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Morgoth Bauglir
10-03-2008, 09:46 AM
The review forum seems a bit dry lately, so I thought I'd post my review and DVD review of a movie I'm sure no one has seen! The 36th Chamber of Shaolin! Dragon Dynasty!




Gordon Liu (also known as Lau Kar Fai) stars as a young man who's friends and family have been killed by the new government. He wakes up at the Shaolin Temple, a place he has only heard about a couple of times. When he realizes he is at the best place possible to learn kung fu, he begs and begs to learn so that he can revenge his family. He does finally get taught, but has to start with the basics. Every part of his body must become stronger before he can learn how to fight. After he finishes the first stages of training in record time, he is now highly respected and moves onto learning actual fighting styles. He breezes through this and becomes a great fighter in only 5 years or so. This is not one of those movies that has 1 or 2 training sequences. Gordon is shown in at least 13 of the chambers and half of the movie is spent at Shaolin. So after he has become a master fighter, he is given a high honor and told that he can become second in charge of any of the 35 chambers. A senior monk played by the great Lee Hoi San objects to this and says that he can't have this honor unless Gordon defeats him in a weapons duel. Lee Hoi San does not play a villain, but he does not think that Gordon is a good enough fighter to receive so much praise. His plan works better than he could have ever imagined. He ends up helping Gordon improve as a fighter and as a person. Gordon is told he can leave Shaolin now, and he goes to take revenge on the evil General who killed his family.

One thing that sets this movie apart is that it tries to be a real movie, and it succeeds. Watching Gordon grow up into a man is remarkable to see. The commentators didn't notice, but a lot of the stuff in this movie is very real. When Gordon has to use the pole with the wieght on the end to hit the bell over and over again, that is a real weight on the end of the pole! Gordon talks in the interview (included on this disc) about how the sabres that Lo Lieh uses in the final fight are real, and it just makes the movie that much better. Dont expect your average tale of revenge. I was touched deeply when I first saw this and there are not many kung fu movies that have as much meaning and feeling.

Rating- 5/5

Picture quality is remastered very well. It does get a bit darker and lighter in some scenes, but other than slight print damage once or twice, the picture quality is perfect. The Mandarin, Cantonese and English tracks all sound excellent. In fact, I have never heard the English dub sound this good. The subtitles should have been written better, and the English dub is actually a better translation. They are not horribly written, but could have been a lot better. I am not complaining though since this is the only fault on the DVD.

Special features include a great commentary from The RZA and this Andy Klein guy who does not know very much about the genre. Luckily RZA is there to help him point out actors like Lau Kar Wing, Wilson Tong and Hsiao Hou. I found the commmentary enjoyable. RZA talks about his experiences with this movie, and he is definitely a 36th Chamber expert. And I found it pretty funny that he seems to think Gordon Liu is a monk in real life.

The 17 minute interview with Gordon Liu is very interesting. He talks about many things such as training day and night and how great of an honor it was to work with a megastar like Lo Lieh. Gordon skips over the years like people should know what he is talking about, but just in case you don't, I will fill you in. In 1974 Lau Kar Leung was Chang Cheh's top action director and Gordon Liu was cast as a villain alongside Johnny Wang Lung Wei and Leung Kar Yan in movies like '7 Man Army' and 'Marco Polo'. When Lau Kar Leung split up with Chang Cheh he started directing his own movies for the Shaw Brothers, starting with 'Spiritual Boxer'. In his next movie 'Challenge of the Masters', Lau Kar Leung cast his younger adopted brother Gordon Liu as the lead. This is what led to Gordon becoming the star of 'The 36th Chamber of Shaolin', the greatest Shaolin Temple movie ever made.

There is a 17 minute documentary on Shaolin that is basically another 17 minutes of awesome info from Gordon Liu.

The 8 minute interview with film critic/scholars Andy Klein and David Shute is a very good description of how great of a movie this is.

