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Morgoth Bauglir

11-06-2008, 08:31 PM

Pride had its downside: Freakshow fighters, Horrible mismatches,

That's the stuff I like to see. :D I love it when you have a huge guy against a little guy, and the little guy somehow pulls out the win.

That steroid stuff is weird. There's a lot of guys in UFC that get caught using steroids, but just like any other sport, nobody ever admits anythng. But Im guessing pretty much everyone that gets caught really did use roids. And I didn't know the yakuza controlled things in Pride. But I've seen at least a couple fights over the years that I thought may have been fixed. That stuff really pisses me off. But there were so many awesom Pride fights over the years, I guess I've learned to just block it out of my mind.

TrickyNicky

11-06-2008, 10:55 PM

Oh yeah. The Yakuza have their hands in many things in Japan. They're practically a corporation. The reason Pride lost its TV deal (which in Japan = death for a sports company) was because they were tied to the Yakuza. Their first President/CEO Morishita killed himself, and many people think it was because he was in trouble for tax evasion and owing the Yakuza. Next time you're watching Pride, check the front row. You'll see a lot of sinister looking guys in slick threads wearing sunglasses. Guess who?

The reason I brought up steroids is that they actually test for them in the UFC and dole out suspensions. Japan did bloodwork to check for diseases and illness only. I mean, look at Wandy. He was HUGE @205 in Pride but when he came to the UFC he was noticeably smaller (muscle structure, not height). I'm not a big opponent of steroids, and the one thing I can say about Pride was that it was a level playing field. You knew the guy you are going to fight might be juiced up and you could do the same.

Morgoth Bauglir

11-07-2008, 01:47 AM

Wow, thanks for the info. I had no idea, though I could have guessed if I would have thought about it. I agree that a lot of those fighters look a little "too" big. It kind of makes me mad thinking about it, because it's hard to tell who was on steroids and who wasn't. Surely guys like Mark Hunt and takanori Gomi (just 2 examples) weren't on roids, but it's impossible to tell since it "was" allowed. This is really bugging me now, thanks for bringing it up TrickyNicky!:mad: ;). If there's one guy I can say for sure was on roids it is Mark Coleman. He always seemed a little off. Remember in his fight against Fedor where he brought his daughter into the ring and she was crying? That was such an odd scene. Then back in the 2000 GP he showed tons of roid rage during and after the fights. Is there anybody else you can say for sure was on roids, or is it too hard to tell? You seem to know a lot more about this than I do.

jiujitsu77

11-07-2008, 01:52 AM

well said, tricky. wandy is a PRIME example. love him as a fighter though

now since pride has folded....if only the ufc will allow the dog brothers to have competitions on live tv...hrrrmmmmmm

Morgoth Bauglir

11-07-2008, 02:15 AM

The dog brothers? I don't think I've ever heard that. I'm guessing you are talking about Fedor and Aleksander? That is one of the many reasons I'm not a big fan of the UFC. You can't really call it the best MMA organization if you don't have the best fighters. Even if it was like a one fight deal, if they got the brothers to participate it would probably be the biggest UFC event ever.

jiujitsu77

11-07-2008, 02:36 AM

no no. dog brothers asked to participate in the ufc since 1995. they have been turned down because they thought the display might be too brutal.

the dog brothers are some pretty die hard jkd guys who are virtually afraid of nothing
www.dogbrothers.com. not trying to advertise for them, even though i have a tremendous amount of respect for them.

the fight they wanted to do would be what they call "kali tudo", where it would be mma with escrima sticks....ouch

Morgoth Bauglir

11-07-2008, 02:41 AM

Thanks or the info. they want to fight with sticks?:o

TrickyNicky

11-07-2008, 03:21 AM

I think you could make a case that Wandy and Shogun were both a little juiced. Coleman too. I know Barnett used steroids for cosmetic reasons in the UFC because he had the pudge around his stomach. He stopped using them though I assume. A lot of the pro-wrestler types used steroids, and I don't really have a problem with it. Like I said, they paid extraordinary amounts of money to fighters and you accepted the fact that they didn't test for roids. It wasn't hidden or unfair to anyone.

It didn't diminish the entertainment value, and honestly, the Japanese guy who weighs a natural 185 is at the same disadvantage when he comes overseas to fight an American wrestler who is a natural 200 lb'er but cuts 15 lb's of water weight before the weigh-in. The Japanese fighters don't usually cut like that.

