Best Chi Kuan Chun Flick

[daTOAD]

Just thinking about my favorite kung fu hero. when i was a kid and watched 5 Masters of Death on Kung Fu Theatre-i was hooked.now of course this was not my first fu flick ,but the one that had the most impact on me[Sundays at 12, all the kids in the neighborhood were glued to USA-we BECAME the 5 Masters-creating our own weapons and using the hand sign the Shaolin heroes used-those were the days]. i loved how CKC wore his braid around his neck[when we played i was always him], this was the coolest thing in the world to me.back then the choreo wasnt even that great[though i wasnt checking for shapes back then], but the movie still stuck to me more than any other and for the most part its because of Chi Kuan Chun. as i later started collecting these films , i found a lot of CKC films[remember when i first saw Eagles Claw--WOW--still prefer him with a braid]and then Green Jade Statuette.By this time i was checking for the choreo-he didnt let me down.i own a few of his movies but always looking for new ones[want Cotton Mill bad]. anybody have a favorite CKC flick? BTW sorry for the long wind, just felt very nostalgic.

[morgoth]

He is really really good in Cottonmill. How do you not have that?

[daTOAD]

cant find it[internet shopping is my last option].

[morgoth]

I think you said that you have a Best Buy in your town. I would see if they could order it for you.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

Green Jade Statuette's gotta be one of his all time best flicks. This flick kicks ass in every department. I just cannot wear this film out.

Chi Kuan Chun is in another excellent film called, The Massive aka Murder Of Murders -the original title actually- this film also includes a great performance by Kam Kong, Lo Lieh, Yeuh Hua, Kao Fei, and The Light In The Dark -what is this guys screen name?

In Eagles Claw vs Butterfly Palm, he does a cameo at the very beginning, with some decent fighting. Have yet to find a good copy of this film though.

Iron Monkey 1977, Chen Kuan Tai's masterpiece, Chi Kuan Chun's great in this film too.

You definitely gotta get Showdown At The Cottonmill. Though some on this forum didn't really care for the flick, this film, before this Rarescope release, was never available in such quality. For $6.99 this lost gem is a steal for sure. You may as well pick up Alomg Came A Tiger as well. Another unique Tommy Lee choreographed film, in which he's the maligned villian as well, the last fight is pretty damned cool IMHO.

[Ivy Ling Po]

I need to get his definitive or quintessential movie but in the correct aspect ratio. Which one shall I pick? Thanks.

[rdenn]

crazy horse intelligent monkey and cottonmill and although he wasnt the lead character in disciples of shaolin i loved his character in it becuase his kung was beyond them all.

[BleuVenom]

I liked alot of his work. What stands out in my mind is The Green Jade Statuette, Showdown At The Cottonmill, The Big Rascal, Eagle's Claw. I've got to rewatch Iron Neck Li and The Massive since it's been awhile. But He's pretty great in mostly anything when he teams up with Fu Sheng. Haven't seen Crazy Horse, Intelligent Monkey yet. Must find that one.

I got my Showdown At The Cottonmill at FYE by Rarescope for 6.99. And I do agree with Vengeance... you have to pick up Along Comes A Tiger. Man, my brother and I used to talk about this movie he was looking for a long time ago and he kept calling it Miracle Man and now I got it years later under this title.

BleuVenom

[Dahnamics]

cotton mill.. then iron monkey was always a classic to me

[Brigadier Chow]

The Big Rascal gets slept on alot, but that movie is Chi's shapes fest, also the girl in it is not a bad fighter either,don't know her name tho. Also Crazy, Intelligent is a fave.

[daTOAD]

anybody seen Iron Neck Li or Beggar of No Equal. saw these titles at a vid store once[they were checked out]. also heard hes done a couple of wuxia.

[Brigadier Chow]

These are both decent flicks. Iron Neck Li has some interesting points on Taiwanese culture and traditions along w/some good fights, but it is not packed w/ action. Beggar is very good also w/ Doris Lung, hard to get a clear print of this tho. Here are some wuxia Chi appeared in:

Bloody Mission
Lone Ninja Warrior
Black Eagles Blade

[ironfistedmonk2003]

Beggars Have No Equal is another good one, Eagles Claw was the film which got me deep into the kung so it will always be a favourite of mine. I have always been partial to Buddhas Palm and Dragon Fist aka Roving Heroes too, Lee Yi Min and Chi Kuan Chun in competition to take out the bad guys, great stuff

[monk sante]

Big Rascal is my favorite, the fights in this film are very good. This film was also directed by Chi Kuan Chun. 8)

[teako170]

I have always been partial to Buddhas Palm and Dragon Fist aka Roving Heroes too,
Lee Yi Min and Chi Kuan Chun in competition to take out the bad guys, great stuff Yeah, great little flick. Really enjoyed this one.

My man is definitely CKC! He's the one who got me interested in pursuing
non-Shaw/GH films and opened up a whole other world of kung.

Unfortunately, I can't narrow it down to only one film but others I like are:
Showdown, Monkey/Horse, Eagle's Claw, Master of Death, Shaolin Red Master.

Anyone seen Snake Shadow, Lama Fist?

http://www.teako170.com/ckc.jpg

[rdenn]

Snake Shadow, Lama Fist

thats with him and ching siu tung, not very good.

[silver hermit]

the only chi kuan chun film i seen that wasn't good was yoga and the kung fu girl.

[Uncle Yu]

I thought he was pretty good in The Ways of Kung Fu.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

Hi Ivy, I don't know anything about correct ratios, but Green Jade Statuette I would have to say I believe is his quintessential film. If not only because it's an all star cast. The film is so well done in all departments of film making, the story, dialogue, character relations and development (there's a few surprises), the fight choreographing is superb.