The RZA gets a 10 minute interview where he talks about where he first started watching these movies and also gives his thoughts on the Shaw Brothers and explains why the Master Killer in his rap group took that name.

The trailers are the best special feature. The trailer for 'Shaolin Mantis' is very unique. Instead of showing clips from the movie, the actors introduce what kind of kung fu styles are going to be used (be sure to look for Lily Li!). Lau Kar Leung is the director of 'Shaolin Mantis' and doesn't even have a role in the movie, but he gets to show off his ultra awesome kung fu skills quite a bit in the trailer. I think I have watched this trailer about 50 times, and I will eventually master that Shadow style!

Also included are ORIGINAL trailers for 'The 36th Chamber', 'Return to the 36th Chamber', 'Disciples of the 36th Chamber', '8 Diagram Pole Fighter', 'My Young Auntie', 'One Armed Swordsman', 'Infernal Affairs 3' and the original Master Killer US TV commercial.

The last special feature is a gallery of original movie posters and movie stills.

masterofoneinchpunch
10-03-2008, 05:17 PM
...about how the sabres that Lo Lieh uses in the final fight are real, and it just makes the movie that much better.

I always found it quite cool that Lau Kar-Leung would use real weapons in many of his films fight scenes (I'm not sure of when he did not). Scenes like him versus his brother Lau Kar Wing in Challenge of the Masters (1976) work so beautifully because of this.

Morgoth Bauglir
10-03-2008, 08:13 PM
Yeah that fight with Lau Kar Wing in Challenge of the Masters is AWESOME. Lau was all about authenticity. There's sooooo many Shaw movies where you see the shiny foil that is supposed to be metal, so it's nice to be able to pop in a Lau kar Leung movie and not have to see the fakeness thrown right in your face.

Drunken Cat
10-04-2008, 02:42 PM
The subtitles should have been written better, and the English dub is actually a better translation. They are not horribly written, but could have been a lot better. I am not complaining though since this is the only fault on the DVD.



The Dragon Dynasty subtitles are actually missing either two or three lines. This takes place when San Te tells the blacksmith to choke up on the handle of the sledge hammer. What's really sad about this is, that during the commentary RZA and Andy Klein take notice. Nothing was done so it could of been fixed, almost if the subtitles were a rush job after the rest of the disc was finished. Anyone know if the Dragon Dynasty disc uses newly written subtitles or the same subtitles from the IVL disc?

inframan
10-07-2008, 08:17 PM
The Dragon Dynasty subtitles are actually missing either two or three lines. This takes place when San Te tells the blacksmith to choke up on the handle of the sledge hammer. What's really sad about this is, that during the commentary RZA and Andy Klein take notice. Nothing was done so it could of been fixed, almost if the subtitles were a rush job after the rest of the disc was finished. Anyone know if the Dragon Dynasty disc uses newly written subtitles or the same subtitles from the IVL disc?

I believe they said that in the orignal version there was no audio when he whispers to the blacksmith but the dubbed version had dialouge. That would make sense since he thanks him for the tip and explains what it was.

I was suprised by the RZA's commentary, it was really good he's done his homework and has obviously watched his old vhs copy of Master Killer more than a couple times. He points out in how he never kills anybody directly but I was hoping they would point out how funny it was that a movie called "Master Killer" doesn't even kill anybody (except maybe at the end but even then he's not shown killing).

Great release, I need to pick up some more Dragon Dynasty titles.

Drunken Cat
10-08-2008, 12:37 AM
I believe they said that in the orignal version there was no audio when he whispers to the blacksmith but the dubbed version had dialouge. That would make sense since he thanks him for the tip and explains what it was.

I was suprised by the RZA's commentary, it was really good he's done his homework and has obviously watched his old vhs copy of Master Killer more than a couple times. He points out in how he never kills anybody directly but I was hoping they would point out how funny it was that a movie called "Master Killer" doesn't even kill anybody (except maybe at the end but even then he's not shown killing).

Great release, I need to pick up some more Dragon Dynasty titles.