I still love Wandy and Chute Boxe, they can do it without the extra help, it just really minimizes the recovery time. They went on a string of fights when they were in Pride with only Shogun having a freak injury against Coleman. When they went to the UFC, I've think they've both had to pull out of 2 fights due to injury.

jiujitsu77

11-07-2008, 03:30 AM

Thanks or the info. they want to fight with sticks?:o

yup escrima sticks. they have padded gear and such, but minimal. shit in the Philippines they did this stuff in the ring all the time

and barnett was such a cool fighter. i read an interview about 4 years back where he said he wanted to fight mecha king ghidora in pride....right after he goes after gigan.

Morgoth Bauglir

11-07-2008, 04:03 AM

yup escrima sticks. they have padded gear and such, but minimal. shit in the Philippines they did this stuff in the ring all the time

I would watch it! :D

it just really minimizes the recovery time.

Thanks for the info. I really appreciate it. I was going to ask you about the recovery time in my last post to you, but I figured I was wrong, and I didn't post it. It seems like a lot of the Japanese fighters have amazing recovery time, but I always thought it was like the commentators say, that they have a lot of heart (and that probably is still a big reason why they can recover from those blows). They take a knockout punch, and look like they are about to fall down, but then out of nowhere they come back and start throwing punches and kicks/knees. Maybe that's why Mark Hunt seemed kind of mad in his post fight interview after he fought TK...

About Silva. I do notice he isn't as big in the UFC, but still, like you guys said, you can't help but love him as a fighter.

What about Fedor and Aleksander? Of course there's a chance they could have used roids, since it was allowed, but how high of a chance do you think there is? Aleksander is one of those guys that to me, looked a little "too" big.

And also thank for the info on the yakuza. I was going to rewatch the Total Emilination Absolute DVD tonight, so I will definitely be looking for the guys with the sunglasses.

Also one more thing, and sorry for the long post. Take your time on this one, no rush. Do you think the Yoshida vs Gracie part 2 fight was fixed? I have a feeling that the ref got money to "not" call the fight (when Gracie was on Yoshida's back pounding on him), so that Yoshida could walk away with a draw. But then again, Gracie's punches were pretty weak, but it REALLY looked like it should have been called. Another one I got a question on is the Barton vs Minowa fight in Bushido 13. Maybe it was because of some kind of special rules (they only have Japanese commentary on the DVD for thsi fight), but Barton looked like he won that fight with ease. How did Minowa get the decision? Maybe I need to rewatch the fight because I missed something? And was Minowa on roids? I don't know how he survived all those blows from Barton. Once again, sorry for the long post and all the questions.

And I know that I am probably just thinking about this way too much right now, so I'll try to stop asking questions. It just makes me mad. I hear you that it is a level playign field, but it's still pretty much impossible to tell who was on roids and who wasn't (except for Colemen, he was DEFINITELY on roids). I need to quit thinking about this :p

TrickyNicky

11-07-2008, 04:33 AM

I didn't mean to mislead you, but what I mean about recovery time, is bouncing back from injuries during training. Not actually in the fight. There isn't a steroid on the market that can give a fighter the heart of Silva. If there were, it wouldn't be illegal and you could buy it in the grocery store.

I think Fedor and Aleks are legit. I'm not sure of anything but they have both been through the NSAC testing.

The Yakuza-looking dudes aren't always shown, but they usually have crowd reaction shots, and you'll see a lot of pop-stars, young women, celebrities, and then sometimes these guys wearing shades in dark suits. Always a small crowd of them too. Maybe they're just doing it to look like gangsters. I have no idea. I just sometimes saw them.

Royce Gracie was known for special rules matches. The Yoshida match was ruled a draw because he had a clause that if it went the distance it was automatically a draw. He had their first fight thrown out after he lost because the ref jumped in before the tap. He specifically wanted to humiliate Yoshida. The refs in Pride always let the star fighters go a little longer if it looked like they were in trouble. They practically killed Saku a few times (vs Arona).

I actually haven't seen the Minowa fight yet, but Pride had special rules for fights involving a smaller fighter versus a larger fighter that gave them an advantage in scoring right away, and the larger fighter couldn't knee the smaller opponent when they were on the ground. Heath Herring actually lost a fight to Vitor Belfor because of that in Pride.

Morgoth Bauglir

11-07-2008, 06:04 AM

OK thanks for confirming what I thought about the Japanese just having a lot of heart (and Silva and many other fighters of course!), I thought I may have misunderstood what you said, so I'm glad you confirmed that. TK to me doesn't seem like he was on roids. he is just an amazing fighter.

