I don't like Veoh, but if you want to make a Chang Shan clip, then that is the only possible way I would consider it better than that award worthy Hwang Jang Lee clip:D

Sifu

11-22-2007, 06:39 PM

Please watch it though Morgoth!

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1516454tn96QHf7?c=MonkeyKingsMovies

theportlykicker

11-22-2007, 06:45 PM

I do like Hwang but for me not my faviroute at all, if i said he was a tad overated i'd be roasted on this forum!

I completely agree! I like him, but I've always thought he was a tad overrated. It always seemed to me like people just jumped on the "Hang Jang Lee is the best superkicker ever" bandwagon. No offense, I just don't see him as the best.

Milkyway

11-22-2007, 06:53 PM

people have different kicking styles so it's up to each of our own. I consider no one as the best, just unique in their own rights.

AlbertV

11-22-2007, 09:46 PM

Well, I'd have to say for power, Hwang Jang-Lee is definitely the best.

For the use of only one leg, I'd go with Delon Tan as the best in this department. Shooting out 15 kicks with one leg in 5 seconds in Duel with the Devils in the finale. I counted number of kicks and timed it (then again, it may have been undercranked, will have to see it again).

For spin kicks, my vote goes to Casanova Wong, the "Human Tornado".

For a lot of the technical portion of kicking, anyone that has been mentioned on this thread is all good. I agree with Milkyway in terms of that.

kungfood

11-23-2007, 04:21 AM

An amazing thing about Hwang Jang-Lee, as related by Roy Horan, was that Hwang was essentially self-taught. His parents did not allow him to join a group of Korean TKD men practicing in a field, so Hwang stole an old pair of pajamas from his dad as his first dobok (practice uniform), watched the men practice, then he would go off by himself in the mountains and practice what he'd seen. Later, a friend of his helped him sneak into a large black belt testing where Hwang k.o.'d all of his opponents in the fighting portion.

Hwang also did not believe in static stretching, but instead thought that the kicking movements themselves would give him the proper flexibility. He also did not believe in kicking a heavy bag, believing it would lessen one's extension and power. He felt that kicking the air at imaginary targets developed the requisite speed, extension, control, and accuracy.

I feel he was one of those people with natural "rubber legs," or natural flexibility and didn't need much stretching. I think that is unique to only a relatively few people, however. Quite an interesting man.

Endsang

11-24-2007, 12:01 PM

I haven't seen anyone mention Ben Lam. His kicks look really realistic and powerful on screen.
Haven't seen much of Hiroyuki Sanada's early stuff, but I really enjoyed his style in Ninja in the Dragon's Den. Impressive agility.

Morgoth

11-24-2007, 08:51 PM

Damn right Endsang. Ben Lam could kick with the best of them, and Sanada, well, I think he may be part monkey. He is so amazing.

will91XingYu

11-24-2007, 09:58 PM

Yhe Hiroiyuki could do nearlly anything, he looked really cool on screen as well, him and Conan Lee should of gone on to greater things.

kungfood

11-24-2007, 10:18 PM

I only saw parts of the final fight so far, but IMO Tiger on Beat is Conan Lee's best film. According to Ng See-Yuen, Ng had plans to develop Conan Lee into a big star. He was going to film a movie in Europe or somewhere with Lee, and Lee backed out of it, feeling it was beneath him. Lee then took roles in a lot of stupid movies (Gymkata, and another poor American movie about time travelers). Then came TOB. After which was the Aces Go Places (4?), then one more film where he's unceremoniously blown up, then that was it. So except for TOB, he didn't do much since his debut in Ninja in the Dragon's Den.

Needless to say, Ng felt that Conan Lee could have been a much bigger star had he let Ng develop him.

AlbertV

11-25-2007, 01:19 AM

will91XingYu

11-25-2007, 12:20 PM

Conan Lee had to stop making films as well due to a massive injuy making Tiger on Beat 2, where he jumps to a lampost but misses and falls on the floor., i think he broke one of his legs and head injury's i think.

Endsang

11-25-2007, 12:38 PM

Yeah that clip is on youtube labelled as "stunt gone wrong" or something. I think the whole movie production was halted until he had recovered. I can't really see how that stunt could have ended any other way.. it's simply insane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Fkg97_ZXs

Guess that's the kind of shit that happens when you don't take the necessary precautions.

AlbertV

11-25-2007, 03:03 PM

I read somewhere that Ridley Tsui, the film's stunt coordinator, wanted to use a double for that stunt, but Conan insisted on doing the stunt himself, then we all know what happened.

I did like Conan's cameo as Jet Li's brother in Lethal Weapon 4 and he was the fight choreographer for the Eddie Griffin comedy Undercover Brother.

Tosh

11-25-2007, 04:14 PM

Wow that fall is nuts:eek:, he's lucky he didn't break his neck.

Sifu

11-25-2007, 06:15 PM

That must've left his head ringing!

By the way, you know you can do this instead of just linking it!

:cool:

The stunt:

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Iron_Jinon

12-14-2007, 01:00 AM

dude in Operation Scorpio has pretty sick kicks too:eek:

Morgoth Bauglir

12-14-2007, 03:33 AM

dude in Operation Scorpio has pretty sick kicks too:eek:

Check this out- http://youtube.com/watch?v=X3vxh26PA6I

Iron_Jinon

12-14-2007, 03:41 AM

:eek:the kicking combination he performs at 1.55,never seen such before:D

garmund

12-14-2007, 03:59 AM

You guys really know your stuff.

Maybe you can watch the video I posted in this thread (http://www.kungfucinema.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4129) and name the films!

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Endsang

12-14-2007, 04:42 AM

Check this out- http://youtube.com/watch?v=X3vxh26PA6I

That's from the special features on the HKL release of Operation Scorpio, right?

Kim Won Jin is incredibly talented, and he does some stuff I've never seen anyone else do. The move at 1:25 is awesome.

Chinatown Kid

12-14-2007, 08:13 AM

I can't understand why filmmakers, especially in HK, haven't utilized Kim's talents more than they have. Haven't seen him in anything new in a long time and that's a shame, he is one of the best kickers to ever grace the screen. :(

Morgoth Bauglir

12-14-2007, 08:22 AM

Maybe he had an injury? You are right it is a shame.

AlbertV

12-14-2007, 11:53 AM

I heard he overdid it and he ended up getting so worn out from HK films that he needed a break. He was seen in a nice kicking performance in China Strike Force, where he even spoke a little English.

Kim today is of course, an action choreographer in Korea, with the My Wife is a Gangster trilogy.

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Stephen Tung Wei is a nice kicker as well. He went kick for kick and even looked better against John Liu in Mars' Villa as is Tiger Yang. He was great as the superkicking henchman in Warriors Two.

Tantheman

12-17-2007, 11:43 PM

Im sure in the earlier posts there has been mention of Tan Tao Liang, but my admiration needs to be spoken of! His combination kicking is unmatched apart from Hwang Jang Lee, and he is not repetitive like John Liu. Also just for his ability to keep his leg in the air. . . I could go on. But in my opinion the best action Ive seen from him is in the movie Revenge of the Shaolin Master, wherein he is choreographed by Yuen Woo Ping and Yuen Cheung YAn! This has to be seen to be believed. Every kick and intricate piece of choreography showcases his abilities to the utmost, and his hand techniques are the best he has done. check out the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYOhrBW_QrE

Also this recent interview is the bomb!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pbk6IIkLng

Morgoth Bauglir

12-18-2007, 01:39 AM

Damn! I am more amazed every time I see that interview. Tan's students can freaking kick.

AlbertV

12-18-2007, 01:49 AM

Yeah, that interview was from 1993-1994 in the documentary Top Fighter. The first of his students who throws that amazing kicking combination is martial arts champion Jason Han. I was going through some of my MA magazines and he has done some instructional tapes as well.

Righteous Master

12-18-2007, 02:39 AM

Wow, this is a great question. I guess I would have to say Yuen Biao and Bruce Lee. Both of these guys are fierce kickers.

theportlykicker

12-18-2007, 03:39 AM

Wow, this is a great question. I guess I would have to say Yuen Biao and Bruce Lee. Both of these guys are fierce kickers.

Yuen Biao had nice form and great athleticism, but "fierce" he most definitely was not.

will91XingYu

12-18-2007, 08:07 PM

Yuen Biao showed off kicks that people like Hwang Jang Lee and Tan Tao Liang could only dream of sometimes, because he could incorperate his great gymnastic skills to his kicks. Billy Chong is an amazing kicker, just watched him in Super Power when he's showing off his natural boxing!:D

AlbertV

12-19-2007, 12:43 AM

Perfect example of Yuen doing Tan-like kicks: Knockabout

Carl Scott was a pretty good kicker as well. He pulled off some nice kicks in Sun Dragon.

Jonathan Ke Quan did some nice kicks in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Breathing Fire. To think, he studied TKD under Philip Tan, then Tan Tao-Liang. Always wondered what happened to Jonathan's co-star from the latter, Eddie Saavedra. He was a good TKD artist as well.
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Tantheman

12-21-2007, 12:39 AM

I just watched Cheetah On Fire and I would say Michael Woods has claims as the bulkiest superkicker ever! Check out his signature double kick (also performed sweetly in Tiger Cage 2) and sidekicks. The power behind em is immense

Sifu

12-23-2007, 06:22 AM

Painful to imagine getting hit by!

Endsang

12-24-2007, 08:41 PM

I thought Yuen Wah threw some decent kicks in Coward Bastard, against Wang Lung Wei.

