Merantau (2009)

[wizard12220]

Merantau is a new Indonesian Pencak Silat movie directed by a British director.
It was officially selected as closing film of PiFan 2009 (Puchon International Fantastic Film Festival).

Watch the trailer at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtkLFm3QrmA

[wizard12220]

Haven't seen it myself, but I have heard some good reviews from the people who saw it already. It's currently playing at some Indonesia's movie theatres.

You can read the review from:
http://twitchfilm.net/site/view/pifan-09-review-merantau/

[Yi-Long]

The last link mentions that when it comes over to the west, it will be a cut version. They'll try to include the original cut on the disc as well, but let's hope they mean it's on a seperate 2nd disc, and not 2 versions on 1 disc.

I still dont understand why 'we' (the west) need an 'international' version for these movies, cause it pretty much always makes the movies worse, not better, but we've had that discussion for many MANY years now (Hell, even Seven Samurai was released in the west CUT(!) )

[wuxiawuxia]

Merantau's review on the domestic (Indonesian) newspaper website

http://thejakartaglobe.com/artsandentertainment/merantau-kick-starts-martial-arts-genre/323196

[wuxiawuxia]

Interview with the actors

Interesting stuff

http://twitchfilm.net/site/view/gareth-evans-and-iko-uwais-talk-merantau/

[wizard12220]

Thanks to wuxiawuxia for the links.
It is true that it's been a very long hiatus for the Indonesian martial arts movies.

[ToothbrushFu]

There were a lot on interesting making-of videos put up on the official site ( http://www.merantau-movie.com/ ) while this was in production. Its worth having a look at those if you want to see what kind of action they were going for. No doubt they'll all turn up on the DVD release.

BTW the director used to post occasionally on the now-defunct KFCC forums.

[wizard12220]

ToothbrushFu, what name did he used at the old KFCC? I'm used to visit the old forum frequently.

[ToothbrushFu]

It was based on his real name, i.e. GEvans or GarethEvans or something like that.

[Fightingfist]

Interresting

[make believe]

It looks like it has promise.

[VenomsFan]

smells like thailand's ong bak, looks like hong kong!

looks good for it all!

[jiujitsu77]

THIS IS SILAT MUTHAF@(%AS!

man am i stoked for this!!

man do i miss those damn monkeys

[blue_skies]

Very promising, anyone know the DVD release date yet...with ENG subs?

you know we need a thread with a list of recently or just about to be released films on DVD! maybe with youtube vids links included? I see loads of promising trailers on this site, then forget their names by the time a DVD eventually happens. what do you guys think?

[KUNG FU BOB]

Very promising, anyone know the DVD release date yet...with ENG subs?

you know we need a thread with a list of recently or just about to be released films on DVD! maybe with youtube vids links included? I see loads of promising trailers on this site, then forget their names by the time a DVD eventually happens. what do you guys think?

Great idea! Maybe just call it "Upcoming Flicks" and we can just have release dates, trailers, ect.

[wizard12220]

Still playing at the Indonesian theaters for the second week. Some theaters are even playing it with English subtitle.

The movie is having a good word of mouth, so hopefully it can draw good box office.

[wizard12220]

Usually the local produced DVD & VCD will release after a few month.

[blue_skies]

any news of a eng sub dvd?

[Mike Leeder]

i think E1 Entertainment has picked it up for UK so should be before too long

[blue_skies]

I hope you're right Mike but having checked their website there's no news of it.

[VenomsFan]

My Video Review with Exclusive footage is now up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ0okk7FeQY

[blue_skies]

My Video Review with Exclusive footage is now up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ0okk7FeQY

Fucking youtube won't let me embedd can you post it here somehow I can't see vids on the youtube site.:mad:

[fiol]

i'm looking forward to watch this movie!
from the trailer it looks great!

[shapes]

watched it last night, not bad film real simple plot and well paced, the Silat is quite good ,few dodgy bits but it more good than bad 7/10

[VenomsFan]

you wouldn't put it up there with Ong Bak 1?

[blue_skies]

I was just reading on twitch that a distributor called Magnet have the North American rights for this film.