So:

1st: Green Jade Statuette (hands down the best of his bunch - you can watch this flick over and over again throughout the years and it never loses it's charm or gets old)

2nd: Murder Of Murders aka. The Massive (Tai Seng still has this film in origanal language w/ subs - another all star cast here with excellent story, characters, and fighting)

3rd:Eagles Claw (great Chang Yi as the villian flick)

4th:Showdown At The Cottonmill (A rare casting of Tan Tao Liang as the villian)

[teako170]

Hi Ivy, I don't know anything about correct ratios, but Green Jade Statuette I would have to say I believe is his quintessential film There is a wide version of this over @ falkor's site but most copies floating about are full.

You guys have me intrigued about this Murder Of Murders aka The Massive. Have to look into this.

[chingdog]

I think his top five are:

Green Jade Statuette
Eagle's Claw
Golden Mask
Showdown at Cotton Mill
Shaolin Red Master

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

teako, you will LOVE murder of murders aka, The Massive.

[rdenn]

crazy horse intelligient monkey & cotton mill for me, i loved his character in disciple of shaolin, he was beyond them all on that movie.

[dager in the cotton]

cottonmill
eagles claw
intelligent monkey
eagle fist
Disciples of shaolin

one ofhis best fight sequences was in Eagle claw v butterfly palm,

[justkungfuman]

1.Snake Shadow Lama Fist
2.Crazy Horse Intelligent Monkey
3.Green Jade Statuette
4.Eagle's Claw
5.Beggers Have No Equal

My favorite Shaw Brothers;SHAOLIN MARTIAL ARTS & INVINCIBLE KUNG FU BROTHERS just to name a couple

[rdenn]

what does everyone here think of his performance in drunken monkey ?

[Yakuza954]

My favorite movie of his by far is Shaolin Invincible Guys aka Sandman. I've never seen him or Raymond Lui look better on screen. I used to joke around that Chi Kuan Chun was a poor man's Chen Kuan Tai, but Shaolin Invincible Guys made me change my tune about him.

[monk sante]

I used to joke around that Chi Kuan Chun was a poor man's Chen Kuan Tai, but Shaolin Invincible Guys made me change my tune about him.

SAY WHAT! Chi is nobodys poor man, look at the body on that MoFo! I'm a fan of both actors but CKC rules!

;)

[Barsader]

nice pics Teako170!!

Snake shadow lama mist is O.K.
The top 5's listed are all better IMO

[kungfood]

Chi Kuan-Chun is one of my all-time favorites.
And my favorite of his films are first, his Chang's Film/Shaw films:

Shaolin Martial Arts
Men From the Monastery
Disciples of Shaolin
Shaolin Avengers (essentially a remake of Men From the Monastery)
5 Shaolin Masters
Shaolin Temple
Marco Polo
The Boxer Rebellion

His good independents include:

Showdown at the Cottonmill
The Roving Heroes

He made one independent that co-starred Han Kwok Choy and Wen Hsueh-Erh, and had Chu Tieh-Ho as the villain, but I don't remember the title.

Although I was disappointed by Drunken Monkey, Chi Kuan-Chun himself appears almost ageless. Unlike most of the old-school guys, Chi still looks the same; great. Though the choreography has limited what he can show (fist punches only) in DM and in Seven Swords.

IMO, he and Fu Sheng made THE great 2-man team in their Shaw days.

[AlbertV]

Chi sure made a great villain in Drunken Monkey (2002), where he took on Lau Kar-Leung and Wu Jing.

My favorites of his films are:

Disciples of Shaolin
Eagle's Claw
Golden Mask
Showdown in the Cotton Mill

[Morgoth Bauglir]

After reading this thread awhile back I had to get Green Jade Statuette, and it is awesome just like you guys said. Tommy lee, Chi Kuan Chun and Meng fei are all in top form, and it was nice to see fighting cameos from Lung Fei, Leung Kar Yan and Shan Mao. There are tons of other recognizable faces as well, like Jimmy Lee, Phillip Ko, and Wang Kuan Hsiung. Great movie.

[Monk Sante]

Chi Kuan Chun's performance in "Drunken Monkey" was awesome to say the least. Judging by his physique you know this man still trains hard in his style of Hung Gar Kung Fu. I would like to see him play a villian again against a Wu Jing or Donnie Yen.:cool:

[Morgoth Bauglir]

He also looked great in Seven Swords. Too bad he didn't get more screen time.

[Monk Sante]

He also looked great in Seven Swords. Too bad he didn't get more screen time.

Yeah..............Tsui Hark the swine!:mad:

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Hey, at least he wasn't completely wasted, like Jason Pai Piao. Now that was BS!

[Monk Sante]

Hey, at least he wasn't completely wasted, like Jason Pai Piao. Now that was BS!

True that................I would hate to see what his paycheck looked like when Tsui was passing them out. :rolleyes:

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Well, to be fair, it must have somethign to do with the character. Leung Kar Yan played Pai Paio's character in the Tv series and he didn't get to show off his skills. Sorry to sidetrack this thread. Back to Chi Kuan Chun talk!

Shaolin Red Master- kind of a crappy movie, but awesome fights at the end with Jimmy lee and Tommy Lee. Just don't buy the Videoasia version! It is badly full screen and the final fight is too close up. but maybe it was shot that way in the first place?

[WhiteTiger1]

Well, to be fair, it must have somethign to do with the character. Leung Kar Yan played Pai Paio's character in the Tv series and he didn't get to show off his skills. Sorry to sidetrack this thread. Back to Chi Kuan Chun talk!

Shaolin Red Master- kind of a crappy movie, but awesome fights at the end with Jimmy lee and Tommy Lee. Just don't buy the Videoasia version! It is badly full screen and the final fight is too close up. but maybe it was shot that way in the first place?