SimonMW

01-06-2008, 10:53 PM

Hwang Jang Lee and Leung Siu Lung. Unbeatable for kicks.

John Liu I don't like. He's very limited, and his actual technique is all over the place. When he does spin kicks he doesn't even look where he is kicking!

That said, his best films are when he has to face off against Hwang Jang Lee. He simply has to raise his game.

Someone who is underrated is Roy Horan. That guys kicks are very similar to Hwang Jang Lee in terms of how they look. Which isn't a surprise as he was taught by him.

Chinatown Kid

01-07-2008, 10:13 AM

One guy that really gave a great kicking performance was Ken Lo in Drunken Master 2, sadly he never seemed to rise to this level again and seems to have vanished from the scene today. I wonder what ever happened to him?

Morgoth Bauglir

01-07-2008, 10:23 AM

He's been in at least 3 movies per year for the last 6 or 7 years, but for some reason he doesn't get to do fight scenes anymore. He fought a bit in some horrible Steven Seagal movie a few years ago, but that's all I can remember as far as fight scenes go.

Chinatown Kid

01-07-2008, 10:34 AM

Yeah I guess that's why I haven't really noticed him in anything for so long, seems like such a waste that filmakers didn't let him show off his kicks more. Lo vs Billy Chow would have been a great match-up as both come from kickboxing backgrounds and were tough, I'm sure they could have come up with a brutal, hardhitting fight scene.

Morgoth Bauglir

01-07-2008, 10:39 AM

They fight in the beginning of Kickboxer's Tears. It looks like they are just lightly sparring, but it is still a good fight and much more realistic than most kickboxing matches that take place in movies. Its pretty amazing how long they go without a cut. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSiLseqKdxw

Chinatown Kid

01-07-2008, 10:44 AM

Cool, thanks for that clip Morgoth. I had never saw this flick before. :)

Morgoth Bauglir

01-07-2008, 12:28 PM

Its a pretty good movie. Worth watching, but only for the fights, and all of those are on youtube.

AlbertV

01-07-2008, 11:52 PM

I have the movie on video. It's one of my favorites, mainly because of the fights. Plus, Yukari Oshima kills her real husband (at the time) Mark Cheng in one scene.

Plus, it's nice to see Gabriel "Turtle" Wong in a more serious role as Ken's trainer Quy. Wong usually appeared in Stephen Chow comedies in the 90's.

Morgoth Bauglir

01-08-2008, 10:36 AM

Yeah Gabriel Wong was good in Kickboxer's Tears. He gave me a few good laughs.

SimonMW

01-09-2008, 02:49 AM

He fought a bit in some horrible Steven Seagal movie a few years ago, but that's all I can remember as far as fight scenes go.

He also had a sort of short rematch with Jackie Chan in The Myth.

Actually regarding that film there were some neat fights in there. And they could have had really good one on one fight. But they went the silly special effect route instead.

chopperusa1

01-09-2008, 02:54 AM

what's the name of the kicker at the end of "the young master?"

WhiteTiger1

01-09-2008, 04:00 AM

what's the name of the kicker at the end of "the young master?"
Biao Yuen or maybe Pei Wei have to watch again to know for sure...

Morgoth Bauglir

01-09-2008, 04:05 AM

Whang In-sik. Same guy Jackie fights at the end of Dragon Lord.

WhiteTiger1

01-09-2008, 04:11 AM

Whang In-sik. Same guy Jackie fights at the end of Dragon Lord.
I should of watched it first. I knew they played on the movie, just have not watched in a while. I should of researched the question first..
I have my dah hat on!!:o

Morgoth Bauglir

01-09-2008, 04:23 AM

Its my favorite Jackie movie of all time so I kinda know a lot about it. :D

tai_shin_mun

02-03-2008, 05:42 AM

I think there is not best.John Liu,tan tao liang,ca sa fa,kwon young moon and hwang jang lee seems all very good.
However when it comes best kicker in movies nobody is better than hwang jang lee.
I did read f cynthia rothrock told in interview hwang did not pull his kicks and maybe jackie felt them too..

Coliseum1972

02-03-2008, 07:19 AM

What's the movie where a pre-fame Jackie Chan plays a blacksmith , the main guy in it has some decent kicks ?

Morgoth Bauglir

02-03-2008, 09:00 AM

hmmm, maybe you are thinking of John Woo's Hand of Death? http://youtube.com/watch?v=4zm7vWPVUUw I can't remember if he plays a blacksmith.

Chinatown Kid

02-03-2008, 11:27 AM

Yeah Morgoth he is talking about Tan Tao Liang, who starred in Hand of Death. Tan is more than a decent kicker, he is up there with the best of them no doubt.:)

Morgoth Bauglir

02-03-2008, 11:51 AM

They don't call him flashlegs for nothin

AlbertV

02-04-2008, 10:47 PM

I did read f cynthia rothrock told in interview hwang did not pull his kicks and maybe jackie felt them too..

Jackie did feel it. In Snake in the Eagle's Shadow, Hwang accidentally kicked Jackie's tooth out. I also heard that Hwang almost didn't get the role in the movie because they weren't going to give him his visa. Ng See-Yuen told the local authorities, "Get me someone local who can kick like him and I will accept it." Obviously, Hwang got his visa :)

There was rumors that Hwang was padded in his fight against Cynthia in No Retreat, No Surrender 2: Raging Thunder but after seeing Hwang in Street Soldiers where he fights another kicker, Jun Chong, Hwang had bulked up a bit.

Endsang

02-05-2008, 02:38 AM

I guess that is why Jackie allegedly preferred working with Wang In-Sik rather than HJL after he kicked his tooth out. Maybe he had better control of his leg power, or maybe Jackie just took it personal. :)

ekisha

08-04-2008, 11:51 AM

John Liu and Sun Chien.
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AlbertV

08-04-2008, 02:15 PM

I'm going to consider Nicholas Tse a superkicker because he has trained hard for his films and aside from Dragon Tiger Gate, he pulled off some nice kicks in Invisible Target, especially when he holds a thug against the wall with his leg and get's Jaycee's police ID back and looks at it with his leg still against the thug.

Chinatown Kid

08-06-2008, 01:09 AM

I wish Hwang and Tan Tao Liang would have been paired up together in a movie in their prime, as far as I know these two legends have never shared the screen together. Another thing that would have been interesting to see would be Tan against Liu, that would have been a right leg(Liu) and left leg(Tan) showdown!

AlbertV

08-06-2008, 02:07 AM

I totally agree CK. Those would've been hellacious battles. We should come up with a Fantasy Superkicker Battle Royale. Pit the best against each other

Hwang, Tan, Liu, Casanova, Won-Jin, Lo...something like that.

Would be awesome!!!

Kwok Choi

08-18-2008, 01:53 AM

Not Forgetting:

Michelle Yeoh
Moon Lee
Cynthia Rothrock
Karen Sheppard
Yukari Oshima
Yang Pan Pan
Hsia Kuan Li
Hsu Feng
Angela Mao
Chia Ling
Shang Kwan Ling Feng
plus the female ace kicker in Five Superfighters

and these guys are not too bad when they are in the mood
Minute Fong
Kuan Feng
Sammo Hung
Wang Tao
Kao Fei
Billy Blanks
Roger Paschy
Keith Vitali
Benny The Jet Urquidez
Mark Dacascus
Robin Shou
Jean Claude Van Damme
Chuck Norris
Bolo

Endsang

08-18-2008, 01:40 PM

plus the female ace kicker in Five Superfighters

That would be Wong Mei Mei. ;)

Chinatown Kid

08-18-2008, 11:07 PM

Bruce Liang's brother that played her student was a great kicker too, it's a shame he never really got enough roles that showcased his talents.

AlbertV

08-19-2008, 03:00 AM

That's true, but he did do well as an action choreographer. I thought Tony Leung Siu-Hung did some excellent work in Five Superfighters, his cameo in Duel of the Seven Tigers (against Sharon Yeung Pan-Pan), The 36 Crazy Fists, and he did get his butt kicked by Sammo in Enter the Fat Dragon for playing a Bruce Lee clone?!

The Dragon

08-19-2008, 03:14 AM

... and he did get his butt kicked by Sammo in Enter the Fat Dragon for playing a Bruce Lee clone?!

XD!!!! Awesome.

AlbertV

08-19-2008, 03:22 AM

Another female badass kicker in my opinion is Linda Lin Ying. She played Jackie Chan's auntie in Drunken Master. She was amazingly flexible and her fight against Hwang Jang-Lee in Lackey and the Lady Tiger was pretty wicked IMO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgSleCGO4UQ&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgSleCGO4UQ&feature=related

Morgoth Bauglir

08-19-2008, 05:44 AM

[QUOTE=AlbertV;64095]Another female badass kicker in my opinion is Linda Lin Ying. She played Jackie Chan's auntie in Drunken Master. She was amazingly flexible and her fight against Hwang Jang-Lee in Lackey and the Lady Tiger was pretty wicked IMO:

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She is awesome!! I need to see Lackey and the Lady Tiger.

One guy I don't think has been mentioned is Cheung Lik. He delivers good kicks in pretty much every movie I see him in. And that guy he fights at the end of 10 Magnificent Killers is good too. The only other movie I have seen him in was Four Shaolin Challengers where he plays one of the villain's 4 hired fighters. Not nearly as good of a role as he had in 10 Magnificent Killers!