[WuxiaFan]

watched it last night, not bad film real simple plot and well paced, the Silat is quite good ,few dodgy bits but it more good than bad 7/10

I want to check this one out. Trailer looked good. Thanks shapes! :smile:

[D1 Ma]

Apparently, the DVD is out. EThaiCD doesn't carry it, some Indonesian site had a version without English subs, so I ended up downloading a subbed version
In short, - if we didn't have Tony Jaa, it would be an impressive film. But since we do, Merantau looks just like yet another MA flick. I thought, Silat doesn't look so spectacular (read: flashy) on film overall. The guy who plays the hero, while a talented practitioner, lacks unique skills of Tony and doesn't have a strong presence. Where Jaa channels raw, merciless fury, main character here still looks like a nice guy, just pissed off.
Another thing. Jaa demonstrates a very fine, precise, fluid and flawless technique, while Iko Uwais looks just like another action star ( Choopong or Mike B). I think all these guys are somewhat sloppy and far from perfect.
The movie starts way too slow. In the first hour we have 3 action bits which last a few seconds each. There are a couple of wire assisted stunts(falls) that completely ruined the moment for me. I'd rather had them cut. I thought that fights lacked that pure insanity, desperation and fury. I don't know.
All the actors are very young, almost kids, and very often I just couldn't take them seriously
The good part. I can't find a single thing to complain about the way the fights were shot. Just great. Very, I mean, VERY long takes looked unbelievable at this day and age.
The elevator fight was the best, IMO. For the most time Uwais just beats the unskilled henchmen, but the elevator fight had him against a comparable fighter and the result was very satisfying. The final showdown was very good with some painfully looking falls. Overall, while not totally jaw dropping, the action was solid, well shot and edited. I repeat, if I didnt see Jaa's movies, I would rate it much higher, but I'm afraid, Jaa set a VERY high standart.
Another thing I didn't really liked - after the final fight the movie drags on for another almost 20 minutes and I had to force myself to sit through, knowing than there's no more action left...
Better than anything Chupong or Mike B ever did. To my tastes, better than most of recent Jet's and Donnie's work action-wise. I would put it right after Jaa's work and Jeeja's Chocolate .
amazon.uk will have it in April

[blue_skies]

To my tastes, better than most of recent Jet's and Donnie's work action-wise. I would put it right after Jaa's work and Jeeja's Chocolate .
amazon.uk will have it in April

being worse than jaa's no bad thing, after all he raised the bar so frelling high, I look forward to this.:bigsmile:

only £7.49 on Amazon UK!:bigsmile:

[fiol]

happy to hear that it gets a release in the UK... i will buy it for sure ^^

[AbeRudder]

I saw this the other day with subs and i enjoyed the heck out of it. The storyline is well done though they didnt really elaborate on the basic setup that well, the movie sort of just turns into back to back fight scenes about halfway through. The fights are really well done, there isn't much brutality like a Jaa or sammo movie apart from a few nasty falls here and there but i really liked the choreography, its kind of hard to describe but the trailer gives you a good example of what the fighting is like.

[BLfan]

Good to see it being release in the UK and also available on Blu ray. :smile:

[blue_skies]

Amazon UK has it called Merantau Warrior. Not sure why the name changed?

[mrnicejai]

Saw this and thought the action was extreamly generic. I hardly saw any silat at all.

[blue_skies]

Saw this and thought the action was extreamly generic. I hardly saw any silat at all.

please don't take any offence but I would appreciate to know more about your dislikes and likes. Plus further opinions about why you felt this about the film. I'm just curious given your 2 brief posts so far

[BaronK]

He's right(imo). The action is extremely generic. He comes off rather Jack like but there's nothing in the action that goes, boom. Most of the strikes are the same in every fight against every opponent even the same opponent. The fight in the elevator is the best and the one that most shows silat.
Don't expect Jaa type action or performance. Don't expect to see a movie full of silat on display.

[mrnicejai]

please don't take any offence but I would appreciate to know more about your dislikes and likes. Plus further opinions about why you felt this about the film. I'm just curious given your 2 brief posts so far

I wasn't aware that you had to have a ton posts to state an opinion on a film. Everyone's new on some board at some point and not every newb writes an essay for their first post. When I said the action was generic that means it's nothing new or groundbreaking. The techniques showcased are like something you can find in a power rangers episode or something. It's not like it showcased much stylistic silat techniques in the movie. Let's put it this way this dude in this movie doesn't do for Silat what Tony Jaa did for Muay Thai. Basically this is your basic B movie that goes straight to video.

[blue_skies]

I wasn't aware that you had to have a ton posts to state an opinion on a film. Everyone's new on some board at some point and not every newb writes an essay for their first post. When I said the action was generic that means it's nothing new or groundbreaking. The techniques showcased are like something you can find in a power rangers episode or something. It's not like it showcased much stylistic silat techniques in the movie. Let's put it this way this dude in this movie doesn't do for Silat what Tony Jaa did for Muay Thai. Basically this is your basic B movie that goes straight to video.