Another one I need to check out again, can't remember if full screen or Wide-Screen. Will check it out over weekend. I remember it being pretty good quality if that helps!!
Shaolin Red Master was Digitally Remastered by Eastern Heroes. I think I have the Pal Region 2 copy. I bought my copy off Amazon.com
Buy a All Region Dvd player if you don't have one. Really helps!!:)

[shaw master]

cant find it[internet shopping is my last option].
Try anotherheaven.biz.tell Kenny from NJ told you about this site.might get discount.

[shaw master]

Buddahs Palm and dragons fist.Best movie of his i saw.Djdnt see Showdown at cottenmil yet or green jade stattilute.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Buddahs Palm and dragons fist.Best movie of his i saw.Djdnt see Showdown at cottenmil yet or green jade stattilute.

Yeah he tears it up in Buddhas Palm Dragons Fist. Nonstop fights in that movie. I think I counted 11 major fights in total. Lots of fun.

[crazedjustice888]

I see these appreciation threads for Chen Kuan Tai, Fu Sheng and some others, but I haven't seen any for my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE KUNG FU STAR!!!! CHI KUAN CHUN!!! THIS GUY IS THE MAN!!! An EXCELLENT fighter. I really enjoyed all of the movies I have seen him in. I also love how he always takes the serious role and is like the last line of defense in a lot of his movies. He is powerful and VERY well versed within the Hung Style. The way he displays his skills is just simply amazing. For crying out loud he snaps peoples necks left and right. Also when I think of him the song Indestructible by Disturbed just plays in my head...lol He might not be the best actor, but to me his stone wall face just works for him in my opinion :nerd: When one of my friends watched one of his movies with me they laughed because they thought I was like him, so hey why not like him.

What is everyone else's opinion on him?

[Tosh]

Him and Lo Mang have to be two of the most ripped people on the planet, I'm interested in seeing some of his indy movies I haven't got around to, like Green Jade Statuette.

If you dig deep enough there was a good thread on him in the Classic section with some great pics.

[crazedjustice888]

Yeah they are...my goodness. I wonder what his training consisted of...:nerd:

I just ordered Green Jade Statuette, but I would recommend Dragon Force, VERY good at least to me.

I tried searching, but I will go back for it, and thanks for the recommendation.

[Monk Sante]

Yeah I also like Chi! He made more good films than bad ones.

[crazedjustice888]

Sorry for not having it in the right place and thank you for moving it. My dad watched Boxer's Rebellion and Shaolin Avengers with me and was amazed at his upper body skills but strangely liked his kicks as far as snap wise goes.

[gogalee]

For me my fav. chi kuan chun movies are:

iron neck li and crazy horse intelligent monkey

[crazedjustice888]

For me my fav. chi kuan chun movies are:

iron neck li and crazy horse intelligent monkey

I have never seen Iron Neck Li but Crazy Horse Intelligent Monkey was pretty cool. I just wish I could find it on DVD...

I was wondering if there is any way to get a copy of Golden Mask like the German one with widescreen and uncut scenes...but with English audio or subtitles. Anyone aware of the existence of this?

[rdenn]

i loved his character in disciple of shaolin , although he didnt say much he knew fu sheng was doomed from the start becuase he already had been through it and when he killed chaing to he didnt even wait until he dropped dead just calmy walked off while chaing to was dying , superb, here is chi kuwan chun on a gameshow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_GZzfJeixQ

[TibetanWhiteCrane]

Still the man!

[spearman lo tat]

i loved his character in disciple of shaolin , although he didnt say much he knew fu sheng was doomed from the start becuase he already had been through it and when he killed chaing to he didnt even wait until he dropped dead just calmy walked off while chaing to was dying , superb, here is chi kuwan chun on a gameshow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_GZzfJeixQ

word up. i agree whole-heartedly. his character was very underrated, for lack of a better word, for his silence spoke volumes to his character. it gives me chills when i think of how Chi put those heads to bed early. i remember that gangster-type music playing after Chi administered (poetic) justice to Chiang Tao and just walked off like that, not even witnessing the "arched-back-then-back-to-the-ground death" that many succumb to, and all i could say was "DAMN!"

[crazedjustice888]

Man...in Disciples of Shaolin, he EXEMPLIFIED what a REAL fight should be. Quick, deadly, and to the point. I always laughed when I saw him walk into the sun thinking...man...thats a true man right there. :p

Oh, and that video clip of him on that game show was just so inspirational...he is about 60 or a little past and STILL looks like that..:o..my GOD that is awesome...:nerd:

[rdenn]

i have some more chi kwun stuff with him doing forms on shows i will upload later.

[crazedjustice888]

i have some more chi kwun stuff with him doing forms on shows i will upload later.

PLEASE DO!!! THEY ARE SIMPLY AMAZING!!!!

[butcher wing]

shaolin red master, the massive, marco polo, (most of the shaw bros. stuff) and drunken monkey.

[CKCgirl]

I haven't seen all of CKC's films but I had a hard time sitting through Drunken Monkey! His performance was good but the kids in the film were annoying to me. I love Showdown at the Cotton Mill, The Big Rascal, Boxer Rebellion, all the Shaw films actually and Green Jade Statuette.

[crazedjustice888]

I haven't seen all of CKC's films but I had a hard time sitting through Drunken Monkey! His performance was good but the kids in the film were annoying to me. I love Showdown at the Cotton Mill, The Big Rascal, Boxer Rebellion, all the Shaw films actually and Green Jade Statuette.

