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sixamsedna
07-30-2009, 06:31 AM
Hi all, new here.

Massive appreciation of kung fu cinema. Absolutely love these films. I'm a fan of the stylized camerawork (which so inspired Tarantino as well) of these films and just overall love the genre.

However, if there is a sub-genre I hold much love to, then it would definitely be the films that are like Master of the Flying Guillotine.

Looks just like a regular kung-fu film yea? NOPE. Not to me, there is something that separates that film from the rest of them. Again, I have not seen hundreds of kung fu films so I may well be just talking out of my ass. But from what I HAVE seen. This film grabbed me the most.

Not to ramble, I'll tell you what it is that really draws me to these films.

First of all...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/Flyingguillotine.jpg

Definitely that. I love the kind of "unconventional" in the kung fu films. Or the mysterious and the surreal. Like the blind guillotine master. I love characters that are not cardboard, but there's some SPICE to them, whether they're blind, they way they are dressed that sets them apart from everyone else, or be it some kind of trademark in the fighting style - basically something FRESH. Let's face it, there are hundreds of martial arts films, and if I'm wrong - feel free to correct me and call me a dumbass - but most of them just have simple guys fighting off some mob or something.

But what about originality?

I recently have watched. Sammo Hung's "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and while it has him basically fighting a bunch of other guys, I loved, LOVED the whole scene in the cabin with the ghost. The way it was shot, with a blue filter, the way the "witch" guy would go into his trance, and it would cut between him and the scene in the cabin.

THAT is what made the film so much more enjoyable to me.

What else? MYSTERY. This awesome scene was probably one of the most interesting parts of the entire film to me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX6EHqcvqyo

The way it's shot, the sound effects, the masks. That mystery.

I could go on and on about what I love about kung fu films, but in a nutshell what I have described is what I'm looking for. I hope there are films that "satisfy the criteria" so to say, at least one of them, and that would make me happy.

I'm looking for martial art films that are stylized, gritty, mysterious, ORIGINAL, surreal. Not just guys beating up other guys because the bad guy came in and killed his family.

Yes, that's fine if you want to kill time and watch something fun - I don't even mind it all that much, but if that formula had even something MORE to it. That'd be great.

If anyone needs more elaboration please let me know. I hope some of you guys can recommend something for me that's refreshing as I have not seen the entire collections of SB, or other studios' films.

Thanks.

AbeRudder
07-30-2009, 09:26 AM
Its nothing like Master of the Flying Guillotine but if you are into the moody visuals in Spooky Encounters i highly recommend a movie called Bury Me High which was directed by Tsui Siu Ming. Here is one of the fight scenes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saI_aAoBcuE, the plot is more interesting to me than most kf movies, it revolves around Geomancy and Feng Shui.

KyFi
07-30-2009, 12:51 PM
I would think that "The Five Venoms", also known as "Five Deadly Venoms" would be right up your alley. Given that it's a pretty well-known classic, you may have already seen it, but it seems like it would match the vibe you're looking for. I think it's going to be released by Dragon Dynasty on R1 shortly.

tdb
07-30-2009, 01:22 PM
Well for starters there's the three Flying Guillotine movies produced by Shaw:

The Flying Guillotine (1975)
The Vengeful Beauty (1978)
The Flying Guillotine 2 (1978)

and then how about:

Intimate Confessions of a Chinese Courtesan (1972)
Swordsman and Enchantress (1978)
The Black Lizard (1981)
The Bloody Parrot (1981)
Miracle Fighters (1982)
Mr Vampire (1985)
New Dragon Inn (1992)
Green Snake (1993)
Heroic Trio (1993)
Deadend of Besiegers (1993)

Tosh
07-30-2009, 03:56 PM
Well I agree it's a good movie but far from original, I will give Wang Yu credit for creating a wide range of colorful characters, Muay Thai fighters, Mongolian wrestlers, Samurai. I probably prefer the orginal Shaw Flying Guillotine for it's dramatic impact but MotFG is one highly entertaining, fun movie.

