Fist Of Unicorn audio commentary

[falkor]

The way Andrew Staton asks Toby if he's seen the "cart scene" from the Mandarin Big Boss is in a certain tone of voice that implies Andrew himself has seen it--exactly the same way Will Johnston spoke in the Big Boss Platinum audio commentary. It's like saying "Did you hear about how 33 people got shot in a Virginia school by a South Korean guy?" Of course everyone is aware of this news already... "Yeah, isn't it awful!"
He must have expected Toby to reply by saying "Yeah, the cart scene is one of my favourites" or something like that. I could be wrong, but I picked up certain vibes as if Andrew was asking in a condescending way, as if to tease Toby that Andrew has seen the uncut Big Boss. Therefore, if Big Boss Platinum and Fist Of Unicorn audio commentaries are anything to go by, I'm now wondering if the rumours might be true: Steve K and Dave Tadman may indeed be the source of a much sought after uncut Mandarin version of Big Boss like they claim (hard to believe at first). Will and Andrew mention the 1979 London showing, but they talk as if they've seen it much more recently... I'm certainly no fool! Or maybe I am? :b

[Linn1]

but having heard this one, but I heard The Big Boss one and I agree. Just from what I've heard over the years, I don't doubt there's fans who have this.

[chen lung]

I'm certainly no fool! Or maybe I am?
Apparantly, Andrew asked Steve, but was told he didn't have it or something (can't confirm). Fred Weintaub has been asked twice, and he claims he doesn't have one either.

Hearing more of the export English dub would have been nice. Seen 6 clips of it (2 from the trailer, one from Star TV, 3 standalone).

BTW, whilst we're on the subject, I created this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2mnPFN9d2fo) using your clip. Thanks again man :) . Donno how HKL recreated it. Jason Hart says his copy has the extra head in the ice, whereas you said yours doesn't. Rather odd I must say:\ .

[Squid Lips]

This story has always interested me. Though I know one of the mentioned collectors above does not have the footage I imagine there could have been a sequence shot at one time. But like Japanese films of the era, many things were shot and ONLY used in the trailer, never edited into a final cut.

Yes, I know there is about 50 people that remember this "one screening" where the footage was used but my belief has always been that maybe these scenes were shot and never used (run-time, censors, etc.) or maybe mock publicity photos were made to push the film, but like the 19th floor of Game Of Death which has been "seen" by a handful of fans, this "one screening" that took place in the early 70s is just a fanboy's fantasy (and hey.... I'm a fanboy).

[greenbamboo]

Well Dave Tadman told me he has seen the uncut version with saw-in-head scene etc. He said Fred has it (a right @#%$ by all accounts) and Bruce also sent a copy to Sy Weintraub.

Pic of Bruce & Sy
http://littledragon.builtfree.org/palmer/palmer1.jpg

[killer meteor]

So the saw legend's true?

[the dirty tiger]

I dont believe it. Nobody has the saw in the head.

[morgoth]

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[greenbamboo]

Well BL sent original copies of BOSS over to US. Fred Weintraub was sent a copy from Bruce - him, Ted Ashley watched it at Warners. They started the Enter the Dragon project cuz of seeing Bruce onscreen in BOSS. They knew Bruce could be big and loved his action. The rare unseen Fist of Fury trailer with Bruce and Bob Baker were shown at these first BOSS showings in HK. Dave Tadman told me Fred has this too. So he has two very rare historic BL footages. Well Dave said he's seen the saw-in-head scene. That was shown on the first release Mandarin version of BOSS. Saw-in-head wasn't shown at the UK 1979 convention (Will Johnson was there, so was Carl Jones who posts on this forum, i think Andy Staton was there too). Other missing scenes were - burning cart, second prositute. Only telling you what i've been told - Dave is a good friend so i believe him.

[the dirty tiger]

We have all seen photos of the saw in head, what of the actual footage, DT claims to have seen it ? I dont think so.......

[Markgway]

My theory is that if photos of the saw-in-the-head exist (which they do) then so does the actual filmed footage (or at least it did at one point). There's no way a no-budget production like The Big Boss would've rigged-up a mock saw gag purely for the stills. If they went to that bother they surely intended to use it. I suspect it was cut for all re-issues and that the (reliable) people who say they saw it in 1971 probably did.

[greenbamboo]

Hey Dirty Tiger

You can always ask DT about it at my BL forum :-

www.network54.com/Forum/256969/ (http://www.network54.com/Forum/256969/)

[the dirty tiger]

I dont doubt that it existed at some point and may still be in the GH vaults some place. But I highly doubt that anyone actually has the footage or else we would have seen it by now. Chances are the footage was left on the cutting room floor never to be seen again.....

[Squid Lips]

Yeah, here is the thing, I am sure there is Bruce Lee footage out there no one has seen lately (outtakes from every film are the obvious examples since no film shoots only one take) but most of these Urban Legends are not going to be true. Any collectors with the footage would have pulled a frame or two at some point and sent it madly across the Internet if found.