I know what you mean. CKC was actually the main reason I watched and liked Drunken Monkey. All the ones you listed I love as well with Showdown being my absolute FAVORITE movie...hahaha

[CKCgirl]

I know what you mean. CKC was actually the main reason I watched and liked Drunken Monkey. All the ones you listed I love as well with Showdown being my absolute FAVORITE movie...hahaha

CKC was the ONLY reason I watched it! I want to see Seven Swords since my goal is to see EVERY FILM he acted in. The reviews I have read weren't very good but I would suffer through it just to see him!:kiss:

[crazedjustice888]

CKC was the ONLY reason I watched it! I want to see Seven Swords since my goal is to see EVERY FILM he acted in. The reviews I have read weren't very good but I would suffer through it just to see him!:kiss:

I saw Seven Swords...just for him and LKL...hahaha but the parts they were featured in were pretty good. I was going to say something, but I don't want to spoil it for you but I hope you enjoy it even in the slightest.

[CKCgirl]

I saw Seven Swords...just for him and LKL...hahaha but the parts they were featured in were pretty good. I was going to say something, but I don't want to spoil it for you but I hope you enjoy it even in the slightest.

I get a little enjoyment out of all the films he's in just because he is in them.:bigsmile:

[crazedjustice888]

I get a little enjoyment out of all the films he's in just because he is in them.:bigsmile:

I know what you mean. There are still just a couple more films I have yet to see though. What movies of his HAVEN'T you seen?

[CKCgirl]

I know what you mean. There are still just a couple more films I have yet to see though. What movies of his HAVEN'T you seen?

According to the filmography at http://www.shaw-brothers-reloaded.com//SBR%20Filmografien/html/chi_kuan_chun_filmography.html I haven't seen these:

Three Styles of Hung Fist 1974
Seven Man Army 1976
Naval Commandos 1977
Magnificent Wanderers 1977
Sandman 1978
Immortal Warriors 1979
Lone Ninja Warrior 1982
Little Flying Dragon 1982
Woman King Bee 1983
Lucky Dragon 1991
Wolf of Revenge 1992
Lady Killer 1992
Seven Swords 2005

[crazedjustice888]

According to the filmography at http://www.shaw-brothers-reloaded.com//SBR%20Filmografien/html/chi_kuan_chun_filmography.html I haven't seen these:

Three Styles of Hung Fist 1974
Seven Man Army 1976
Naval Commandos 1977
Magnificent Wanderers 1977
Sandman 1978
Immortal Warriors 1979
Lone Ninja Warrior 1982
Little Flying Dragon 1982
Woman King Bee 1983
Lucky Dragon 1991
Wolf of Revenge 1992
Lady Killer 1992
Seven Swords 2005
I have never even heard of most of those...hahahaha good luck in finding them though.

[GOLDEN DRAGON YIN-YANG]

I have not heard this film mentioned, (if I got the title right), Master of Shaolin.

There is the one scene before he fights the main villain where he OFF'S at least ten sword and shield baddy's / Perhaps that will help identify the film I am thinking of here.

You have to love this guys work. He is in that immortals category of kung fu cinema actors.

One of the GREATS of ALL time.

Very few of the movies he was in were disappointing.

And I will never forget someone on this forum calling him: "ferret face" LOL!

GD Y-Y

[Akuma]

I have not heard this film mentioned, (if I got the title right), Master of Shaolin.

There is the one scene before he fights the main villain where he OFF'S at least ten sword and shield baddy's / Perhaps that will help identify the film I am thinking of here.

You have to love this guys work. He is in that immortals category of kung fu cinema actors.

One of the GREATS of ALL time.

Very few of the movies he was in were disappointing.

And I will never forget someone on this forum calling him: "ferret face" LOL!

GD Y-Y

Maybe this is it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRJ6uOzkINs&feature=related

[CKCgirl]

I have not heard this film mentioned, (if I got the title right), Master of Shaolin.

There is the one scene before he fights the main villain where he OFF'S at least ten sword and shield baddy's / Perhaps that will help identify the film I am thinking of here.

You have to love this guys work. He is in that immortals category of kung fu cinema actors.

One of the GREATS of ALL time.

Very few of the movies he was in were disappointing.

And I will never forget someone on this forum calling him: "ferret face" LOL!

GD Y-Y

The movie is Revenge of the Shaolin Kid. I really like that movie! Showdown at the Cotton Mill is my favorite! He does not have a ferret face! IMO he was the best looking of all the Shaw's actors in the 70s.

[GOLDEN DRAGON YIN-YANG]

Yes CKCgirl and Akuma THAT is exactly the movie I spoke of. Thanks.

One of my favorites of his.

GD Y-Y

[CKCgirl]

I have never even heard of most of those...hahahaha good luck in finding them though.

I found a couple on ebay. Will let you know if I get them!

[nectarsis]

Another thread I have no clue HOW I missed. IMHO Chi Kuan Chun is one of the most underrated of the Shaw stars. I have enjoyed him in everything I've seen him in.

[CKCgirl]

Another thread I have no clue HOW I missed. IMHO Chi Kuan Chun is one of the most underrated of the Shaw stars. I have enjoyed him in everything I've seen him in.

I totally agree with you! What's your favorite CKC film?

[nectarsis]

I totally agree with you! What's your favorite CKC film?


From what I have seen my top 3 would probably be:

The Shaolin Avengers
Seven Man Army
Boxer Rebellion

[CKCgirl]

From what I have seen my top 3 would probably be:

The Shaolin Avengers
Seven Man Army
Boxer Rebellion

I haven't seen Seven Man Army yet.
My top 3 are:
Showdown at the Cotton Mill
Boxer Rebellion
Disciples of Shaolin
:bigsmile:

[CKCgirl]

I haven't seen Seven Man Army yet.
My top 3 are:
Showdown at the Cotton Mill
Boxer Rebellion
Disciples of Shaolin
:bigsmile:

I need to add Iron Neck Li to that list in a tie for 3rd.

