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venoms5
12-08-2007, 03:13 AM
KILLER CONSTABLE- 1979 aka KARATE EXTERMINATORS Act. ****/blood ****/Movie *****

Chen Kuan Tai, Ku Feng, Pai Piao, Chiang Tao, Yuen Wah

***SPOILERS AHEAD***

2 million taels in gold has been stolen from a vault within the Forbidden City. The Empress wants the money returned within 10 days. Chief Constable Leng Tien Ying is hired to bring back the gold robbers, dead or alive; only Leng never brings anyone back alive. He assembles a team of officers to find the stolen gold. Over the course of the film, Liang's team is dwindled with traps and ambushes awaiting them at every turn. During a fierce and bloody battle in a swamp, the leader of the robbers reveals a major conspiracy which leads to a final and gruesome revenge.

This is a very popular Shaw Brothers movie from the late 70s. It wasn't a massive hit in HK, as during the time of this films release, audiences were interested in kung fu comedies and not deadly serious and downbeat martial dramas. However, numerous rip-offs and similarly plotted films followed; mostly independents. In the US, it was a major cult film among fans. It is often considered to be Chen Kuan Tai's best role. Chen became a major star literally over night after starring in Chang Cheh's seminal 1972 picture, THE BOXER FROM SHANTUNG. A film that had John Woo as an AD.

Here, Chen plays the brutally cold hearted, but whole heartedly righteous royal constable Leng. His brother also is a constable. He detests his methods of always killing and never showing mercy to criminals. He tells him in a strong scene that he "...stinks of blood". In this scene Chen showcases in very minute facial movements that he does indeed have feelings but he believes if one shows kindness to these cruel and vicious criminals, it would be their undoing. He is told on several occasions that he has no heart, but in reality he cannot afford to let his emotions show. In several scenes in Chen's performance, it is apparent that he really doesn't want to kill men wantonly but he knows he must lest he be killed.

Probably the most obvious instance of Leng revealing a less barbaric side involves his relationship with the old guard, Pao Chung. A stubbornly loyal and devout man who wishes to join his Captain on this dangerous mission. In fact, Leng is such a stoic character, all his men admire him totally and would give their lives for him such as the one officer whom Leng gives a dowry for his wedding but the man refuses and decides instead to help capture the villains as opposed to settling down to raise a family. Judging by bits of dialog, it is apparent that Pao Chung has joined Leng on many skirmishes and seems to understand him the best. A scene in which Pao is becoming ill from the treacherous weather encountered on their journey reveals Leng removing his cloak to blanket the old man to comfort him during his sleep. Such nuances are perfectly captured by director Kuei Chi Hung.

During the time period the film is set, shortly after the Ming reprisals to dethrone the invading Manchu hordes had failed, the common people caught amidst all the turmoil and war were left homeless and starving. Many of these folk resorted to crime to survive. This point is mentioned by one of Liang's men who cannot understand Leng's methods and feels pity for those less fortunate. Only when the officers take shelter in a destroyed peasant village does he realize what kindness will get you.

Emotion and the lack thereof is a constant theme in this film and there aren't really any true heroes to be found in the film save for the blind girl who figures in a scene that is strikingly similar to a scene in John Woo's THE KILLER (1989). In it, Leng is unwittingly in the house of his quarry occupied by his blind daughter. When the two swordsmen meet, they stand ready to kill each other with their weapons drawn whilst the blind girl stands confusingly between them unaware of what is truly transpiring around her.

Throughout the pursuit, Leng's men are ultimately killed and Leng himself has been injured with each of the exceedingly deadly confrontations. One scene has Leng and his few remaining men facing off against a hired assassin (Pai Piao) who uses Butterfly Swords and also a hidden wrist weapon that fires Scorpion Darts laced with venom. One of his men is hit with one of the poison needles and Leng and the assassin fight atop a giant fog enshrouded sun dial. If Leng wins, he gets the antidote and the assassin's share of the gold.