Chinatown Kid

08-21-2008, 12:39 AM

I agree, Cheung Nik was throwing some nifty chain roundhouse kicks in the finale of 10MK, the dude he fought was a nice kicker too and it's a shame he wasn't in more films showing his boot skills off. Nik's role in that film was of an anti-hero and he was very amoral and dubious, he and his teacher were all about collecting the money on the bounties of their opponents. Watching them take on the 10 killers was pretty good and then had the twist ending. Actor Fong Yeh directed this with all the action shot outdoors and you can spot some telophone poles in the background of what is supposed to be ancient China, I think Fong was trained in Muay Thai. Bolo does his lookway style in this and his dubbed English voice makes him sound like he's got a potatoe stuck in his throat. :)

Morgoth Bauglir

08-21-2008, 03:16 AM

Chinatown Kid

08-22-2008, 01:23 AM

Good thoughts Chinatown Kid! You know I love this movie. What do you think, is it your favorite role from Cheung Lik? I can't think of a better one, though I have not seen SUper Kung Fu Kid. I've heard that is really good.

Yes Morgoth I believe this film features Cheung at his best, the fights in this flick were pretty fast paced. I've seen Super Kung Fu Kid and it's not as good imo, more along the lines of The Big Risk and Japanese Connection with the more basher style kind of fights. I do feel Lik always delivered a decent fighting performance in his roles and think he's one of the underated guys in the genre. :)

ekisha

08-22-2008, 10:47 AM

Hey,kf fans.I'm sorry for offtop,but i began to argue on other forums about kickers.What do you think about this question??Who is better kicker Yuen Biao or Jackie Chan???I bet Biao,but i can't prove anything because my limited english on't let me do it.I compared their all kicks and from what i see Biao is better(in my opinion).I know Jackie is also good but not that great.
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Endsang

08-22-2008, 11:37 AM

Yuen Biao is definately more flexible and versatile when it comes to the kicks. Considering his tae kwon do training and how to combine his kicks with astonishing acrobatics, I'd say he's the better kicker. Jackie Chan's kicks do look a bit more powerful though, and are executed more realistically.

Chinatown Kid

08-22-2008, 09:51 PM

Yuen's got better form and is more versatile with his kicks, his kicks in Knockabout rival Tan Tao Liang.

Endsang

08-22-2008, 10:14 PM

Yuen's got better form and is more versatile with his kicks, his kicks in Knockabout rival Tan Tao Liang.

As you probably know, Yuen Biao learned from him so his kicks SHOULD be the real deal. :D

WalkOn

08-23-2008, 03:50 AM

I'm a huge fan of the kickers. Here's my list. I'm sure I left out a few. lmk who should be on.

Alexander Lo Rei
Angela Mao
Benny Chan
Benny Urquidez
Billy Blanks
Billy Chong
Billy Chow
Blackie Ko Sho Liang
Bong Soo Han
Brad Allen
Bruce Lee
Bruce Liang
Carl Scott
Casanova Wong
Chan Shang
Chuck Jeffreys
Collin Chou
Cynthia Rothrock
Daniel Bernhardt
Dick Wei
Donnie Yen
Ernie Reyes, Jr.
Ernie Reyes, Sr
Fan Siu Wong
Gary Daniels
George Chung
Han Ying
Hector Echavarria
Hiroyuki Sanada
Hsian Kuang Li
James Lew
Jerry Trimble, Jr.
Jhoon Rhee
Jing Wu
John Liu Chung Liang
John Salvetti
Kane Kosugi
Karen Shepherd
Keith Hirabayashi
Keith Vitali
Ken Lo
Kim Won Jin
Kwan Young Moon
Loren Avedon
Mark Dacascos
Micheal Blanks
Michelle Yeoh/Khan
Nik Cheung
Olivier Gruner
Peter Cunningham
Philip Rhee
Ron Van Clief
Simon Rhee
Sun Chien
Tan Tao Liang
Tiger Yang
Tony Jaa
Tony Leung Siu Hung
Tung Wei
Van Damme
Wang Jang Lee
Whang Ing Sik
Yasuaki Kurata
Yuen Biao
Yukari Oshima

Kwok Choi, no dissrespect, but as much as Kao Fei (Philip Ko) is a top ten all time kung fu actor favorite of mine, I don't see him as a good kicker! What movie or sceen of his would you define as a super kicking moment?

I like rest of your list. Wang Tao doesn't get credit for his kicks. He's one of the more balanced (hands, feet =) screen fighters.

Morgoth Bauglir

08-23-2008, 04:08 AM

Very nice list! I agree with the previous poster Kwok Choi that Phillip Ko can kick pretty good when he wants to. Duel of the 7 Tigers, Iron Dragon Strikes Back and Fearless Dragons come to mind. The thing with Phillip Ko is that kicking just doesn't fit into the unique style of fighting that you usually see him performing.

WalkOn

08-23-2008, 10:56 PM

Thanks for the info, Morgoth. You make a good point. Although he was doubled in Fearless Dragons (2 on the Road) for his best kicking moment in that film. I was so disapppointed when I realized it wasn't him kicking against Leung Kar Yan in the the bedroom fight for gold coins. Philip Ko has a great presence on film. He can kick well, but I just didn't think of him as a "Super Kicker". Again, he's one of my favorites. All good. ;)

AlbertV

08-24-2008, 01:56 AM

I'm also impressed with Britkicker Mike Lambert. I love his short fight against Jet Li in Black Mask and their rematch in Unleashed. The way he switches legs and I saw a demo reel of his where he pulled off a nicely executed triple kick like Jackie Chan did in City Hunter against Richard Norton. He did a lot of HK films in the 90's and recently worked as the fight choreographer of The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor.

I also like J.J. Perry, yes THAT J.J. Perry. If you want to see some of his best fighting work in front of the cameras, he played one of the Kumite fighters in Bloodsport 3. I was impressed with his kicking skills in his first fight of the movie. And with his resume as fight choreographer, in the immortal words of Stan Lee..."'Nuff Said" :)

Chinatown Kid

08-24-2008, 02:35 AM

Who was that guy that Jackie fought on the roof in Who Am I? He had some really nice flexible kicks, from what I heard he had some trouble with Jackie's style of choreography though.

AlbertV

08-24-2008, 02:58 AM

That's Ron Smoorenburg from Holland. He did have trouble with Jackie's choreography. If you can get your hands on it, see Jackie Chan: My Stunts. It's shown!!! He was doubled by Andy Cheng and Nicky Li in the film. He currently is working in Thailand. He was in Tom Yum Goong and is supposed to be the lead baddie in Michael B's The Sanctuary, formerly known as Dead End.

WalkOn

08-24-2008, 04:57 AM

I thought Ron was doubled by Brad Allen in Who Am I? I have My Stunts and My Story. Great documentaries!

rdenn

08-24-2008, 10:42 AM

has Chui Jing Yat been mentioned http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDZ0_MZdG1o

AlbertV

08-24-2008, 12:00 PM

I knew Brad was too WalkOn...I was kind of tired when I wrote the post. Good job!!!

Tsui Jing-Yat has been mentioned...I thought he was great as Eagle Han's henchman in Shaolin Drunken Monk and Agnes Aurelio's hitman in License to Steal.

Kwok Choi

08-24-2008, 07:18 PM

Thanks Morgoth and Kao Fei also kicks well in the low budget modern day actioners he produced and he is fantastic in Mercenaries From Hong Kong.

WalkOn

08-24-2008, 09:13 PM

I never saw his work from the Philippines nor Mercenaries From Hong Kong.
I'll check them out, thanks!

Chinatown Kid

08-25-2008, 01:04 AM

You know, Ken Lo's performance in the finale of Drunken Master 2 was awesome and from that one preformance he became a superkicker in my book. The funny thing is he never seemed to rise to this level in any other film I saw him in, I wonder why?

Endsang

08-25-2008, 01:32 PM

Perhaps he was never given the same opportunity as in DM2. It's kind of interesting how a martial arts actor can have multiple talents you'll never see because they have to stick with a character script and choreography. Especially when it comes villains, as they rarely outshine the good guy.
Check out Wang Li in some venoms flicks for instance. He is an amazing acrobat, but rarely get to show it off when fighting with or next to Kuo Chui/Chiang Sheng/Lu Feng, because it's mainly their limelight. Just from his very short fight in Shaolin Rescuers, you can see what this guy truly is capable of. Not complaining though, but it seems like there are several other actors as well who has to downplay their action performance due to their part in the movie.

Chinatown Kid

08-26-2008, 01:26 AM

Kuo Chui really had some great kicks, he matched Sun Chien in the finale of KWTGA kick for kick, his kicking skills were never really exploited enough because of doing the acrobatic routine with his co-stars so much imo.

Kwok Choi

08-26-2008, 09:48 AM

Has anyone mentioned Fu Sheng? Hmmmmm....this is a mixed bag but I would like to admit that overall he ain't bad in the kicking department.

AlbertV

08-27-2008, 01:55 AM

Good point Kwok Choi. He did a have a pretty good split kick like the one he executed in Chinatown Kid.

I thought of another name. Tatsuya Matsui is a pretty good kicker. He showed some nice kicks in Lucky Stars Go Places and also played the main heavy in Michelle Yeoh's Magnificent Warriors. Last I heard he was working in the Philippines.

Stephen Chow is another good kicker. Sure Kung Fu Hustle may have had the wirework, but seeing Fist of Fury 1991 and Fight Back to School, Stephen's a pretty good kicker himself, can be pretty flexible but definitely has a nice round kick.

Chinatown Kid

08-27-2008, 02:02 AM

How about Wilson Tong as the Foot Doctor in The Victim? He wasn't much of a high kicker but his low kicks and footwork were outta sight!