Of course you don't have to have a ton of posts or write an essay. I just didn't know what to take from what you had said. Was it good and entertaining regardless of whether there was nothing ground-breaking used? I couldn't tell that is all.

Anyway welcome to the forum!:bigsmile:

[gorhama]

I wasn't aware that you had to have a ton posts to state an opinion on a film. Everyone's new on some board at some point and not every newb writes an essay for their first post. When I said the action was generic that means it's nothing new or groundbreaking. The techniques showcased are like something you can find in a power rangers episode or something. It's not like it showcased much stylistic silat techniques in the movie. Let's put it this way this dude in this movie doesn't do for Silat what Tony Jaa did for Muay Thai. Basically this is your basic B movie that goes straight to video.


Thanks for the more detailed info......and welcome to the boards!!

I was hoping this movie did for Silat what Jaa did for Muay Thai. Maybe if they make another movie it will be focused on Silat. I mean the fight scenes won't be very long but they will be brutal.

[mrnicejai]

Silat actually would be a very good and stylistic art for the screen with it's many low stances smooth locking techniques. What's needed in this movie is less quantity of fights and more time for the choreographers of this movie to give more quality fight scenes using Silat methods. If anything Silat can potentially make for more interesting action than Muay Thai which is mostly kickboxing with some elbows and knee's. I'm wondering if that's one reason why Tony Jaa decided to use lots of Kung Fu in Ong Bak 2? Anyway what's needed for this film is better thought out choreography and a more sophisticated use of camera angles to accentuate the style.. maybe one day.. but right now I don't think indonesian film fighting choreographers are mature enough for the big time world audience yet. If they really want to promote Silat they should maybe hire a choreographer from HK to help with their next effort showcase Silat.

I still remember this scene from Operation Scorpio.. I wonder if this is Silat or Kun Tao? heheh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxZzZ0sod-w

[The Running Man]

Does anyone know if the Director's Cut is available at all?

The international cut is 107 minutes while the Director's Cut is around 134 minutes or so.

[kingofkungfu2002]

Looks like the UK dvd has been pushed back to June :sad:

http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/13571972/Merantau-Warrior/Product.html

[David Rees]

Got a preview copy of the UK dvd.
First the film...Its ok, the story is basic, boy goes off to big city, meets girl, girl gets kidnapped by crooks etc...the fights are good, it does show some Silat, a lot of elbows etc also the fights towards the end have a lot of painful falls from the stuntmen.
The lead actor doesnt really have any on-screen charisma and the details of the charactors involved are vague so you dont care much for what happens to them.
Is it worth a watch?...Certainly, a bit over hyped but a decent film for the low budget involved.
The dvd copy i got sent was ok...anamorphic, fine if soft picture...no extra's on my review copy.



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[blue_skies]

Looks like the UK dvd has been pushed back to June :sad:

http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/13571972/Merantau-Warrior/Product.html

amazon uk has apr.... still I'd be pissed off if it's pushed back.:tinysmile_angry2_t:

[kingofkungfu2002]

HMV has it listed for June now too.

[blue_skies]

HMV has it listed for June now too.

awwwww crap!:tinysmile_angry2_t:

[wizard12220]

Does anyone know if the Director's Cut is available at all?

The international cut is 107 minutes while the Director's Cut is around 134 minutes or so.

The Director's cut is available in Indonesia, but unfortunately without English sub.
I saw both version, but I think I prefer the Director's cut.

The international version was screening at the Jakarta Film Festival, and Iko Uwais & the guy who he fought in the elevator were showing the fight again after the screening.

[wizard12220]

About mrnicejai saying that "Silat actually would be a very good and stylistic art for the screen with it's many low stances smooth locking techniques. What's needed in this movie is less quantity of fights and more time for the choreographers of this movie to give more quality fight scenes using Silat methods",

I remembered watching the fight choreographer (in the Indonesian DVD extras) saying that sometimes certain choreography was changing, because the director (Gareth Evans) prefer more practically move. And the fight choreographer is a real Pencak Silat GURU.

[bengs]

I got a subtitled version off the Internet and I enjoyed it, so I'll be looking out for the DVD release

[mrnicejai]

About mrnicejai saying that "Silat actually would be a very good and stylistic art for the screen with it's many low stances smooth locking techniques. What's needed in this movie is less quantity of fights and more time for the choreographers of this movie to give more quality fight scenes using Silat methods",

I remembered watching the fight choreographer (in the Indonesian DVD extras) saying that sometimes certain choreography was changing, because the director (Gareth Evans) prefer more practically move. And the fight choreographer is a real Pencak Silat GURU.