There are many great sets that are nearly always found in Shaw Brothers movies. Even in their lower tier B movies, there is always an element of quality in the set design that makes them appear more expensive than they really are. In almost every sequence found in KILLER CONSTABLE, the constant grim and gloomy atmosphere is hammered home in the form of lots and lots of rain, thunder and lightning and a great wind storm.

One ominously gothic scene has Leng limp across a battlefield amidst many arrow riddled and sword slashed bodies surrounded in fog. He finds the body of his brother resting on his knees his sword propping him up in the mud. Upon reaching him, he touches his shoulder by which he then slumps over. He was dead for some time. Suddenly a great rain storm appears again flushing away the fog surrounding Leng who then maddeningly begins slashing his sword around him yelling "KILL!" after he has discovered the insidious plot.

The finale features a bravura battle sequence filled with much blood splattering and limb severing that would appear prominently in CONAN THE BARBARIAN a couple of years later in a very similar fashion. Such scenes had been a mainstay in Shaw productions since the 60s but here, these scenes have more of a visceral impact than before. Usually, in past films precise editing techniques were used in scenes involving people slashed with swords or other implements but here there are no cut-aways. You seen the weapon or arrow enter the body. It's obvious on a couple of occasions that the performer is wearing a plate loaded with blood bags, but by seeing the act without the editing, it adds a level of gruesomeness and savagery that lends an additional level of realism.

In addition to the marvelous Chen Kuan Tai, Ku Feng gives another great performance. However, I can't help but feel some scenes were dropped as his first scene seems to possess some sort of emotional reveal even though up until then, you haven't seen him yet. Possibly the flashback to the robbery may not have been a flashback at all but a scene shot earlier in the film?

Chiang Tao gets to play probably his only good guy role I can think of not really counting his role as the grumpy and torturous father in KUNG FU ZOMBIE (1982). He also appeared in some of those awful Joseph Lai/Godfey Ho "ninja" movies such as NINJA: THE VIOLENT SORCERER (1987?) and THE GOLDEN NINJA WARRIOR (198?) which starred Richard Harrison.

Yuen Wah has a somewhat brief but dynamic role as the chief guard to the lead Court Official. During the finale he proves a most worthy guardian as well as a dangerous swordsman. The only way Leng can get close to him is to let him be stabbed by his sword. Yuen's career is a long and illustrious one that stretches over hundreds of Shaw Brothers productions as well as their chief rival Golden Harvest. He usually plays minor roles or supporting villains, he did get a starring role in Kuei's attempt at a kung fu comedy, the middling COWARD BASTARD (1979) sharing the screen with the main star Meng Yuen Man. That film was another failed attempt by Shaw's to capitalize on the success of Jackie Chan's kung fu comedies that were fast growing in popularity after the release of DRUNKEN MASTER (1979).

Director Hung was a specialist in showing depravity on screen and became a force to be reckoned with directing the horror outings HEX (1980), BEWITCHED (1981), CURSE OF EVIL (1982;a rarity that will hopefully see the light of DVD someday) and BOXER'S OMEN (1983) among others. He also handled gritty action movies such as THE DELINQUENT (1974), KILLERS ON WHEELS (1976;another rarity although I think a bootleg of this is around) and GODFATHER OF CANTON (1982). According to Chang Cheh's memoirs, Kuei was an unusual and often times brutal director whose methods somewhat mirrored the tone of his films.

One of the most downbeat and depressing movies of any genre, KILLER CONSTABLE is probably Kuei's finest achievement and considering he was an acolyte of Chang's, this is as close to the venerable directors style a fan of Cheh could hope for. This type of film was also a popular style at Shaw's. Chang Cheh started the whole concept of showing the hero as vulnerable. You would never know if he would live or die and many times his heroes would die albeit very spectacularly in adrenaline fueled bloody finales. This concept became commonplace at Shaw's. After seeing dozens of movies I had only ever heard of, I began to wonder if it was a policy at Shaw's that happy endings were not allowed!

The ending of KILLER CONSTABLE is one helluva doozy and you're a bit unprepared for it but a Korean version has an alternate ending. Also, I believe this film was a co-production between Shaw and Korea.

