Red Sun SB films?

[angryguest]

While visiting NYC Chinatown the other day, I came
across Red Sun SB movies, each around $15 and including English Dubbed. Titles I saw are Chinatown Kid, Venom films and among others. Just wondering if anyone purchase any of these titles? How are the pictures quality compare to Celestial/IVL?

[kungfusamurai]

If the DVDs claim to be widescreen, then they video image is stolen from Celestial. Otherwise, they consist of blurry, second or third generation recordings. All of them are english dubbed.

KFS

[WHITETIGERNY]

That store is well known among the Chinese as a seller of bootleg DVDs.

Found an Odd Couple from England on the shelf there. It had been opened and I suspect copied and bootlegged.

The outer-cover was correct but the inner-sleeve was the cantonese dvd sleeve. The dvd was an original. Bootlegger do this slipshoud stuff regularly. Use it, then get rid of the evidence.:rolleyes

They are the highest priced seller of red junk dvds. If you must lower yourself to buying that junk then for *** sake spend no more than $4 each. Cheap pressed DVDs that can be made in Manhattan for $1 each.

Not starting a bootleg blog here by the way.

[morgoth]

Red SUn is not recommended, I have had many problems with them. Shaolin Intruders is full screened with bad picture and audio, Blood Brothers, Invincible Shaolin, Executioners of Shaolin, and Iron Fingers of Death are remastered but it is a bad transfer, One Armed Swordsman has UNLISTENABLE audio, Avenging Eagle has this super lound and very long beep in the middle of the movie that scared the piss out of me... Too many problems to name. Some of their movies look good but they still are not as good as the Celestial versions. Plus it has been mentioned that their discs just stop playing after a while because they are just junk.

[angryguest]

Thank you all for your quick responses. This is a great forum!

[HANZOSTEEL]

Redsun DVD rules i dont know what i would do without some of thier english dubbs it's like visiting the past and all the great times of my childhood again.

Some of the copies are bad because they are the only ones avaliable i suppose. Love that company, some hate them but they are just haters

[Markgway]

I wouldn't give Red Sun a single cent of my money.

But that's just me.......

[beardy82]

HANZOSTEEL = SLEEPMAN......anyone agree :D

[Chen Zhen]

beardy is usin that ol thinking cap :)

[morgoth]

HANZOSTEEL, why are you promoting a company that sells DVD's that stop working after about a year? The point of DVD is to be able to watch your favorite scenes over and over again. On top of the hundreds of other problems that their discs have, I can't understand why you could recommend DVD's that don't play. PLease explain this for me.

[HANZOSTEEL]

i havent owned any of the dvd to see if they break down on me after a year. if that is true that really isnt good but still they are the only place ive seen that are making this option avaliable to the fans.

[Markgway]

So everyone gets screwed just so a bunch of impatient nostalgics can have old English dubs?

Nice.

[morgoth]

I would rather wait for a disc that works and has way better picture quality and English dub than have a disc that stops working soon after it is manufactured. Some of these movies may not get English dubs but most of them will and it will be a good idea to wait. There are freaking hundreds of good movies you can get until then. A while ago I was on a kung fu shopping spree and I picked up some Red Sun titles(15 or so) and about half of them have problems playing. I don't know if it is just certain movies but it is not worth finding out. They are just a crappy company and should not be supported in any way. Sadly people are probably still picking up their 7 Blows of the Dragon disc which has serous problems and they could have just waited for the Image disc which is uncut, has outstanding picture quality, and very good subtitles. That is the release I would pick as a kung fu movie fan.

[HANZOSTEEL]

i dont know if the discs break down so fast if that is true that is not good but still i cannot get english dubbs w/ the new video anywhere else. i would have to do it myself to get what they are offering me, i rather just buy them i dont have time to make them.

[Linn1]

over the next two or three years, the most popular films from the Shaw Brothers will be out in legit versions in the US with dub tracks included (for those that exist). Then again, by the time they come out, your Red Sun dvds will have broken down and you'll need to buy them again. So I suppose it will work itself out. I just don't see a point in paying for something twice, when you can simply trade with fans to tide you over if you MUST see a film.

[FarEastPirate]

I guess if the discs break down .

so will Animeigo and TLA

as I think they are made in the same factory

Nice try

[morgoth]

Nice try? I wish I had the technology to pop my 2 Champions of Shaolin disc and show you how it freezes when I put it in. Or how about my invincible Shaolin disc? That one was good for one watch I guess but I would haev liked to have seen it a few more times.

