Human Lanterns may be uncut

[gfanikf]

well Image at least will be showing something different from the IVL, but maybe its just the transfer Momentum got.

Swordplay, savagery and blood-chilling thrills reign supreme in this outrageous mixture of martial arts and the macabre from Shaw Brothers! Two rivals, one rich and the other poor, enter an unholy pact to win an annual lantern-creating contest in their village; however, the terrifying secret behind their remarkable creations lies within the supple flesh of local maidens, who are disappearing at the hands of a demonic assailant! Now featuring shocking scenes too extreme for its Asian DVD release, this unflinching action-horror masterpiece is now finally available to American audiences to enjoy full strength and full throttle!


Its from the Image website

[oldeschool17]

well Image at least will be showing something different from the IVL, but maybe its just the transfer Momentum got.



Its from the Image website
I think a comparison is in order when this drops in June. Does anybody know of the actual differences between the IVL and Momentum release?

[chen lung]

Cut Details (http://adg.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=48), but I think it's still going be based around the 2nd new version (with possible frame-cuts) and miss those 25 seconds seeing it's doubtful Celestial will put it through the rounds a third time.

Unless it's composited together with the two?

[oldeschool17]

Cut Details (http://adg.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=48), but I think it's still going be based around the 2nd new version (with possible frame-cuts) and miss those 25 seconds seeing it's doubtful Celestial will put it through the rounds a third time.

Unless it's composited together with the two?
well the momentum version has more scenes intact than the IVL, so thats a plus but a shame they couldnt just include all of the damn movie. Why IVL or Momentum felt the need to cut this is beyond me.

[venoms5]

well the momentum version has more scenes intact than the IVL, so thats a plus but a shame they couldnt just include all of the damn movie. Why IVL or Momentum felt the need to cut this is beyond me.

IVL cut nothing. All the other boots floating around of this movie were the same as what was restored by Celestial for the Asian market.

[oldeschool17]

IVL cut nothing. All the other boots floating around of this movie were the same as what was restored by Celestial for the Asian market.
hmm, well then i dunno. :D

[Kwok Choi]

Oldschool17 has a valid point.Compare the Momentum Asia copy of Human Lanterns to the IVL version.

[chen lung]

Oldschool17 has a valid point.Compare the Momentum Asia copy of Human Lanterns to the IVL version.
I think it was spannick who compared those in my link.

Is this quite a violent film?

[venoms5]

Oldschool17 has a valid point.Compare the Momentum Asia copy of Human Lanterns to the IVL version.

There's differences between the two because the IVL is the DVD released for the Asian market. There were two different boots of HUMAN LANTERNS floating around and both are the exact same to the IVL DVD.

Just like WATER MARGIN with the added sex scene for the US version at the behest of Roger Corman. Just because a scene is missing from a certain movie doesn't necessarily mean it was 'cut' as different versions are created for different markets.

[David Rees]

The UK release is great quality apart from it being non-anamorphic which is absurd in this day and age.


Get into High Definition..Bargains here! (http://www.highdefbargains.co.uk)

[gfanikf]

The UK release is great quality apart from it being non-anamorphic which is absurd in this day and age.


Get into High Definition..Bargains here! (http://www.highdefbargains.co.uk)

Well not if say Celestial only sent them a non-anamorphic transfer and they only had fake ones.

[Killer Meteor]

I don't know. Momentum got a non-anamorphic Spirtual Boxer, whilst Siren got an anamorphic one.

I think Momentum got non-anamorphic regardless of what everyone else got. I expect you have to specify non-anamorphic in the contract

[gfanikf]

I don't know. Momentum got a non-anamorphic Spirtual Boxer, whilst Siren got an anamorphic one.

I think Momentum got non-anamorphic regardless of what everyone else got. I expect you have to specify non-anamorphic in the contract

Was Siren's a really anamorhpic transfer or a blow up?