Chances are if this stuff did exist and is still around, they are buried in a vault somewhere and no one knowingly has it. These fan boy legends (spoken with love) about so and so collector having the footage but no one has seen it get really old after awhile.

(Tadman I will say is the real deal and when he has something in hand he'll say it and if not, he won't make it up.)

[greenbamboo]

Who worked with Fred Weintraub on the Blood & Steel doc for 30th Anniversary 2 disc 'Enter the Dragon' edition dvd. Who got the Ahna Capri footage on that doc. Answer is DT. Check the credits. DT seen these footages from Fred Weintraub. Steve Kerridge owns an uncut version of BOSS - big mate of DT's. Here's an interview with him at my BL site :-

littledragon.builtfree.org/kerridge.html (http://littledragon.builtfree.org/kerridge.html)

3/ Firstly, rumours have it you have an uncut Big Boss print with saw scene and you know the other scenes exist still with prositute etc. Is this true and please confirm that the "saw" scene exists?!
Secondly, when the hell can we fans see this if it does exist?
Thirdly, when is the next BL convention in London please? Loved the last one, itching for more. Scratch me please!!
Lastly, thank God you are saying to yourself, BBC doc/interview on the set of ETD, exists, speculations, or really is still out there some where? Bring it to us and you will be bigger to us BL fans than Robbie Williams when he was good.
Greg P

Steve Kerridge : Well.... i can assure you that YES the saw scene does exist, and cannot say anything else on the matter... believe me i've been approached by Hong Kong Legends and a few others who will pay good money, but because of my word, i will not bend..Convention ? Well...that could be around the corner, really depends on what happens over the next 6 to 8 months..BBC interview ..hmmm ..well, i have hunted this phantom footage with every effort possible and my conclusion is - It never existed in the first place...sorry to disappoint... and no one is bigger than Robbie hehe..

[the dirty tiger]

2 words for you - my ass. He dont have it. If he did then he would have sold it cause HKL would offer BIG money as they know every Bruce fan in the world would want it. I will as always believe it when I see it ;)

[Markgway]

Well.... i can assure you that YES the saw scene does exist, and cannot say anything else on the matter... believe me i've been approached by Hong Kong Legends and a few others who will pay good money, but because of my word, i will not bend..

Who has he promised and why?

What possible reason could there be for sitting on this footage?

Is it because once the footage is out there these uber-fans lose their importance?

[chen lung]

2 words for you - my ass. He dont have it.
He's hardly going to lie if he's releasing books with rare photographs, AND providing ones of deleted scenes from 'TBB' for Jason Hart's article.

If he did then he would have sold it cause HKL would offer BIG money as they know every Bruce fan in the world would want it.
HKL were probably on a budget in 2000 and now, they don't really give a @#%$. If you read that page, Steve said that he won't sell it.

If HKL knew what they wanted, then they wouldn't have left off Bey's commentary, the Mandarin soundtrack and corrected the audio problem during the riverside mourning.

I will as always believe it when I see it
Fair enough, but don't totally blank the guy. Not as if we're talking about some forum 'member' who likes spreading crap around.

[the dirty tiger]

Dont get me wrong, respect to SK and all the mad Bruce fans. I am not a big fan personally but I respect the good work by Mister Kerridge, Mr. Tadman and others. Just people keep saying they have things but I need proof. I am a logical and practical person and if I dont see it for myself then I dont believe it.

[greenbamboo]

Does anyone know where this top quality missing scene shot comes from?

http://thumbsnap.com/images/HhPDz2uH.jpg

[chen lung]

it was from the unreleased Video Asia DVD.

[the dirty tiger]

It was in one of the original trailers for the film that I believe is available on one or more of the many many dvd's as an extra feature.

[greenbamboo]

I've just found out that this came from a fan in Turkey who was trying to sell an uncut copy to a friend of mine. I think he was talking @#%$. That screen capture looks better than most trailer copies i've seen. That's why i was interested. Oh well......

[chen lung]

It was in one of the original trailers for the film that I believe is available on one or more of the many many dvd's as an extra feature.
It's not from the DVDs as this screencapture has unique info at the top, and overall better clarity. It's 720x756 resolution indicates it comes from a non-anamorphic PAL DVD. Video Asia discs are US based and in NTSC, but it could have been PAL first, before (if it ever got released) it was converted.

[Squid Lips]

Yeah, that is a pretty sharp capture. Better than most copies of the trailer I have seen.

[Robert Ian Teller]

Someone on this board claimed to have the VideoAsia disc then they claimed to have been ordered to destroy it.

For those like myself who don't know, what is the truth behind this VideoAsia release?

[chen lung]

Someone on this board claimed to have the VideoAsia disc then they claimed to have been ordered to destroy it.
If that is true, then it was probably done just incase someone was sneaky enough to get them into deep @#%$ by selling it illegally against an already-issued warning from Fortune Star (donno if Fortune Star ever did issue one, but they were the rights holders I believe at the time, and still are).