Jstn

08-27-2008, 04:50 AM

How about Wilson Tong as the Foot Doctor in The Victim? He wasn't much of a high kicker but his low kicks and footwork were outta sight!

Yeah, good call on that one, amazing footwork in that movie by Tong!!

Kwok Choi

08-27-2008, 11:00 AM

Yeah AlbertV I was thinking of Stephen Chow as well sans the major wire work and would admit his kicks were cool in King Of Beggars

vengeanceofhumanlanterns

08-29-2008, 04:40 PM

Who's the guy playing the thai kicker in Master Of The Flying Guillotine? That guy was really very good. I think I've seen him in other films but I'm not too sure.

TibetanWhiteCrane

08-29-2008, 05:02 PM

Yeah, Sham Chin Bo... he was in a lot of movies!

AlbertV

08-30-2008, 01:05 AM

Yeah, I liked Sham's fight scene in Secret Rivals Part II. He played the youngest brother of Wang Tao's character from the original.

Jingangchan

09-27-2008, 02:59 AM

OK everyone...Now I'm going to add in my 2 cents...but, first let's look at how to judge a great kicker:

A. Extension: This is largely self explanitory. The kicker should have good flexibility and extension in his/her kicks

B. Power/Strength: To the kicks seem devastating? Do they look like they hurt?

C. Accuracy/control. Do the kicks hit their targets? Can the stylist consitently reproduce crisp and sound techniques?

D. Variety: Does the Kicker rely on just a few good kicks or does s/he have a wide arsenal of moves?

E. Integration: Can and does the kicker effectively unite his/her kicking techniques with other techniques such as hand and/or weapon techniques?

F. Speed

G. Smoothness

H. Consistency: Can the stylist reliably reproduce excellent techniques?

I. Explosiveness

J. Telegraphing: Does the stylist give away his intentions to kick by moving his body in a way giving what king of kick is coming?

Now...while I agree with most of the nominees I've seen thus far, let me add a few more:

1. Chui Jing-Yat. One of the most overlooked kickers out there. His flexibility, smoothness, integration and kicking variety is some of the best out there. He is one of the best.

2. Hsia Kuang Li. The only issue I have with her is consistency. However, her flexibility is maybe the best out there...her explosiveness is excellent...her variety is excellent...heck...you saw the leg fighters!

3. Sit Chi Lin. Excellent variety and control...I want to see more of her...

4. James Lew. Haven't seen much of him but, what I have seen was excellent.

5. Chia Ling and Jackie Chan: These are special cases. These two were so good at all other skills (weapons, hand techniques, acrobatics, etc.) that they normally didn't rely on great kicks...when they did kick however, they were excellent. They integrated their kicks with other movements to the point they came off as just "balanced" stylists. While not the best, I do believe had they wanted to, they could have been top boot masters.

Now, I'll comment on some of the already mentioned stylists and points.

Basically Wong Cheng Li/Huang Jang Lee is the best kicker out there. The guy was instructor to Korean special forces and the WTF judged him as the world's best kicker. When squared off against other top kickers who at first seem to be good competition, he always shows himself to be the better kicker by a noticeable margin (e.g. HJL vs. Kwong Young Moon or HJL vs. Liu Chung Liang). What makes HJL the top kicker he is however is his amazing ability at jump kicking. No telegraphing, speed, power and variety.

Donnie Yen is one of the best kickers ever to grace the screen. His kick faking skill and speed has not been seen since the likes of Bruce Lee. His variety is virtually unmatched. Throw in frightening power, integration and explosiveness and you have arguably the best kicker around.

Tan Tao Liang-if you watch him closely-really only uses about 3 kicks. The thing is that he uses them in a myriad of combinations and with a precision that is pretty much unmatched. He makes it seem like he uses hundreds of kicks when his variety is actually not that high. He is better than Liu chung Liang though who was his student.

Han Ying is one of the best kickers period. His variety is nearly unmatched and is another kicker I often compare to HJL. He integrates his kicks with other techniques very well and unlike some of the other leg fighters mentioned, can go for extended amounts of time without even using leg techniques and not seem awkward.

Some more of my favorites:
Phillip Cheung
Elton Chong
Wong Lung
Natassia Chan
Billy Chong
Kieth Cooke
Cynthia Rothrock
Whang Ing Sik
Ka Sa Fa
Tiger Yang
Bruce Liang
Lo Jui

Jingangchan

09-27-2008, 03:03 AM

OK everyone...Now I'm going to add in my 2 cents...but, first let's look at how to judge a great kicker:

A. Extension: This is largely self explanitory. The kicker should have good flexibility and extension in his/her kicks

B. Power/Strength: To the kicks seem devastating? Do they look like they hurt?

C. Accuracy/control. Do the kicks hit their targets? Can the stylist consitently reproduce crisp and sound techniques?

D. Variety: Does the Kicker rely on just a few good kicks or does s/he have a wide arsenal of moves?

E. Integration: Can and does the kicker effectively unite his/her kicking techniques with other techniques such as hand and/or weapon techniques?

F. Speed

G. Smoothness

H. Consistency: Can the stylist reliably reproduce excellent techniques?

I. Explosiveness

J. Telegraphing: Does the stylist give away his intentions to kick by moving his body in a way giving away what kind of kick is coming?

Now...while I agree with most of the nominees I've seen thus far, let me add a few more:

1. Chui Jing-Yat. One of the most overlooked kickers out there. His flexibility, smoothness, integration and kicking variety is some of the best out there. He is one of the best.

2. Hsia Kuang Li. The only issue I have with her is consistency. However, her flexibility is maybe the best out there...her explosiveness is excellent...her variety is excellent...heck...you saw the leg fighters!

3. Sit Chi Lin. Excellent variety and control...I want to see more of her...

4. James Lew. Haven't seen much of him but, what I have seen was excellent.

5. Chia Ling and Jackie Chan: These are special cases. These two were so good at all other skills (weapons, hand techniques, acrobatics, etc.) that they normally didn't rely on great kicks...when they did kick however, they were excellent. They integrated their kicks with other movements to the point they came off as just "balanced" stylists. While not the best, I do believe had they wanted to, they could have been top boot masters.

Now, I'll comment on some of the already mentioned stylists and points.

Basically Wong Cheng Li/Huang Jang Lee is the best kicker out there. The guy was instructor to Korean special forces and the WTF judged him as the world's best kicker. When squared off against other top kickers who at first seem to be good competition, he always shows himself to be the better kicker by a noticeable margin (e.g. HJL vs. Kwong Young Moon or HJL vs. Liu Chung Liang). What makes HJL the top kicker he is however is his amazing ability at jump kicking. No telegraphing, speed, power and variety.

Donnie Yen is one of the best kickers ever to grace the screen. His kick faking skill and speed has not been seen since the likes of Bruce Lee. His variety is virtually unmatched. Throw in frightening power, integration and explosiveness and you have arguably the best kicker around.

Tan Tao Liang-if you watch him closely-really only uses about 3 kicks. The thing is that he uses them in a myriad of combinations and with a precision that is pretty much unmatched. He makes it seem like he uses hundreds of kicks when his variety is actually not that high. He is better than Liu chung Liang though who was his student.

Han Ying is one of the best kickers period. His variety is nearly unmatched and is another kicker I often compare to HJL. He integrates his kicks with other techniques very well and unlike some of the other leg fighters mentioned, can go for extended amounts of time without even using leg techniques and not seem awkward.

Some more of my favorites:
Phillip Cheung
Elton Chong
Wong Lung
Natassia Chan
Billy Chong
Kieth Cooke
Cynthia Rothrock
Whang Ing Sik
Ka Sa Fa
Tiger Yang
Bruce Liang
Lo Jui

Morgoth Bauglir

09-27-2008, 03:45 AM

Eagle Han is one of my favorite kickers, but I just don't get that feeling that he can do anything with those legs. That's the way I feel when watching Hwang Jang Lee. It's like he can do anything. he repeats a lot of kicks, but he seems to always be pulling out something new. Eagle Han though is a great kicker. no doubt about it.

I don't think Chang Yi Tao has been mentioned. He puts in some great work in Inheritor of Kung Fu-

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EDIT- my bad, I just noticed you mentioned Chang Yi Tao aka Phillip Cheung aka Bruce Lai:p

Chinatown Kid

09-27-2008, 02:28 PM

The Dragon

09-27-2008, 03:11 PM

Is this about who's best onscreen, or who's Martial prowess is best displayed? Sometimes, it may come down to a choreographers demands from the artist hired. For instance, Ho Chung Tao looks horrible in a great number of films, then in a few others, (The Last Strike, Bruce Lee:True Story,The Chinese Stuntman), he looked pretty decent. If the ability is there, then it's the choreographer's duty to properly exploit the talent. You agree?

Jingangchan

09-27-2008, 07:29 PM

Eagle Han is one of my favorite kickers, but I just don't get that feeling that he can do anything with those legs.

Watch Han Ying in movies like Shaolin Drunk Monkey and Death duel of Kung Fu. He jump kicks almost as well as WChL/HJL but, actually has a bit larger variety of kicks.

That's the way I feel when watching Hwang Jang Lee. It's like he can do anything. he repeats a lot of kicks, but he seems to always be pulling out something new. Eagle Han though is a great kicker. no doubt about it.

I don't think Chang Yi Tao has been mentioned. He puts in some great work in Inheritor of Kung Fu-

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EDIT- my bad, I just noticed you mentioned Chang Yi Tao aka Phillip Cheung aka Bruce Lai:p Yeah, he was pretty good and actually had a short exchange with Tan Tao Liang in one movie.

