Fong Sai Yuk (DVD - Dragon Dynasty)

[BLfan]

Seems like the release date for Fong Sai Yuk is March 10 2009.

http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.549416/qx/details.htm

[niro]

thats kool...i still have yet to get their fist of legend release, but the GBP is weak so importing from US is more expensive :(

[luckystars]

Now that *could* be interesting. :)

I've never been moved to upgrade from my taped-off-tv VHS of FSY 1&2. Given that in the past all the DVD releases seem to have been somewhat flawed...here's hoping ;)

[Markgway]

The £ is dog shit thanks to Gordon Brown and his bankers.

[Yi-Long]

March is still 3 months away, so by that time most likely the dollar will have plummeted and even the weak pound will look pretty good against the US dollar again. Dont worry.

[doug maverick]

hoprfully the punk ass bankers start lending again and we'll all have a merry christmas.

[Charuto]

This is my favorite Jet Li movie ever. Yes, even more so than Fist of Legend. :l:o:quiet:

[dMG]

I just hope part 2 will get the same treatment

[BLfan]

It is called The legend of Fong Sai Yuk (looks like it going to be a remastered version of the Legend with mono cantonese) and it is being release on 26/05/09

http://www.dragondynasty.com/films/show/114

[HyperDrive]

They just had to put the redundant "The Legend of" on there. Lol

[Solid Ronin]

...Dammit, I didn't want to buy a DVD this weekend but looks like I got no choice! Waitaminute... Only Canton Mono ... what the hell!?

[Markgway]

So it's another cut Dimension version???

cfku!!

[chen lung]

I think it'll be uncut.

The LEGEND lettering is smart-arse. They've used the (UK) Channel 4 title for two reasons - to remind people of 'The Legend' and the fact that 'Fong Sai Yuk' doesn't mean anything to the average Joe. Most people will know it's a name.

Interesting cover art that uses the Japanese DVD pose. I'm not a fan of DD artwork, but I've seen far worse.

It's one of my favourites, I hope the image is really good and the subtitles too. I used to have the UK broadcast on tape, but now I've got the Universe (slightly cut) DVD and the uncut Maxam (Japanese) DVD - with crap audio.

They could have included the scenes from another Chinese version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vx0HaWp0Dk).

It would be nice to have heard the original English dub in mono, but it's annoying they don't include them.

The French release came out recently after a long wait, but the image still looked a little bit shitty. It could be touched up by professionals though and it would look nice.

[Killer Meteor]

...Dammit, I didn't want to buy a DVD this weekend but looks like I got no choice! Waitaminute... Only Canton Mono ... what the hell!?

Cantonese mono is good!

[chen lung]

Cantonese mono is good!
In cases like these where shit remixes and downmixes occur, indeed. It's safer.

However, I think he was just referring to the fact there's no Cantonese 5.1 option in addition to the mono. I'd like 5.1 if it was well done, but most of the time, it's not.

[Markgway]

5.1 remixes are the aural equivilent of colourization.

[chen lung]

5.1 remixes are the aural equivilent of colourization.
Well said:).

[David Rees]

Great cover.....hopefully Cantonese true mono, not a downmix like Tai Chi Master....


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[Solid Ronin]

In cases like these where shit remixes and downmixes occur, indeed. It's safer.

However, I think he was just referring to the fact there's no Cantonese 5.1 option in addition to the mono. I'd like 5.1 if it was well done, but most of the time, it's not.

I've only seen more recent movies in 5.1 so I wouldn't know about the remixes being crap... well that's cool I guess.

[blue_skies]

no 5.1 wtf? I know some people want mono but I want to see my fave older titles with surround sound mixes just like the latest titles. why can't we have both?

[KUNG FU BOB]

It is called The legend of Fong Sai Yuk (looks like it going to be a remastered version of the Legend with mono cantonese) and it is being release on 26/05/09

http://www.dragondynasty.com/films/show/114

...Dammit, I didn't want to buy a DVD this weekend but looks like I got no choice! Waitaminute... Only Canton Mono ... what the hell!?

Solid Ronin- you've got two more months before this comes out. :D If you really were able to pick this up over the weekend, please share the name of the place where you shop. ;)

[Solid Ronin]

Oh it in May now! Oh ok...

could anyone suggest a good version of FSY 2? I see two version on amazon:

Both version have the same running time except one saying its Hong Kong import but all regions. Hmm. Legend II Hong Kong (http://www.amazon.com/Fong-Sai-Yuk-II/dp/B000XT95VI/ref=pd_cp_d_2?pf_rd_p=413864101&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000S5SXOC&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0296MJ985SZA5YM0HKAM)
Legend II American (http://www.amazon.com/Jet-Li-Legend-Cory-Yuel/dp/B000S5SXOC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1238268130&sr=1-3)

[GwaiLoMoFo]

Clarification on the new DD version direct from Bey:
Hi, Shane, the good news is that we will have the original Cantonese track, but, again thanks to the red tape at the original Hong Kong film company, we won't have the scenes from the Hong Kong version. It drives me crazy, but these guys don't give a ^%$# about their fans in the west (or anywhere else!). Thanks for your support! - Bey
Obviously he's as happy about it as we are.