[achiever]

Why don't you just try ripping the DVD immediately when you get it & then burn it to a higher-quality DVD (which won't degrade over such a short time (I still don't understand why anyone would use such crap DVDr's when good ones are so cheap now-a-days). As for the DVD's freezing, There are lotsa relatively cheap computer programs which will repair this problem in MOST cases when ripping it to your hard-drive!

I have a few suggestions for programs to use for this & also a program suggestion for shrinking dual-sided DVD's so they will fit into regular DVDr's with negligible quality reduction.

I'm new here, so I'm trying to contribute!!

By the way, GREAT BOARD!!!!!!!!!!

[angryguest]

Please list your few suggestions for programs to use.
Thanks.

[ferociousdragon]

ripping the DVD immediately when you get it & then burn it to a higher-quality DVD (which won't degrade over such a short time

Thats what I do when I get a film that I realy like. That way if anything happens to the copy I originaly got I have a spare copy on a good dvdr and I also try to save the film to my Hard drive. Tho saving to the hard drive takes up space so you need at least a 500 GB HD to save a few of you favorite films and still be able to use you PC without compramize. A realy good way to back up films are by simply using an external HD with a usb connection. If you get a 1 TB EX HD and only use it for films you should be able to save about 330 full 2 hour dvds. Just my 2 cents.;)

[achiever]

I use:

DVDFab Decrypter (www.dvdfab.com)

& Slosoft AnyDVD (www.slysoft.com))

to rip my movies (these programs also remove copyguard, area restrictions (a big issue in classic martial arts flix), etc.

To burn 'em to DVD I use Roxio Easy Media Creator when shrinking DVD content which is larger than 4.7 Gigs (dual layer) to fit onto a regular DVDr. The movie quality reduction is negligible when shrinking (as opposed to A4 DVD Shrinker, which has a greater effect on quality).

or DVDSanta (www.dvdsanta.com).

Except for Roxio, each of the programs costs less that $30.

Good Luck!;)

[HANZOSTEEL]

Is it true that RedsunDVD break down over a year? How many people can say yes that this is indeed
the case? If it is it looks like i have a lot of DVD-R to burn. I couldnt stand having to pay for them 2x

Thanks

[morgoth]

Hanzo, I have had problems. There is 3 movies in particular I like of Red Sun's, but that is only because I bought them before I knew they were bootlegs. The 3 MK movies all work on my new DVD player, but they don't play on my 3 older players. Every once in a while I have problems on my new DVD player, but rarely. This problem happens on all of the DVD's but it makes me really mad for the MK ones. Thing is, I am not able to burn these since I am poor like most people. I have only had these DVD's for about 10 months but problems started occuring within a month after I got them. Burn em fast.

[BleuVenom]

Whoa! Wait a minute. A friend of mine just happened upon a lot of those Shaw Bros. films from Red Sun at FYE and told me about them. Seeing as though I've been collecting most of my Celestials in VCD format(close to 200 now), I was looking forward/ hoping to have the Celestial quality pic with an English Dub track. So I went out and bought every one on the shelf that I could find. I haven't opened them yet because I needed to check to see if you guys had imput on them. What the heck did I stumble into? I love this forum because you guys tell it like it is. So I'm throwing out the S.O.S., the Batman signal, whatever. HELP.

My friend showed me several minutes of The Master (skipping through the chapters and it seemed fine and pretty clear though I don't recall now if it had the Celestial title menu?). As for The Martial Club (I skipped around after a few minutes. It had the Celestial menu and the clarity was pretty good). I was planning to trade some other flix for those.

Can somebody give me a breakdown of what to keep and what to take back. These are the following titles I just purchased:

The Crippled Avengers - Red Sun
Super Ninjas (thought this one was suspect because I don't recall this one released in remastered Celestial format) - Red Sun
Mad Monkey Kung Fu - Red Sun
Shaolin Master Killer - Red Sun
8 Diagram Pole Fighter - Red Sun
One-Armed Boxer - Was this remastered and Released by Celestial? - Red Sun
Five Shaolin Masters - Red Sun
Dirty Ho - Red Sun
Flag Of Iron - Tried ordering but found it out of stock awhile ago - Red Sun
Deadly Duo - Red Sun
Brave Archer part 1 - Red Sun
5 Fingers Of Death - HK Toyz
Heroes Two - Bonzai media Corporation
Ten Tigers From Kwangtung - Bonzai

Any and all assistance will be greatly appreciated.
BleuVenom

[morgoth]

I came on this site in an uproar only to find out that the Red Sun DVD's are bootlegs and complete crap. SInce I am honest I will tell you about the 2 DVD's I have from that crappy company.

master killer-fine

Mad MOnkey-good picture quality, English dubbing sounds way too tinny on a couple voices. Not quite as bad as some of Red Sun's other releases.