Jingangchan

09-27-2008, 08:03 PM

It's true Tan Tao Liang doesn't do a wide variety of kicks but what he does do is of high quality with awesome form and he's also famous for the hopping kicks without putting his leg back down like Bill Wallace is famous for. Tan mostly throws a sidekick, roundhouse, hook, and spinning hook but does throw front kicks occasionally as well. Sun Chien is another that doesn't trow a wide variety but what he does is of high quality. Casanova has some of the most powerful looking kicks, his spinning crescent kick is the best in the business imo. The chick from the Leg Fighters has awesome flexibility but looks like she's lacking in the power department. HJL is widely considered the best not only because of his variety and power but also his ability to use both right and left legs equally well where as people like Tan(left) and John Liu(right) tend to favor one leg over another. I'm not familiar with Chui Jing-Yat, what was he in? Being a TKD stylist I love all the kickers though! :)

A lot of the HK stars could hop on one leg while kicking but, TTL was probably the best at it. One should keep in mind how the stylist is built though too. Really short people like TTL have an advantage because it's easier for them to learn control when they have shorter legs. This makes them look even more awesome when kicking. The disadvantage is that shorter legs means they don't get the benefits of attacking from long range like a tall guy would get. Also, like I said, TTL only uses about 3 kicks and you cited them exactly above-hook, roundhouse and sidekick. The rest are just variations of those 3. For example you mentioned spinning hook which is just a hook with a spin. A jump round house and flying sidekick are two other examples of variations on basic kicks. These are the only techniques TTL needs considering how good he is with them.

Ka Sa Fa's spinning crescent kick is probably the best out there...I have to agree with that off hand.

Hsia Kuang Li (Leg Fighters) does look like she lacks power sometimes but, that is a consistency issue. I've seen her throw a powerful looking roundhouse only to follow up with another that didn't seem so powerful. I know she can do it but, she needs to be consistent. In the Woman Avenger however, she looked like her power was more consistent but, control was more in question. She's got power...loads of it...it's just that if you don't put that power into every kick then what use is it? Another thing about her is she performes certain "specialty" kicks better than about anyone...this is partly what carves her a niche in the bootmaster/mistress HOF.

Chui Jing Yat was the Villain in beauty investigators. He was also in Deadly Shaolin Long Fist, Invincible Obsessed Fighter and more.

I think Donnie Yen probably has the best (jump) spinning side kick. TTL and Wong Lung I think are tied for the best hookkick. The best pop up (multiple) jump kick goes to Wang Tao. The best pop up single jumpkick goes to Bruce Lee. The best flying side-kick goes to TTL. The best multiple flying side kick goes to HJL. The best "machine gun kick" is a tie between Han Ying, Donnie Yen and TTL. Best Butterfly kick goes to Li Yi Min. The best "Over the shoulder" Kick goes to Hsia Kuang Li. The best behind the back kick (e.g. "Balancing like a Swallow") goes to her too. The best side and round kicks go to TTL. The Best front kick goes to Hsia Kuang Li and Lo Mang (No, I did not make a mistake here). The best overall leg control is hard to say...TTL...Donnie Yen...Liu Chung Liang...Chui Jing Yat...Han Ying...Sit Chi Lin maybe...hard to say.

Jingangchan

09-27-2008, 08:04 PM

Morgoth Bauglir

09-27-2008, 11:22 PM

Watch Han Ying in movies like Shaolin Drunk Monkey and Death duel of Kung Fu. He jump kicks almost as well as WChL/HJL but, actually has a bit larger variety of kicks.

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I can't agree to that. Unless you are saying he has a bigger variety of jumping kicks. THen I would give you a maybe. But overall I have seen more variety from Hwang. Trust me I have seen Shaolin Drunk Monkey and death Duel way too many times:D

Chinatown Kid

09-28-2008, 03:55 AM

A lot of the HK stars could hop on one leg while kicking but, TTL was probably the best at it. One should keep in mind how the stylist is built though too. Really short people like TTL have an advantage because it's easier for them to learn control when they have shorter legs. This makes them look even more awesome when kicking. The disadvantage is that shorter legs means they don't get the benefits of attacking from long range like a tall guy would get. Also, like I said, TTL only uses about 3 kicks and you cited them exactly above-hook, roundhouse and sidekick. The rest are just variations of those 3. For example you mentioned spinning hook which is just a hook with a spin. A jump round house and flying sidekick are two other examples of variations on basic kicks. These are the only techniques TTL needs considering how good he is with them.

Ka Sa Fa's spinning crescent kick is probably the best out there...I have to agree with that off hand.

Hsia Kuang Li (Leg Fighters) does look like she lacks power sometimes but, that is a consistency issue. I've seen her throw a powerful looking roundhouse only to follow up with another that didn't seem so powerful. I know she can do it but, she needs to be consistent. In the Woman Avenger however, she looked like her power was more consistent but, control was more in question. She's got power...loads of it...it's just that if you don't put that power into every kick then what use is it? Another thing about her is she performes certain "specialty" kicks better than about anyone...this is partly what carves her a niche in the bootmaster/mistress HOF.

Chui Jing Yat was the Villain in beauty investigators. He was also in Deadly Shaolin Long Fist, Invincible Obsessed Fighter and more.

I think Donnie Yen probably has the best (jump) spinning side kick. TTL and Wong Lung I think are tied for the best hookkick. The best pop up (multiple) jump kick goes to Wang Tao. The best pop up single jumpkick goes to Bruce Lee. The best flying side-kick goes to TTL. The best multiple flying side kick goes to HJL. The best "machine gun kick" is a tie between Han Ying, Donnie Yen and TTL. Best Butterfly kick goes to Li Yi Min. The best "Over the shoulder" Kick goes to Hsia Kuang Li. The best behind the back kick (e.g. "Balancing like a Swallow") goes to her too. The best side and round kicks go to TTL. The Best front kick goes to Hsia Kuang Li and Lo Mang (No, I did not make a mistake here). The best overall leg control is hard to say...TTL...Donnie Yen...Liu Chung Liang...Chui Jing Yat...Han Ying...Sit Chi Lin maybe...hard to say.

Let's not forget about Kim Won Jin either, that guy is tops in the kicking department and he can pull off some amazing acrobatics as well. The kicks we use in TKD that I was taught are the front, roundhouse, side, hook, spinning hook, ax, outside inside(reverse cresent kick), inside outside(cresent kick), spinning side kick, donkey kick(back kick), push kick, and butterfly(Tornado) kick. Then of course like you said there are variations to some of these kicks like adding a jumping or spinning angle to them. Please excuse me but I'm curious you seem to know alot about kicking, do you study TKD or some other kick oriented art like Hapkido?

The Dragon

09-28-2008, 01:11 PM

... The best pop up single jumpkick goes to Bruce Lee. ...

I disagree, and don't know what you are referring to when you say "single jumpkick".
Personally, if you want to say what Bruce Lee did best, I would say it was the triple combination kick; SIDEKICK, CRESCENT KICK, ROUNDHOUSE KICK, originally introduced to Mandarin Kung Fu audiences in The Big Boss. It's the scene at the end of the film where he kicks one of Han Yin Kit's baddies into the pool, outside The Boss' home. No one used this combination on film authenticly, before Bruce, and no one does it better.

Justmyopinionhereok?sothanksandthat'sallfornow.:l

Endsang

09-28-2008, 01:51 PM

I disagree, and don't know what you are referring to when you say "single jumpkick".

How can you disagree when you don't know what he's referring to? :p

On another subject, I just finished Mar's Villa again with a struggle.
John Liu is a good kicker, no doubt, but he's got like 4 different kicks he repeats over and over again in every single fight. If you have seen one them, you've basicly seen them all. In the Secret Rivals movies it is more bearable since Wong Tao and Tino Wong balances it out with some more versatile kung fu.

AlbertV

09-28-2008, 10:55 PM

I'm not familiar with Chui Jing-Yat, what was he in?

I first saw Chui Jing-Yat in Shaolin Drunken Monk. He played the #1 henchman to Eagle Han, who fought Gordon Liu and his partner. He did some pretty wicked kicking in that fight scene (Check 2:23 at this youtube scene).
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Then, he blew me away in License to Steal, where he showcased his impressive kicking skills in an all-out garage rumble that featured Joyce Godenzi-Hung, Collin Chou, Yuen Biao, and Billy Chau as well. Chui is the guy in grey fighting a young Collin Chou.
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The Dragon

09-29-2008, 12:27 AM

How can you disagree when you don't know what he's referring to?

Well, if you noticed, I picked a specific comment made by Jingangchan to reply to. I knew at least what I was commenting on by placing his quote before my rebuttal. By pointing out my opinion, I clearly stated not only what I felt Lee was best at, but also what he may have pioneered. Why the sarcasm? I wasn't being a cynic, simply stating what I feel, as so many others do. Pick your sources on decent merit. :l

WalkOn

09-29-2008, 12:50 AM

Jingangchan

09-29-2008, 01:13 AM

I can't agree to that. Unless you are saying he has a bigger variety of jumping kicks. THen I would give you a maybe. But overall I have seen more variety from Hwang. Trust me I have seen Shaolin Drunk Monkey and death Duel way too many times:D

Actually I'm saying the opposite...Eagle Han actually had less variety in jump kicks...his greater variety was in other kinds of kicks...for example, unlike Han Ying, I've never seen HJL perform a butterfly kick.