Here's a totally differnt type of question for you. How do you think that a lot those Japanese are able to take all those blows? My theory is that they train to always be backing away from punches, so that the punch doesn't fully land. But man, they still take some amazing shots! Truly incredible.

I still think that the Yoshida vs Gracie part 2 fight was fixed, because Gracie had to be on top of Yoshida for like 3 minutes (estimating here) reigning down blows, and Yoshida wasn't even trying to defend them. to me it looked like the ref should have called it, but Pride wanted Yoshida at the very least walk away with a draw. And how about the ref calling their first fight? Gracie didn't tap, so it could be the ref protecting the fighter's safety, but it could also be fixed. So hard to tell for sure! Or maybe it's favoritism towards Japanese fighters. To me it seems that the Japenese get favoritism a lot more than any other country's fighters. Which leads me to Minowa vs Barton. I rewatched it, and Minowa is on top of Barton for a lot of the first round, and also trying submissions from the bottom, so it probably wasn't fixed (though I'm still not totally sure). And Minowa did land a lot of kicks in the second round. PLus there are definitely special rules in this fight. Barton looks around 80 pounds heavier! But, Barton is the only one doing any real damage in this fight. How Minowa took all those blows, I have no idea. I couldn't have more respect for the Japanese. BTW check out that fight as soon as you can. One hell of a fight.

Also thanks for the info on Fedor and Aleksander. I refuse to believe Fedor would use roids. And I was totally speculating on Aleksander. The guy is just huge! I don't care what Barnett says, he had to be afraid of him! And you gotta love the quote from Barnett in the post fight interview. "Forgive me, I just got hit by a giant crazy russian with a huge reaper holding a baby on his back, I think I deserve a little break". juijitsu77, I totally agree, what a cool guy! He needs to start a TV show or something. he is so entertaining outside of the ring.

Now back to watching the Total Elimination Absolute DVD and giving these fights my full attention to see if I can spot the Yakuza in the crowd reaction shots (trust me, I'll be looking for that every time I rewatch these events)... Good talking to you.

TrickyNicky

11-07-2008, 03:53 PM

There is only one fight in Pride that I can say is unquestionably a fix. That is Mark Coleman vs Nobuhiko Takada @ PRIDE 5.

Mark has unofficially said he was paid 50,000 to throw it. At the time that was a HUGE amount of money for MMA, so I don't blame him for taking it. Still, Pride wanted their puro star to have a win and they paid for it.

Morgoth Bauglir

11-07-2008, 07:29 PM

I have always had my suspicions about Takada after seeing a couple of fights where it looked like the other fighter was holding back. But I didn't even know he fought Coleman. I wonder if that is one of those fights that wasn't put out on DVD, because of an alleged fix.

EDIT- I just checked my DVD and the fight is on there. I haven't watched this in forever. I don't remember it at all, but unfortunately I will have to revisit it. Thanks for the info. I agree $50,000 would be a TON of money at the time. Still pisses me off.

TrickyNicky

11-07-2008, 07:46 PM

If you listen to Quadros and Bas doing the commentary during that fight, you can hear Quadros questioning Coleman's tactics. Then Quadros and Bas are dumbfounded as to why he would let Takada have his leg like that. It's funny that DSE (Pride's parent company) would let that actually get onto the tape.

Another note: Bas and Quadros taped the commentaries for Pride 1-8 in a studio, so they already possibly knew the results. They didn't start the live broadcasts until Pride 9, I believe.

Morgoth Bauglir

11-07-2008, 07:50 PM

I just watched it (fastforwarding a bit, gotta get back to work before they notice I've been gone :p) and it is all clear now. Sickening to watch. Now it's time to block it out of my mind again:mad:

SlothStyleKungFu

11-10-2008, 05:27 PM

There is a great, pretty detailed Q&A on Sherdog from about four years back where they interview the Pride president Sakikabara (sp?).

Regarding steroid use, he said they flat-out didnt test for it because Japanese fighters fight with honor, so no one would dream of using performance enhancers. Of course there was no follow up regarding large number of Pride fighters were Brazillian, Eurpoean, American, etc. XD who might be doping. He also said that banned substance testing in Japan was not legally regulated in any way and was up to the individual sport commission to hire and do tests at their discretion, so therefore he wasnt required to test and had faith that none of his "honorable" fighters were doing any such thing.