An interesting note about this film is that the main characters are all Manchu's; the hated enemies of the Chinese after they invaded China in 1644. The thieves and robbers are actually the "good guys" for the most part. Even though Constable Leng is a righteous man, he is still a Manchu or Qing as they are also referred.

Why this film was called KARATE EXTERMINATORS in the US is anyones guess. There is no Karate on display as most of the action is with swords. A Japanese choreographer was responsible for the action which resembles fights in Japanese movies. It was also called LIGHTNING KUNG FU. This title too, is misleading since there is no actual kung fu here either save for one character played by Korean super kicker Kwan Young Moon who has armor all over his body and uses his legs for fighting. There is lightning though!

Morgoth
12-08-2007, 03:36 AM
All I can do is clap my hands. You really break stuff down in your reviews. Don't be surprised if I steal your reviewing style;)

venoms5
12-08-2007, 04:07 AM
No problem, friend:) We all learn something from each other. I was hoping to have me a website up and running soon with dozens of reviews of various genres but it's stalled at the moment. I posted a number of shorter versions of these and others on a different website and a few on IMDB.

Iron_Jinon
12-17-2007, 05:16 AM
Just finished watching...amazing experience,that`s all I can say now:D

Morgoth
12-17-2007, 05:23 AM
I like to post this pic every chance I get. this seems like a good thread to do it in:D

http://shaolinchamber.com/images/posters/KillerConstable.jpg

Definitely my favorite Shaw Brothers movie.

venoms5
12-17-2007, 11:48 AM
I'd like to see the Korean version which has a different ending.

Morgoth
12-17-2007, 11:54 AM
Yeah somebody posted the pics one time. My eyes did this- :eek:

venoms5
12-17-2007, 12:00 PM
I believe it was spannick who posted them. I saved them to my computer.

Morgoth
12-17-2007, 12:17 PM
Post em! Please! I already saw em, but for fans of the movie they are so cool to see.

oldeschool17
12-17-2007, 12:27 PM
yeah post em. you can use this site to host em:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/

is the alternate ending better?

venoms5
12-17-2007, 12:32 PM
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5325/constable02bildgrendernfw0.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7222/constable03bildgrendernsf3.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3944/constable04bildgrendernct2.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2382/constable05bildgrendernpx8.jpg

venoms5
12-17-2007, 12:33 PM
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9725/constable06bildgrendernpe6.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6232/constable07bildgrenderncn2.jpg

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7229/constable09bildgrendernze5.jpg

Morgoth
12-17-2007, 12:37 PM
Nice!! But I have to say, the real ending is better where the girl is waiting in the rain. I tend to like depressing endings more than happy ones.

BTW- I haven't seen the Korean version, but I want to!

venoms5
12-17-2007, 12:42 PM
yeah post em. you can use this site to host em:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/

is the alternate ending better?

Thanks, oldschool17, but I already had them saved to imageshack. I've never seen the Korean version. I think it was spannick who originally posted these so he may have it.

oldeschool17
12-17-2007, 12:55 PM
thanks venom5 for posting those. Thats doesnt appear to be the same lady emperor from the beginning of the movie. This one seems younger and skinnier.

Did they shoot alternative versions due to different countries censorship? Somebody needs to upload this alternate ending on youtube!

venoms5
12-17-2007, 12:58 PM
I believe this was a co-production between Shaw and Korea which would account for the different scenes. I think there were other co-pros but I couldn't tell you what they were.

Iron_Jinon
12-17-2007, 01:08 PM
"house of traps"was my fav Shaw Bros flick seen this year,but killer constable is definitely superior.Love the very moody atmosphere film has,headchoppings&thing everyone is killed without mercy&the scene in mud where Killer Constable raises sword high above his head gives film kinda lone wolf&cub feeling.
gonna watch it now again:)
edit..ok,he gives chance for life to killer who uses poison darts though..

venoms5
12-17-2007, 01:10 PM
This one is one of my all time favorites as well, Iron_Jinon.

oldeschool17
12-17-2007, 08:39 PM
I believe this was a co-production between Shaw and Korea which would account for the different scenes. I think there were other co-pros but I couldn't tell you what they were.

ahh, interesting. That would definently account for the nice scenery

Sifu
12-18-2007, 03:17 AM
Wow! Morgoth, I'm surprised someone beat you to the punch for a review :D Nice job Venoms!