Dirty Ho-nothign wrong with this.

Most of the others on that list I have heard aren't remastered.

[Markgway]

One-Armed Boxer - Was this remastered and Released by Celestial?

Not a Shaw Bros film.

[killer meteor]

So Venombleu bought a load of boots? Yeesh, take them back. By buying them, you prevent us from seeing decent releases

One Armed Boxer is Golden Havest. Booters have been ripping off the Japanese dvd for ages

[morgoth]

I have only bought movies from a couple of websites(when I had the money), but it can be a huge freaking hassle to return movies. That is by far the best choice though, good luck.

[jumper5836]

The early releases of redsun were terrible and before that the panmedia old vhs to dvd disks were burned on crappy quality disks which break easily or have problems playing.

The old versions had poor quailty video or audio issues where it would come out only one channel.

Since I started redubbing the english dubbed movies there are many that are redsun new versions. I can say all of these are much better quality then the old redsun versions because I did them but in some cases the audio is not great becuase there isn't an eng audio track available that is better.

Here is the list of the ones I've redubbed. The ones in bold I know are used as redsun versions.(linn - hope thats better)

36TH CHAMBER OF SHAOLIN
ANONYMOUS HEROES
ALL MEN ARE BROTHERS
AVENGING EAGLE
BAMBOO HOUSE OF DOLLS
BAREFOOTED KID
BATTLE WIZZARD
BELLS OF DEATH
BLOOD BROTHERS aka DYNASTY OF BLOOD
BOXER REBELLION
BRAVE ARCHER
BRAVE ARCHER 2
BRAVE ARCHER 3
CHALLENGE OF THE MASTERS
CHINATOWN KID
CHINESE BOXER
CONVICT KILLER
CRIPPLED AVENGERS
DEADLY DUO
DELINQUENT, THE
DIRTY HO
DUEL, THE
DUEL OF FISTS
EIGHT DIAGRAM POLE FIGHTERS
EXECUTIONERS FROM SHAOLIN
FLYING GUILLOTINE
FLYING GUILLOTINE 2
FIST OF THE WHITE LOTUS
FIVE SHAOLIN MASTERS
FIVE TOUGH GUYS
FIVE VENOMS
FLAG OF IRON
FOUR RIDERS
HEROES TWO
HEROIC ONES
HEAVEN AND HELL
INVINCIBLE SHAOLIN
KILLER ARMY
KING BOXER
KUNG FU INSTRUCTOR
LEGENDARY WEAPONS OF KUNG FU
LION vs LION
LIZZARD, THE
MAD MONKEY KUNG FU
MAGIC BLADE
MAGNIFICENT WANDERERS
MAN OF IRON
MARCO POLO
MARTIAL ARTS OF SHAOLIN
MARTIAL CLUB
MONKEY KUNG FU
MY YOUNG AUNTIE
NA CHA THE GREAT
NAVAL COMMANDOS
NEW ONE-ARMED SWORDSMAN
NEW SHAOLIN BOXER
RETURN TO THE 36TH CHAMBER
SAVAGE FIVE
SEVEN MAN ARMY
THE SHAOLIN AVENGERS
SHAOLIN CHALLENGES NINJA
SHAOLIN INTRUDERS
SHAOLIN MANTIS
SHAOLIN MARTIAL ARTS
SHAOLIN PRINCE
SHAOLIN TEMPLE
THREE EVIL MASTERS
TEN TIGERS FROM KWANGTUNG
THUNDERBOLT FIST
TRAIL OF THE BROKEN BLADE
TREASURE HUNTERS
TWELVE GOLD MEDALLIONS
TWO CHAMPIONS OF SHAOLIN
WEB OF DEATH

10 BROTHERS OF SHAOLIN
THE BLADE
BANDITS FROM SHANTUNG
BLADE OF FURY
BROKEN OATH
CLAWS OF STEEL
DANCE OF DEATH
DANCE OF THE DRUNK MANTIS
DEATH SHADOWS
DELIGHTFUL FOREST
DONT PLAY WITH FIRE
DRAGON HERO aka DRAGON FIST
DRUNKEN MASTER
GENERAL STONE
HAPKIDO
HERO OF THE TIME
IRON MONKEY 2
KIDS FROM SHAOLIN
ONCE UPON A TIME IN CHINA 4
ONCE UPON A TIME IN CHINA 5
ONCE UPON A TIME IN CHINA 6
ONE ARMED SWORDSMEN
PEDICAB DRIVER
THE SHAOLIN TEMPLE (JET LI)
SLEEPING FIST
SNAKE IN THE MONKEYS SHADOW
SPIRITUAL KUNG FU
STORY OF DRUNKEN MASTER
STREETFIGHTER 1
STREETFIGHTER 2
STREETFIGHTER 3
TIGER CAGE
TIGER CAGE 2

[THE BASTARD]

Is this a complete list of English Dubbed Shaw Brothers Films?

