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Daigoro
03-20-2008, 04:05 AM
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This movie is amongst the worst shaw brothers productions i have ever seen. The bad guy wins in the end , the hero
(Anthony Lau) overestimates his own fighting ability and dies within less than a minute.. his woman dies, even the one
who has betrayed them all gets that old so special finishing touch in the end (stabbed to death by at least 20 men with
spears 40 times). There would not have been much wrong with that as far as film production goes, of course it's not that
often that the bad guy gets away with everything. It wasnt that so much that made me feel like writing, i can assuredly
tell you that it was not because of what this film had to offer. In truth the Bad guy getting away with everything did not
make me stop to a HALT so much as the thought that the script writer got away with even more than your typical bad guy.

The script was a vertibable minefield of ignorance. Let's face it im not reviewing some francis ford copolla classic, (in fact
im not reviewing anything much at all it seems) but i still believe that just about any story can be compelling if it's told by
certain talents. Those people with the brains (gifted individuals) must have stolen "all the good ideas" and made other
films in Hong Kong or spent them out on the town because any wavering, flickering of a hope for something substantial
in this one seemed fluffy, airy, spindly, in other words.. non-existent.

The colorless outline of the hero, let's face it when we first see them we dont know them besides what they try and show
you but you at least expect them to become defined i mean eventually right? Oh, I guess things must have been going so
good they got bad. Usually people relax and all those things that compose an individual (such as consideration and under
-standing) "seem" to recede. Well if this is true whoever wrote this must have been on some vacation.

The fight scenes (what very little of them that were) had even less choreography in them to be noticed than than a dance
at the prom. It really makes you wonder for a moment (forecedly so) if anything really happened at all or was it just some
random scribbling by some unasuming dream dry idiot. Surely this man (on vacation) could have never guessed that 30
yrs later that the film that he wrote would fall under the hammer of my as well as the crude analysis of others so
i will cut him some slack. Onto the choreographers. To top it all of with rotton cherries the fight scenes (again what very
little of them that there were) were all sped up 3 x the amount of normal human speed.

Has anyone ever been a fan of that technique ever. Probably not one man besides the one who started it and the care-
free individuals who followed. I dont often roll my eyes when they roll credits but i did with this one.

In the end i have to tell you this movie was not a total let down but only because there was never anything to set myself up
to believe in it from the beggining. This makes me wonder about the 200 or so + other films celestial rather have passed
to us on VCD or decided not to pass to us at all. Surely there are films within that vault even today that are more deserving
to be released than this. Usually i watch a movie like this to take out my ninja fantasies on and not to imagine in my spare
time some fantasy that i am going to dress up as a Ninja myself & break into the celestial vault to free the rest of the films.

It must have been Passover in Hong Kong when they finally held that last meeting of what films to release, if this is true
this must be a re-visititation, because i seem akin to passing on ideas myself, at least on the idea of ''Usurpers of
Emperors Power"..


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peringaten
03-20-2008, 06:12 AM
Nah, several watches later, I'd have no hesitation putting this right near the top of my Shaw favourites list. Not cause I'm trying to be contrary to popular opinion and go more obscure than the usual lauded efforts or nothing, just really think it is that good. Awesome flick, a proper Shaw highlight. Script, action, direction, acting, all top-notch. Unique. 3:20 onwards of this clip comp, water based mid-film head reap from this classic, for the curious. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPoYyynuUS4)

Brilliant stuff. Don't get cooler than an exploding palanquin/raft based head reaping. Fuck yeah. Love the way that scene is done, pushing action buttons, the shots, edits, for sure the appropriated music use synching to dramatise, etc. Throughout, this film has so much more to offer.

Besides wrungoutedly dissing the writer, etc., you don't really explain what's so bad about it...? Action's expertly put together, undeniably very choreographed, in all terms of action, camerawork, cuts, etc., not just physical movement, which is of course very choreographed/stage directed. How can you not see this? ...regardless any cranking (it's not that cranked either, other Shaw films plenty more so, Lu Chin Ku's for example). Negative spins on outcomes rock, don't make a film bad, just different (as implied partially above, I guess). Work uniquely positive for this film, I reckon. Forget about your writing style and the way you come across here, and let's chat this film proper then. No unsubstantiated dissing of the flick or trying to be funny, let's get some proper critical constructive chat going... Start with the plot... What's wrong with it? Besides diversifying to push a few extremities of the imagination with exploding palanquins and the like (very much intentionally), which some into more realistic shenanigans might be allergic too, I guess... I'll get more into chatting it, when I ain't gotta run to work...

Yang Wu Liang
03-20-2008, 07:43 AM
Actually I agree with Peringaten. I think these later Shaws swordplays rock.

vengeanceofhumanlanterns
03-20-2008, 09:09 AM
I can't stand undercranking (sped up fight scenes
) in these films. It just destroys any sense of realism. Even for fantastical yarns. I've still put this off. And assume it'll be sitting on my shelf of things to do for sometime.

gravedigger666
03-20-2008, 09:57 AM
I have not seen this but if daigoros story is accurate,not much interested either.I have very big problem with speeded up fights and often messy storylines(that applies to many chu yuan films).However I think this one can`t be as bad as "journey of the doomed" which gets my vote of worst shaw film ever seen.

