WHAT THE HELL ?!?!?!?!

[the dirty tiger]

So now Fareastpirate / Mister Bootleg / Panmedia / Red Sun / Jack / Stiller / Scumbag and whatever other names he goes by is booting Showdown At Cottonmill. He has booted the Rarescope disc and even booted the extra features from the Rarescope disc ! The sheer gall of this twit is quite amazing ! The audacity of the thief is quite astounding ! And even worse is he is trying to sell it for more than the SRP of the official Rarescope disc ! WHAT THE HELL ?!?!?!?!?! The fact that Rarescope went to the expense and effort to track down the film at all and then to share it with the rest of us mere mortals demands a lot of respect - show some damn respect man ! >: If this kind of activity keeps up then maybe we wont get to see a lot of the rares they have lined up ! >:

[whitelotus]

Grabs a bag of popcorn..... sits back....and waits....8o

[monk sante]

If this kind of activity keeps up then maybe we wont get to see a lot of the rares they have lined up !

This is so true, what's the deal with these people? :rolleyes

[silver hermit]

toby is the rights holder i hope he does something instead doing nothing.
and i hope cliff and bci do something on this side of the atlantic.
the fact no one is doing anything is giving him more reason to boot.

[bobo]

well--what did you expect? its only a matter of time till we see the redsun english dub versions of killer clans and spiritual boxer.

[the dirty tiger]

I emailed Toby and Cliff within 10 mins of finding out. Fingers crossed someone will put him out of business....

[killer meteor]

Heck, I contacted the MPAA - not expecting much though

[the dirty tiger]

The MPAA dont give a crap, they only care about the 'big 7' companies. Unfortunately, money talks. This thief has been booting some of Dragon Dynasty's titles, as well as other peoples stuff. So there is a slim chance Miramax might do something about him. Maybe everyone he has ripped off can group together and take out a 'class action' against him. Now that would be real class ;) Any lawyers on here ? Want to offer their services for the good of all film kind ? We could have a real landmark case on our hands if some of the indies group together. For what it's worth I have no legal expertise but I am at the disposal of anyone who wants to do something to stop the booters. If I can help somehow then let me know ;)

[killer meteor]

The message I sent to the MPAA contained a link to Red Sun's site selling Fearless, which is a Universal property

[the dirty tiger]

Good, maybe the useless ******** at the MPAA might actually do something useful for once then.

[vengeanceofhumanlanterns]

I called the president of the united states, to complain about this debauchery, but he still hasn't called me back!

Seriously, I understand the potential harm caused by the people doing this, but I'm not so sure it's "soley" responsible for these films (like golden harvest/ocean shores) not being released remastered by some major company like ie. Image.

Very few people seem to care.

[bobo]

you know--i hate to be the one to say this--but come on--not to many people outside of martial arts fans give a you know what about bootlegged kungfu movies. in case you haven,t noticed by now kungfu movies are at the very bottom of any legal list. the only ones that ever got any attention at all were bruce lee--jackie chan and jet li---and even some of those movies have yet to get the releases that they deserve. bootlegged movies are just not seen as a priority by most people. case in fact--a local flea market i was at just this last sunday had dozens of movies that aren,t released yet--some tittles were--GHOST RIDER--300--DEAD SILENCE--HILLS HAVE EYES 2--SHOOTER--a lot of the movies are still in theatres right now and he said they were dvd quality--get this-- any 5 movies for $20. and they were selling like hotcakes.he also said new tittles added every week. unfortunately some of the people i was with bought a bunch--i said i should call the cops but they all strongly insisted that i didn,t as they were not going to pass up the chance to get early copies of movies and yes some of these guys are usually in agreement with me about bootleggers ruining the market for legits--i hate to say it but thats just the way it is. i for one don,t think that anything or anyone is ever going to stop groups like REDSUN-PANMEDIA-if he folded up it would be just a matter of time till someone new took his place--its like a drug dealer- arrest one and someone takes his place. as long as there is demand by the market and the legits don,t or won,t provide what people want at a reasonable price there will always be bootleggers-- lets face it people- i think everybody knows someone somewhere that can get them things on the cheap--under the table--look the other way-- no questions asked sort of things. its all around us--i,m not saying i agree with it all but the bottom line is bootlegged kungfu movies have been around since i can remember and i don,t think thier going away anytime soon.sorry if this rant was a little long but sometimes what happens in life just isn,t fair or just--you just gotta learn to live with it sometimes. by the way just so theres no misunderstanding i don,t think its right for someone to take someone elses work and pass it off as thier own and make money on it. i,m just saying what are you goin to do. REDSUN been takeing other peoples work since the beginning and it seems no one has ever made any real attempt to stop it--who knows if they even can.