[nectarsis]

I haven't seen Seven Man Army yet.
My top 3 are:
Showdown at the Cotton Mill
Boxer Rebellion
Disciples of Shaolin
:bigsmile:


Have yet to set Showdown, and Disciples is a DAMN solid film. Like I said never seen one of his I didn't like :xd:

[crazedjustice888]

Glad another CKC enthusiast is on the forum.

If I had to choose my top 3...hhmmmm....

1. Showdown at the Cottonmill
2. Disciples of Shaolin
3. Green Jade Statuette

Those are my top 3 for sure.

[CKCgirl]

Have yet to set Showdown, and Disciples is a DAMN solid film. Like I said never seen one of his I didn't like :xd:

You have to see Showdown! The fight seems are awesome! You will enjoy it!

[popsjnr]

If I had to choose my 3 favourite Mr Pattern
(Chi Kuan Chun's late nite nickname in England) flicks....would have to be.

1: Showdown at Cotton Mill-shapes are
TOO RUFFHOUSE

2: Two Roving Heroes-Mr Pattern and
Lee Yi Min- with wicked Sound F.X
and awesome Taiwan madness.

3: Shaolin Invicible Guys-coz I have a
soft spot for Raymond Lui and Mr
Pattern's gold tooth is cool.

Always carry around an autographed business card for Mr Pattern's gym in Taiwan. He signed it in 2001

[rdenn]

if i can remember there is a short heavy exchange of hands between chi kuan & raymond in shaolin invincible guys...

[shapes]

Chi kuan Chun is one of the best kung fu actors i.m.o. always delivers,who ever he teams up with that person is instantly upgraded
fave films:

Cotton mill
Shaolin avengers
Eagle fist

[Chinatown Kid]

Showdown at the Cotton Mill is my favorite film of his because it's the ultimate Northern kicks vs Southern fists fight and features Tan Tao Liang in a rare villain role. I heard both stars consider it their best work, shame about the print but rarescope did a great job in restoring it the best they could. I swear Chi's body looks like it was carved out of stone, even more ripped than Bruce!

[RogueWarrior]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxiGaX0wJwE

[nectarsis]

I've always been interested in Showdown At The Cotton Mill...all the high praise has solidified that. LOL

I've seen these 2...thoughts (picture quality/subs, etc)?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showdown-Cotton-Mill-DVD-NEW-/260849195788?pt=UK_CDsDVDs_DVDs_DVDs_GL&hash=item3cbbd2db0c

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHOWDOWN-COTTON-MILL-Chi-Kuan-Chun-DVD-NEW-/260851345925?pt=US_DVD_HD_DVD_Blu_ray&hash=item3cbbf3aa05

[teako170]

I've always been interested in Showdown At The Cotton Mill...all the high praise has solidified that. LOL

I've seen these 2...thoughts (picture quality/subs, etc)?

There is only one print (Rarescope) that is worth getting for this.
While not IVL quality, it certainly betters the dog-eared print that was floating around forever.

Since my post back in 2007, I've acquired about 35 of his 53 (according to HKMDb) films but still --
have yet to see The Murder of Murders aka The Massive (sigh...)

Maybe, by 2015...? :frown:

[CKCgirl]

I've always been interested in Showdown At The Cotton Mill...all the high praise has solidified that. LOL

I've seen these 2...thoughts (picture quality/subs, etc)?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showdown-Cotton-Mill-DVD-NEW-/260849195788?pt=UK_CDsDVDs_DVDs_DVDs_GL&hash=item3cbbd2db0c

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHOWDOWN-COTTON-MILL-Chi-Kuan-Chun-DVD-NEW-/260851345925?pt=US_DVD_HD_DVD_Blu_ray&hash=item3cbbf3aa05

I bought the second version from the same company! I love my copy! I posted it on youtube.

[CKCgirl]

There is only one print (Rarescope) that is worth getting for this.
While not IVL quality, it certainly betters the dog-eared print that was floating around forever.

Since my post back in 2007, I've acquired about 35 of his 53 (according to HKMDb) films but still --
have yet to see The Murder of Murders aka The Massive (sigh...)

Maybe, by 2015...? :frown:
The massive is good. It is up on youtube.

[jrcma]

Showdown at the Cotton Mill is my favorite film of his because it's the ultimate Northern kicks vs Southern fists fight and features Tan Tao Liang in a rare villain role. I heard both stars consider it their best work, shame about the print but rarescope did a great job in restoring it the best they could. I swear Chi's body looks like it was carved out of stone, even more ripped than Bruce!
Every good points CTK.
I'd have to say SHOWDOWN AT THE COTTON MILL is my favourite as well also the title it's self one of my titles.
qRTLt9HSAVI

[CKCgirl]

Every good points CTK.
I'd have to say SHOWDOWN AT THE COTTON MILL is my favourite as well also the title it's self one of my titles.
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This was an excellent tribute. After seeing this, I bought my own copy.

[nectarsis]

There is only one print (Rarescope) that is worth getting for this.
While not IVL quality, it certainly betters the dog-eared print that was floating around forever.

Since my post back in 2007, I've acquired about 35 of his 53 (according to HKMDb) films but still --
have yet to see The Murder of Murders aka The Massive (sigh...)

Maybe, by 2015...? :frown:

Is the Rarescope dubbed only?

[teako170]

The massive is good. It is up on youtube.
Definitely need to pick this up (someday).



http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHOWDOWN-COTTON-MILL-Chi-Kuan-Chun-DVD-NEW-/260851345925?pt=US_DVD_HD_DVD_Blu_ray&hash=item3cbbf3aa05

I bought the second version from the same company! I love my copy! I posted it on youtube.

If I remember correctly, there's a boot of the Rarescope print out there by PanMedia/RS which "might be" this version (I have not seen it). I would certainly rather see people support the real deal. Not sure if Toby still sees some coin on each purchase but if he does, I'm sure he'd appreciate the effort.