[Linn1]

very hard to be understanding, but this thread is not a selling tool for these releases. Feel free to discuss releases, but do not link to them. If "fans" want to find them, they certainly can.

[SunChien2004]

I usually get the English Celestial bootlegs from a mall here in Brooklyn,NY, most of them seem to be alright, as I prefer English dubs personally, only if there is no alternate language then I'd get the Celestial Chinese/Mandarin versions w/Eng subs.

[killer meteor]

Is it me or are you people crazy? You know the bootleggers prevent us from seeing genuine releases so why buy the bootlegs?

[Linn1]

it clearly doesn't matter to them. Most fans want what they want RIGHT NOW. It doesn't matter to most that this may hurt their chance to see legit releases anytime soon. Let alone that they keep supporting people that do nothing but make money off the hardwork and effort of others by stealing transfers, soundtracks, subtitles, dubs, sometimes entire releases, etc. To say nothing of screwing the fans at every turn by undercutting companies that want to release the very films they wanted in the first place. I can understand wanting to see the films, but when you can trade for ANYTHING you want, it makes no sense to support these people. What I really can't understand is why when bootleggers have screwed over the fans so many times, fans just keep supporting them? That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[killer meteor]

Yeah, I can understand trading. It's supporting blatant criminals that puzzles me

[Tokenganja Clan]

What I really can't understand is why when bootleggers have screwed over the fans so many times, fans just keep supporting them? That makes no sense to me whatsoever

Probably because majority of the people buying Red Sun dvds have no clue they are a bootleg company. Not everybody goes on forums and finds these things out. Thats just what i think;)

[Linn1]

but I'm talking about many of the people in this and other forums who are well aware of that.

[jumper5836]

The only reason anyone even knows about these films is becuase of boot legging.
I couldn't wait for a legit company to release an english dub. I wan't to watch it now becuase who knows what tommorow holds.
The damage was done many years ago and those that buy legit region 3 disks here are also the problem. Any north ammerican legit company now has to deal with region 3 imports.

[SunChien2004]

To be honest, I didn't know that it was a bootleg till last year when I went on these forums. More than likely, I'm probably going to continue to buy them as I'm probably going to forget about all this and I just like to see Kung fu movies.

I'm sure someone is going to come out and run me down for saying that, but that's how I feel about it.

[THE BASTARD]

..I have to agree Redsun DVD without them i wouldnt even know about Shaw Brothers PERIOD, im sure
all of you own copies? Me too. Lol. Anyways RedSunDvd is not the only company that are and have been
releasing Old School Kung Fu Classics. There are just simply 10-25 other companies that have been
doing it for so many years and years .. Without them i would have never seen any of those movies either.

I dont care about Redsundvd whatsoever nor any other company. I will never meet these people ever what
i do show some interest in is watching some of these Old School Kung Fu classics though. . .

Without these (admitedly unlicensed, lost proprietorship, regionally defunct) copies of these movies being
put in circulation through out the years this forum would not even exist except for a thread or two on Bruce
Lee.. These copies of the movies are the ones that made you. Where you so pro Legit back then? NOPE

If these people are such Criminals dont you think it would have stopped by now, you drag your angry
thoughts all over this company to "Quicken the release of Legit Releases" Yeah. like im going to wait 3
or 5 ,6 ,7 years.

I understand your side of the argument totally but dont you think it's sort of like pissing in the wind? Your
asking all the Martial Kung Fu fan world to stop buying releases but nobody is listening except for the 40
or so people who come to this forum. I guess i understand the boycot, but i mean so what? When some-
thing is really if ever done then it will be done.

If companies really own the rights to these films how on earth are the EVIL BOOTLEGGERS thriving now
more than ever. Also id like to point out i only see 7 or 8 names against it everybody else on the forum is
probably scared to say something but they all know they love getting those Classics re-mastered

I hope you dont edit my posts this is another side of the argument let it be heard. Lets talk no need to hush
me up You started this thread, you want to be heard ok lets talk... See the argmument is Split.

I hope that doesnt offend anyone but to me as an outsider it's just the way it seems. If im wrong show
me where, Thank you.