[Chia Ling AKA Judy Lee]

I think the main issue is 'over the counter' bootlegging. This isn't some guy selling a few boots out of his car, this is a mainstream issue.

[HANZOSTEEL]

hey whitelotus, can i have some popcorn?

[Linn1]

I agree that this is a major problem. Toby has already announced he's planning on selling off many of the films prints he's collected for his dvd labels because of poor sales. The idea that anyone still supports these releases, when they are nearly always more than the legit releases we get, are poor quality, and cut into the possibility of us seeing more, is just stupidity. Certainly bootlegs have existed since the early years of the genre,but these are a different animal. These are boots that are in the legit market place. Instead of simply being traded by fans and bought by a handful, they are being purchased on a mass scale because no one knows any better. Fans should be making the choice to not support these releases. Instead of enhancing the genre, they are slowly killing it. Why a fan would be in favor of that, boggles my mind.

[silver hermit]

this is a catch 22 because the majors are buying in mass quantity of boots(they don't know better and are victims too) if they don't make back the $ they made i doubt they will stock more titles legit or not.

like what was said before a class action suit is the only way it will end. class action by the retailers and the legal rights holders together. rights holders should sue sites like HK flicks,amazon and e bay and force them into a settlement in to where they join the class action suit and follow the trail to you know who. but if the rights holders do nothing then who will?
for the record i'm not hate'n on anyone i respect dudes business mind but he is causing more damage to the genre than helping it. sure if its a rare with no hope of a legit release go for it man but undercutting movies we know are out or are coming out soon is wrong.(buying them too)
rarescope is the last hope for alot of rares to see the light of day so respect is due.

[Robert Ian Teller]

I don't believe Jack "Stiller" is out of the business. That was probably a front just take a little heat off of him.

[bobo]

what i don,t understand about REDSUN is this--how does he do it?i mean are there not legal channels someone has to go threw to make and sell movies--to sell them in legit stores etc. i mean i couldn,t just go out and buy or rent movies --copy them and then start manufactureing them and sell them under a new label. so how does he do it? you know he doesn,t just sell kungfu movies- theres black exploitation movies as well as some japanese monster movies(godzilla etc). i think its like i said- as long as he sticks to small market movies none of the big wigs really seem to care. the movie segment he does is so small a market i think the big companies just can,t be bothered. i really can,t picture in my mind any of the suits at warner bros or universal-paramont-sony-etc raiseing an eyebrow over what in thier minds is a bunch of poorly made- cheap- poorly dubbed small market junk. they treat spaghetti westerns and european horror movies the same way-the only spaghetti westerns they care about are with clint eastwood- there are plenty of bootleg spaghetti western sites out there. i,m sure if he was selling STAR WARS or LORD OF THE RINGS they would put a stop to it. i wonder if you were to walk into any of those big shots offices if they would even know who ti lung or chang cheh are. (were) anyway i gotta go-tapped csi miami last nite so now to watch it. adios

[morgoth]

They stole Fearless. That is a major movie. Not up there with LOTR or Star Wars, but still a major movie.

[THE BASTARD]

This is true but you have to remember that people boot redsundvd and also use the label. he may boot but
people are booting him as well... it's the truth. If he is ever busted out he wont be held entirely responsible.
the people on eBay especially do not have even his permission. MAYBE they should come up with a new
term because this one even surpasses catch22. that's my opinion.

[morgoth]

I have never heard anyone alse say that Red Sun didn't release that boot of Fearless. Banzai released it and the packaging for Bonzai is identical to Red Sun. Same company as far as I can tell.

[silver hermit]

he may boot but
people are booting him as well... it's the truth.


who are you?