Morgoth
12-18-2007, 03:22 AM
Venoms5 is a much better reviewer than me. I am very glad that he did a review for it. Made my day.

venoms5
12-18-2007, 04:55 AM
You're too modest Morgoth. Your comments made my day.:)

Morgoth
12-18-2007, 09:40 AM
Yeah I may be being too modest. I am not very good at complimenting myself.



Somebody needs to upload this alternate ending on youtube!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iron_Jinon
12-25-2007, 06:23 PM
few weeks ago when browsed through forum(by then KC was unseen)I saw someone complained sets(maybe costumes were mentioned also) look cheap or sth...I have to disagree,they look very cool and realistic.and use of colours is superb,lots of brown,black and darker shade of yellow instead of bright ones.fits to overal bleak mood extremely well.
I would too be interested of seeing(+buying) happy end version but surely as it stands now is more proper considering sad atmosphere of movie.
mewantstoseemoremoviesofthisquality:)

Morgoth
12-25-2007, 11:50 PM
You may be talking about me Iron Jinon. I thought everything about the movie was beatuiful. The sets, costumes, fights, cinematography, acting, directing... But I thought the set where the final fight took place in looked cheap in comparison to everything else in the movie. It is a very minor gripe.

Sifu
12-28-2007, 01:39 AM
You may be talking about me Iron Jinon. I thought everything about the movie was beatuiful. The sets, costumes, fights, cinematography, acting, directing... But I thought the set where the final fight took place in looked cheap in comparison to everything else in the movie. It is a very minor gripe.

It's the choreography that matters, I agree it's very minor, look at Legendary Weapons' ending :p

Morgoth
12-28-2007, 02:22 AM
It's the choreography that matters

That is true for most kung fu movies, but not Killer Constable. Choreography is just one of the many things that makes KC so great.

venoms5
12-28-2007, 11:43 AM
Choreography is just one of the many things that makes KC so great.

True. For me, if the film has little or no story, then it falls on the action to be entertaining but KC has it all.

Morgoth
12-28-2007, 11:51 AM
Yeah, and just to single out the final fight, the choreography is probably only the 3rd or 4th best thing about it. Chen Kuan Tai is so badass when he puts Yuen Wah's sword under his arm to try and win the fight. Amazing stuff.

venoms5
12-28-2007, 12:00 PM
I'm so glad they didn't use the red screens for the dvd. The Master Arts tape didn't have them but the dvds for HEROES TWO and CRIPPLED AVENGERS still have them in those films so when KC was announced, I was crossing my fingers this disc wouldn't contain them. The interview on one of the discs was still not quite clear (at least to me) as to why those screens were used in the first place aside from obscuring violence. Sometimes there's nothing really bloody going on and the screen flashes red anyway.

The only thing I disagree on with KC is I never thought of the set used in the finale as cheap looking. Considering the commanders position, I assume it was a gathering room where he could inspect the thralls if necessary and considering how sticklers for accuracy the Shaw's tended to be, it was probably very close to the way it would have really looked.

Morgoth
12-28-2007, 12:13 PM
I still have to see the remaastered version, but the final set bugged me just a teeny bit. Perhaps it looks better with crystal clear pic quality.

And I liked the red screens in Heroes Two. I thought it was a nice touch. But I remember it bugging me in some other movies.

venoms5
12-28-2007, 12:15 PM
When you see the remastered disc, you'll see the film in a new light. Like many others it's like seeing it for the first time. You better get it before it gets gone!

Morgoth
12-28-2007, 12:19 PM
I will get it in a trade sometime. Don't talk about it anymore, it makes me sad I don't have it:p;) Since you talk about the good guys (if you can call them that) being manchus in your review, I am guessing that Celestial used the uncut print, because I don't think that scene was in the Brentwood/BCI version. I can't wait to see it remastered.

venoms5
12-28-2007, 12:24 PM
I will get it in a trade sometime. Don't talk about it anymore, it makes me sad I don't have it:p;) Since you talk about the good guys (if you can call them that) being manchus in your review, I am guessing that Celestial used the uncut print, because I don't think that scene was in the Brentwood/BCI version. I can't wait to see it remastered.