Yeah, your right. Guess I'm too used to the english dub. Not the first time that a dub adds dialog when there normally isn't any. I should of noticed that there is no spoken dialog during that moment.

The RZA definely knows his stuff. He must of wore that vhs copy out. He quoted the dub quite often during the commentary. Great disc, looking forward to Heroes of the East.

CrazyFrog
10-08-2008, 06:00 PM
Definitely agree, Morgoth, with your review of this landmark film. Except for me, the ending of the film with the showdown between Lo Lieh and Gordon Liu is actually just a solid fight, not as spectacular as I remembered it. It contrasts with the rest of the movie, IMO, as the training scenes and other fights seem to be more "iconic". It's just a feeling thing, nothing I can pinpoint.

My two year old likes this movie.

Morgoth Bauglir
10-08-2008, 06:19 PM
Maybe that's where the name Master Killer comes from. Everyone was expecting a really tough showdown at the end, but Gordon Liu was just too skilled. he was the master. I agree it's pretty much just a solid fight, nothing spectacular. I thought it fit the movie perfectly, but still I wouldn't have minded seeing a huge fight with lots of people like Return to the 36th Chamber or 8 Diagram. Thanks for the comments. And I wouldn't think a 2 year old could like this. Your kid must be a little kung fu genius:D

CrazyFrog
10-08-2008, 07:09 PM
Her favorite one is LOAF- now when she sees Kurata leaving the young Fok Yuen Gap, she says " Bye-Bye Teacher"

Morgoth Bauglir
10-08-2008, 07:12 PM
Nice.:D She has good taste.

inframan
10-08-2008, 09:31 PM
Definitely agree, Morgoth, with your review of this landmark film. Except for me, the ending of the film with the showdown between Lo Lieh and Gordon Liu is actually just a solid fight, not as spectacular as I remembered it. It contrasts with the rest of the movie, IMO, as the training scenes and other fights seem to be more "iconic". It's just a feeling thing, nothing I can pinpoint.

My two year old likes this movie.

They point out in the commentary that it's not totally a training movie, but that is the most memorable part. There is some plot and some good fights at the end but the thing you remember is the training sequences.

Morgoth Bauglir
10-08-2008, 09:33 PM
Yeah I totally agree. The training scenes and development of Gordon Liu's character are always the first things I think of.

miklaras
03-01-2009, 03:17 PM
36. Chamber of Shaolin is my first kung fu film. I like it very much...

Fightingfist
07-13-2009, 11:31 PM
Me too liked it alot

niro
07-14-2009, 05:37 PM
my copy should be arriving hopefully tomorrow or thursday then I will be able to say i love it too lol :p

HARDCUPID
07-24-2009, 02:34 AM
Shedding light on the introduction of Shaolin kung fu to the oppressed Chinese, The 36th Chamber of Shaolin stars Gordon Liu (Kill Bill Vol. I and II) as a young man who trains at a Shaolin Temple in order to seek revenge for the brutal slaughter of his people at the hands of the Manchus. Devoting himself to the study of martial arts, he becomes known as the legendary monk San Te, and single-handedly takes on his people’s oppressors. A definitive classic, The 36th Chamber of Shaolin spawned two sequels and helped to launch the North American fascination with Eastern fighting films.

HARDCUPID
07-24-2009, 02:43 AM
Shedding light on the introduction of Shaolin kung fu to the oppressed Chinese, The 36th Chamber of Shaolin stars Gordon Liu (Kill Bill Vol. I and II) as a young man who trains at a Shaolin Temple in order to seek revenge for the brutal slaughter of his people at the hands of the Manchus. Devoting himself to the study of martial arts, he becomes known as the legendary monk San Te, and single-handedly takes on his people’s oppressors. A definitive classic, The 36th Chamber of Shaolin spawned two sequels and helped to launch the North American fascination with Eastern fighting films.

SunChien
12-17-2009, 11:27 PM
I liked it, but I wish Lo Lieh had done some damage to Liu in their final fight, scratch him or something at least.