[Linn1]

Any north ammerican legit company now has to deal with region 3 imports.

These mean obsolutely nothing to the US market. Would it be nice if they didn't exist? Sure. But to US companies dealing with old kung fu titles, all that matters is what's in stores or online stores, not releases overseas. The point saleswise is the average consumer in Wal-Mart, Best Buy, etc. There's fans that don't even have a clue they can get region free players for $50 in an average department store,so other regions are the last of a companies worry.

Anyways RedSunDvd is not the only company that are and have been releasing Old School Kung Fu Classics. There are just simply 10-25 other companies that have been doing it for so many years and years .. Without them i would have never seen any of those movies either.

I was there and what happened years ago with people selling boots at conventions, in the backs of magazines, at fleamarkets, etc. are nothing compared to today. That was such a small piece of the pie that it didn't matter. But when bootleggars are releasing films that legit companies are poised to put out or release films they find out companies are interested in, simply to gut the market, why support that? You simply make sure fans won't see those or other films. If you want to see a film, do what the fans did back then, trade for it.

Without these (admitedly unlicensed, lost proprietorship, regionally defunct) copies of these movies being put in circulation through out the years this forum would not even exist except for a thread or two on Bruce Lee. These copies of the movies are the ones that made you. Where you so pro Legit back then? NOPE


Since your new to the forum, it's clear you don't know the background here. I'm not pro-legit as much as I'm pro-fan. I have no problem with people trading or even selling copies of old tapes that are out of print. I have no problem with fans trading or creating anything they want from existing materials be it newly remastered films or what not. IF a fan created a "collectors" version of Thundering Mantis with the complete uncut ending, I'd love to see it. What I'm not in favor of: bootleggars that enter the legit US DVD market that want to cheat the fan out of their money, cheat fans out of their work, or cheat fans of future REAL releases of the films we all love. There is a titantic leap from the boots we bought at conventions back in the day, and boots that are being sold in legit stores online and at brick and morter locations. Let alone deals made with rental companies like Blockbuster and the like. When a movie can be bootlegged and show up in a Best Buy or other store, thus making sure that store won't carry that title again for at least three or four years in some cases, that's the problem here. When a bootleg company can put out a dvd and have it in store selling for seven dollars; but a legit company can't get in the same store selling legit $12 DVDs of titles they've hunted down the rights for, the materials, remastered, etc., that's also a problem.

If these people are such Criminals dont you think it would have stopped by now, you drag your angry thoughts all over this company to "Quicken the release of Legit Releases" Yeah. like im going to wait 3 or 5 ,6 ,7 years.

Umm...when you say that you have to wait three to five years for a release, you do you realize who's to blame for that? Three years ago, the US was supposed to get a slew of remastered Golden Harvest releases. We didn't. Why? Because suddenly the marketplace was flooded with old bootlegs of the Angela Mao films, the backbone of the proposed collection. When Celestial announced they had the Shaw Brothers films over four years ago, the US was supposed to be the first market to have these movies, instead we're the last. Reason? A combo of Celestial's early unreasonable business practices and Xenon flooding Best Buy, Media Play, Tower Records, etc with bootlegs of the most popular films. Just a year later, and Celestial could barely give away the films to the US market because the marketplace had been ruined. They then signed a crappy deal with Merryaxe largely because they couldn't find a taker anywhere else. Or how about when a collection of Jimmy Wang Yu films (four to start, later eight in all) that were set to be released just a couple of years ago.A bootleggar was given a legit job with the company, only to turn around and bootleg all their upcoming projects. This caused the company to turn away from kung fu films all together. How about a Joseph Kou collection three years ago? A three disc set of the 18 Bronzemen films housed in a giant golden Shaolin door case. Never going to happen now. Or how about a Bruce Li collection that was coming two years ago? How about all the kung fu films held by Something Weird Video they're setting on that would cost them next to nothing to release? Or Mondo Macabro, who turned down kung fu titles in a lot they bought last year because they were "too hard to get in stores." Or a Hong Kong Legends style label in the US dealing in nothing but classic kung fu films from nearly every studio. Including some classic Taiwanese and Korean kung fu films. At least forty of the films to be put out by this company were never released on video, some never released PERIOD. That was killed just two months ago.

When you say you have to wait for these films there's two reasons why: Bootleggars and the fans that support them. Trust me, DVD companies want your money. They have no reason to keep the films from you. But if the market won't support it, it's not going to happen.

If companies really own the rights to these films how on earth are the EVIL BOOTLEGGERS thriving now more than ever.