[spannick]

so what if thieves steal from thieves? it's OK if the main culprit gets all the blame - after all, without him there would be no Bootlegs to steal from...

[morgoth]

Tht's all fine, but red Sun stole Fearless. I can at least hope they go down for that.

And of course stealing from thieves is OK.

[HANZOSTEEL]

wait, WHAT THE HELL ?!?!?!?! :rollin

[morgoth]

What in the what what?

[FarEastPirate]

The reason I did showdown at the cottonmill is A) the subs are horrible that cannot be read wich i fixed by adding Yellow removable subs , and B) i waited 6 months till they would make their money so as I wont interfere with their sales. I do not want to hurt guys like Toby Russell he is a nice a guy, i actually spent the day with him when i was in London a few months ago, he even asked if i was interested in buying his reels and lobby cards, it sparked my mind and then i thought the cost of the transfer of the reels and to pay him for the film rights and duplication fees i would need to sell maybe 5,000 pieces Hell I rough time selling 400pc on Independent kung fu classics.

In any case I do not copy and Major motion pictures new or old. So I don't hurt the American Film Industry, The Chinese who's movies I copy are hurting the US films big time they lose Billions of dollars, what do the Americans lose from me 50 grand.

Anyways you will see very soon my ebay will close shop and IM finishing selling off my goods, IM on my way to bigger and better things like Real estate IM going to make a Fourtune$$$$$

Furthermore you will see red sun stuff around after IM gone, their are like 3 guys that I know of that copy my stuff and replicate them.

So to be fair its not over. But for me it is.

[GwaiLoMoFo]

i thought the cost of the transfer of the reels and to pay him for the film rights and duplication fees i would need to sell maybe 5,000 pieces
Yeah, why pay for all that when you can wait for somebody else to pay for it. Then just wait and rip their work off afterwards. :rolleyes

IM on my way to bigger and better things like Real estate IM going to make a Fourtune$$$$$
Should be a great fit for you. Another way to make quick money off something somebody else has built!

[luckystars]

Fareastpirate wrote:

The reason I did showdown at the cottonmill is A) the subs are horrible that cannot be read wich i fixed by adding Yellow removable subs , and B) i waited 6 months till they would make their money so as I wont interfere with their sales. I do not want to hurt guys like Toby Russell he is a nice a guy, i actually spent the day with him when i was in London a few months ago, he even asked if i was interested in buying his reels and lobby cards, it sparked my mind and then i thought the cost of the transfer of the reels and to pay him for the film rights and duplication fees i would need to sell maybe 5,000 pieces Hell I rough time selling 400pc on Independent kung fu classics.

In any case I do not copy and Major motion pictures new or old. So I don't hurt the American Film Industry, The Chinese who's movies I copy are hurting the US films big time they lose Billions of dollars, what do the Americans lose from me 50 grand.

Anyways you will see very soon my ebay will close shop and IM finishing selling off my goods, IM on my way to bigger and better things like Real estate IM going to make a Fourtune$$$$$

Furthermore you will see red sun stuff around after IM gone, their are like 3 guys that I know of that copy my stuff and replicate them.

So to be fair its not over. But for me it is.

Classic.

[killer meteor]

What a bas*ard. Even if he isn't hurting the US film industry, he's hurting individuals like Toby Russel.

[kermit]

i waited 6 months till they would make their money so as I wont interfere with their sales.

I let my next door neighbours enjoy driving their brand new car around for six months....before i nicked it.

[the dirty tiger]

:lol he tries to make it sound like he did Toby a favour. Stealing is never a good thing however you try to justify it. And by the way, I am sure Toby holds rights for a lot longer than 6 months. Probably at least a few years, maybe perpetuity. Celestial hold the rights to them Shaw Brothers films forever, so 6 months is not very long in the scheme of things ;)

[inchilottaP]

What a douche.


I'm sure this is all bullshit and just a ploy to get ppl off his back so he can change his fake company name again.


Nothing can justify your waste of an existence you piece of trash. >:



And even if you are telling the truth you won't last at a REAL job for very long once you realize you actually, ya know ,have to work and stuff.

[FarEastPirate]

And even if you are telling the truth you won't last at a REAL job for very long once you realize you actually, ya know ,have to work and stuff.