I loved Pride and the yearly tournament format was great, but I honestly dont miss the freak fights and the questionable matchmaking at all. I mean, both of those things pretty much killed Sakuraba, one of my favorite all time fighters. The Bushido LW and MW tourney (Bushido 9, i believe) is still one of the greatest MMA events of all time, as well as Pride 10, and the epic 2000 Grand Prix.

thehangman

11-11-2008, 09:19 PM

I miss Pride :O(

Morgoth Bauglir

11-12-2008, 01:47 AM

I just saw on Amazon that Bushido 12 is coming out December 2nd. Looks like some really good matches, like Minowa vs Butterbean:D:D:D

I miss Pride :O(

I hear ya man. It's really gonna suck when they run out of Pride events to release on DVD:(

GwaiLoMoFo

11-12-2008, 04:08 AM

Always been a big fan of Pride. Sakuraba is one of my all time favorite fighters as well. His fights with Renzo Gracie and Carlos Newton were amazing to watch. Extremely disappointing that a fight with Rickson Gracie never materialized. Only thing I never liked about Pride is the ring itself. Too many fighters took advantage of sliding out or grabbing the ropes to save their ass. All the stopping the action to re-set in different places in the ring is annoying. I think the cage is 100% better for the sport. Although I understand that watching it live is more viewer friendly in the ring. And I have to agree the matchmaking at times was horrendous.
But we still have the UFC with it's cage, lower quality fighters, no kicks and knees to a grounded opponent, and that pussy 5 minute first round. Ya gotta love the UFC
Right now the best fighters in the world are in the UFC. Unfortunately the best FIGHTER in the world isnt (Fedor). Aside from Fedor, they can all be found in the UFC. No other organization even comes close. A crime negotiations with Fedor and the UFC fell apart. Fedor didnt want to restrictions a UFC contract would bring. (Btw, cant wait for the the Fedor V Arlovski fight)
And as far as the kicks and knees to downed opponents... those things had to go in order for the bouts to be licensed/sanctioned by athletic commissions. To make it a more legitimate marketable sport that can now be seen on 4-5 network & cable tv stations almost every night. Those changes have helped the sport tremendously.
Not sure what you mean by "pussy 5 minute first round"? Have you ever tried just sparring with boxing gloves for five minutes!? I wouldnt associate the word "pussy" to describe anything involved with MMA. Its nice to revisit the old Pride events, but I do love the UFC.

Morgoth Bauglir

11-12-2008, 04:42 AM

Well we will have to agree to disagree abotu the cage. I absolutely hate it. In Pride you can't just pin the guy up against the cage and win on pure strength. I've seen it too many times and it is irritating to me. And true some guys like to hang on the ropes, but once they get 10% of their purse taken away, you see them get a lot more hesitant to hang on the ropes. and the way they restart the fighters in the center of the ring I always thought was brilliant. If you want to get close to the ropes when you are on the ground, or if your opponent wants to bring you over to the ropes, you can only get so close, and all that hard work is lost. Goes back to why I hate the cage, I like seeing guys fighting in the center, or as close to the center of the ring as possible, and that's what Pride delivers.

I spar all the time with my friends, and I get tired after throwing punches nonstop after about 30 seconds:p I need to quit smoking. But 10 minutes compared to 5 minutes, yeah, I consider it a pussy 5 minute round. A 10 minute first round is the ultimate test of endurance. There's plenty of fighters, like Shogun for example, who seem like they could throws nonstop strikes in a 20 minute round. These guys aren't human!

I didn't know fedor was fighting Arvolski. when is that going down? I predict a knockout or submission in less than 2 minutes by Fedor, no doubt in my mind.

Like I said, I just miss Pride so much. UFC has a lot of good fighters, but IMO they con't compare to the overall talent that was in Pride. But now I get to see a lot of the Pride fighters in the UFC, so I can't complain too much. It's just that it could be a whole lot better. The UFC is missing so many of my favorite fighters. Fedor and Aleksander, Charles Bennet, Mach Sakurai, Kazayuki Fujita, Tatsuya Kawajiri, Josh Barnett, Mark Hunt, Takanori Gomi...

And the kicks and knees to downed oppenents, man I miss that!! But i hear what you are saying. Nice to see MMA on TV for free.

One more thing, and this is when Pride was still working out the kinks. I loved the fight between Sakuraba and Royce Gracie in the 2000 GP. When I got that DVD I had some friends over and we were drinking, and we had a blast watching that fight. He didn't care about the tournament, he just wanted to beat Royce. Most people would be bored by that fight I think, but I can rewatch it over and over again. Though without the commentators I think it would have been much more difficult to rewatch. I'm rambling here pretty badly so I will stop :p

TrickyNicky

11-12-2008, 05:51 AM

It's not so much Pride's ring as it was overall production value that made it better. The camera angles and lighting were much better in Pride. Much easier to see the action on tv and at ringside. I really liked the Ref-cam replays.