If true then Mr. Evans just neutered the movie by getting rid of what's special about INDONESIAN martial arts vs. your standard kick and punch kickboxing styles that you can see everywhere else. That's akin to advertising a new HK movie called Drunken Master 4 and having the choreography consisting of a dude doing Taekwondo with a drunk look on the face.

[wizard12220]

The basic move is still the Pencak Silat.
But usually not every move looks good on screen, that's why they need a fight choreographer to make it good on screen.

[The Running Man]

wizard12220,
Thanks for the info on the Director's Cut.

I hope Magnolia will put out both versions of the film as they have done in the past. I enjoyed Marantau quite a bit and am interested in seeing the Director's Cut.

[TheGrimReaper]

I saw the movie 2 days ago and I was impressed. It does have a resemblance to Tony Jaa's Ong Bak, however the tone in Merantau was a bit on dramatic side and the fights were conveniently fit in the story to ephasise the personal involvment of the main character.

I think it's nicely done with some patricular vision, well borowed from couple of flicks too, but which film recently has a completely original story and setting (martial arts movies speaking) :)

I like this Indonesian display of style and hard-hitting stunts (I almost felt sorry for the poor guys falling from the container) and I will buy it definitely for my collection :)

Simple and entertaining - for me it was a pleasure watching it.

[AlbertV]

I watched half of the film so far and I like what I see. Uko Iwais has a resemblance to Tony Jaa at certain angles and I do like the bar fight, where he seems to combine Silat with what looks like Rittikrai-style action and taekwondo. I know there have been complaints about the whole Silat true form thing, but don't forget, we're watching a movie here so sometimes, they have to make the choreography look like a "dance" to make the film work as a whole. Can't wait to see the rest of it today before giving my official thoughts overall.

[BLfan]

Anyone know if the Blu ray version of this movie is being release in the UK as the DVD is the only one that is advertised with a release date (even though it is delayed until June 7th)

[VenomsFan]

Got a preview copy of the UK dvd.
First the film...Its ok, the story is basic, boy goes off to big city, meets girl, girl gets kidnapped by crooks etc...the fights are good, it does show some Silat, a lot of elbows etc also the fights towards the end have a lot of painful falls from the stuntmen.
The lead actor doesnt really have any on-screen charisma and the details of the charactors involved are vague so you dont care much for what happens to them.
Is it worth a watch?...Certainly, a bit over hyped but a decent film for the low budget involved.
The dvd copy i got sent was ok...anamorphic, fine if soft picture...no extra's on my review copy.



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Is the scene with the street fights in the underground garage in this cut? There was extensive behind the scenes about the technicalities of this shoot. Specifically the revolving tracking shot one take. Did they ever complete this scene?

Check out my video movie review of Merantau here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ0okk7FeQY)

Thanks in advance,
VenomsFan

[wizard12220]

Is the scene with the street fights in the underground garage in this cut? There was extensive behind the scenes about the technicalities of this shoot. Specifically the revolving tracking shot one take. Did they ever complete this scene?

Check out my video movie review of Merantau here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ0okk7FeQY)

Thanks in advance,
VenomsFan
The street fights in the underground garage is only appeared at the Director's cut (longer version).

[cultlabs]

Here's the UK pack shot and press details for the upcoming release (June 7th)...

As a Cardiff resident, I'm delighted that the director is from Wales and studied film in my adopted home town.


MERANTAU WARRIOR

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm144/samueljones1/MARANTEU-3d.jpg

“BLOODY, BRUTAL, BRILLIANT.” – COMBAT MAGAZINE

Asia’s newest martial arts action star, Iko Uwais, blasts on to the screen in Merantau Warrior, a rousing action-thriller that introduces Western audiences to the rarely-seen on screen Indonesian martial art of Silat, an incredible combination of strikes, joint manipulation, bladed weapons, throws and animal-derived fighting techniques that take hand-to-hand combat into a whole new realm.

Echoing the visceral thrills of recent martial arts hits such as ‘Ong Bak’ and ‘Chocolate’, Merantau Warrior unleashes a fresh new wave of Asian filmmaking that has been hailed by Harry Knowles at AintItCoolNews.com as “non-stop AWESOME’ and by John Mosby of Impact Magazine as “jaw-droppingly good… on a par with Bourne.”

Written and directed by Welsh-born Gareth Evans (Footsteps), Merantau Warrior stars Iko Uwais as Yuda, a young farmer and skilled Silat practitioner from Minangkabau in West Sumatera. Following a centuries old tradition, Yuda is about to embark on his ‘merantau’, a rite of passage that requires him to leave his home and family to make a name for himself in the wider world. He heads for the bustling city of Jakarta, where he immediately finds himself homeless, jobless and alone. A chance run-in with a juvenile street thief, Adit, leads Yuda to an encounter in which he is compelled to defend Adit’s elder sister, Astri, from a violent situation involving her abusive employer, Johni, and his henchmen.

