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venoms5
12-09-2007, 06:00 AM
MEN FROM THE GUTTER 1983 Act. ***1/2 /Blood **1/2 /Movie ***1/2

Mu Ku Wai, Lo Mang, Pai Piao, Wong Yung, Li Hai Sheng, Chen Pei Hsi

***SPOILERS AHEAD***

Two policemen, one by the book, the other by any means necessary, try to topple a drug kingpin. A hitman who is also after the dealer for a past vendetta, gets mixed up with the two cops amidst his trail of revenge.

A late new wave entry from Shaw Brothers when they were crumbling from the massive crippling their long time rival Golden Harvest had administered with their modern style thrillers and jaw droppingly dangerous stunt filled movies. By the time Shaw's had began experimenting with new wave cinema styles, it was too late. It's a shame, because this a damn fine, gritty crime thriller with some surprisingly dangerous stunts that rival almost anything that Jacky Chan, Sammo Hung and Yuen Biao were doing over at Golden HArvest.

My favorite HK actor and one of the original 5 DEADLY VENOMS, Lo Mang, plays the hot-headed police Sergeant out to bust a local drug lord who runs his operations from a high rise in HKs business district. But his level-headed superior (played by Mu Kui Wai) wants to take the criminal kingpin (played by Wong Yung) down legally. Later in the film, the good cop realizes that you can't always go by the book when dealing with vicious crooks and thugs.

Frequent kung fu actor Jason Pai Piao plays the supposedly dead hitman who has returned from Thailand to settle the score with the crime boss and his cohorts (one of which is played by screen heavy Li Hai Sheng). Pai Piao obviously pumped up a bit for this movie and during the action packed 20 minute stunt filled shoot-out, Pai reminds me a lot of Bronson from DEATH WISH 2. Also, it appears Pai has gone the extra mile and done most, if not all his own stunts. Several of them are extremely impressive. Pai pretty much steals the movie from everyone else and he takes a load of punishment throughout the movie. You really want to see him kill the bad guy.

Lo Mang doesn't get quite as much screen time as I would have liked, but Pai Piao more than makes up for it with his performance. I've always liked him as an actor and although I kind of feel he was dwarfed by the magnificence of the venoms in SHAOLIN RESCUERS (1979), Pai owns this movie and really blew me away with his tortured, revenge seeking character. This is easily the best of the few crime films from Shaw's I've seen including the likes of BROTHERS FROM THE WALLED CITY (1982) and PURSUIT OF A KILLER (1985). It seems many of these later Shaw Brothers movies start out like gangbusters but have weak finishes. Not so with MEN FROM THE GUTTER (1983). A top crime drama from beginning to end.

There is also a subplot involving some young punks and their criminal exploits to get rich quick and stow away for America. It all ends badly for them during an exciting car chase and bang up. One of two such scenes. This subplot is very reminiscent of the violent Italian crime movie YOUNG VIOLENT & DANGEROUS (1976). Chen Pei-Hsi (5 ELEMENT NINJAS 1982) is almost unrecognizable as the ill-fated girlfriend of one of the young thugs.

There is so much going on in this movie. The bravura 20 minute action set piece in the warehouse is worth the DVD alone. It's a shame the movie going public in HK had, by this time, turned their backs on Shaw Brothers movies deeming them old-fashioned. The same thing having happened to Hammer a few years prior. This movie grossed around 3 million in HK while stunt-laden comedy films from Chan, Hung and Biao (PROJECT A for example released the same year) were grossing around 15-20 million.

This film did win an award at the 28th Annual Asia Pacific Awards for Best Editing. If you're in the mood for something completely different from the usual kung fu opus or if you're an Italian crime movie fan than you should definitely see this film.

Morgoth
12-09-2007, 08:43 AM
20 minute action scene? This movie sounds awesome. Thanks for yet another great review.

venoms5
12-09-2007, 09:33 AM
20 minute action scene? This movie sounds awesome. Thanks for yet another great review.

It's more like 18 minutes but that's close enough:)

tai_shin_mun
01-24-2008, 02:36 PM
venom5,does Kao Fei star in this movie?You do not mention him and neither does hkflix in cast list.Martial Arts Movies book by Citadel Press however tells he is in the film.

venoms5
01-25-2008, 12:04 AM
venom5,does Kao Fei star in this movie?You do not mention him and neither does hkflix in cast list.Martial Arts Movies book by Citadel Press however tells he is in the film.

I don't recall him being in the movie but I'll look at it again. If he is in there, he has a brief appearance only but I don't remember seeing him in there.

peringaten
01-25-2008, 12:21 AM
Kao Fei is not in this. Good film, you can tell it's a cinematographer's work. One of Shaws best photographed, definitely for modern day at very least.

venoms5
01-25-2008, 12:36 AM
Cool, peringaten. I didn't think he was in that one but I've seen so many since then I couldn't remember.

peringaten
01-25-2008, 01:57 AM
Makes things click as to why Sun Chung's flicks looked so nice.

Alex
01-30-2008, 06:54 AM
Very very apt comparison as far as italian crime cinema is concerned, first thing that popped into my head after I saw this. The look, the fast pace, even how some of the action is staged is very reminiscent of some of the wilder action stuff coming out there in the 70s. Same goes for Pursuit of a Killer as well, definitely check that one out if you haven't yet.

venoms5
01-30-2008, 09:48 AM
Same goes for Pursuit of a Killer as well, definitely check that one out if you haven't yet.