For those like myself who don't know, what is the truth behind this VideoAsia release?
George Tan of Video Asia and Toby Russell have abridged copies of the film in it's rarely seen English export version made by Golden Harvest back in 1971. A 35mm (bad condition) print was shown twice in England in the mid-90s by Toby himself, of this particular English version.

It was a release planned in mid-2004 on DVD, which was to contain a number of extras, in addition to the DVD-debut of this version. BL's following film 'Fist of Fury', was to receive similar 'never before seen version' treatment, but I don't think there's been any discussion of 'other' footage (the only things that haven't been seen are 1971/2 trailers/teasers). Little else is known publically except above (certain forum members own a copy of it).

No-one has come forward with a complete print of the English version, but the Mandarin one does exist in private hands. Deals may have already been made as we speak for Joy Sales, or the likes to release it. After all, the specs provided by muldoon at Asian DVD Guide (http://adg.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=1844) seem to fit perfectly.

[stormybman]

How about the missing " saw in the prostitute's A@#, while she was riding in the burning cart at night in the alley, " scene, that's been missing from Raymond Chow's contract, that he put out... oh, never mind. :lol

[Squid Lips]

If I had a nickle for everyone that "saw the missing footage in a screening back in the 70s" or "know a guy who knows a guy with a copy" or "Had a copy but had to destroy it" I'd be a rich son of a bitch.

Truth is, 99% of those stories are all false. Not to say a scenes and multiple takes were filmed and then cut out of the final product (this is common practice in filmmaking anyway) but that these prints exist WITH these scenes and NOTHING outside of obscure photos have shown up or clips in trailers, it is safe to assume they are gone and buried in the vaults of Golen Harvest or probably more likely (as in the case of the several hours of ENTER behind The Scenes) lost/thrown away/destroyed.

There are fans out there that love the attention of saying they had seen or owned something everybody wants to see. I have read books worth of forum discussion between people who "saw" the other 5 levels in Game Of Death and those who wanted to hear all about it. I was one of those early people that had all uncut 90 minutes of GOD (minus the "log" fight") and would post frame after frame of the footage to show Lee going BACK DOWN the stairs after beating Jabbar and not UP to fight The Samurai or whoever.

Ended that discussion pretty fast once evidence was shown.

But it is usually easy to see past that stuff when the story involves a set up that requires no proof.

I am a huge Lee fan and know there is obviously film that was shot of him we have not seen (alternate takes, behind the scenes, etc.) as every once in awhile I get from a friend Enter The Dragon outtakes or Game Of Death footage, etc. but most of it no one has seen since and the idea of these fans in their "underground" screening rooms with these films got old and tired back in the early 80s.

But I did see some clips of Yang Sze rehearsing with Bruce for his fight scene in Game Of Death......

[greenbamboo]

What did you see of Bolo and Bruce rehearsal clips for GOD? Where was this filmed, indoors, outdoors? Thanks.

[fabhui]

What did you see of Bolo and Bruce rehearsal clips for GOD? Where was this filmed, indoors, outdoors? Thanks

He's only joking!;)

[Squid Lips]

Sorry Green Bamboo. I was just trying to make a joke. Not to say that this fight was never intended of course.

[greenbamboo]

ok thanks :) well someone claimed to see some footage of Bruce and Bolo working out on the set of ENTER back in the 70s. These are probably the shots of Bruce, Bolo and Wu Ngan wearing yellow karate suit that you can see in pics. Henry Wong shot hours of behind-the-scenes footages on GOD and ENTER for a documentary Bruce had in the works for his Concord Film Company. I don't know if Bolo was meant to be in GOD but he was with Bruce and George Lazenby just prior to his passing so maybe he was to be involved.

[Squid Lips]

Apparently all the behind the scenes of ENTER actually did get lost. Not sure of the exact details but hours of footage was in the can and then lost.

I used to know Lazenby pretty well and he said he was never around any filming of GAME but knew he was coming on to join the cast of something already in the works.

There is a pretty cool unreleased doc on Enter with some outtakes and interviews I have. No new Behind The Scenes stuff though.

[killer meteor]

Regarding Enter The Dragon, tons of footage was shot for that little 10minute promo and the remainder was junked by the New York editing company. Apparently,one of Bruce's genuine fights was filmed

[greenbamboo]

I was told by David Tadman that when Bruce died, Raymond Chow demanded that Warners send them all of the Henry Wong ENTER footages over to him. Warners made a copy of all the footage before sending it to Chow. But Warners won't release it because it's not profitable for them. They will have to find it in their vaults. They asked Henry Wong to come and look for it. He said he's too old now and can't be bothered. Raymond Chow told Henry that the footages was destroyed but who can trust what he says. He used some of the ENTER stuff in GOD 2. You're not going to destroy BL footage especially when he died before the release of ENTER. It's easier to say it's destroyed then you don't get hassle from BL fans. If you paid them a load of money then things may change :)