[Charuto]

I love this movie and the sequel. For the longest time, I thought his "Fong Sai Yuk" voice was his real voice.

[Markgway]

Yes, it's amazing how Dragon Dynasty manages to have trouble with obtaining uncut versions of their movies. Must be that nasty HK company's fault. Oh, hang on, weren't the last few CUT releases all from different distributors? Er, yes.

I love this movie and the sequel. For the longest time, I thought his "Fong Sai Yuk" voice was his real voice.

Jet didn't speak much Cantonese at the time. First time his real voice was heard was on the Mandarin track for OUATIC... and America. In Cantonese it was The Hitman.

[DeathShrike]

Wait wait wait wait wait. So we have the Canto track, but it's the old Dimension cut? Are you fucking kidding me?

[DeathShrike]

The Dragon Dynasty website lists the run time as 100min. HKflix lists the runtime of the old Dimension release of The Legend as 95min, while the old Universe release I have runs at 100min. Which cut are they using? Is Bey talking about deleted scenes? Or is there an even longer cut out there? WHAT IS HAPPENING. This movie is in my top five MA films, and it's driving me NUTS.

[chen lung]

It'll be the Dimension version with an abridged Cantonese soundtrack attached - much like 'Supercop's situation.

Dragon Dynasty obviously wanted the HK version, but due to legal shit in HK, they can't present it. 'Tai Chi Master' has been the only film from the Miramax titles that wasn't a Dimension version.

[DeathShrike]

It'll be the Dimension version with an abridged Cantonese soundtrack attached - much like 'Supercop's situation.

Dragon Dynasty obviously wanted the HK version, but due to legal shit in HK, they can't present it. 'Tai Chi Master' has been the only film from the Miramax titles that wasn't a Dimension version.

Well then what is the fucking point? sigh. I guess I just have to hope that one day some one will slip me one of the mythical fan-made dvds of Fong Sai Yuk I keep hearing about.

[Yi-Long]

Clarification on the new DD version direct from Bey:

Obviously he's as happy about it as we are.

1: I've stopped taking Bey serious a long long time ago about what he feels is right forthe western audience. He never minded the cutting of HK/asian movies much, and pretty much agrees with it cause 'western audiences wouldn't get it'.

2: it's April Fools day. I don't take any news seriously on this day. I wouldn't put it past him to post this 'news' just so he can piss off the 'fanboys'.

[chen lung]

Well then what is the fucking point? sigh.
I think once DD set a deadline for a release, they've got to stick to it. Perhaps they didn't realise they'd be faced with such problems. Until recently, Bey seemed certain that it would be uncut (in an interview - depending on when it was conducted?), but I'm assuming things have changed since.

With 'My Father Is A Hero', you could certainly question the point that aside from extras, there was little difference between the previous DVD and nothing to render it purchase-worthy (some people value the film's presentation more than extras). However, the Cantonese soundtrack will be on this film and extras too. I'm certainly not defending the cuts, but if you judge the small amount of them from an overall perspective, some might find they can get past it.

Some people say that a distributor is entitled to do what ever they want and I appreciate certain things are needed to render the film suitable for particular audiences. However, DVDs do have capabilities such as multi-audio tracks and seamless branching. Unless you don't have rights to the original (for genuine reasons), how can the exclusion be defended?

Whilst I appreciate the remaining effort from the available resources on this film, I won't buy it because of the cuts and the transfer will probably suck.

[Markgway]

Dragon Dynasty obviously wanted the HK version, but due to legal shit in HK, they can't present it.

How many times can they use that excuse?

[WuxiaFan]

I think once DD set a deadline for a release, they've got to stick to it. Perhaps they didn't realise they'd be faced with such problems. Until recently, Bey seemed certain that it would be uncut (in an interview - depending on when it was conducted?), but I'm assuming things have changed since.

With 'My Father Is A Hero', you could certainly question the point that aside from extras, there was little difference between the previous DVD and nothing to render it purchase-worthy (some people value the film's presentation more than extras). However, the Cantonese soundtrack will be on this film and extras too. I'm certainly not defending the cuts, but if you judge the small amount of them from an overall perspective, some might find they can get past it.

Some people say that a distributor is entitled to do what ever they want and I appreciate certain things are needed to render the film suitable for particular audiences. However, DVDs do have capabilities such as multi-audio tracks and seamless branching. Unless you don't have rights to the original (for genuine reasons), how can the exclusion be defended?