Which scene are you referring Morgoth? I didn't know Brentwood released this. It must have been the Master Arts release which itself was a bootleg too, yes? The celestial release has minor bits here and there that are missing from the dubbed MA release or these could simply be a result of the widescreen framing. I'll have to watch it again but I remember seeing some brief extensions of some scenes not in the VHS tape.

Morgoth
12-28-2007, 12:29 PM
The scene where the guy with the boots (the ones his wife made for him) talks about why all the homeless looking people don't look at them nicely. he says it is because they are Manchus, and tthe homeless looking people are Hans. The Brentwood version was cut by about 7 minutes I believe. It was in a 10-pack under the title Lighting Kung Fu. I remember seeing reviews of people complaining about how the kung fu wasn't all that good. i got a good laugh reading those reviews.

venoms5
12-28-2007, 12:33 PM
The MA tape I had was under the title LIGHTNING KUNG FU and it's the same as the IVL save for a few extra frames here and there. Also, both are minus the red screens that were on the version that played here on tv under the odd title KARATE EXTERMINATORS.

If you like this movie you should definitely see WHAT PRICE HONESTY. It's a perfect companion movie to KC. I have a review I did when it came out but it's more of a detailed description of the entire film and gives too much away.

Morgoth
12-28-2007, 12:42 PM
I usually only skim over reviews of movies I haven't seen. I have heard some really good things about What Price Honesty. I think it is Peringaten I remember talking about it VERY highly. Him and other people. I LOVE dark movies.

venoms5
12-28-2007, 12:45 PM
I usually only skim over reviews of movies I haven't seen. I have heard some really good things about What Price Honesty. I think it is Peringaten I remember talking about it VERY highly. Him and other people. I LOVE dark movies.

It's actually quite possibly DARKER than KC. I have the lobby set and poster for it. I would post the review but it gives far too much away. I'll probably edit it. I was really surprised at how good it was especially considering the director did THE FIGHTING FOOL(!)

Morgoth
01-09-2008, 03:18 AM
Just watched the remastered version of KC. I can't believe how much I was missing. The place where the final fight takes place in does look a lot better, but more importanly I can actually see whats going on in that night fight with Kwan Young Moon and Lee Chun Hwa. I didn't think this movie could get any better but man was I wrong.

And I just watched What Price Honesty. Great dark ending. I like that movie a lot. Thnaks for the flicks venoms5. :)

bobo
01-09-2008, 10:57 PM
hi--i have the english dub version with the sad ending. QUESTION--was there ever a dub version of the happy ending ? just curious.

jmungus
01-10-2008, 02:44 AM
And I just watched What Price Honesty. Great dark ending.

i remember there was an interesting discussion going on at KFF regarding this title, as opinions would range from 'rather weak' to 'extremely hot' afair.
with all those fresh impressions in your head, its maybe worth your while searching the board for said thread (in the SB section).
i liked WPH quite a bit as well.

venoms5
01-10-2008, 04:40 AM
That's a fantastically dark and nihilistic film. I have a lobby set for it and one of the cards kind of gives the ending away!

gravedigger666
03-21-2008, 08:21 AM
This was spinechilling experience.Somehow I think this movie displays nature of humans very well,even those good ones are cold and brutal.One thing which bit irrates me is CKT is losing to kicker villain and escapes into sea why Mr.Lethalkick followed him into area he cannot use his best weapons?5/5 movie anyway,end was really surprising and bit shock.But it fit overall to atmosphere of movie I almost felt sorry for blind girl.

peringaten
03-21-2008, 10:27 AM
I'm kind of inclined to agree with some, regardless of how little or much they may know about the genre, that the kung isn't that great in this. It's good, but not that great. It's a little slow, it is, and so far as physicality goes I wouldn't put it right up there. Set-pieces, mood and direction are something else though. They lift it into the echelon. I tried this flick on a group of mates, thought it would slay them. They got it, of course, but the expectation of incredible physicality showed it lacking to me somewhat when you're sat with people expectant. Still agreed it was awesome, but you know... Tone of this film is incredible.