[Killer Meteor]

Siren's deal was to get anamorphic where Celestial had it. Since this was prior to the HD masters, Celestial only offered some titles in non-anamorphic - I guess IVL made everything anamorphic themselves, as did the Germans

Momentum got non-anamorphic regardless which suggests they didn't specify it. Siren's Spiritual Boxer is genuine anamorphic

All rather silly really

[Kwok Choi]

There's differences between the two because the IVL is the DVD released for the Asian market. There were two different boots of HUMAN LANTERNS floating around and both are the exact same to the IVL DVD.

Just like WATER MARGIN with the added sex scene for the US version at the behest of Roger Corman. Just because a scene is missing from a certain movie doesn't necessarily mean it was 'cut' as different versions are created for different markets.

Although Celestial might not have cut the related scenes themselves per se the point is the uncertainty whether the IVL DVD release was the same theatrical cut shown in Hong Kong or Taiwan.
The fact that Momentum Asia got the most complete version to date raises eyebrows though there are rumours that a fully uncut version will eventually be released in the United States.It will also be good to know the origins of the two different versions identical to the IVL DVD release and their major differences.

[spannick]

http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=2230

cuts compared in German, with Screengrabs.
the cut at 24:22 is missing in the UK, French, German DVD, all other Scenes are missing in the HK DVD.

[Killer Meteor]

Why is the longer version missing a scene?

[magicpoe]

Just found this on YouTube today

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I have the IVL and Momentum releases and this is not on either one of them. Oh if only Image would include this.

[HAZ]

If all the footage is available on DVD, can't someone make a working print?

[DrunkenMantis13]

If Image releases the same version as Momentum, i'll be happy as long as it's Anamorphic. But if they manage to release a full uncut (which means at least all footage of the 2 available Celestial releases) copy, i'll probably wear out the DVD in a couple weeks! ;)

I just doubt it. I'm sure it will be the Momentum cut...

[chen lung]

HK Flix (http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.546448/qx/details.htm) state in their SF section: 'The Skin Peel Scene (Alternative Take)' in an annoying attempt to pass it off as not being in the actual film when it should be (probably one of those bitchy situations Celestial are known for), even though the DVD has all the footage.

[gravedigger666]

Awesome movie..vengeful,insane lanternmaker is one of most memorable characters ever.some great fights too,I bet lo lieh was doubled in some of those more acrobatic movements:confused:

[oldeschool17]

Awesome movie..vengeful,insane lanternmaker is one of most memorable characters ever.some great fights too,I bet lo lieh was doubled in some of those more acrobatic movements:confused:
Hate to break your heart but stars like Ku Feng, Ti Lung, Fu Sheng, Chen Kuan Tai, David Chiang, Wong Chung, Yueh Hua, Wang Yu, Derek Yee, Wang Lung Wei, etc have body doubles for acrobatic moves.

[Markgway]

The HK Flix listing says this: "Now featuring shocking scenes too extreme for its Asian DVD release, this unflinching action-horror masterpiece is now finally available to American audiences to enjoy full strength and full throttle!".

[oldeschool17]

The HK Flix listing says this: "Now featuring shocking scenes too extreme for its Asian DVD release, this unflinching action-horror masterpiece is now finally available to American audiences to enjoy full strength and full throttle!".
Still leaves room for interpretation based on that hype. Watch it just be a momentum port

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

I just cannot wait to pick up this flick at Best Buy of all places. hmhmhmhmhm... yes! I hope its all Markgay. Oops Markgway's, only razzin ya Mark, finding on it actually is the case. i f@ckin love this film. i really hope the english subs have been re-translated.

[magicpoe]

I received an email from Deepdiscount that my copy of Human Lanterns shipped today. If others here also purchased from them, yours should be on the way soon.

[razorclam]

I got mine today at Best Buy. The one located near Citrus Park Mall in Tampa tends to put out small releases early. I quickly check a couple things for everyone.