Check out The Fatal Flying Guillotines with Carter Wong, Secret of the Shoalin Poles and Magic Blade then maybe dwelve into some of the more fantasy stuff like Boxer's Omen and Battle Wizard, two of the more bizarre movies you'll find .

tdb
07-30-2009, 04:49 PM
How 'bout some Japanese titles (just to mix things up a bit)

Shinobi: Heart Under Blade (2005)
Zipang (1990)
Azumi (2003)
Moon Over Tao (1997)

sixamsedna
07-30-2009, 05:31 PM
Thanks everyone so much!

I have indeed seen Five Deadly Venoms.

As for Japanese cinema. I absolutely love it as well. I was especially intrigued by "Kwaidan" not quite a martial art film, but the trademark darkness, production design, stylized camerawork was ALL right up my alley.

Another Japanese series, that pretty much define what I was talking about right up above, and have seen - are the Lone Wolf & Cub. those are exactly the kind of films I dig. They're just different. Lone Wolf is by far one of the coolest motherfuckers invented by the Japanese martial art scene. But that's just me.

I'll get right on looking for the above recommendations.

Keep them coming though, I don't mind.

And indeed, Wang Yu really gets massive props for bringing in the colorful characters in MotFG. One of the reasons why I dug the film so much. It kind of even reminded me of the old Sinbad films of the 60's and 70's, that gritty production value, and the colorful characters.

peringaten
07-30-2009, 06:06 PM
Forgetting looking for a companion piece to Master Of the Flying G... From what I can tell from your posts you're looking for inspired originality & artistry from your martial films - you NEED to check out director Sun Chung's work. No one else used a camera or filmmaking techniques like him. He was unique. Start with his beautifully demented horror-kung 'Human Lanterns', then go on from there to the likes of Avenging Eagle, Rendezvous With Death, etc., etc. From a technical filmmaking perspective no one in the genre matched him. He had soul, genius & artistry. And his flms kick some major ass. Sometimes people waffle bullshit like he's the 'Kubrick of martial cinema'... no, he was his own beast, but I can see why one might make such an assumption.

TibetanWhiteCrane
07-30-2009, 06:06 PM
Well, the most obvious recommendation would be One Armed Boxer!

Alex
07-30-2009, 07:51 PM
aside from some good ones already named I think you might also like Chang Cheh's Vengeance (aka Kung Fu Vengeance) and The Delinquent (aka Street Gangs of Hong Kong), and King Hu's Come Drink With Me. All 3 are full of off kilter elements you're looking for

tdb
07-30-2009, 09:08 PM
aside from some good ones already named I think you might also like Chang Cheh's Vengeance (aka Kung Fu Vengeance) and The Delinquent (aka Street Gangs of Hong Kong), and King Hu's Come Drink With Me. All 3 are full of off kilter elements you're looking for

If you're going to bring up King Hu you might as well mention Dragon Inn (1967) and A Touch of Zen (1969) which are also, somewhat in the same vein.

Blood Sword
07-30-2009, 09:18 PM
How about Avenging Eagle?Honest killer gets retribution in the end,clan boss even as cruel sob is actually man who cares about his descendants and one persons get his revenge.there is few esoteric weapons also:)

sixamsedna
07-31-2009, 06:16 AM
Oh yes, almost forgot.

Five Element Ninjas, is right up my alley. I LOVED that one, the concept. It's like Five Deadly Venoms in the opening scene how everyone has different fighting style - this is pretty much same - only with Ninjas. Awesome, awesome stuff.

AbeRudder
07-31-2009, 10:07 AM
How about Avenging Eagle?Honest killer gets retribution in the end,clan boss even as cruel sob is actually man who cares about his descendants and one persons get his revenge.there is few esoteric weapons also:)

Yeah i highly recommend watching Avenging Eagle, its one of the best martial arts movies ive ever seen.

Alex
07-31-2009, 10:05 PM
If you're going to bring up King Hu you might as well mention Dragon Inn (1967) and A Touch of Zen (1969) which are also, somewhat in the same vein.

not quite. CDWM has a kind of reflexive self awareness about it, as if Hu is consciously making something 'quirky'. the other two are great in their own right (Touch of Zen especially), but to me they don't have that same tongue in cheek quality. at least not to the same extent.

HyperDrive
08-01-2009, 03:58 AM
Taoism Drunkard
Shaolin Drunkard
Dance of the Drunken Mantis
Demon of the Lute
Inheritor of Kung Fu
Boxer's Omen
Shaolin Invincibles
The Dragon Lives Again