I think that's a case in-so-far as how well made this film is. Things usually more than accepted or rejoiced as incredibly great schlock, kind of stand out off in this one. It's almost too well-made for it. You can wonder why certain elements weren't tweaked, although not care too, regardless as it's uniquely special. Things like that ring-of-hay fire sequence... come along now - 'stop rolling in it, you can jump that, fool!!' I mean in a lesser/or differently scoped kung-film, I'd be like: 'Fuck yeah! Roll in that two foot of fire!!' But like here, you know... Why's the face, but not the hair burnt. Take the pads out for that cut-to already arrowed shot. That chimney kiln would have cooked him, etc...

But that's all inconsequential, nothing else like this one. I see it's special, but it's not that special. If you get what I'm saying... It's one of the best, I can see, but so far as favourites go not for me, I like many others plenty more, but I love this genre and in respect I love this film. Get me? I get it objectively. Subjectively, it's alright. Things that would never bother me, bothered me with this one, just because it's too good. Cathartic though. Final shot has an emotional weight to it few others match. Great stuff! Blew my mind.

oldeschool17
03-21-2008, 11:37 AM
Spot on. You basically nailed the pros and cons for me of this movie
I'm kind of inclined to agree with some, regardless of how little or much they may know about the genre, that the kung isn't that great in this. It's good, but not that great. It's a little slow, it is, and so far as physicality goes I wouldn't put it right up there. Set-pieces, mood and direction are something else though. They lift it into the echelon. I tried this flick on a group of mates, thought it would slay them. They got it, of course, but the expectation of incredible physicality showed it lacking to me somewhat when you're sat with people expectant. Still agreed it was awesome, but you know... Tone of this film is incredible.

I think that's a case in-so-far as how well made this film is. Things usually more than accepted or rejoiced as incredibly great schlock, kind of stand out off in this one. It's almost too well-made for it. You can wonder why certain elements weren't tweaked, although not care too, regardless as it's uniquely special. Things like that ring-of-hay fire sequence... come along now - 'stop rolling in it, you can jump that, fool!!' I mean in a lesser/or differently scoped kung-film, I'd be like: 'Fuck yeah! Roll in that two foot of fire!!' But like here, you know... Why's the face, but not the hair burnt. Take the pads out for that cut-to already arrowed shot. That chimney kiln would have cooked him, etc...

But that's all inconsequential, nothing else like this one. I see it's special, but it's not that special. If you get what I'm saying... It's one of the best, I can see, but so far as favourites go not for me, I like many others plenty more, but I love this genre and in respect I love this film. Get me? I get it objectively. Subjectively, it's alright. Things that would never bother me, bothered me with this one, just because it's too good. Cathartic though. Final shot has an emotional weight to it few others match. Great stuff! Blew my mind.

The Silver Fox
11-27-2009, 02:49 PM
"I hope that you do have a good lawyer. If he is not doing what you think he should or if in this case he is pushing a plea - find another lawyer. You'll need to go to trial so you're going to need a lawyer you can count on. I paid for a private attorney for my son and I would have done just as good with a court appointed one I'm sure. The key is finding someone who really wants to defend you and not just settle for what the court offers. "

Hey, that's great advice. I love how it ties in perfectly with movie reviews for 'Killer Constable'.

Iron Boat
11-28-2009, 01:49 AM
One of the things I like about Killer Constanble is that Chen Kuan Tai got to play a badazz again in a later Shaw Film.

Blood Sword
11-28-2009, 02:12 AM
Atmosphere is very dark and CKT is great antihero.I like the surprise ending so much:smile:.

Pity about blind girl though:angel:

punt44
11-29-2009, 07:35 PM
I honestly think Killer Constable is the best Shaw film of their later era 1975-1985. I think it should be regarded as a classic of Hong Kong Cinema.