Jingangchan

09-29-2008, 01:20 AM

Let's not forget about Kim Won Jin either, that guy is tops in the kicking department and he can pull off some amazing acrobatics as well. The kicks we use in TKD that I was taught are the front, roundhouse, side, hook, spinning hook, ax, outside inside(reverse cresent kick), inside outside(cresent kick), spinning side kick, donkey kick(back kick), push kick, and butterfly(Tornado) kick. Then of course like you said there are variations to some of these kicks like adding a jumping or spinning angle to them. Please excuse me but I'm curious you seem to know alot about kicking, do you study TKD or some other kick oriented art like Hapkido?

What movie was Kim Won Jin in?

Actually I've never studied a Korean art. I've had some Kung Fu but, never got beyond the beginning stages. I was actually familiar with kicks before I studied anything.

If you look at Korea it is attached to the region of China that developed a lot of flamboyant kicks (e.g. Tornado kick). Tang soo do basically translates to "way of the Tang hand" which is a reference to the Chinese Tang dynasty. TKD was also heavily influenced by Karate which is one reason why some people call TKD "Korean karate."

Jingangchan

09-29-2008, 01:36 AM

I disagree, and don't know what you are referring to when you say "single jumpkick".
Personally, if you want to say what Bruce Lee did best, I would say it was the triple combination kick; SIDEKICK, CRESCENT KICK, ROUNDHOUSE KICK, originally introduced to Mandarin Kung Fu audiences in The Big Boss. It's the scene at the end of the film where he kicks one of Han Yin Kit's baddies into the pool, outside The Boss' home. No one used this combination on film authenticly, before Bruce, and no one does it better.

Justmyopinionhereok?sothanksandthat'sallfornow.:l

Okay...but, you are talking composite leg attacks, and for that specific combo maybe you are right-I'll have to look at it. If you are talking composite leg attacks then that is another good catagory that I'm sure will illicit a lot of discussion in general.

As for "single jump-kick," what I mean is a jumpkick that includes only one kick as opposed to a jump-kick that includes 2 or 3 leg attacks before the stylist lands. A single jump-kick as opposed to say a double jump-kick.

I still think Bruce Lee's single jump-kick is one of his best techniques...but, of course there are more...

Jingangchan

09-29-2008, 01:40 AM

I first saw Chui Jing-Yat in Shaolin Drunken Monk. He played the #1 henchman to Eagle Han, who fought Gordon Liu and his partner. He did some pretty wicked kicking in that fight scene (Check 2:23 at this youtube scene).
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Then, he blew me away in License to Steal, where he showcased his impressive kicking skills in an all-out garage rumble that featured Joyce Godenzi-Hung, Collin Chou, Yuen Biao, and Billy Chau as well. Chui is the guy in grey fighting a young Collin Chou.
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Chui Jing Yat is maybe the best all around guy to be in HK Cinema. Very overlooked...He's super flexible...great hand and leg techniques...acrobatics...and I've seen him do some great chin na and weapons.

Jingangchan

09-29-2008, 01:46 AM

Nice breakdown, Jingangchan! I appreciate the detailed explanations! I agree with almost everything you say.

IMO, Bruce's greatest kick was skipping thrust side kick. The grace, style and raw power was just amazing! Next I would say was his lighting fast lead leg round kick. Thanks for the kind words...and the thing about Bruce Lee is that pretty much all of his leg techniques were top notch. His "flying" side-kick against Suzuki in the Chinese Connection was one of the greatest of all time.

Chinatown Kid

09-29-2008, 02:16 AM

What movie was Kim Won Jin in?

Actually I've never studied a Korean art. I've had some Kung Fu but, never got beyond the beginning stages. I was actually familiar with kicks before I studied anything.

If you look at Korea it is attached to the region of China that developed a lot of flamboyant kicks (e.g. Tornado kick). Tang soo do basically translates to "way of the Tang hand" which is a reference to the Chinese Tang dynasty. TKD was also heavily influenced by Karate which is one reason why some people call TKD "Korean karate."

Kim Won Jin played Sunny in the film Operation Scorpio aka The Scorpion King opposite Chin Kar Lok and Liu Chia Liang. He also played the waiter assassin in China Strike Force and fought Yuen biao in No Problem 2. He has been in some Korean films like Vindictive Venom as well.

Yes TKD has elements from Shotokan Karate but probably also borrows from some northern styles of Kung Fu with it's strong emphasis on kicks. Tang Soo Do is the same as TKD but has different forms I think, but I have never studied TSD so don't know for sure. Hapkido has the kicks like TKD but has alot of joint locks like Jiujitsu. I have to say though, for someone who's never studied a kicking style you sure seem to be knowledgable about it. :)

Jingangchan

09-29-2008, 02:43 AM

Kim Won Jin played Sunny in the film Operation Scorpio aka The Scorpion King opposite Chin Kar Lok and Liu Chia Liang. He also played the waiter assassin in China Strike Force and fought Yuen biao in No Problem 2. He has been in some Korean films like Vindictive Venom as well.

Yes TKD has elements from Shotokan Karate but probably also borrows from some northern styles of Kung Fu with it's strong emphasis on kicks. Tang Soo Do is the same as TKD but has different forms I think, but I have never studied TSD so don't know for sure. Hapkido has the kicks like TKD but has alot of joint locks like Jiujitsu. I have to say though, for someone who's never studied a kicking style you sure seem to be knowledgable about it. :)

Well, since Karate was largely derived from Kung Fu anyway, I guess it ends up being the same thing. Actually I'd prefer Hap Ki Do to TKD because it's more well rounded/balanced like you said.

Actually, I was in a Tibetan White Crane School for about a year befor it closed down. Technically it uses a lot of high kicks but, I never got that far. I do a lot of reading...pay attention to the good martial arts movies and know a lot of people in the martial arts. TKD can trace a lot of it's roots back to Northern Kung Fu such as My Jong Law Horn, Northern Shao Lin and Leg Deeping.

Endsang

09-29-2008, 01:13 PM

Well, if you noticed, I picked a specific comment made by Jingangchan to reply to. I knew at least what I was commenting on by placing his quote before my rebuttal. By pointing out my opinion, I clearly stated not only what I felt Lee was best at, but also what he may have pioneered. Why the sarcasm? I wasn't being a cynic, simply stating what I feel, as so many others do. Pick your sources on decent merit. :l

Sorry, I didn't try to be a jerk and meant no sarcasm by it, just thought you meant that you disagreed with Bruce Lee having the best "single jump kick" before saying you didn't know what a "single jump kick" was. Blame my english. I see that my comment sounded a bit hostile, hence the ":p".

;)

theportlykicker

09-29-2008, 04:29 PM

Gotta agree about Chui Jing Yat. From what I've seen, he could have been one of the greatest. Shame he's so overlooked.

Also... JACKIE CHAN! Totally underrated kicker. I'd take him over Yuen Biao any day of the week. Biao's kicks looked flimsy compared to Jackie's.

Chinatown Kid

09-29-2008, 10:16 PM

Morgoth Bauglir

09-29-2008, 10:59 PM

Actually I'm saying the opposite...Eagle Han actually had less variety in jump kicks...his greater variety was in other kinds of kicks...for example, unlike Han Ying, I've never seen HJL perform a butterfly kick.

Well when you start naming kicks, you lose me. I don't really know much about martial arts. I've only taken a kickboxing class once in high school. But I don't think there is a name for a lot Hwang's kicks since they are just show off type stuff. But maybe there are names for them, I have no idea. I may as well ask. So what are the names of these kicks? - the one in 36 Deadly Styles where Hwang jumps over the guy and kicks him in the back, Hitman in the HAnd of Buddha where he grabs the guy with his leg and kicks him with the other leg, and the one in Shaolin Blood Mission where he jumps up and claps his feet around a guy's ears.

AlbertV

09-29-2008, 11:15 PM

Oh I forgot to say thank you Albert for posting those clips of Chui Jing Yat, I remember him in that clip of License To Steal but had forgot about him because I hadn't seen him in anything else after that. He is a great kicker but I think Won Jin is alot better.

No problem CK:D. There isn't a favorite superkicker for me...I think each of the names that have been mentioned has brought his/her own unique style.

Andy Cheng is a pretty wicked kicker as well. Seeing his fight scene against Daniel Southworth (whom he took on as a protege for a few years) in U.S. Seals 2 was really good.

Park Hyun-Jin is definitely a fantastic kicker as well. He was the double for Ritchie Coster in the awful Tuxedo, but his best double work was when he doubled for Andy On in the LEGO Store fight in New Police Story. Just the way he unleashed his legs...real good!

The late Eagle Han will always be a good kicker IMO. He just shines when you see him on screen. He even did some kicking in his cameo appearance in the opening of Fearless Hyena before falling prey to Yam Sai-Koon's villain, but Death Duel of Kung Fu was pretty much what did it for me. R.I.P. Eagle Han

Morgoth Bauglir

09-29-2008, 11:35 PM

Is Daniel Southworth the guy with the chains in US SEALS 2? I think that's the guy who fights Andy Cheng. that guy was awesome. Any other movies you know of where he fights good?

AlbertV

09-30-2008, 12:29 AM

That's him Morgoth. Andy took him in as a protege as Dan was Andy's assistant on THE SCORPION KING (with Dwayne Johnson). Daniel is better known for his role on two Power Rangers TV series, TIME FORCE and WILD FORCE as the "Quantum Ranger". He was the fight choreographer for Michael Worth's western martial arts hybrid GHOST ROCK and did some stunt work in other films aside from acting. He is also appearing in the upcoming Alpha Stunts thriller BROKEN PATH with John Bosch.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0816185/

Morgoth Bauglir

09-30-2008, 12:35 AM

Thanks Albert! I think I remember seeing him on Power Rangers. That was probably the most important thing in my life when I was in 4th grade:D.