Whilst I appreciate the remaining effort from the available resources on this film, I won't buy it because of the cuts and the transfer will probably suck.

chen lung--Completely agree! What's the best version of FSY right now?

[GwaiLoMoFo]

I wouldn't put it past him to post this 'news' just so he can piss off the 'fanboys'.
He didnt post this "news", it was a personal email correspondence. He's one of the only company reps who actually takes time to do so.

[chen lung]

What's the best version of FSY right now?
The French DVD it would seem. However, it's got no English subtitles.

I'd love for the image to be re-levelled (example (http://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1967&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2140)) and remastered subtitles added to it.

I've got the Japanese and HK DVDs.

How many times can they use that excuse?
How do you mean?

[Killer Meteor]

I suspect DD's rights from Dimension was only for the shorter versions, and for whatever reason they won't pay to get the longer versions

Another possibility: whoever Dimension got the rights from originally may not be the same company to get the uncut materials from.

Either way, what's the point? Stop wasting time with cut, dubbed only messes and get more old school kung fu out!

[chen lung]

I suspect DD's rights from Dimension was only for the shorter versions, and for whatever reason they won't pay to get the longer versions
It wouldn't explain 'Tai Chi Master's seemingly export print - plus the inclusion of Cantonese soundtracks. Unless DD had some non-Dimension materials, but not everything.

Either way, what's the point? Stop wasting time with cut, dubbed only messes and get more old school kung fu out!
Because of sales figures, that probably won't happen right now.

[David Rees]

What was cut exactly .....????


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[ericf]

Cuts are explained a bit in the first review here:

http://www.amazon.com/Fong-Sai-Yuk-Jet-Li/product-reviews/6304745281

US Cut of Fong Sai Yuk I is 95 minutes long. Original cut is 106 minutes long.
You be the judge.

Fong Sai Yuk II was cut by about 3 minutes. Still, it was cut.

ericf

[gorhama]

I'll be getting this....just to do my part to keep DD going until they can release a few more SHAW BROTHERS titles. At least I hope.....:S

[KUNG FU BOB]

Cuts are explained a bit in the first review here:

http://www.amazon.com/Fong-Sai-Yuk-Jet-Li/product-reviews/6304745281

US Cut of Fong Sai Yuk I is 95 minutes long. Original cut is 106 minutes long.
You be the judge.

Fong Sai Yuk II was cut by about 3 minutes. Still, it was cut.

ericf

Hey ericf, welcome to the board, and thanks for that link- very helpful. When Dimension first released FSY I was pissed because it was dubbed only. I already owned the uncut HK DVD so I had no reason to watch the US release, but I felt bad for US viewers. Now that I know they did their old scissorhands routine on this title I'm even more annoyed. I'd love to pick up the DD release to support the company and see (and hear) the extras, but... Damn! That's so aggravating! How many shit versions am I supposed to buy before I throw in the towel on these guys? SUPERCOP, MY FATHER IS HERO, and now FONG SAI YUK? No, I don't think so. F**k those Weinsteins! I'll rent it. Sorry Bey, I'm trying to stand behind DD's stuff... but geez!

[gorhama]

Hey ericf, welcome to the board, and thanks for that link- very helpful. When Dimension first released FSY I was pissed because it was dubbed only. I already owned the uncut HK DVD so I had no reason to watch the US release, but I felt bad for US viewers. Now that I know they did their old scissorhands routine on this title I'm even more annoyed. I'd love to pick up the DD release to support the company and see (and hear) the extras, but... Damn! That's so aggravating! How many shit versions am I supposed to buy before I throw in the towel on these guys? SUPERCOP, MY FATHER IS HERO, and now FONG SAI YUK? No, I don't think so. F**k those Weinsteins! I'll rent it. Sorry Bey, I'm trying to stand behind DD's stuff... but geez!

I do feel the same way at times, but I am able to hide it away and find ways to enjoy the releases, be it a Bey Logan commentary or an interesting interview. I do agree releasing this titles un-cut would be great and they would probably sell way more copies.

[TibetanWhiteCrane]

many movies I buy exclusively for the Bey Logan AC's. Not a huge Jet Li or Bruce Lee fan, but I bought the HKL and DD titles of their movies just to hear his points and anecdotes! If nothing else, you learn alot.

DD has really been dropping the ball lately, but it is wrong to blame him. He doesn't run the company, and will of course defend it to the best of his ability. It's his bread and butter!

[daisho2004]

What exactly are they cutting, which Scene? I hate it when they do this. I was so pissed when IVL cut the fight scene in Avenging Eagle at the end of the movie and you could tell right where it happened! If your going to release a movie then release it uncut or don't release it at all. And don't F@#K Up the language tracks!