Unknown to Yuda, Johni is a major supplier of local girls to a human trafficking ring led by a volatile psychopath, Ratger, and his right-hand man, Luc, and he needs Astri to make up the numbers in his latest delivery. Johni kidnaps the girl and, once again, Yuda comes to her aid, this time rescuing her from the traffickers’ clutches in a striking one-man assault on their headquarters. Injured in the confrontation, Ratger determines to seek bloody retribution and to recover his ‘merchandise’ in the process. Yuda, Astri and Adit are forced to go on the run in the unforgiving city with a swarm of pimps and gangsters dogging their every step. With escape seemingly beyond their grasp, Yuda realises he has no choice but to face their foes head-on in a no-holds-barred showdown.

Building to an adrenaline-charged, jaw-dropping finale, “Merantau’s mix of muscle, melancholy and mighty martial arts impresses” (Impact Magazine) and will no doubt leave audiences desperate to see just what director Evans and star Uwais will come up with next.

Merantau Warrior (cert. 18) will be released on DVD (£12.99) by E1 Entertainment on 7th June 2010. Special Features include: Making of Feature; Behind the Scenes; Deleted Scenes; Theatrical Trailer; UK Promo; Easter Eggs.

TRAILER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJo3zMjnVw0)

[blue_skies]

I notice the extras say Easter eggs. I thought DVD extras were passed that novelty? Personally I'd rather have all the extras easily accessible instead of having to mess around trying to locate the ruddy things... And usually they aren't even worth the effort of finding.

Out of curiosity are all of the online extras included on the DVD?

[daisho2004]

OK I just finished watching this movie, and I thought it was very good. It did start off slow and the action really doesn't kick in until about 40minutes into the movie. But when the action starts it was pretty much non-stop. The Actor kinda resembles Tony Jaa, the Silat was good, as everyone said and I have to agree that the elevator fight scene was the best. There was some scenes that looked like it was taken from Ong-Bak. And Tony Jaa has made it hard to beat his fighting and his brutal-ness on screen. IKO UWAIS was a fresh face and I'm looking forward to seeing his next movie. And MERANTAU doesn't mean Warrior so I don't know why they called it that for.

[blue_skies]

And MERANTAU doesn't mean Warrior so I don't know why they called it that for.

Isn't merantau the name of the journey he goes on kind of like a coming-of-age thing? Mind you that's just an assumption on my part.

[daisho2004]

blue_skies: That is exactly what it means, its the same as in Australia when they go on a walk-about. That is why when they changed the name it didn't make any sense to me.

[blue_skies]

Since when does it ever make sense to change the name for Western releases?

[cultlabs]

It makes sense if you want to get your DVD in Tesco!

Basically, if you're a member of this forum, you probably know your martial arts films at the very least and many members will also involved in some kind of martial arts activity themselves. You are the converted and don't need any pointers to find your favourite movies. You know your stuff and have an informed opinion on action cinema.

However, most people are casual buyers and a great many mainstream punters are iffy about subtitles and world cinema in general. Adding the word warrior basically smoothes these worries over and makes it easier to get titles into the mainstream retailers

A few very powerful companies have the lions share of the UK market and DVD distributors sometimes have to make a minor compromise in order to get the title on shelves. The only way to keep these DVDs coming in an increasingly squeezed market is to appeal outside the niche market. Merantau is a great cross over movie. It's accessable and shockingly violent, two very easy selling points. so that's why it's had the name change, in order to increase it's appeal

I'm guessing the Warrior is a reference to Warrior King. Outside of Kung Fu Cinema circles, most people won't be well versed with the genre, but they'll know Tony Jaa unless they've been living under a rock. His films and style are nominally similar to Merantau (to the untrained eye) so what better way of associating the movie with something familiar.

It's classic exploitation movie marketing in a way. The Italian horror film makers of the 70s and 80s constantly swapped their titles about, with many movies being retitled in the States in order to ride the coat tails of a successful hit. This is a less outrageous example.

[Tantheman]

Hi blueskies, do you know where I can buy or download broken path?

It sounds amazing. I really liked Merantau, some of the camerawork like the 360 degrees shots were great, and the guy has talent. I don't think people should be too eager to call him a Tony Jaa clone, the fighting style and choreography is very different I think. Like there are quite intricate exchanges which you don't get so much with Tony Jaa. The bloody westerners were shite though!