Have that one and thought it was one of the worst Shaw movies I've ever seen. It started off like gangbusters then slowly turned into the PLAN NINE FROM OUTER SPACE of HK action movies. It had some good moments but, IMO, they were terribly few and far between.

Which Euro crime flicks you like, Alex? I'm partial to Lenzi's efforts myself. Sometime last year I had posted some reviews for some of the Italian crime movies I have but it didn't seem to click so I abandoned it here after a bit.

Alex
01-31-2008, 02:23 AM
I like them all. Lenzi for the go for broke pacing and meanness, Di Leo for the noirish pathos, Castellari for no frills great action, it's all good in my book. I have pretty much every single one that's available on reg1 and a few that are european releases and bootlegs, so if you ever need a quick review of something don't hesitate to ask.

BTW, i just picked up Ricco The Mean Machine from dark sky, it's not something i'd recommend to a novice but as you seem to be familiar with the genre you should definitely check it out. For more details, DVDManiacs has a review of it that I felt was pretty accurate.

venoms5
01-31-2008, 02:27 AM
I like them all. Lenzi for the go for broke pacing and meanness, Di Leo for the noirish pathos, Castellari for no frills great action, it's all good in my book. I have pretty much every single one that's available on reg1 and a few that are european releases and bootlegs, so if you ever need a quick review of something don't hesitate to ask.

BTW, i just picked up Ricco The Mean Machine from dark sky, it's not something i'd recommend to a novice but as you seem to be familiar with the genre you should definitely check it out. For more details, DVDManiacs has a review of it that I felt was pretty accurate.

I already have a cut boot of it and will be placing an order for it shortly. I've got close to a hundred of the Euro crime movies I'd say. I've got all (save for GAMBLING CITY) of the R1 and a fair number of R2 dvds as well as some fan dubs.

Alex
01-31-2008, 02:33 AM
Last few years have been gold for these on dvd, but the well unfortunately seems to have dried up. Is No Shame out of business now?

venoms5
01-31-2008, 02:35 AM
Not sure if they're out of business. At least not in Italy they aren't. I don't think the US releases sold well for them. Have you seen this site here? It's got tons of stuff on Euro crime and Euro movies in general.

http://www.lovelockandload.net/forum/index.php

Alex
02-01-2008, 03:58 AM
that's a great site but kinda dense. lots of info that takes time to sort through. the guy who runs it posts on the DVDManiacs forum, that's how I came across it

so what's your favorite title of these?

venoms5
02-01-2008, 04:54 AM
that's a great site but kinda dense. lots of info that takes time to sort through. the guy who runs it posts on the DVDManiacs forum, that's how I came across it

so what's your favorite title of these?

Sorry to derail the thread but there's too many to mention. These are some of my faves...

BLAZING MAGNUM
SPECIAL COP IN ACTION
MILAN CALIBRE 9
THE BOSS
THE CYNIC, THE RAT & THE FIST
ROME ARMED TO THE TEETH
FEAR IN THE CITY
CRY OF A PROSTITUTE
VIOLENT NAPLES
VIOLENT ROME
HIGH CRIME....

Alex
02-14-2008, 01:23 AM
since we started the conversation about these here...

I watched Brothers from the Walled City last night, and was pretty much disappointed. The beginning was great, followed by a somewhat meandering middle that could've easily been saved by a good ending. Unfortunately, the ending is beyond terrible, it almost seems like it was forced on the director as a nod to the HK police or something. Unbelievably unsatisfying. It's really a shame, I was looking forward to seeing this for quite some time and looking forward to adding another name to this great and under appreciated little gritty early 80's niche. No such luck

venoms5
02-14-2008, 01:49 AM
Yeah, I was terribly disappointed in BROTHERS FROM WALLED CITY, too. Pretty much feel the way you do about it although it's obvious some bits are cut and the ending appears that the makers ran out of time and money and had to slop it together the best way they could. Compared with what came before it, the ending is totally rushed and looks edited with a cleaver.

peringaten
02-14-2008, 06:47 AM
Don't ask me where I heard it, can't remember, but from what I'm aware 'Brothers From' IVL edition is a somewhat cut/reedited print. Think they did a Chinatown Kid on us with this edition.

But yeah, totally lacks the visual flare of Men From for one, not what you'd expect from one of Shaw's finest cinematographers, especially considering the flares of MftG. Nice to see he went back to Shawscope for his Men From follow-up. Brothers' roof-drop scene was great, was waiting for some real pay-off on from that. This copy didn't deliver.

Alex
02-15-2008, 07:05 AM
i had a feeling it was edited, there is just no way in hell that the same guy who directed the previous 88 minutes willingly directed the last 2. oh well, here's hoping a good version surfaces some day

gravedigger666
02-23-2008, 01:06 AM
Walled City is one reason why I stay away from Shaws set in modern times and stick with period pieces.Wang Lung Wei was very ferocious in few scenes but that was all.Had it been made darker and more action might have somethig.After WLW`s daugher falls to death I hoped rest of movie will be Wang taking revenge on gangmembers but no way Jose:(.