Because the legal rights holders (in Taiwan, Korea, Hong Kong) don't know they are being bootlegged or they can't afford to pay legal fees to take someone to court. Until a company in the US actually has the rights to a film, they can't/won't do anything except let the legal rightsholder know they are being booted. This is because they have really no right to do much of anything. What usually happens, is the company doesn't make a deal for the film(s) and they later give up all together. Which is what the bootleggar wants. Most bootleggars get around missing with US rights holders by trolling sights just like this to find out what's coming out before a legit company can get it or put it out. There was a time when I would come on here and tell you guys everything coming out over the next year or so, but companies got burned so much by it, I don't any longer.

As for "let's talk," as anyone on here can tell you, I've talked about this subject BILLIONS of times and pretty much have had the same conversation each time. It ends up something like this: "Fans want their films NOW, and don't care what happens in the future. If a (insert legit company here) wants to put out a (insert Asian studio name here) label in a year, it doesn't matter right now. In the process, fans buy a bunch of (insert Asian studio name here) boots (online, in store, in mall from homeless man who swears they're not boots) and the label doesn't look so hot to (insert legit company here) any longer. They drop the idea and move to (insert genre here) films."

This has happened countless times. Sure there's some things getting released now. But we could have seen FAR more long ago, and we keep losing great chances. I don't expect my posts will help, but I believe in making sure these films get seen and studied because I care about the genre. That's hard to do when seemingly each new label or release are killed before they exit the gate. This is why I actually answer these threads. That said, I don't plan on making another post about this that's this long if I can help it! :)

[dndcollect]

Linn1 is the only dude on here that is anti boot but provides solid factual reasons for it.

all the other guys were like the guidance counceler on south park "boots are bad, ok?" Mr HK Movie for one.

anyway, i cant argue with Linn1 because he knows what he is talking about.

However I do have a point that I would like to see someone give an educated response on:

If the legit companies came out with vastly superior dvd's with all the extras and stuff we want as fans, would that not solve a good part of the problem?

Speaking for myself lets say I buy Red Suns master killer a year ago. If Dragon Dynasty comes out with a better version with the features I want, I will buy it no question, and I think alot of fans are like that. but if Image or DD comes out with a legit version that is not much different than Red Sun, im not going to buy it.

make no mistake, the legit companies are not in it to makes fans happy, they are in it to make money. which is fine, but im not going to feel bad for them. i have yet to see any US company make a real effort to put out what we want, Image included. (sorry Linn, I dont mean any offense)

are there more fans like us than casual fans? i would think so. this isnt star wars, anyone that i have come across has a good knowledge of the genre, or they are thristing for it.

in my experience these movies suck you in. you are either down or you are not. i have never met a casual martial arts movie fan. (but my opnion could be because its just what i have experienced, others may have a different experience)

so honestly until a US company steps up and delivers the goods properly, Im not going to blame bootleggers for all the ills of the industry.

[THE BASTARD]

I have seen the Light all bootleggers are strangling the process of and Killing any hopes for Legit remastered
releases of some films to come foward. They have "clogged" the way and thus there is hesitance and even
pulling out of such venues by Legit Companies looking into these films because there is no place for a Legit
market wherin Legitimate Releases and Remasters of treasured Classics can be seen for a Return...

The fact still remains that the only way we would have been able to see or have knowledge that most of these
films is because of the same (people) bootleggers we suddenly having to turn on in disdain. Catch 22. . .

We still would like to see proper releases yet most all will buy the Bootlegged Copies of movies we want to see.
I still think your pissing in the wind and the front is hopeless but you are right. I only wish i do get to see more
Legit releases. I would kill my next door neighbhoor to see the 18 Bronzemen Trilogy Properly Released, as you
said in a folding 3 Disc set with a Shaolin door etc. . . Hopefully Fortune Star can do that. They seemed to have
been able to parry through the crowd and thrive despite the odds. They are Huge and still losing money but still
have done nothing about it. It seems hopeless but then all i can do is sit back like most everyone and hope that
if i come on one day i will hear some good news. Great to see Secret Rivals 1,2 Remastered. for example...

I would rather buy Legitimate copies of the movies in fact i do as opposed to Redsundvd but then again that
company is THE ONLY PLACE i can get some of the movies period. I have to buy those movies i refuse to
wait Years. Again pissing in the wind Linn!

It's a shame The same people who introduced us to the majority of these films we grew up to love are the
same people we have to NOW push off and abort like a Red Headed Step Child. But i dont see any follow
through on the fans part. It seems to me to ulitmately be a fight won in or out of court by Legit Companies.