1 - No English Dub
2 - Subtitles seem much better than region 3 version
3 - The alternate skinning is the tame version and gory version is in the movie. Tanny's rape scene is also in the movie.

I hope this helps.

[magicpoe]

That's a big help. Thank you. Also, would you confirm if it's anamorphic or not?

I got mine today at Best Buy. The one located near Citrus Park Mall in Tampa tends to put out small releases early. I quickly check a couple things for everyone.

1 - No English Dub
2 - Subtitles seem much better than region 3 version
3 - The alternate skinning is the tame version and gory version is in the movie. Tanny's rape scene is also in the movie.

I hope this helps.

[Winfred]

Please compare this with the UK Momentum version. Thanks.

[razorclam]

I don't have the Momentum disc. I'm not a tech geek, but it looked pretty good on a 40 inch Bravia. It had black bars on top and bottom. I couldn't tell you if it is truly anamorphic. I had one problem. When an image is moving fast on screen it has a flicker. These guys probably will never get one of these perfect. The guys at Image couldn't find their way out sleeping bag with a flashlight.

That said the extra footage and superior subtitles make this a must own disc.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Thanks for the info that you got it at BB razorclam. I checked yesterday and they didn't have it, but today my impatience paid off. I can't wait to finally see this.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Just got done watching it. Damn that was awesome.

[Winfred]

No complaints about picture quality?

[Morgoth Bauglir]

It's not as good as Dragon Dynasty or Media Blasters, but no complaints from me.

[Killer Meteor]

It's not as good as Dragon Dynasty or Media Blasters, but no complaints from me.

Well the other guy mentioned flicker, which means it interlaced and probably time-stretched

Don#t throw away your Momentums yet

[Winfred]

I was about to. Thanks for the warning!

[mistertpitydafoo]

I hope you don't mean throw away as in actually throwing away cuz thats just CRAZY!

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

Winfred, there are certain films where one should keep all versions, this unique flick is definitely one of them. I do possess all (I believe) 4 versions of this film and Momentum's (while worth keeping) isn't so more important than any of the others. My first version (beat up bootleg) has the best english translations/the boot that the first 20 mins or so cuts out into blanck blue screen with only audio throughout is my favorite eng subs version. Winfred, I was very pleased with Image's re-translated version, and the picture quality is crystal clear. Absolutey no complaints here about Image's release of Human (Skin) Lanterns.

[The Running Man]

3 - The alternate skinning is the tame version and gory version is in the movie. Tanny's rape scene is also in the movie.

Does that mean the version on this disc is uncut?

[chen lung]

How about the transfer? Are the subtitles really retranslated, or just fixed up in grammar errors, etc?

[The Running Man]

Transfer ain't so hot.

It's got the extra from the French disc though. This is the second time that I know of Image doing this. First being with Intimate Confessions of a Chinese Courtesan. Interesting deal they have with them. Weird how they didn't also use the extra from the IVL releases of Courtesan, but I digress...

I don't have the IVL release to compare, but I doubt it's retranslated as there are still some dumbed down moments. It's most likely just a tidy up of the grammar and making sentences read more fluently like Image has always done. Nice surprise to see that it also includes Spanish subs on both the feature and extra (the latter of which is rare for a non-major US company to do). First Image release to do so. Cool for Spanish speakings fans especially if this release is uncut.

Which is what I would like confirmed. :D Member razorclam said that the alternate version of the scene is tamer than the one in the movie itself. So does this mean this disc is uncut?

[Kung Foolery]

Well the other guy mentioned flicker, which means it interlaced and probably time-stretched

Don#t throw away your Momentums yet

Okay so how bad is this interlacing? I do not have a hi-def tv yet (will soon) so I dont know how these look compared to a standard def tv.

Is this interlacing really that big of an issue?

The action scenes on my old 480i tv look fine.

How bad will they look on 720p/1080p tv? Really bad?