I think they should lobby for knees to a downed opponent as long as the person being kneed is only on their knees and hands (a four point stance basically) and can see the knees coming in. That way they can intelligently defend themselves by a) standing back up or b) falling onto their back in an open guard. I think wrestlers have an unfair advantage if someone sprawls and can't knee their opponent.

No way do I ever see soccer kicks or stomps making it overseas, but I think a case could be made for knees.

Morgoth Bauglir

11-12-2008, 06:10 AM

No way do I ever see soccer kicks or stomps making it overseas

I can't see it either, but it's so damn exciting!! I know I'm just sounding like a big baby now, but MAN I MISS PRIDE!!

Tricky Nicky, completely off topic here, but I have a question that's been burning in my mind for awhile now. Did you see the epic fight betwen Diaz and Gomi? How did that fight get overturned into a no decision? :o it is clear to me that Diaz won, fair and square. I figured I should ask an expert like you who follows this stuff. I tend to just watch the fights, and not read stories associated with the fights.

EDIT- nevermind, I just found it on google, and the fight was overturned because Diaz tested positive for weed. With the way that fight went, I have to wonder if they got the samples reversed and maybe Gomi was the one who was smoking :p

TrickyNicky

11-12-2008, 06:43 AM

I've seen it. It was my Fight of the Year for sure. It was overturned because Diaz tested positive for a banned substance. Ready to be ticked off? The substance was Marijuana. IMO he was robbed and should never have had it overturned. Its not like he won a close decision, no, he choked him out. I'm still a little upset, but the Diaz brothers are crazy.

Morgoth Bauglir

11-12-2008, 06:49 AM

lol looks like you came in with your answer just after I looked it up on google. thanks for the info though. I would have never EVER guessed that!! Maybe I need to start smoking weed again, and I will have more energy:p:p I totally agree with you, that should count as a win for Diaz. But his mistake.

GwaiLoMoFo

11-13-2008, 05:28 AM

I think wrestlers have an unfair advantage if someone sprawls and can't knee their opponent.
You know I never thought of it that way, you bring up a very good point!
In Pride you can't just pin the guy up against the cage and win on pure strength. I've seen it too many times and it is irritating to me. And true some guys like to hang on the ropes, but once they get 10% of their purse taken away, you see them get a lot more hesitant to hang on the ropes. and the way they restart the fighters in the center of the ring I always thought was brilliant.
You cant just pin a a guy up against the cage and win on pure strength in the UFC. YOu have to show effective agressivness (ie improving position, landing strikes, submissions) or the fight is restarted at the center. Are you saying its "unfair" for a stronger fighter to use his strength to his advantage? If a guy can pick up an opponent, slam him on the ground, hold him down and beat the snot outta him he deserves to win. Its the most glamorous way to win. Its up the the other fighter to get himself outta hot water (not the ref). In the ring all a guy has to do is scoot out of the ring throw an arm/leg on the rope to save himself. Making the fighters stop, stand up and lay back down in the center of the ring was terrible imo. It changes the fight and gives the fighter on bottom a unearned breather. Just the fact that they stop the fight to re-position was annoying. Especially since the fighter on bottom would usually just start trying to scoot right back outta the ring again.
Fedor and Aleksander, Charles Bennet, Mach Sakurai, Kazayuki Fujita, Tatsuya Kawajiri, Josh Barnett, Mark Hunt, Takanori Gomi...
I enjoyed watching those fighters as well, but honestly Fedor is the only "great" fighter in that bunch.
I didn't know fedor was fighting Arvolski. when is that going down? I predict a knockout or submission in less than 2 minutes by Fedor, no doubt in my mind.
January 24th

Btw, anybody see Urijah Faber get KTFO in the first round! A good example how his unorthodox style can be dangerous (to himself). Jens Pulver also got KTFO in less than a minute on the same card.

Morgoth Bauglir

11-13-2008, 05:57 AM

You cant just pin a a guy up against the cage and win on pure strength in the UFC.