[cultlabs]

I've seen poorer acting from Westerners in Eastern movies. Japanese zombie movie Junk was the worst offender for me. The Japanese actors reading phonetic cards held up behind the cameras were more convincing than the American they had in that film.

[cultlabs]

I've got a load of Merantau behind the scenes video blogs that I've added to Youtube. Here's the first three:

BEGINNINGS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQHYDVxwWHg)

CAMERA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P82uQW8M2W8)

CHOREOGRAPHY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7GwJx7X88E)

[BLfan]

Cutlabs - Is there still plans to release this on Blu Ray or is it going to be a DVD only release in the UK?

[blue_skies]

I've got a load of Merantau behind the scenes video blogs that I've added to Youtube. Here's the first three:

BEGINNINGS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQHYDVxwWHg)

CAMERA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P82uQW8M2W8)

CHOREOGRAPHY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7GwJx7X88E)


cult labs, are these extras on the DVD ?

[VenomsFan]

That stuff has been on youtube for over a year now. There is an official youtube channel for Merantau check it out.

[blue_skies]

That stuff has been on youtube for over a year now. There is an official youtube channel for Merantau check it out.

I'll wait and see what extras are on the DVD. It would be nice if all the promotional material available on the internet is on the DVD. I find it highly disappointing when DVDs don't have the disc full of extras when there's been tons made and released on the internet.

[cultlabs]

Extra Features on the Merantau Warrior disc...

Over 60 minutes of exclusive extras:

Deleted Scenes

Behind the Scenes

Making of Feature

Theatrical Trailer

[cultlabs]

That stuff has been on youtube for over a year now. There is an official youtube channel for Merantau check it out.

I know, I just need all the promo materials I can lay my hands on! In most places I'm telling people about the film for the first time, so those video blogs are really handy!

[blue_skies]

It's a vanilla disc I'm afraid

That is hugely disappointing especially with so much material available. I'm going to have to decide whether to cancel my pre-order and maybe wait for the region 1.

Do you know why distributors chose to leave them off?

Does anyone know of any other English subtitles version

[dragonfist]

I checked out a fair amount of this film. Like a lot of people have said, the fights have next to no impact or brutal force behind them. More like an incredible theater display. I'm definitely going to watch the whole thing though.

[cultlabs]

That is hugely disappointing especially with so much material available. I'm going to have to decide whether to cancel my pre-order and maybe wait for the region 1.

Do you know why distributors chose to leave them off?

Does anyone know of any other English subtitles version

DVD extras info ammended:

Over 60 minutes of exclusive extras:

Deleted Scenes

Behind the Scenes

Making of Feature

Theatrical Trailer

[blue_skies]

DVD extras info ammended:

Over 60 minutes of exclusive extras:

Deleted Scenes

Behind the Scenes

Making of Feature

Theatrical Trailer

That's good news cult labs!:bigsmile:

[cultlabs]

Indeed!

I posted a few more of the Production Diary videos:

http://cult-labs.com/a/Warrior-blogs2

On the Cult Labs Myspace.

[Improvisation]

I saw the trailer for this a while back and noticed that it looked like it was trying really, really, really hard to be Ong-Bak. (There have been tons of comparisons made between the two). I just hope it can shed those comparisons and turn this new silat guy into a superstar in his own right. There are too many one-hit wonders in this genre.

[BaronK]

" Like a lot of people have said, the fights have next to no impact or brutal force behind them."

So you're looking for movies to be full of brutal force?

While on the surface it looks like an OB type movie, I found the action to be done in more of Jack's style.

[cultlabs]

Latest MERANTAU WARRIOR review and a fight scene clip HERE (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=497135849&blogId=535304928)

[cultlabs]

As I was promoting Bodyguards and Assassins in another thread, I gave away a prize copy to one of the contributors at random.

I'll do the same here (UK only though sorry). So any thoughts on the movie, add them and, as long as you don't mind giving me a postal address, I'll mail out a DVD to one lucky member at the end of release week (the movies out 7th June).

[kingofkungfu2002]

I've already got mine ordered from HMV on Monday, so it'd be pointless putting my name in the hat for that giveaway :wink:

[bengs]

The setting of the film is similar to "Ong Bak" but otherwise, apart from a slight facial resemblance, it could just be one of any other number of martial arts films.. Iko Uwais does have skills though and does okay with the drama as far as a martial arts actor is concerned

Consider though that this is his first film, and, unlike Tony Jaa, I'm not even sure how much film work Iko has done before, if any even.. from what I heard he's starting working towards a new movie now, so in time we'll see what he is capable of.