I work 16 hours a day doing this and its not easy getting people to pay me, so don't tell me about work, you could not even work half as me and efficient as me.

My Photoshop skills are amazing and with my College credits in Business, I should have no problem getting a Six figure salary Job.

PS. I was already offered many jobs in DVD Distribution in NYC by various companies, because of my gifted abilities to make sales, and Marketing ideas.

[VonHumboldtFleischer]

There's no such thing as "amazing Photoshop skills". It's like being "incredible" at collecting Yu Gi Oh cards or writing "mind-blowing" Who's the Boss? fan fiction.

Also, for the record,"Theft" is not a "marketing idea".

[the dirty tiger]

Here here, I couldnt have said it better myself :D

[Linn1]

or writing "mind-blowing" Who's the Boss? fan fiction.

I will use this at some point. :)

[spannick]

oh so wunderbare Covers, yeah. fantastic.

but it is still no excuse to STEAL
why not release movies NOT out on dvd?

[FarEastPirate]

Also, for the record,"Theft" is not a "marketing idea".

So none of you guys download films off of bit torrents oh please, so theft is no good when you profit from it like me what I do, but when you guys don't pay for it, then its OK to steal?

So what your saying is I should sell them for no profit and then its not considered stealing.

you guys don't care if i sell these movies lets be honest , the only reason im getting slack is not because of theft its becuase youre scared that companies might not release these films becuase it was bootleged, let me tell you something, they will release it somewere around the world maybe even Austraila or Hong Kong who knows , but dont you worry if its avalible it will get released.

My got how many times have they released The Killer with Chow Yun fat several times and people just upgarde.

the same with my stuff, if people like the film they will upgrade so don't worry.

for sure they will because it was mentioned on the board that my discs only last one year and then the content magically disappear, so I guess in one year's time they will have to Buy the it again so it will be the legit version I gather because mine is crap so to speak.

[inchilottaP]

Your so delusional it's not even worth arguing. 8o


Photoshop skills. :lol

[Atomic Mystery Monster]

I have never heard anyone alse say that Red Sun didn't release that boot of Fearless. Banzai released it and the packaging for Bonzai is identical to Red Sun. Same company as far as I can tell.

They are the same.

In any case I do not copy and Major motion pictures new or old. So I don't hurt the American Film Industry, The Chinese who's movies I copy are hurting the US films big time they lose Billions of dollars, what do the Americans lose from me 50 grand.

What color is the sky in the crazy little world you live in? If they lost that much money, there's no way that the Weinsteins and co. would be gobbling up the rights to Chinese movies every year like they currently are. Furthermore, your argument is insane; it's like getting caught stealing a car and trying to justify it by saying the owner loses lots of money on lottery tickets. Even if it's true, you're still stealing.

Let's face it, you avoid bootlegging major American releases because you know you'd get caught and get the crap sued out of you, if not thrown in jail for your long line of copyright violations. Oh, and I'm sure Sony would love to talk to you about your GODZILLA: FINAL WARS bootleg.

why not release movies NOT out on dvd?

But that would involve using sources that he wouldn't be able to easily rip; it might actually take work! Besides, him doing bootlegs of stuff that isn't on DVD (yet) would still be illegal, would hurt chances for a restored legitimate release, and would still take away shelf space in brick and mortar stores that could get devoted to official releases.

Fans really have to stop supporting these douchebags, even if they offer movies that aren't on DVD yet and/or manage to cough up some licensed releases funded by their sales of illegal products in retail stores. If you do support them, you'd might as well slit the throats of various Chinese film companies and legitimate DVD labels and get it over with. I could go on and on about this, but I know this issue has been discussed before and I'd probably be wasting my time by going into any more details.

[FarEastPirate]

Yes, My Photoshop skills are amazing, did you notice I hardly use the original cover because they look like crap, not in the history of martial arts films in the past 30 years has any company held a candle next to me when it comes to cover art.
And that I say with full confidence I can put anybody to shame when it comes to Photoshop hands down.

And that my friends is the key to my success. Cover art sells the item, and their is no going around that.:smokin

[Markgway]

The only thing that's amazing about you FEP is the sheer amount of arse you talk!! :rolleyes

[monk sante]

Yes, My Photoshop skills are amazing, did you notice I hardly use the original cover because they look like crap, not in the history of martial arts films in the past 30 years has any company held a candle next to me when it comes to cover art.