[The Running Man]

It's not really an issue of interlacing. Media Blaster's Heroes Two is interlaced and it doesn't look anywhere near as bad as Image's stuff. It's an issue of the source of Image's video and in these cases they are just poor PAL to NTSC speed transfers.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

I said it's re-translated. Got that! If you had the differing regions you'd know. I guess Running Man then you don't know what your talking about in regards to the different versions of this flick hugh? I said they're re-translated and they are. When you figure it out by experience let me know.

[The Running Man]

Ummm....yeah. You need to calm down.

Me not knowing about the different versions of the film? Yeah, I already pointed that out by stating earlier, "I don't have the IVL release to compare" and by asking twice if the release is truly uncut.

And nowhere in the message did I state for a fact that the subtitles were not retranslated, because of what I said before. I said as clear as day, "I doubt it's retranslated as there are still some dumbed down moments. It's most likely just a tidy up of the grammar and making sentences read more fluently like Image has always done." And that's me talking about them using the Celestial subtitles as a base, which they have done before.

Hopefully this message reaches you before you go into a bizarre geek apesh!t and totally lose control of your bowel movements.



P.S.
With that piss poor attitude, vengeanceofhumanlanterns is a moderator here? :confused:

[Tosh]

P.S.
With that piss poor attitude, vengeanceofhumanlanterns is a moderator here? :confused:

Lol, your one to talk, sorry but you should be the last person on here to call anyone out on a piss poor attitude:rolleyes:

[The Running Man]

People that go haywire on the internet over nothing isn't my fault.

And that has nothing to do with this. vengeanceofhumanlanterns is a moderator and he gave that kind of a bizarre reply out of nowhere. That kind of person should be the last one to be a moderator.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

If they've changed the translations at all for the eng subs they were redone. They don't just do spot retranslations. In fact, if you knew the difference betweem Celestial and Image's versions you wouldn't have ever made the remark. Your right, I was stressed out when I replied to you, but you should try to be a little more sure of that which you speak at times. Peace bro.

[The Running Man]

If they've changed the translations at all for the eng subs they were redone.

That's different than a "retranslation".

And in terms of being "a little more sure of that which you speak at times", I wrote what I wrote from what I had in front of me and I wrote that fact as clear as day. And that was that, "I doubt it's retranslated as there are still some dumbed down moments. It's most likely just a tidy up of the grammar and making sentences read more fluently like Image has always done."

Just take it easy man. :)

[Delirious]

After reading all the high praises by board members I just picked up my copy at local Best Buy. Will try to watch it tonight. Also I am glad everything was sorted out between Runningman and Vengeanceofhumanlanterns, it truly shows the exceptional maturity of our forum.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

I'm just glad this didn't turn into one of those threads where Running Man quotes like 10 different sentences from somebody and comments on each one. Man that gets annoying. I think you make too big a deal out of things sometimes Running Man. If you think somebody is angry in their post, try to turn it into something positive, or at least try not to react to the negativity. Just my 2 cents... And I'm not pointing this out because I don't like you or something, because you are a pretty cool guy.

[Markgway]

Lol @ the fact that no one seems to know if the Image DVD is uncut. And you guys call yourselves experts... ;)

[HAZ]

Lol @ the fact that no one seems to know if the Image DVD is uncut. And you guys call yourselves experts... ;)

Haha!

[magicpoe]

I have both the IVL(REGION 3) and Momentum Asia(REGION 2) versions. My copy of the Image Entertainment(REGION 1) version is on the way. As soon as I have it and watch it I'll post here on what cut it is. Unless someone else does that before me.

[The Running Man]

I think you make too big a deal out of things sometimes Running Man.

That's actually what I am thinking about you right now. The issue's been dealt with already but yet you continue to dwell on it and bring up stuff that has nothing to do with it on top of it.

Now THAT'S annoying.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

There's not too much cut out of it as far as I can tell. I've watched it 3 or 4 times now and I'm not missin much. Cheers to Image on this release.

[HAZ]

I'm just glad this didn't turn into one of those threads where Running Man quotes like 10 different sentences from somebody and comments on each one.