If the bootleggar were a person then it would be that person we used to know and love and be thankful for...
but now thumb our nose at and reel at in abhorrence. Yuck! puke! I never knew you i wish i never did.
You traitor spy, you evil man, you Villian Get out of the way... You Bastard how could you... In a way i feel
we owe them, we all do but you are correct they are hampering the future of some very treasured legit releases.

Categorization Breakdown of types of buyers in accordance with OS , NS Kung Fu movies and Bootleggs :

1) Person who does not have a single clue about it, he doesnt even know where his car keys are. %50
2) The person who knows about bootlegging but doesnt care 50%
3) The person who knows and says he cares but really doesnt and will buy it anyways, no matter what he says. %25
4) The person who knows and cares and will never buy a Unlegitimate realease again 0%

[Linn1]

there's TONS of boot sites that don't sell through B&M stores or legit online stores. They often have their own websites and therefore don't "clog" the way for legit releases. The boot stil has it's place in fandom, it's just when it bothers the process of us seeing new releases that it's a problem IMO. Plus there's the traders on this very site that would be more than happy I'm sure.

I would rather buy Legitimate copies of the movies in fact i do as opposed to Redsundvd but then again that company is THE ONLY PLACE i can get some of the movies period.

There's not one film they bootleg that can't be found elsewhere via cash or trade. Ditto for every bootleg outfit. Redsun has copied dvds from others, as others have copied from them.

[killer meteor]

Yeah, the problem is not so much bootlegging but the selling of bootlegs in direct competition with potential legit items in stores. If Red Sun was an online trader or a more exclusive site like Rare Kung Fu Movies, their wouldn't be a problem

[killer meteor]

Whilst we're on the subject, I found it interesting that HK Flix did yield to Tai Seng and stopped selling the bootlegs of their titles but they also stopped selling the legit non-US DVDs of Tai Seng products. I mean, who want's Tai Seng's lousy DVDs of Super Kung Fu Kid and New Dragon Inn when the German and HK DVDs respectivly are far superior

[bobo]

and so the battle rages on. as i and others here have stated time and again--we would gladdly buy legit over boots anyday. BUT (theres always a but) when are these legits going to start hitting the market in force. everybody says wait and be patient. me--i,ve been waiting since the 80s-- i bet right now most of my kungfu collection consist of boots--without them i would have no collection. i haven,t bought a redsun dvd now for almost a year now--BUT (theres that word again) i must admit that they have a number of tittles i want (not just shaws) and i know some of them probably won,t be getting legit releases in the near future if ever. i have bought everyone of IMAGES shaws so far and all the english dub SIRENS shaws. like whats the hold up now of dragondynasty--they,ve changed thier release dates how many times on thier SHAWS and GOLDENHARVEST. serenity now---serenity now:lol

[Linn1]

when are these legits going to start hitting the market in force.

how can you ever expect them to? There's few companies that are "stupid" enough to do any sort of mass release of kung fu films. The few that do, are backed by large studios. And another person was asking something about why don't legit releases have tons of extras, same reason. There's little getting around that the market has been so saturated with boots at every corner that legit releases have very little chance unless they put out films no one has seen before. But then you have the problem of releasing films fans know nothing about. The small cult companies that fans would love to manage these films are running away in droves to release Japanese films or horror pictures.

[Markgway]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

LINN, you're wasting your breath............... :hat

[killer meteor]

If Panmedia were to disapear tomorrow thanks to some big Hollywood lawsuit, and given the state of George Tan's operations, is there a feasibly chance the market would improve. I think legit discs will sell well with fans regardless of the boots but Joe Public is different and the problem is getting them in the damn stores in the first place!

[Robert Ian Teller]

There may be a few cynics in here. But Linn has opened my eyes and I'm sure his words will educate newer fans of the genre. I don't think it would hurt to be a little more patient. Maybe for some, money is no object cause there are a good amount of legit releases out there. Did you guys by them all up or what? Are you fiending at the arm so badly you can't help but hunt for boots?

It is posssible to own hundreds of legit martial arts or original oop titles in your collection without booting or paying bootleggers. I know it's not within everyones resources. But...

[FarEastPirate]

Your wish might come true very soon redsun panmedia will not exist.
I have been looking into real estate options with my money. Probably right after spring as soon as I sell out my remaining stock.

the past 7 years have been fun and IM tired of all this illegal stuff.

I WANT TO SLEEP GOOD AT NIGHT

[killer meteor]

Good luck with the real estate!

[silver hermit]

good luck with that. interesting... a happy ending for once :\
i just hope the IRS don't come for 7 years of tax $

[Markgway]

Real estate? See how much he's made off you guys?