Jingangchan

09-30-2008, 01:59 AM

Well when you start naming kicks, you lose me. I don't really know much about martial arts. I've only taken a kickboxing class once in high school. But I don't think there is a name for a lot Hwang's kicks since they are just show off type stuff. But maybe there are names for them, I have no idea. I may as well ask. So what are the names of these kicks? - the one in 36 Deadly Styles where Hwang jumps over the guy and kicks him in the back, Hitman in the HAnd of Buddha where he grabs the guy with his leg and kicks him with the other leg, and the one in Shaolin Blood Mission where he jumps up and claps his feet around a guy's ears.

There are different names in different martial arts. Some terminology is pretty much universal but, not always. For example in Mandarin one of the terms for what is generally known as a roundhouse kick translates to side-kick. This makes sense if you think about it for a while but, I hope you see the point. The names of the kicks you mentioned I'm not sure about off hand. Using common terminology The first kick you mentioned sounds like a jump back-kick. The second one sounds like a leg trap followed by a front kick (forward press kick in KF). The final one I'm not sure about.

Jingangchan

09-30-2008, 02:00 AM

No problem CK:D. There isn't a favorite superkicker for me...I think each of the names that have been mentioned has brought his/her own unique style.

Andy Cheng is a pretty wicked kicker as well. Seeing his fight scene against Daniel Southworth (whom he took on as a protege for a few years) in U.S. Seals 2 was really good.

Park Hyun-Jin is definitely a fantastic kicker as well. He was the double for Ritchie Coster in the awful Tuxedo, but his best double work was when he doubled for Andy On in the LEGO Store fight in New Police Story. Just the way he unleashed his legs...real good!

The late Eagle Han will always be a good kicker IMO. He just shines when you see him on screen. He even did some kicking in his cameo appearance in the opening of Fearless Hyena before falling prey to Yam Sai-Koon's villain, but Death Duel of Kung Fu was pretty much what did it for me. R.I.P. Eagle Han Hard to believe it's been over a decade already...

Morgoth Bauglir

09-30-2008, 02:23 AM

There are different names in different martial arts. Some terminology is pretty much universal but, not always. For example in Mandarin one of the terms for what is generally known as a roundhouse kick translates to side-kick. This makes sense if you think about it for a while but, I hope you see the point. The names of the kicks you mentioned I'm not sure about off hand. Using common terminology The first kick you mentioned sounds like a jump back-kick. The second one sounds like a leg trap followed by a front kick (forward press kick in KF). The final one I'm not sure about.

I definitely know the difference between a roundhouse and a side kick. At least I know that much. :p I just don't know much on terminology. and I wonder why that translation is like that. Thanks for trying to put names to those kicks. What exactly is a butterfly kick? Hwang may not have done one in a movie, but you would think that he "could" do just about any kick right?

AlbertV

09-30-2008, 10:11 PM

I like the move Hwang does where he wraps his leg around his opponent, then pops up and kicks with the other foot not to mention his double jump front-round kick combination and his triple side jump kick.

Van Damme even took a page from Hwang when he fought Peter Cunningham in No Retreat, No Surrender. I noticed that he did a Hwang-trademark where Cunningham tried to block his front kick but Van Damme recoils into a side kick. Hwang used this move a lot in his films.

I like the "rainbow kick", where the kicker tries to execute a jumping spin kick and misses but kicks with the other foot while still in the air. This is one of Scott Adkins' trademark moves and I've seen it executed by Hien Nguyen on WMAC Masters and Akihiro Noguchi did it in Guyver 2: Dark Hero (when he was in the Guyver suit).

Morgoth, The one thing that disappoints me in the last few Power Rangers series is that unlike some of the older series, none of the main cast members have martial arts training prior to the series. Dan Southworth, Austin St. John (the original Red Ranger), Johnny Bosch, Steve Cardenas and Jason Frank (who played the most Rangers on any series) were actual martial artists as compared to most of the actors, who trained under Koichi Sakamoto for the series as he is both executive producer and action choreographer, and are doubled for some of the fight sequences (not including Ranger form, where they are suit actors).

jiujitsu77

10-01-2008, 03:05 AM

Way of the Dragon

10-01-2008, 03:50 PM

Bruce Lee
Yuen Biao
Tony Jaa
Van Damme

Chinatown Kid

10-01-2008, 04:18 PM

Bruce Lee
Yuen Biao
Tony Jaa
Van Damme

I'll definately agree with those four, I think Van Damme doesn't get the respect he deserves for being such a great kicker. His kicks look powerful with beautiful form and grace.

Way of the Dragon

10-01-2008, 04:45 PM

I'll definately agree with those four, I think Van Damme doesn't get the respect he deserves for being such a great kicker. His kicks look powerful with beautiful form and grace.

Thanks, I know his kicks in Kickboxer and Bloodsport were incredible, so much power.

jiujitsu77

10-01-2008, 07:57 PM

van damage is the man. very underrated in terms of kicking ability.

i made fun of it when i was a kid, but ballet is one of the most graceful expressions of the human body ever

Jingangchan

10-02-2008, 02:55 AM

I definitely know the difference between a roundhouse and a side kick. At least I know that much. :p I just don't know much on terminology. and I wonder why that translation is like that. Thanks for trying to put names to those kicks. What exactly is a butterfly kick? Hwang may not have done one in a movie, but you would think that he "could" do just about any kick right?

You've seen it...Li Yi Min does them all the time..It's hard to describe in short order...It's when the stylists jumps up in the air spinning around like a jumping jack swinging both legs around one after the other. Usually only the more acrobatic kung fu people do it. Olympic ice skaters do a similar move too but, I forget what it's called.

A lot of the stars could do about anything. Not just HJL.

Jingangchan

10-02-2008, 03:08 AM

jingangchan, you are a wealth of knowledge.

on screen kicking (in my own opinion) is a touchy subject as far as i am concerned, simply because of the way one would express themselves through the kick on camera (to get a little lee philosophy). anyone can kick, but how it emulates the character's persona or emotion is another thing. are these kicks effective in real life? maybe. does it look sweet as hell and is the viewer convinced? that depends. that's why i like bruce lee and HJL.

however, bruce was very against high kicks and at one point decided it was best not to practice them, seeing them as an opening for an opponent to capitalize on. chuck norris countered that with the notion of "hey, but what about just plain having the ABILITY to kick that high. you never know when you are going to need to". and over the years i tend to lean towards norris's way of thinking. plus i would just like to look cool doing it

Anything can be effective given the right time, place and usage. The thing about the characters persona and emotion is a good point too. I think you wanted to say that anyone can learn to kick...and while that's true not everyone has the natural talent of a Lee Siu Lung, TTL, Donnie Yen or Hsia Kuang Li. Look at Jhoon Rhee in When TKD Strikes...he doesn't even look comparable to HJL, Donnie Yen or TTL but, he's supposed to be one of the top TKD people of all time. Similar goes for Lee Koon Hung. A lot of it is just talent and physical ability.

As far as Brude Lee goes, I think he just advocated low kicks in real fights. In Kung Fu probably most styles at least practice high kicks, only to use low versions of those same kicks in fighting. White Crane-which Bruce demonstrated in his famous screen test-actually advocates high kicking at all times.

Morgoth Bauglir

10-02-2008, 03:28 AM

A lot of the stars could do about anything. Not just HJL.

Yeah, but could they look as cool?XD Hwang just strikes me as someone special. I have never seen anyone kick quite like he does. Like look at that kick he does when he jumps in the air and blocks someone's punch with both of his feet, and then kicks the dude. he does that all in the same jump. I've seen other people do that kick, but I haven't seen anyone do it as good as Hwang, or that could just be that they didn't have the leaping abilty of Hwang. And he does a lot of unique kicks that I've never seen anyone else do. Like in Buddha Assassinator towards the end of the final fight, he is holding Meng Hoi, and somehow he kicks once on the left side, then up higher on the right side, and then back to the left side. really really hard to explain, but I had to try. His one leg was going so fast from left to right, it almost looks like he is using two legs. And on top of all those unique kicks, it doesn't hurt that he is a great actor. As you can tell Hwang is like a god to me. I could talk forever about him. So sorry for rambling.

And on that butterfly kick. I think I know what you are saying. it would be easy for people like Lee I Min and JAckie chan. Eagle Han could probably do it easier than Hwang because Eagle is decent at acrobatics, and Hwang must be poor at abrobatics because you almost never see him do any.

The Dragon

10-02-2008, 03:44 AM

Sorry, I didn't try to be a jerk and meant no sarcasm by it, just thought you meant that you disagreed with Bruce Lee having the best "single jump kick" before saying you didn't know what a "single jump kick" was. Blame my english. I see that my comment sounded a bit hostile, hence the ":p".

;)

It's cool. :D

Bruce Lee's jumping sidekick was quite impressive as mentioned by Jingangchan. It seems once he learned the "trampoline" technique, (which he originally didn't take to), he became one of the best at utilizing this effect. He got amazing flexibility out of those aerial displays. Even going back to his Green Hornet days, he got great elevation on his Jumping sidekick.