Is the Rarescope dubbed only?

Mand w/ Eng subs.

[nectarsis]

Definitely need to pick this up (someday).



If I remember correctly, there's a boot of the Rarescope print out there by PanMedia/RS which "might be" this version (I have not seen it). I would certainly rather see people support the real deal. Not sure if Toby still sees some coin on each purchase but if he does, I'm sure he'd appreciate the effort.



Mand w/ Eng subs.

Much thanks my good sir :) Most listing had little/no info listed.

[shapes]

70's style trailer

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[popsjnr]

Well done T that trailer had me sucked in really thought that was an original release trailer, reminded me of that wicked tape Kung Fu Mania, until the words "The Shapes Never Stop" cool lyrics.
Always thought it was a shame Fatty couldnt get Mr Pattern (Sinkler rools) in Warriors Two, think he would've handled those shapes better than Casanova.
Oh and cheers T for getting me that signed business card from Mr Pattern, it's always in my wallet

[rdenn]

that stance at 2.23 gets me everytime.

[shapes]

I know, thats why it's in there

[CKCgirl]

I love the way he whips the braid, plait queue (whatever you want to call it) around.

[Tosh]

I have green jade statuette on the dvd player to be watched next, I thought he was badass in Shaolin Temple and Shaolin Martial Arts, even if he took a backseat to Fu Sheng he was still showed as the stronger older brother.
My favorite part of ST is when he's doing his animal forms -

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/ChiSawGang/ShaolinTemplex.jpg

[crazedjustice888]

I love that image Tosh. Yeah it was always interesting how he never really had the main part, but he was always the guy that when he walked up, the bad guys took a step back...:laluot_02:

[shapes]

Always loved this cameo fight he did in Eagles claw v butterfly palm

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[teako170]

The print i watched was very muddy/dark, so really couldn't enjoy this. This YT clip is much brighter.

Always loved this cameo fight he did in Eagles claw v butterfly palm

[Black.Dragon]

I always liked his character in "Golden Mask " aka "Golden Killah" . It's kind of a dark role , which I like. He is also tough in " Revenge of the Shaolin Kid ".

[CKCgirl]

I have green jade statuette on the dvd player to be watched next, I thought he was badass in Shaolin Temple and Shaolin Martial Arts, even if he took a backseat to Fu Sheng he was still showed as the stronger older brother.
My favorite part of ST is when he's doing his animal forms -

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/ChiSawGang/ShaolinTemplex.jpg

Great upload. This is also one of my favorites! He is so intense during his animal forms.

[popsjnr]

Always a shame when Mr Pattern lets off five animals they have to make up a Dragon claw style for him instead of explaining Hung Gar's breathing and noises (Ti Sin Kuen) are the actual Hung systems Dragon technique.
When I started Hung Gar I was waiting for ages to learn those wicked Dragon shapes Mr Pattern pulls, then I found out there ain't none.Damn those choreographers for tricking me

[crazedjustice888]

Always a shame when Mr Pattern lets off five animals they have to make up a Dragon claw style for him instead of explaining Hung Gar's breathing and noises (Ti Sin Kuen) are the actual Hung systems Dragon technique.
When I started Hung Gar I was waiting for ages to learn those wicked Dragon shapes Mr Pattern pulls, then I found out there ain't none.Damn those choreographers for tricking me

What he is doing is actually the lau family dragon system. So it does exist, also in a non lau family hung practice, those techniques exist as well. He is using the wood element philosophy but instead of using fists, he is using tiger claws. So it still counts and the dragon is still known for its powerful clawing techniques.

Hope this helps

[peringaten]

Yes. I've been taught a few of those dragon bits, like the one in picture above; not as part of any forms just drills, technique & principles.

[crazedjustice888]

Yeah, when I trained in Lam style Hung Kuen, I was also taught some techniques dealing with it. As well as in the tang Fong lineage. Its just simply using two arms at the same time with tiger claws. Lau family actually has them in a set though.

[peringaten]

I am Lau family; we're different to Houghton's side though, we don't have we have a particular set for them in our curriculum that I know of. We're taught the techniques different to tiger claw stuff.

[crazedjustice888]

Thats interesting. If you could, can you ask your teacher to perform your Ng Ying Kuen? That would be really awesome to see. Sorry if it seems I am asking a lot, Kung Fu is just my life...hahahaha

[shapes]

Chi Kuan Chun v Dick Wei in this awesome modern day from Taiwan

-Wolf of Revenge

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[CKCgirl]

Chi Kuan Chun v Dick Wei in this awesome modern day from Taiwan

-Wolf of Revenge

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CKC looks GOOD in a suit. I need to see the rest of this movie! He looks GOOD in anything!

[popsjnr]

Why would Chi Kuan Chun be doing Lau family Dragon, his si-fu was Chiu Wai, Chiu Chi Ling's elder brother. I wonder if the Dragon claw techniques are here because at the time the movie was set, the Hung Gar system-and therefore their Dragon method-Tit Sin-didnt exist-after all Tit Kiu Sam was a descendant of Ng Mui, a Dragon stylist, who appears in the movie Shaolin Temple as a shadow.

I have studied in my 16 years of Hung Kuen both Ng Ying and Sap Ying, from my teacher, a student of Lam Sai Wing's last disciple Chan Hon Chung, and the Dragon we learn is the breathing and noises at the beginning of the form-the final stage before Tit Sin Kuen he has never made mention of a separate Dragon claws section of these forms-I dont dispute any other lineages claim to have them-but ours only has the Tit Sin section.