[cultlabs]

MERANTAU WARRIOR is out this week.

Free copy for someone on Sunday...

[cultlabs]

Woefully late, Apologies.

[cultlabs]

Hello BLfan!

If you want a free copy of the DVD, drop me a PM.

I've got a copy to give away so I picked you out from the people who've contributed to this thread. Completely random choice.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

Hello BLfan!

If you want a free copy of the DVD, drop me a PM.

I've got a copy to give away so I picked you out from the people who've contributed to this thread. Completely random choice.

Sent you a PM!!!

[blue_skies]

Sent you a PM!!!

I think he meant BLfan

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

I think he meant BLfan

Whoops.... My proof reading skills are lacking in sight...

[make believe]

any word when Magnet / Magnolia is going to release this? The other day I was this close to ordering a bootleg of it. It was also the 130 minute version which made it all the more tempting.

[HAZ]

I just saw Merantau in the theater yesterday at the Fantasia film festival. I saw this review from the main site of KFC

http://www.kungfucinema.com/review-merantau-warrior-2009-14390

My quick take on the film is that the action is phenomenal. There's a fight on a narrow pedestrian bridge, which pulled me out of my seat - well shot, well choreographed, and full of drama. Iko Uwais is the love child of Gumby & Tony Jaa. He's one of the most inventive & capable of fighters I've seen in years. Director Gareth Evans put together a very well shot film, making great use of Jakarta locations; Merantau does not look like a film shot by amateurs. The premise of the film's plot is simple & compelling enough - a young man leaves his home in a small town and moves the city, challenging himself against the adversity of life. With all of that, you would think that Merantau couldn't go wrong, but the film is let down by many unintentionally hilarious scenes, bad dialogue, and acting performances that were so strange there are no words for them. The audience broke into laughter so many times during scenes that were meant to be dramatic, but killed by strange turns of phrase or awkward moments. Merantau's bad guy is probably the funniest villain I've ever seen in a martial arts film - I can't place his accent, which he goes in and out of throughout the movie. He could be French, Spanish, or South African. He's a Western sex-slave trader, who's inclined to go around hugging his fellow gangsters while bleeding on them profusely. There's a scene in which he takes a bottle to the face that cracked people up, and when he smashes a glass of scotch against his brother's head in a moment that I think was meant to be dramatic, it was one of the best WTF moments I've ever had watching a movie. It's crazy, hard to describe and needs to be seen to be believed. As a Martial arts film, Merantau is noteworthy for it's action scenes, but as a cult classic/midnight madness film it has a huge future ahead of it.

[blue_skies]

I saw Merantau a while ago now and hugely enjoyed it. Some great and skilful action from a potentially future martial-arts superstar. I really enjoyed the Silat style making the fight sequences look different and still very exciting. It was also good to see the action crescendo towards the end of the film with the fights getting better and better throughout the movie.

[blue_skies]

For those of you not able to watch the UK DVD of Merantau it is being released on 28th December 2010 in the US. DVD & Blu Ray.

[GwaiLoMoFo]

Good film. Nice story and good performances by the actors. Action does progressively get better and the end fight in the film is great.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

^ yep, this movie is phenomenal got it on bluray..... I love the story and the characters you care about, good stuff...

[DeathFuMaster]

So is the Merantau Blu-Ray cut? Amazon version says 112 mins. If its supposed to be 130 mins, thats a lot. If so, whats cut?

[ShaOW!linDude]

Hmmm. This is interesting. I have the Blu-ray (112 mins.) and the first version I bought (put out by BonZai Media Corp.) which states it's uncut (108 mins.). I just threw both copies in the dvd player to double check and those are correct run-times.

Hmmm. I watched these like within a month or so of each other but I don't remember any differences to tell you the truth. Certainly not in the fight scenes.

Sounds to me like you should get the Blu-ray. It's got a bunch of extras including a deleted fight sequence.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

^ yeah, I think the scenes that were in the director's cut are the deleted scenes included in the bluray/dvd.... It's mostly Yuda mentoring that little kid when he got to Jakarta and some family drama with his brothers in the beginning of the film...

[mpm74]

This one is in the mail. I'm looking forward to it.=D

[DeathFuMaster]

Ok thanks for the info guys. This will definitely be my next blu-ray purchase.

[Dale]

I got the DVD the special features are all good and one of the deleted scenes I would of liked to have in the film. The only thing is I had slight difficulty getting the subtitles to work but that's an intense nitpick.