What a looser! :rolleyes

[FarEastPirate]

I challenge anybody

and I will supply the lobby cards in high res.
and we will see who is the loser.:rollin

name your film.

[gfanikf]

Apparently either Toby or BCI didn't appreciate your good intentions

www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/fil...etails.htm (http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.541807/qx/details.htm)

HKFlix.com has been informed by Rarescope that Rarescope owns the exclusive right to distribute this title in North America. HKFlix.com does not distribute this title.

[monk sante]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :) :b

[luckystars]

FarEastPirate wrote:

So none of you guys download films off of bit torrents oh please, so theft is no good when you profit from it like me what I do, but when you guys don't pay for it, then its OK to steal?

So what your saying is I should sell them for no profit and then its not considered stealing.

you guys don't care if i sell these movies lets be honest , the only reason im getting slack is not because of theft its becuase youre scared that companies might not release these films becuase it was bootleged, let me tell you something, they will release it somewere around the world maybe even Austraila or Hong Kong who knows , but dont you worry if its avalible it will get released.

My got how many times have they released The Killer with Chow Yun fat several times and people just upgarde.

the same with my stuff, if people like the film they will upgrade so don't worry.

for sure they will because it was mentioned on the board that my discs only last one year and then the content magically disappear, so I guess in one year's time they will have to Buy the it again so it will be the legit version I gather because mine is crap so to speak.

Another classic.

[kermit]

New Post Re: I challenge anybody
and I will supply the lobby cards in high res.
and we will see who is the loser.:rollin

name your film.

Battle Wizard

I'll photoshop up a cover that is so mighty it'll make you cry like a baby with a nappy full of crap.

[Tosh]

URGENT NOTE: HKFlix.com has been informed by Rarescope that Rarescope owns the exclusive right to distribute this title in North America. HKFlix.com does not distribute this title.

:lol FnA

Btw, Rarescopes cover art of Showdown puts yours to shame.

[the dirty tiger]

but dont you worry if its avalible it will get released.
So tell me mister Thief, when will you release your boots of Massacre Survivor, Sea God And Ghosts and other rares that only Rarescope have ? The fact is they are doing sterling work tracking down films that arent released at all, or only in horrible boots. And if they dont make money cause of thieves like you then what is the point in them going to all the effort ?! Stop trying to justify it, stealing is stealing. And some of us dont bother with internet downloads cause we prefer to buy films and have extras and good quality and to support those such as Rarescope in the hope they will go on surprising and delighting us with what they will turn up next !

And by the way, in most cases I feel the original poster art is way favourable to any cover made up from a couple of photos, so Joy Sales get my vote for best covers, shame they use smaller versions of the posters but still great to see them there anyway.

[FarEastPirate]

IM not interested in the rarescope label.

I cannot sell those titles to my urban market, My Customers only want that title because its a sort of Quasi Sequel to The 5 shaolin masters.

I too like Original Poster art myself, but my customers need to be spoonfed with plastered Action,

what would be cool , if i was to have a reverse cover.
with My art on one side and a Poster art inside

[Lei Kung]

FEP, to your credit, that's some nice boxart for Cottonmill. have you ever thought of or tried getting a legit job doing that sort of thing.

[Linn1]

have you ever thought of or tried getting a legit job doing that sort of thing.

He had one. He did the Pathfinder DVD for Knight Errant. "To his credit," he then bootlegged the titles in the Jimmy Wang Yu series they were planning on putting out. They canceled their plans for future releases soon after.

[FarEastPirate]

I like the rarescope art it is Cool, but a little bit redundant

I tell you what give me a title that has not been done yet, and lets see what i can do with it.

here are some titles lets make Believe they are Rarescope

pick one

Angry River
Snake Deadly Act
Bone Crushing KId
Green Jade Statuate
Furious Monk From Shaolin
Invincible Eight
The Roaming Monk
House of Traps ( that would be cool to do):b
Eight Diagram Cudgel (Released just now by a US DIST, to bad they did not have the original cards to play with):\

Notice that I picked movies that are realy not in circulation, or cover art is Horrendous.