[silver hermit]

FEP question if you made so much why not licence a few rares??

[THE BASTARD]

Real estate? See how much he's made off you guys?

Hey Real Estate is cheap ''low amount of money down'' and not only that SOMETIMES you
can TRICK the customers to pay you first. Another dirty plan.

First the Shaw House and then someone elses?

Just kidding, I feel glad you came around and everyone knows your not leaving Buckaroo
Bonzai. I dont care i hope you stay actually. I can only get some movies from you period.

When if something is ever done then it will be done. Youll know when to ''PULL OUT''

[FarEastPirate]

FEP question if you made so much why not licence a few rares??

The Market is so saturated with Kung Fu that no Corparate store would buy for thier chains. Hell even Steven Biro of unearthed films ran into those problems.

thier is no way i can sell to make even the cost back.
I was aproached by Various companys in Hong Kong to buy Rights and what they do is they dont let you choose . you have to take like for instance 6-7 good ones & 3-4 stinkers.

not worth the trouble or the Effort. Hell world video has tons of Copyrights to Old Skool Kung Fu why dont you guys ask them to release them from original negs.

anyways. Real Estate is a very good way of dumping your money in with no worries.

[Robert Ian Teller]

I had a feeling World Video had a large catalog. But I had no idea they still held the rights. Eagleg used to have a massive list on one of his old sites. But he told me he has since lost it.

I imagine the masters that World Video have are from high end videotapes, like 1" masters or u-matics or something.

Come to think of it who knows what Tai Seng, World Video or whoever Pan-Asia or Rainbow is or used to be have in there collections. My head spins just thinking about a wherehouse full of movies that no one will ever release.

There all on the West Coast to, maybe I'll pay them a visit :rollin

[silver hermit]

FEP i'm glad you didn't just ignore the question


i have a few questions about your statements


"thier is no way i can sell to make even the cost back.
I was aproached by Various companys in Hong Kong to buy Rights and what they do is they dont let you choose . you have to take like for instance 6-7 good ones & 3-4 stinkers."

i think it would be a nice way to give back to companies and fans that supported you in the past. you have made some money off films you did not own so it wouldn't be a loss to you.

[Linn1]

I imagine the masters that World Video have are from high end videotapes, like 1" masters or u-matics or something.

That would be correct. They may have some prints, but I would guess not many.

Come to think of it who knows what Tai Seng, World Video or whoever Pan-Asia or Rainbow is or used to be have in there collections. My head spins just thinking about a wherehouse full of movies that no one will ever release.

In most cases, video companies made their copy and sent the print back to the original production company. This was more for space than anything else ie easier to store tapes than prints.

[teako170]

anyways. Real Estate is a very good way of dumping your money in with no worries. Somebody has been watching too many episodes of "Flip This House." :lol

RE is like any other commodity. It goes up. It goes down. Right now, its going d-d-d-own!

[tai_shin_mun]

I`m happy owner of Red Suns -Chinese Super Ninjas-..It`s otherwise perfect but poor quality and fullscreen bothers me a bit:rolleyes:

[HAZ]

Wow. Long thread.

Just dl your schitt. It's cheaper & using good media will ensure that your dvd's won't die out. There are great fan projects out there to cop, better than what legit companies offer - fan subs can kick ass - I'm finishing up a custom Hot, Cool & Vicious right now. I'm also working on a custom Valient Ones based on Golden Harvest VHS tape. I don't sell any of this stuff, just do it for myself. As for the legit companies, there's so much substandard product out there that I can't be arsed to give them a dime. IVL/Celestials subs read terribly. If they can't be bothered to run their ish through mircosoft word, why should I bother with them? I have a better fan made dvd of Hardboiled than the DD edition. Image DVD's have been by in large crappy & the company insulted Linn by not even using the materials he provided. I'm hoping media blasters fares better, but its not like the legit companies have given us such flawless, quality products that they've earned anyone's patronage. When ever I see a quality product, I'm happy to pay for it, but quality, at least in this genre, is not on ANY companies list of priorities, not Redsun, not dragon dynasty, not celestial/IVL.

[tai_shin_mun]

I`m very happy with celestial releases.Own those almost 200(originals of course,only copied movie I have is "to kill a mastermind),much criticised subs do not bother me at all.Mono sound I complain a bit.
I`m not Mr.PerfectSnob who is checking every little detail of release because grew on time when those films were available on expensive fullscreen import tapes often with so-so quality.or watched 3rd-5th generation copies...ivl has done terrific job releasing rare items so I can`t be bothered to be pissed off if few titles remain unreleased or some minor technical fault.