Wait, the day is still young.

Man that gets annoying.

I agree.

I think you make too big a deal out of things sometimes Running Man.

Uh-oh, now you're asking for it...

If you think somebody is angry in their post, try to turn it into something positive, or at least try not to react to the negativity.

Amitabha.

Just my 2 cents...

Are you sure about that? I mean, was that only 2 cents? I take issue with that expression.

And I'm not pointing this out because I don't like you or something, because you are a pretty cool guy.

I'm going to have soup for lunch.

[The Running Man]

Hey HAZ, I sent you a PM a while back. :) Can you check it?

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Are you sure about that? I mean, was that only 2 cents? I take issue with that expression.




Well next time it's only going to be 1 cent:D

[Morgoth Bauglir]

That's actually what I am thinking about you right now. The issue's been dealt with already but yet you continue to dwell on it and bring up stuff that has nothing to do with it on top of it.

Now THAT'S annoying.

You are the one who overreacted to humanlantern's post. Not me. I can comment on it if I feel like, this is an open forum. You were still telling humanlanterns to calm down, and there was no need to continue to say stuff like that when humanlanterns was already completely calm. And BTW, YOU continued this, and now I am continuing it further with you:D

[The Running Man]

You are the one who overreacted to humanlantern's post. Not me.

No. He was the one who over reacted. And he apologized for it. End of.

I can comment on it if I feel like, this is an open forum.

Great attitude to have. Way to set an example. "I'm gonna stir stuff up because I feel like." And then you want to talk about spreading positivity. :rolleyes:

You were still telling humanlanterns to calm down, and there was no need to continue to say stuff like that when humanlanterns was already completely calm.

Umm... People tell that to each other all the time when they say goodbye to each other. "Just take it easy man". "Yeah man, you too".

And BTW, YOU continued this, and now I am continuing it further with you

Continued this? There was nothing between us until you decided to start something.

And with that fact, do the thread a favor and just stop it here. We were talking about this DVD and that's all what this thread should be about. Let's not get things messy in here okay?


So let's recap:

With the information that has been established earlier in mind, is the Image DVD 100% uncut?

[Morgoth Bauglir]

You responded to my post. that is called continuing it. And I didn't stir things up, I was responding to your overreaction in a calm manner. You are the one who stired things up by overreacting to humanlanterns post. Anything else you need me to clarify for you, or do you think you can just go back and read it yourself?

[The Running Man]

You responded to my post. that is called continuing it.

You started with me about something that was taking care of already. That is called "stirring things up".

I was responding to your overreaction in a calm manner.

There was no over-reaction by me. His post was inappropriate in how he wrote it. He realized that and apologized. That demonstrates he is a big boy and doesn't need your help to decide on things.

You are the one who stired things up by overreacting to humanlanterns post.

Yup. My post was so out of line, that it lead to an apology from him and smiley by me. :rolleyes:

Go do something else with your free time Morgoth. Don't continue to pollute the thread because you're bored.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

I don't care if you don't think you overreacted. You did. But whatever makes you feel better:rolleyes:

[The Running Man]

So is this disc 100% uncut? :)

[chen lung]

If it's uncut, then Image should have noted it was reinstated as opposed to suggesting it was a deleted scene.

Of course, yet to be confirmed.

[magicpoe]

I received my DVD last night in the mail but haven't started my comparison yet. It's on my to do list for tonight.

[Winfred]

Can't wait for Magicpoe's comments.

[Nakadai]

So is this disc 100% uncut? :)

According to Lanterns post, it would appear to be cut slightly. But he wasn't all that clear or sure himself. :/

There's not too much cut out of it as far as I can tell. I've watched it 3 or 4 times now and I'm not missin much. Cheers to Image on this release.

Would it be possible for someone to post a list of all of Images shaw releases thus far?