I have never seen my unofficial kung fu uncle Mark Houghton demonstrate Ng Ying, but he may have a Dragon claw technique as he learned an older variation of Hung Gar in Malaysia-descended from Hung si-jo's 1st generation of students-which is why Mark didnt have Tit Sin Kuen until he became pops's disciple

[FrankBolte]

the ng ying kuen that Mark Houghton sifu teaches comes from Lau kar Fei,the dragon part is indeed external.Different then the breathing parts known as in Lam Sai Wings hung kuen..

Chi Kuan Chun is member of chiu wai family hung gar indeed,they also play dragon internal..but at the movie sets lau kar leung taught him as well and for the movies they may have made up those external dragon parts..

[shapes]

Think Hsieh Xing took one look at what Tommy Lee and Jackie were doing and said

"think we'll have some of that"

claw , beak, snake, paw based

[popsjnr]

Pops must have created the claw work coz theres sum in Boxer Rebellion when Mr Pattern does the Sap Ying form coz the version I do (really badly!!) aint got none. I wanted to pull those shapes...shit.

[FrankBolte]

Pops must have created the claw work coz theres sum in Boxer Rebellion when Mr Pattern does the Sap Ying form .


yeah,Im almost sure..also i remember now in pops first directed movie Wong Yue busts out some dragon moves as well...

[popsjnr]

I suppose it is easier to make up some claw shapes than explain the breathing and its connection with Dragon...how are you Frank?? havent spoken to you for awhile since we talked Hung Kuen on youtube

[FrankBolte]

I suppose it is easier to make up some claw shapes than explain the breathing and its connection with Dragon...how are you Frank?? havent spoken to you for awhile since we talked Hung Kuen on youtube
pretty good,cheers! About to get married in a few months :) How about yourself?

[crazedjustice888]

pretty good,cheers! About to get married in a few months :) How about yourself?

WHAT??? CONGRATS FRANKY!!!

Yeah, thats my opinion to. Maybe he thought that the sup ying kuen version of the dragon just wasn't visually appealing and needed to much explanation. I could always be wrong, I just love when CKC moves, HES MY HERO AND WHY I GOT INTO KUNG FU!!!

[peringaten]

I don't know about LKL just "making up" some dragon stuff for the screen. That might imply some superficiality, I don't know where he or CKC got it - but the bits I've been shown like that are practical, in terms of finger/wrist conditioning, body connection, movement etc. Again we play it different to the way we do fu jow stuff. Don't get me wrong it's not something sifu has put a huge emphasis on, just a lesson or so, but it's good stuff, something I practice pretty often on my own & find effective as shown; do the movement with iron rings held right at the end of the fingertips, I mean right at the very end tips to the point they're ready to fall, wrists bent much as possible, some other bits of movement I can't describe now important, circular, twisting stuff, you could do some tiger stuff this way, but our principles of that are bit different. Not trying to make a big thing of it though - much much other stuff given way more dominance, but I find a couple of the bits useful as shown in ways other bits aren't. It all comes together eventually I guess.

Crazedjustice - to be honest also, we don't have ng ying or sup ying kuen in our lineage - 3 pillars yes, no ng/sup- we do CLF stuff to bridge fu hok & tit sin there instead; see overcredit demos start of Men From the Monastery & bit of My Young Auntie for some of this alternate stuff from Fu Sheng & LKL respectively.

Don't know about that Hsieh Xing/Tommy/Jackie ref - they're just doing hung deviated stuff, traditional bread & butter bits, been about for a few years by then. You could probably just put someone like CKC on screen & let him do his stuff without choreoing & I reckon it would come out the same. I reckon a guy like CKC on a shaolin based film of that time must have made Hsieh's job easy as fuck!

Also, congrats Frank!

[CKCgirl]

And now a break from the technical talk about the forms and etc. On youtube there are some clips of CKC on a Tv show called The Palace Manual. Does anyone know if you can get a copy of it somewhere?

Also what is everyone watching these days? What is the one CKC film you want to see but haven't yet? I am trying to get a copy of Seven Man Army and Naval Commandos. I am going to re-watch Shaolin Avengers and Disciples of Shaolin this week.

[crazedjustice888]

Crazedjustice - to be honest also, we don't have ng ying or sup ying kuen in our lineage - 3 pillars yes, no ng/sup- we do CLF stuff to bridge fu hok & tit sin there instead; see overcredit demos start of Men From the Monastery & bit of My Young Auntie for some of this alternate stuff from Fu Sheng & LKL respectively.


I read somewhere that LKL doesn't like 4 pillars, but rather 3 pillars or treasures as I have heard it termed. Those two are wonderful movies and I see the point to it. Also, I understand that about the origin, I was just taking a stab at it. I have also learned some of that stuff in the other families. Not particularly in forms, but just in technique drills that deal a lot with twisting the arms and claws themselves. Fun stuff


Also what is everyone watching these days? What is the one CKC film you want to see but haven't yet? I am trying to get a copy of Seven Man Army and Naval Commandos. I am going to re-watch Shaolin Avengers and Disciples of Shaolin this week.

I don't really know of a CKC film that I haven't seen that is severely weighing on my mind to see. I have seen pretty much all of his BIG movies so if a movie comes up that I hadn't seen, I will definitely watch it. Seven Man Army and Naval Commandos are AWESOME movies. Seven Men Army actually has my favorite bits of CKC in any movie to be honest. I won't spoil anything though. Shaolin Avengers and Disciples of Shaolin are both incredible to me as well.

[FrankBolte]

@crazedjustice888 a.Peringaten:thank you!

the dragon part I learned came from Lau kar Fei as well as the whole ng ying kuen set,i think i read somewhere that Lau Kar fei created that set for demos and such..its somewhat a shortened version of ng ying kuen and apart from the dragon part nothing new...anyway,i know that Lau Jaam had a 5 animal fist form in his curriculum as I met some of his students in hongkong...

if you look at this from a moviemaker perspective,its a great advance to be a gung fu master,just like LKL is...so for him its easy to make up moves and being creative..it doesnt mean those moves are worthless...those dragon application were pretty much brutal when i learned them...