Tosh
03-20-2008, 01:15 PM
Regardless of how much you didn't like it thanks for ruining the fkn ending for those who haven't seen it yet.:mad:

This is a fanasy Wuxia movie?

venoms5
03-20-2008, 07:06 PM
I did a review for this in the review section and yeah, it's a fantasy swordplay film with some historical significance behind the fantastical touches. The DVD is cut, too. The LD is cut in the same spots. Don't know what exactly is cut in terms of shots, but the music jumps are a giveaway. Great film, BTW. Especially the opening sequence leading up to the shot where Liu Yung exits the home out into the snow. Beautifully orchestrated by Hua Shan who seemed more at home with exploitation material and he delivers some of that here, too. After seeing the film several times now, I see why the original title is MYSTERY UNDER THE CANDLELIGHT. USURPERS works better as a title though to sell the action. And Liu Yung fights for more than a minute at the end. He kills several dozen guys and fights with Chao Kuo nearly killing him before Lung Tien Sheng shows up.

ironfistedmonk
03-20-2008, 10:22 PM
I have very different taste to Peringaten but I liked this movie too, the ending is totally against the norm for a kung fu/action movie (Now that you have given it away I guess I can talk about it lol) I honestly can't think of another KF film where the bad guy wins, and its a total victory too. I hate sped up action but this wasn't too bad, the story was alright for a KF film, better than 99% of the KF comedies out there. Of the people who have seen the film and commentated in this thread you appear to be the only one who doesn't like it Daigoro!

will91XingYu
03-20-2008, 11:32 PM
Thanks for ruining all the twists daigaro! Chiu Gwok is in this he is one unused talent! He is a real hung gar master!

venoms5
03-21-2008, 04:18 AM
The downer ending shouldn't come as a shock as a large number of Shaw movies have downbeat endings.

Drunken Monk
03-24-2008, 05:38 PM
3:20 onwards of this clip comp, water based mid-film head reap from this classic, for the curious. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPoYyynuUS4)


That's one of the most enjoyable youtube clips I've ever viewed. What is the name of the movie 26 seconds in with the guy getting his head kicked off?
In fact, is there a compiled list of all movies in this video?

ironfistedmonk
03-24-2008, 07:02 PM
The head kick scene is from 10 Tigers of Kwantung

will91XingYu
03-24-2008, 07:37 PM
No worries Daigero, i was only joking! thanks for review! That video is awesome, best one was Super Ninjas when Chan Wai Man gets ripped in half!

ironfistedmonk
03-24-2008, 08:57 PM
Drunken Monk, I've had a quick look at that Money Shots youtube clip, here's the films I think all the clips come from. I'm just going from memory and it's been a few years since I've seen some of these so if any of them are wrong please someone correct me

1 Heroes of Sung
2 A Call to Arms
3 10 Tigers of Kwantung
4 Tales of a Eunuch
5 Oath of Death
6 Thunderbolt Fist
7 The Condemned
8 Secret Service of the Imperial Court
9 Usurpers of Emperors Power
10 Disciples of the 36th Chamber
11 2 Champions of Shaolin
12 Lady Assassin
13 One of the Brave Archers, I think its Brave Archer and His Mate
14 Devils Mirror
15 What Price Honesty
16 Flying Guillotine
17 5 Element Ninja

Chen Kuan Tai
03-25-2008, 02:09 AM
Thanks, is there another trailer because it's called "money shots 1.". Can't find another with 2. or similar. I like this trailer cutting. Hope we will se more. :)

Drunken Monk
03-25-2008, 08:57 PM
Drunken Monk, I've had a quick look at that Money Shots youtube clip, here's the films I think all the clips come from. I'm just going from memory and it's been a few years since I've seen some of these so if any of them are wrong please someone correct me

1 Heroes of Sung
2 A Call to Arms
3 10 Tigers of Kwantung
4 Tales of a Eunuch
5 Oath of Death
6 Thunderbolt Fist
7 The Condemned
8 Secret Service of the Imperial Court
9 Usurpers of Emperors Power
10 Disciples of the 36th Chamber
11 2 Champions of Shaolin
12 Lady Assassin
13 One of the Brave Archers, I think its Brave Archer and His Mate
14 Devils Mirror
15 What Price Honesty
16 Flying Guillotine
17 5 Element Ninja

Thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time out.

bubbabgone
03-26-2008, 06:54 PM
Just got around to this one last night. It was a big fat pleasant surprise for me. I put it almost up there with another big fat pleasant surprise Secret Service Of The Imperial Court.

The fights were a bit episodic and the cranking was used in strange places (sometimes not even during a fight) but I too really liked the film.

The same things that didn't appeal to others is what appealed to me.
e.g. What happened to the characters, who survived, and the ultimate resolution.