[Lorenzol]

Would it be possible for someone to post a list of all of Images shaw releases thus far?
- The Bells of Death
- Black Magic
- The Boxer's Omen
- The Cave of the Silken Web
- The Deadly Breaking Sword
- Have Sword Will Travel
- Heaven and Hell
- Human Lanterns
- Intimate Confessions of a Chinese Courtesan
- The Killer Snakes
- Legendary Weapons of China
- The Magic Blade
- The Shadow Whip
- Shaolin Intruders
- Super Inframan
- Vengeance is a Golden Blade
- The Wandering Swordman
- The Water Margin

Upcoming Titles:
- Bats Without Wings
- Corpse Mania
- House of Traps
- Kiss of Death
- Seeding of a Ghost

[Nakadai]

Thank you!!!

I imagine they'll be putting out more boxes, so I can get screwed again like I did with Vengeance Is a Golden Blade.

[David Rees]

Thanks for the list.
Can anyone confirm if they are.
1. Anamorphic
2. Uncut
3. Original Mono Sound
Thanks

[Killer Meteor]

Thanks for the list.
Can anyone confirm if they are.
1. Anamorphic
2. Uncut
3. Original Mono Sound
Thanks

Most are - though Legendary Weapons and Boxer's Omen are in the wrong language - but the interlacing issues on these are so wretchedly awful, becuase Image took the PAL-NTSC versions seen on the HK DVD and strectched them to NTSC speed, making all the conversion flaws all the more evident. Pathetic

[Iron Boat]

I just purchases Images version from DeepDiscount.com. I have the Momemtum version but I am tired of having to deal with the PAL Region 2 encoding. Hopefully this Image version will be my final purchase of Human Lanterns. From reading these posts it appears that nobody really knows what a truly uncut version of the film entails.

[venoms5]

It would be really difficult to say what was "uncut" or not considering the only dupes floating around prior to the IVL dvd were the same as the Celestial restoration. You could say the Image DVD is about as uncut as it's going to get for the time being.

[Markgway]

I think Poe forgot to do his comparsion.

[magicpoe]

No I'm here. Just finished this up tonight and I'll keep it short and sweet because there isn't much to say about this really.

The REGION 1 Image DVD has the EXACT SAME FOOTAGE as the REGION 2 Momentum Asia DVD.

The REGION 1 Image DVD is anamorphic and the sound is original MONO.

My suggestion would be to use the REGION 2 Momentum Asia DVD as the base for a new version. Then, take the footage that is unique to the REGION 3 CELESTIAL DVD version and add it to the REGION 2 base thereby creating a version with all KNOWN footage available.

[Winfred]

Thanks Magicpoe for the comparison.

[deathdealer]

No uncut Human Lanterns....:(

[chen lung]

I believe Celestial must have created two versions:

1st one: PAL non-anamorphic that's on the IVL DVD (only lousily converted to NTSC with ghosting).
2nd one: HD version that's on Momentum and Image. Momentum being better quality because it has no ghosting.

If someone were to obtain both versions from the original master (to gain access, it would have to be a licensed distributor of course, unless it came on the Celestial channel, or maybe a native PAL Aussie DVD was made of the 1st version), they'd make the best version available.

[Killer Meteor]

I believe Celestial must have created two versions:

1st one: PAL non-anamorphic that's on the IVL DVD (only lousily converted to NTSC with ghosting).
2nd one: HD version that's on Momentum and Image. Momentum being better quality because it has no ghosting.

If someone were to obtain both versions from the original master (to gain access, it would have to be a licensed distributor of course, unless it came on the Celestial channel, or maybe a native PAL Aussie DVD was made of the 1st version), they'd make the best version available.

Momentum's is non-anamorphic

[chen lung]

Momentum's is non-anamorphic
They all are. I'm wondering if that includes the HD ones.

If you're talking about the "better source" issue, I've not always been convinced that Image (or any other shitty PAL>NTSC) DVDs are genuine anamorphic. With Momentum, although non-anamorphic, is a far preferable source to salvage from.