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Alex
04-15-2008, 05:36 PM
Before I get into the details, I'll say that this set is without a doubt worth picking up for Chiba fans. Some of the stuff below will sound disparaging, so keep this in mind.

Soul of Chiba (soul of Bruce Lee)- this is a list of reasons to love this one:

1. Chiba vs the monkey dudes which really is one of the best fight scenes he ever shot
2. Chiba literally eating handfuls of heroin throughout
3. Bronson Lee with a fake Fumanchu mustache
4. Bolo!!!!! (and subsequently Bronson Lee vs Bolo)
5. The wire contraption on the cover actually plays a pretty significant role, and makes for a hilarious training scene
6. An ending so depressing it makes Grand Silencio look like It's a Wonderful Life
7. An overall vibe of a movie made by Robert Tai on a PCP binge in a desparate scramble to pay off his coke dealer or something Al Adamson made in the Phillipines as a tax write off

It's cheap, fast, fun, trashy action packed goodness.

Now for the bad news: Fighting Fist just flat out sucks. Chiba is in it for what barely amounts to a cameo, and he does not fight. If I read the credits correctly he actually directed this (HKflix doesn't agree), which makes me glad he stayed in front of the camera in the more fruitful days of his carreer. The plot is about 90% standart HK 80s action and 10% Japanese Karate flick, although neither part is realized to anything resembling its true potential. The talents of the main actors are woefully misused, in fact there's very little action here at all. Sibelle Hu doesn't fight at all, Chin Kar-lok dies in the first 10 minutes without ever throwing a punch, Ken Lo's sequences are short and terribly edited. The protagonist, whom I vaguely recognize as the Sonada lookalike from either Ninjas and Dragons or Shogun's Shadow, is clearly a gifted kicker but is given very little to do. Whatever miniscule amount of action is here is edited terribly and for some reason looks very stilted. The final showdown, which I expected to be the saving grace, can be in the dictionary under anti-climatic. All this could have been somewhat overlooked if the film offered anything interesting in terms of plot, acting or even exploitative value - unfortunately this is not the case. There are only two moments that I genuinly enjoyed, the first being a short demonstration a Karate master gives his students and the second being Lo kicking really high with spurs to cut off Kar-Lok's ears.

Honestly, it seems like Rarescope only released this based on its obscurity, because there's very little to redeem it otherwise. Sometimes things fall from memory for a good reason, this is one of those times.

Bottom line: it's a cheap release, so get this for Soul of Chiba, it's not his best but it's still a riot. And since you already bought it, and if perhaps you're a masochistic completist, you might as well check out the other one as well.

Yakuza954
04-15-2008, 10:47 PM
Aw damn, I was hoping Fighting Fist would be good so it'd be worth picking up this disk. With the exception of Soul of Chiba, it's a shame Chiba never had the same kind of success as Kurata did in his Chinese productions.

Morgoth Bauglir
04-15-2008, 10:55 PM
Dang, I also was hoping Fighting Fist was good. Thanks for the review

Alex
04-16-2008, 06:02 PM
Yeah it's a shame, the disc is only worth it for Soul of Chiba. This is the only widescreen release of it as far as I know, which is why I recommended it.

LoBo
04-16-2008, 06:13 PM
Here`s what i thought of it:



I saw Fighting Fist. I think it was a very poor film. Chiba was only on screen 2-3 min. He did not fight at all. The picture quality was not so good. This film looked like it was a low-budget film. I think it had a terrible plot also.


On the back cover it says: Please note: Every effort has been made to find the best possible source material for this dvd. Unfortunately, these films has been lost for many years and these discovered prints are the only known surviving elements available.





In Soul Of Chiba. When you get to the menu, you can choose between the English Version which was 5 min shorter than the Japanese version which you can also choose.

The picture quality was worse than Fighting Fist . Sometimes the colours was bleeding. Throughout the film it had some scratches and hissing if you had the volume high. I liked this film better than FF. But, i don`t think it was the best Chiba film i`ve seen.


Sonny had some good fight scenes with cool slow-motion. I didn`t care much for the plot. This version also was cropped. Which means some of the image is missing. That was evident in some of the fight scenes. It was very annoying. They used too much of close ups during the fights also, which in my opinion ruined it. I don`t think i have anything more to say about it.
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Yakuza954
04-16-2008, 07:54 PM
So is Soul Chiba wide screen or cropped? And what are the extra 5 minutes in the Japanese version?

Killer Meteor
04-17-2008, 08:14 AM
Cramped close-ups doesn't mean its been cropped. SOme of the Chibas go for extreme, disjointed close ups. is this release 2.35:1?

LoBo
04-17-2008, 12:06 PM
I don`t know what is cut in the English version, since i only saw the Japanese. I saw a bit of English and noticed it was 5 min shorter than the other.

It certainly looked like some of the image was missing.
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Alex
04-17-2008, 06:07 PM
Cramped close-ups doesn't mean its been cropped. SOme of the Chibas go for extreme, disjointed close ups. is this release 2.35:1?

that's exactly what it was

not sure if it's 2:35, i don't think so though

As far as picture quality, it's standard Rarescope stuff. Considering how cheap the disc is and the fact that this is the closest to the correct OAR version that has been out so far, I really don't mind it.

Morgoth Bauglir
06-05-2008, 06:19 AM
I just got done watching Soul of Chiba. Horrible movie, but damn good fight scenes. I especially liked Bronson Lee vs Bolo. I watched the Japanese version because it's longer, and the picture quality is realy horrible. I decided to check the English version to see if the pic quality is any better, and to my surprise it's WAY better. I only watched the first 30 seconds or so, but the dub sounds good. I have a feeling I'm gonna like this movie a lot more watching the English version.

Morgoth Bauglir
06-05-2008, 07:29 AM
I just watched the English version and fast forwarded to all the fights, and in Bolo's fight he sounds like he's puking the whole time. lol!!

oldeschool17
06-05-2008, 07:12 PM
I just got done watching Soul of Chiba. Horrible movie, but damn good fight scenes. I especially liked Bronson Lee vs Bolo. I watched the Japanese version because it's longer, and the picture quality is realy horrible. I decided to check the English version to see if the pic quality is any better, and to my surprise it's WAY better. I only watched the first 30 seconds or so, but the dub sounds good. I have a feeling I'm gonna like this movie a lot more watching the English version.
But you always like the english versions:D

Morgoth Bauglir
06-06-2008, 12:28 AM
For old kung fu movies I like the English dub the best about 75% of the time. For new movies it's 0%. Some dub jobs are just really bad. I can't see anyone liking them. Like Amsterdam connection. But with Soul of Chiba the English version was definitely more enjoyable because of the picture quality and because it was slightly widescreen. Plus with a movie like this I doubt they spent much time on any of the dubs.

Markgway
06-07-2008, 10:41 AM
I think FIGHTING FIST is a HK-Japanese co-production.

It's possible that Sonny Chiba may have directed some of the Japanese sequences or footage exclusive to the Japanese version, which has a different title.

Only seen the HK cut and that was a while ago.