Morgoth Bauglir

10-02-2008, 03:55 AM

Jingangchan

10-03-2008, 01:38 AM

Yeah, but could they look as cool?XD Hwang just strikes me as someone special. I have never seen anyone kick quite like he does. Like look at that kick he does when he jumps in the air and blocks someone's punch with both of his feet, and then kicks the dude. he does that all in the same jump. I've seen other people do that kick, but I haven't seen anyone do it as good as Hwang, or that could just be that they didn't have the leaping abilty of Hwang. And he does a lot of unique kicks that I've never seen anyone else do. Like in Buddha Assassinator towards the end of the final fight, he is holding Meng Hoi, and somehow he kicks once on the left side, then up higher on the right side, and then back to the left side. really really hard to explain, but I had to try. His one leg was going so fast from left to right, it almost looks like he is using two legs. And on top of all those unique kicks, it doesn't hurt that he is a great actor. As you can tell Hwang is like a god to me. I could talk forever about him. So sorry for rambling.

And on that butterfly kick. I think I know what you are saying. it would be easy for people like Lee I Min and JAckie chan. Eagle Han could probably do it easier than Hwang because Eagle is decent at acrobatics, and Hwang must be poor at abrobatics because you almost never see him do any.

Yeah, my favorite HJL expression is from the "Eagle's Killer." It's an HJL classic-especially the movie opening. The thing about TKD is that after you get past the great kicking, there's not much left. No weapons and very little acrobatics, ground fighting, locks and holds. I think HJL is proficient in other Korean arts a bit of Kung Fu too though.

I think HJL's kicks are so effective and awesome because he understands several important concepts. One is the use/positioning of the hips. The next is that he gets his knees/legs as high as possible before throwing a lot of kicks. Another is that he has developed the skill of chambering as little as possible before he goes into his jump kicks.

HJL is to jump kicks what TTL is to grounded kicks (except I think TTL's flying side-kick might be better than HJL's).

Eagle Han, Chui Jing Yat and Donnie Yen are in "God" status too in my book...

The Dragon

10-03-2008, 01:59 AM

Bruce Lee could jump with anybody. Dragon have you seen that GOD footage where they are shooting the Kareem Abdul Jabaar fight? His jumping kicks were truly jaw dropping. I actually locked my jaw up when watching that footage. Good pain:D

Yeah you're right, Morgoth. Those leaps at Kareem were without trampolines!!!???:o:o:o
The man could really get off the ground. Had he lived to make more films, undoubtedly he would have "invented" more ideas! He probably would have even begun those Wang Cheng Li types of kicks, where you jump at the opponent and unleash a series of kicks in combination, without wires.

Btw, in one of the many docs on Lee, one of his former comrades spoke of him learning a particular type of kick and mastering the kick in a matter of days, whereas the guy who showed Lee the kick, took a considerable longer period to learn the same kick. He could mimick others with dead-on precision.

Morgoth Bauglir

10-03-2008, 02:58 AM

The Dragon

10-04-2008, 02:12 AM

Chinatown Kid

10-04-2008, 02:21 AM

Endsang

10-04-2008, 09:54 AM

One thing about HJL, he truly looks as if his kicks will actually hurt someone, even on film in an action sequence. No wonder JC lost a tooth on Snake in The Eagles Shadow. Power, and control, each time I watch him.:nerd:

I also read somewhere that Yuen Shun Yee had to rest for a few weeks to recover from the final kick he receives from Hwang at the start of SITES.

The Dragon

10-04-2008, 01:01 PM

:quiet:!!!

theportlykicker

10-04-2008, 05:57 PM

No wonder JC lost a tooth on Snake in The Eagles Shadow. Power, and control, each time I watch him.:nerd:

Hmm, but if he had such good 'control', how come he ended up knocking Jackie's tooth out? Sounds like a bit of a contradiction. ;)

Haha, I kid. I know from experience that, no matter how much control someone has, accidents can happen during the shooting of a fight scene, but still...

Morgoth Bauglir

10-04-2008, 09:48 PM

SITES was early in Hwang's career. His control was a lot better by 79-80. But still, like you said, accidents can happen, especially when you kick over 100 times in a movie. Probably 1000 kicks with all the rehearsal and doing takes over and over again.

Killer Meteor

10-04-2008, 10:05 PM

I also read somewhere that Yuen Shun Yee had to rest for a few weeks to recover from the final kick he receives from Hwang at the start of SITES.

Don't you mean Drunken MAster?

Endsang

10-05-2008, 08:35 AM

Don't you mean Drunken MAster?

Yup, sorry. I mixed up the openings.

Jingangchan

10-06-2008, 12:19 AM

Dragon good thoughts. Bruce Lee definitely would have came up with some awesome kicks. It seems like there are no limits when you watch him in action.

Jingangchan I think I know what you are saying how Hwang would chamber as little as possible. I like seeing full contact stuff, which he has done on a lot of his flying kicks (well, maybe not "full" contact), but being able to just lightly tap people with mulitlple kicks in a single jump is truly amazing. Eagle Han, Donnie, and Chui Jing Yat are all TOP notch in my book, but I just can't compare them to Hwang. But it's cool to know that you think of them like that. I have a few other actors that I give that status to. But being able to watch these actors, and then be able to talk about them in detail with you and all the other kung fu fanatics here, that's something special. Man I love this forum. I just had to say that:D

When it comes to jump kicks there is virtually no one I compare to HJL...but, when it comes to "grounded" more conventional kicks I often say the same about TTL. Then when it comes to flexibility and "stretch" kicks, there is virtually no one I compare to Chui Jing Yat and/or Hsai Kuang Li. Then, when it comes to total variety, people like Donnie Yen come into play. It all depends on what you think are the best or most spectacular techniques or what perspective you are viewing from. I don't however, argue with anyone who places HJL at the top of the list.

It's good to be able to talk to people about HK
Cinema so I agree with you there. Back when most of these movies were made, such a forum was not really even possible...

Jingangchan

10-06-2008, 12:31 AM

I remember reading about Bruce's view of kicking in Chuck Norris's autobiography. Because of Bruce's Wing Chun training he didn't believe in kicking above the waist. Chuck told Bruce that a MA should be proficent enough to kick an opponent anywhere, not just below the waist. Bruce took Chuck's comment to heart and when he saw Bruce a few months later he said Bruce had practiced to where he could kick an opponent at any point on his body with speed, power and accuracy. When Bruce set his mind to do something, he could do it, in other words a natural.

People often forget that Bruce Lee studied more than Wing Chun when he was young. He learned some other Kung Fu which included more than just low kicks. For example, he demonstrated White Crane in his amous screen test. I'm not saying what Chuck said was wrong but, I've heard more than one person claim he "taught or convinced Bruce to kick high." For example Al Dacascus said something like that in an old issue of IKF.

Chinatown Kid

10-07-2008, 01:11 AM

That could be true, I'm just stating what chuck said. He did do some White Crane forms in his screen test and probably did pick up some techniques from that style but Chuck said the only formal training he had was in Wing Chun. I don't know much about White Crane KF or their kicks, but I think Bruce did probably pick up alot of kicks from Chuck's and maybe Jhoon Rhee's Korean style as well.

instant noodles

10-10-2009, 03:31 AM

Tan Tao Liang,John Liu and Hwang Jang Lee are the ones I like most.There might be others equally skilled I do not know indie kung-fu films very well.

Of modern day movie stars I have always liked Donnie Yen a lot.His kicks appear fast and accurate.And he is good with flying/jumpkicks also:smile:

thehangman

10-10-2009, 12:56 PM

Yuen biao is a great kicker checkout his kick at the end of righting wrongs against melvin wong

AlbertV

10-12-2009, 10:46 PM

Yuen Biao nearly gives Tan Tao Liang a run for his money with his kicking in Knockabout...I said nearly LOL

Tsui Jing-Yat impressed me in Shaolin Drunken Monk (as Eagle Han's henchman in the end) and License to Steal (one of Agnes Aurelio's hitmen...really shines in the garage fight).

SimonMW

10-12-2009, 11:08 PM

but being able to just lightly tap people with mulitlple kicks in a single jump is truly amazing.

I dunno, I've seen a fair few Hwang films where he has full chamber on those kicks and is clearly putting something into them. Lackey and the Lady Tiger is one example.

when it comes to "grounded" more conventional kicks I often say the same about TTL.

I think HJL pretty much beats everyone hands down. Hwangs grounded kicks are pure power and as we know from various accounts could use them to devastating effect in real life. TTL's kicks were nice to watch, but I find them too tippy tappy now, and the quality from film to film was not consistent. The Himalayan was good, and probably my favourite TTL film.

but Chuck said the only formal training he had was in Wing Chun.

Wrong. Bruce had formal training in Crane before Wing Chun. There was an interview with his teacher on one of the first Bruce Lee documentaries (can't remember the name of it since I usually switch off when anything Bruce Lee related is mentioned).

Mind you, he is still influencing people. I was once sat in a room with Don Wilson when a projection of the uncut Long Beach footage was shown. Bruce did some sparring and did a high kick. Don leaped up after it had finished to say how he'd never noticed how Bruce had generated his power in his roundhouse kick until then. He was really truly excited by his new discovery! That said, Bruces kicks were fairly rudimentary. They got the job done on screen and there was beauty in their simplicity, but they weren't the greatest.

Yuen Biao nearly gives Tan Tao Liang a run for his money with his kicking in Knockabout...I said nearly LOL

Not surprising given it was TTL who taught him :) Someone who was underrated kicking wise was Roy Horan, who of course was a student of HJL. He clearly exhibits some of the same fluidity and style as Hwang, even if his awful hairstyles often distracted attention away from them!