[KUNG FU BOB]

Cuts are explained a bit in the first review here:

http://www.amazon.com/Fong-Sai-Yuk-Jet-Li/product-reviews/6304745281

US Cut of Fong Sai Yuk I is 95 minutes long. Original cut is 106 minutes long.
You be the judge.

Fong Sai Yuk II was cut by about 3 minutes. Still, it was cut.

ericf

I do feel the same way at times, but I am able to hide it away and find ways to enjoy the releases, be it a Bey Logan commentary or an interesting interview. I do agree releasing this titles un-cut would be great and they would probably sell way more copies.

many movies I buy exclusively for the Bey Logan AC's. Not a huge Jet Li or Bruce Lee fan, but I bought the HKL and DD titles of their movies just to hear his points and anecdotes! If nothing else, you learn alot.

DD has really been dropping the ball lately, but it is wrong to blame him. He doesn't run the company, and will of course defend it to the best of his ability. It's his bread and butter!

Hey guys, I'm a big fan of Bey Logan and don't blame him at all. In fact, just like you- I've re-bought many films that I already owned nice DVDs of, just to get a new version so I could hear Bey's commentaries. I have told him that, and he was very grateful. Of course he has to defend his employers- I get that. Just like the stuntmen Jimmy Wang Yu beat until they threw up, Bey is having to put up with the crap of the Weinsteins so he can keep his job. I totally sympathize with him. But those W brothers can kiss my ass!

[QUOTE=daisho2004;87136]What exactly are they cutting, which Scene?QUOTE]

Daisho, I requoted the post for you with the "cuts" info. It's the first one above.

[gorhama]

Good points Bob......but I was one of those that never thought about a region free player as when I was younger I only cared about fight scenes and as I got older and became a true fan.

I do agree if I had the un-cut version of a film DD was releasing and they were releasing a cut version like they have recently it would be hard to buy another copy just to hear Bey no matter how much of a fan I am.

That being wrote......I think a region free player will be in my future given my newfound SHAW BROS kick!!! ;)

[KUNG FU BOB]

Good points Bob......but I was one of those that never thought about a region free player as when I was younger I only cared about fight scenes and as I got older and became a true fan.

I do agree if I had the un-cut version of a film DD was releasing and they were releasing a cut version like they have recently it would be hard to buy another copy just to hear Bey no matter how much of a fan I am.

That being wrote......I think a region free player will be in my future given my newfound SHAW BROS kick!!! ;)

Hurry up bro, some of these region 3 IVL DVDs are OOP already.

[HAZ]

Bey should just release CDs of his commentary! Skip the dvd!

[Markgway]

I do feel the same way at times, but I am able to hide it away and find ways to enjoy the releases, be it a Bey Logan commentary or an interesting interview. I do agree releasing this titles un-cut would be great and they would probably sell way more copies.

All that does is encourage them to do it again.

They fuck up and you still give them your hard-earned cash.

Why should they bother then?

[KUNG FU BOB]

Well, personally I kept thinking that they did a great job on their Shaw releases, so I'd support their lesser stuff in hopes of more. But I just looked at my old FONG SAI YUK DVD on the shelf and thought "Another BS copy? Nope, I'm good". If I were rich, I'd buy it for the special features. But unfortunately, I'm not.

[gorhama]

I know Bob I know. I was looking at how many of the IVL titles are on order at HK Flix and it lit a fire under....well you get it. :S

I spent the afternoon looking at region free players.

I do agree DD's Shaw releases have been good to great. More Shaws the better. I did read in a recent Bey Logan intereview they were preparing "Five Venoms" and "Return to 36th Chamber of Shaolin" I still hope that's correct.

[BLfan]

Anyone know any details about the french version of Fong Sai Yuk. I know it has not english subtitles but is it uncut?

I have only seen it uncut as it was shown here in the UK on Channel 4 years ago.

Looks like it is going to be another title that I will not have in my DVD collection. :mad:

[chen lung]

I have only seen it uncut as it was shown here in the UK on Channel 4 years ago.
I think Channel 4 was very slightly cut in which the camera zooms to the burning body during the opening fight with Vincent Zhao.

[David Rees]

I had the HK dvd's of Fong Sai Yuk 1 + 2 but the sound mix 5.1 was awful with added sound fx so i got rid of them (plus they were not anamorphic).
Lets hope someone releases the uncut versions remastered, mono option, in HK soon.....:S


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[Latrell]

Anyone know any details about the french version of Fong Sai Yuk. I know it has not english subtitles but is it uncut?

French DVD review (in French). There's some screens too.
http://www.filmsactu.com/dvd-la-legende-de-fong-sai-yuk-1799.htm