This will be fun.

and guys lighten up, Don't hate the player hate the game.

[luckystars]

He had one. He did the Pathfinder DVD for Knight Errant. "To his credit," he then bootlegged the titles in the Jimmy Wang Yu series they were planning on putting out. They canceled their plans for future releases soon after.

That is just shocking...

And more relevant to this thread than the 'let's play at Photoshop' diversionary ploy.

[FarEastPirate]

you mean the fullscreen DVD of savage killers, yeah right
i spoke with Greg, please he did not want to release it becuase of the poor sales of Knight Errant, It so just happens that even after i released the DVD of the Fullscreen Ocean shores Savage Killers we were in negotiations to make a Film in Japan together starring Tak Saga.... whatever from Versus and Death Trance
and things fell apart and we happen to still be friends, so try youre best at lying, will you.

and the Photoshop was not a ploy, please everyweek there is another thread about pan media bootlegs, in this just one instance i felt that since one dude said i dont work hard, I challanged him on his words, whatever i dont have to explain myself.

[FarEastPirate]

just wait till Tabunfire pops up all over with subs and how many of you hypocrites will give me business and buy it, or get it off the bit torrents, becuase bit torrents are not theft. I have learned that at the fandom:rolleyes

and Linn1 i might be alot of things, but one I do not lie or steal from friends. and im a standup person, im just a guy who is a Bootlegger big deal.

[spannick]

may this be done in proper English (Punctuation, Grammar and all) and not Gangsta Slang so everyone can get the sense out of these words?

[morgoth]

So why did you feel the need to steal all of the Animego DVDs?

[Linn1]

it had nothing to do with Savage Killers, and everything to do with the other Japanese released Wang Yu films you put up on ebay as Knight Errant was coming out. And you don't steal from your friends? Are you serious?!? You just got through telling us how you hung around with Toby in the UK, then turned around and ripped him off. To say nothing of the work of other legit companies, Flashlegs, and the dozens of fans who's work you've taken over the years.

[WHITETIGERNY]

(This message was left blank)

[morgoth]

I agree with the message left blank White Tiger. Let's see what other ridiculous things the pirate will say.

[Chen Zhen]

i think its jokes personally how FEP is trying to divert everyone's attention away from the issue at hand, into a discussion about photoshopping covers..|I

ive lost track of all of homie's contradictions and flat out confusing logic.

[silver hermit]

i find it funny how he insults his customers all the time at least we agree there :rolleyes

[the dirty tiger]

Agree with every word Linn said here, as usual he is very much the voice of reason.

Notice that I picked movies that are realy not in circulation, or cover art is Horrendous
In actual fact they are all in general circulation except for house of traps. So stop talking crap !

[whitelotus]

Hanzo, heres the popcorn, please pass me a brew, what time is the next show.:rollin

WL

[dndcollect]

he might have been telling the truth, he is off ebay from what i have seen.

redsundvd.com is still up, does he run that site as well?

[Couch Foo]

I only have one question.

Since everyone knows who FarEastPirate is, and what he does, and how his presence only causes trouble and a general bad mood, why hasn't he been banned from KFF yet ?

[killer meteor]

Good question, I was just thinking the same

[silver hermit]

if they start doing that they will be banning alot of old grumpy men on here too at least thats the logic i have been given

[Linn1]

advertising for his releases was "banned," but not the man himself. Just look at the results of this thread. Why ban a person who does such a great job burying himself? It makes no sense.

[FarEastPirate]

as you see I quit ebay, and working on my real estate venture.

I bid you all farewell. bye

[morgoth]

:rolleyes

[inchilottaP]

He'll be back when he realizes he can't just steal someone else's land and slap his own logo on it and call it his like his dvds. :lol

[Chia Ling AKA Judy Lee]

Have you never heard of squatters rights? |I

;)

[luckystars]

HAHA! Last post as FEP. I expect a name change for him and his DVD's.

[silver hermit]

lol far east squatter

[morgoth]

I don't see how he could say he is done just because he is not selling on Ebay. What about the hundred other places that sell non working Red Sun DVDs?

[killer meteor]

Morgoth, you do know this problem goes far beyond the fact the discs not working?