[popsjnr]

Just watching Big Rascal whoaah...go on Mr Pattern draw the shapes, rubbish Pang Kang on the hillside and Kam Kong's wickedly terrible syrup of figs. Havent seen it for about 10 years so its like meeting an old friend.

About the three pillars of Hung Gar (or treasures etc) according to the prologue that used to be on the Warners video release (and now as an extra on the IVL DVD's as Hung Kuen Saam Bo) the three forms/treasures demonstrated are Gung Gee, Fu Hok and Sap Ying there is NO mention of Tit Sin in there??? I dont know why some lineages dont have Sap Ying or Ng Ying, as they are the foundation of Tit Sin-with the laughing noise etc???

And yo Frank yeah everything is cool...congrats on your forthcoming marriage.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Have to go with Buddha Palm as my fav. Good comedy, helped by the fact that Chi plays it straight. And the fights, wowie woowaa.

[CKCgirl]

I was bored so I found a site to translate CKC's name from Chinese characters to English so I can learn how to pronounce it correctly.

[CKCgirl]

I like these Wish were bigger!

[shapes]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/cottonmill/chikunchunstick.jpg

[popsjnr]

Draw the spear Mr Pattern!!! Does it say he is 26 at the bottom there, T??

[Reel Power Stunts]

Draw the spear Mr Pattern!!! Does it say he is 26 at the bottom there, T??

No. It says something along the lines of "in the olden days, the spear he is using weighed 62 catty" (that's approx 31kg)

[popsjnr]

Yeah looking at it now I see the Gan/catty character at the end-I was reading it the wrong way round, as yee sap lohk instead of lohk sap yee gan

[CKCgirl]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/cottonmill/chikunchunstick.jpg

Love this pic!

[CKCgirl]

Draw the spear Mr Pattern!!! Does it say he is 26 at the bottom there, T??

CKC needs a new nickname. Mr. Pattern bothers me and I can't figure it out!

[popsjnr]

He got called mr Pattern coz he was, and judging by his recent Fu Hok demo on youtube, still is the king of forms/patterns. You can always give him a nickname of your own....how about Shapes Daddy (although Chan Sing IS THE DADDY) or Forms King etc.

[Jesse Smooth]

Iron Neck Li and Green Jade Statuette.

[CKCgirl]

He got called mr Pattern coz he was, and judging by his recent Fu Hok demo on youtube, still is the king of forms/patterns. You can always give him a nickname of your own....how about Shapes Daddy (although Chan Sing IS THE DADDY) or Forms King etc.

I think I'll keep my nickname to myself:15_002:

[CKCgirl]

Just watched 7 Man Army! 2 Thumbs up!! CKC looks awesome in a uniform!:khi8g: I usually don't like modern war movies but this was good.

[CKCgirl]

Can someone please explain this movie to me! I am so confused! Whats the point? Definitely mot one of CKC's best movies.

[CKCgirl]

Happy new year everyone! Enjoy the year of the dragon!

[The Dragon]

Thanks, YOU too!

:xd:

:wink:

[MLee]

I really enjoyed the character role Chi Kuan Chun protrayed in Eagles Claw. That's one of my favourite movies of his.

[jrcma]

I watched EAGLE'S CLAW this week I thought the character played by Chi Kuan Chun was good as I like how he seems somewhere in-between good & bad.

[CKCgirl]

I watched EAGLE'S CLAW this week I thought the character played by Chi Kuan Chun was good as I like how he seems somewhere in-between good & bad.



I also like his Eagle's Claw character. It was a change from the straight laced patriot he usually played. I also like his character in Ways of Kung Fu. Must have been hard for him to act like he knew no kung fu at the beginning and his characters in Green Jade Statuette and The Big Rascal are also off the beaten path for him. Most of his characters after Shaw Brothers were different and interesting. More developed.

[BlackLamaFaction]

The copy of Beggar of no Equal that I saw was not very good quality, but it still looked like some of his best work to me. Also Shaolin Red Master and Crazy Horse Intelligent Monkey. Didn't think Shaw style choreography suited his on screen style so his Shaw stuff (while classics) wouldn't be my favorite Chi Kuan Chun movies.

[CKCgirl]

Music Video Tribute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-syb9tjIRMs&feature=uploademail

[The Dragon]

Good stuff, CKCGirl!

[popsjnr]

It's funny that people are talking about Cotton Mill's print quality.....it's always been that same print since the early 90's on bootleg VHS so I dont see a problem with it.

Considering the dire Malaysian boots of Shaw's movies at the same time, Legend of the Fox looking like it's filmed thru a snowstorm, Cat vs Rat basically looking like shadows in B+W etc Cotton Mill didnt look so bad in comparison.

[The Dragon]

I would simply like to read the text so I may follow the story AND action. Some of us have begun to walk upright, use utensils to dine, formed languages, and sometimes even use a napkin, or two.

Would it be too much to ask a legible text?

[popsjnr]

Yeah its a really complex story to follow...wait its the same story as Chi Kuan Chun's parts of Men From the Monastery and Shaolin Avengers...as for Cotton Mill's subtitles I've never had any trouble reading them.....maybe some people need to evolve a bit more...eh??

[Pai Mei]

I would simply like to read the text so I may follow the story AND action. Some of us have begun to walk upright, use utensils to dine, formed languages, and sometimes even use a napkin, or two.

Would it be too much to ask a legible text?

There is a slightly better version of this that is fan-made and done by an old forum member. The Rarescope DVD was improved and removable subtitles were added.

See this thread:
http://kungfucinema.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10383
Post #33 has screenshot comparisons.