True, but it's easier to win on pure strength with the cage than without it. With the cage you can just keep pushing the guy against the cage, if they are in a ring there's ways to get out. In the UFC you are screwed. Too many fighters just look to get the guy up against the cage and pound on him. I like seeing skill over strength, or better yet, a combination of skill and strength. Guys like Tito Ortiz wouldn't have near as many wins without a cage. They rely on it.

Another thing I hate about the UFc is that you don't see the premiere fighters all that often, at least not as often as what Pride delivered. Every Pride event there would be like 5 or 6 fights I would be looking forward to. I'm lucky to have 3 fights that I look forward to on a UFC card. And before Pride fighters started fighting in the UFC, I would have between 0 to 2 matches to look forward to. That's just me though. I know there's a lot of good UFC fighters, but I like the Pride fighters a lot more.

the fighter on bottom would usually just start trying to scoot right back outta the ring again.

Honestly I don't remember seeing this. If it did happen, especially over and over again, they would keep getting 10% of their purse taken away, and the fighters always respond after they get their money taken away. Are there some fights you can point out where guys would just keep trying to scoot out of the ring over and over again? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

I enjoyed watching those fighters as well, but honestly Fedor is the only "great" fighter in that bunch.

We will just have to agree to disagree once again here. I always considered Gomi to be a truly great fighter. Keep in mind I only listed a handful of my favorite Pride fighters, but besides Gomi and Fedor, the rest of those guys I listed I just think are EXTREMELY good, except for Fujita. Fujita's my favorite fighter of alltime, so to me he's a great fighter. he never failed to amaze me. His fight against Mark kerr, Fedor (the closest anyone's ever come to beating Fedor), James Thompson (by far the most prepared and well trained Thompson I've seen), Bob Sapp, and Ken Shamrock when he was still a good fighter. And with how young Aleksander is and how much he's improved in his 5 year MMA career, I definitely see him becoming a great fighter. Hell, now that I think about it, I think all those guys I listed are great fighters, and they could beat any UFC fighter at any time. But of course the same goes for the UFC fighters. They could beat any of the Prde figters. that's why they have the fights, to see who will win. For example, Ryo Chonan vs Anderson Silva. Did anyone actually think Chonan had a shot against Silva? I didn't.

TrickyNicky

11-13-2008, 03:00 PM

I can think of only one fight where a fighter deliberately moved to the ropes as an escape: Mark Kerr vs Branko Cikatic @ Pride 2 or 3. That was a hilarious fight because Branko had no business in the MMA world and Kerr at that point was still a legit #1 heavyweight in the world and was an absolute monster. I don't blame the guy, I would do all in my power to get away from him back then too.

Also, fun little fact: Besides his first pro fight ever, Anderson Silva has only lost to Japanese fighters. Ryo Chonan, Daiju Takase, and Yushin Okami.

thehangman

11-13-2008, 03:18 PM

I love the Anderson Silva V Chonan fight,wow what a submission!
I know we have Dream now but it hasnt got the depth of fighters that pride had as alot of them went to ufc.
Sayin that i do love ufc but miss the days of pride and the soccer kicks and knees to head of downed opponent.

Morgoth Bauglir

11-13-2008, 07:20 PM

That is a fun fact Tricky Nicky, though I'm sure you would agree he didn't exactly "lose" to Okami. I remember the commentary went something like this. "What a knockout by Silva! Devastating kick... Wait a sec, they are saying that Silva has been disqualified." His mistake, but I know everyone was pissed that he was disqualified in the first round of that tournament.

hangman I hear you on that submission by Chonan. Do submissions get any sweeter than thatXD

TrickyNicky

12-02-2008, 04:48 PM

YouTube - 3rd man pride fc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heozZjAUZjo&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div)

Sorry to bump an old thread. But I saw this highlight video and just had to share it.

Morgoth Bauglir

12-03-2008, 02:08 AM

That is an awesome vid. I don't notice the ref cam too much when I'm watching the fights, so it's nice to see a clip where it's nothing but the ref cam.

BTW Tricky Nicky Bushido volume 12 came out today. Stacked card and 14 fights.

Gaijin84

12-03-2008, 02:48 AM

That is a great video. I'm also a huge fan of Pride, I really miss it. They really knew how to put on a show - it was a real event each time. They had such an incredible stable of fighters that every show was just jampacked with fights you had to see. Even if every match up wasn't top rank vs top rank, they always managed to have fights that were fun as well, be it with Korean giant Hong-Man Choi or the always entertaining Butterbean. Seeing Cro Cop with those kicks makes me disappointed in his demise.

I've started to rent the Pride Legacy DVD series to start over at the beginning and see how it all progressed.