This movie is off the chain, a modern martial arts film with good acting, good writing and some of the best action scenes ever to be filmed. This is one sweet episode of the Twilight Zone.

I would put the final two on one fight as the best two on one fight of the decade even surpassing the one in Ong Bak2.

[Ramji]

Just watched this movie last night, wanted to watch the uncut version first time if I could but it wasn't happening so finally gave in and purchased the region 2 disc. What can I say? The movie was awesome and the best thing, I enjoyed it as a complete piece. The tone the director set was really involving for me.
I would put the final two on one fight as the best two on one fight of the decade even surpassing the one in Ong Bak2.

You know what, I actually thought that fight, at least the beginning of it before they get the weapons out to be the worst fight in the film. The fight between Yuda and the Silat master in the lift was the best for me.

Just to be really critical, some of the blows weren't sold as hard as you might see in a Tony Jaa film for instance and some stunt guys reactions/falls were a little soft and there were couple of dodgy bits of wirework but considering this was a first time attempt for a lot of the crew it's definately a brilliant achievement. Hope there's another in line.

[DeathFuMaster]

Hope there's another in line.

Me too, but I hope unlike Ong Bak, they go with an original movie instead of sequels.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Me too, but I hope unlike Ong Bak, they go with an original movie instead of sequels.

There's sequels to Ong Bak?:tongue:



I didn't care for Merantau. The elevator fight was good. I can't say any other fights stood out to me. I wish they would have got some guys with high level skills to play the main bad guys. Maybe then I would speak more highly of this movie.

[The Amazing Psycho Per]

I'll agree with you that the main bad guy is skill less, but Laurent Buson, the other one, is good. He's a member of Z stunt team. Check this out:
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[bengs]

Me too, but I hope unlike Ong Bak, they go with an original movie instead of sequels.

No sequels to "Merantau". From what I heard, the next project to begin shooting in a few months is called "The Raid", it was described as a cross between "Die Hard" and "Assault in Precint 13" played out as a martial arts picture.

After that is "Berandal", the setting is in a prison and might have Iko Uwais alongside a 'foreign' actor.

[KUNG FU BOB]

I'll agree with you that the main bad guy is skill less, but Laurent Buson, the other one, is good. He's a member of Z stunt team. Check this out:

Thanks for posting that. I don't think I've seen too much of the Z Team's work. Those guys are really impressive!

No sequels to "Merantau". From what I heard, the next project to begin shooting in a few months is called "The Raid", it was described as a cross between "Die Hard" and "Assault in Precint 13" played out as a martial arts picture.

After that is "Berandal", the setting is in a prison and might have Iko Uwais alongside a 'foreign' actor.

Good news indeed Bengs! I am anxious to see more from Iko Uwais. Do you know if these projects are going to be with Iko Uwais teaming up with MERANTAU's director again?

I really enjoyed MERANTAU. I picked up the UK DVD when it came out. My buddy Gorhama found the BD for a great price and got it for me :bigsmile:, so I'm looking forward to watching it again in style, and seeing all of the extras.

Personally, I thought the lift fight was incredible. I also really loved seeing Iko's Silat skills in the pedestrian bridge scene. The end fight was very, very cool. Great stuff. Looking forward to the next one from any of the guys involved.

[blue_skies]

Good news indeed Bengs! I am anxious to see more from Iko Uwais. Do you know if these projects are going to be with Iko Uwais teaming up with MERANTAU's director again?

.

YES:bigsmile:

http://www.kungfucinema.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12712&highlight=berandal

there has been a change of plans in the merantau films camp. Back in june word came out that the follow up film to iko uwais' star-making performance would be berandal, a large scale prison gang movie intended to star not only merantau stars iko uwais and yayan ruhian but also an additional pair of international fight stars. Well, while plans for berandal are still moving ahead the scope and international nature of it have proven a bit more complex and time consuming than anticipated. So while the film is still in the cards director gareth evans and stars iko uwais and yayan ruhian have decided to fill the gap with something a little different.

Imagine this, if you will: Die hard fused with assault on precinct 13 played out as a high octane martial arts picture. This is the raid (serbuan maut) and that description above is just how i like to describe it. Here's how writer-director gareth evans does:

A swat team arrives at a rundown apartment block with a mission to remove its owner, a notorious drug lord named tama. The building has never been raided before, never been touched by police. Seen as a no go zone it has since become a sanctuary to killers, gangs, rapists and thieves seeking accommodation in the one place they know they cannot be touched.

Making their move in the break of dawn the swat team work their way up the building under cover of silence. But when a chance encounter with a spotter blows their cover and with news of their assault traveling to tama in his penthouse suite the building is locked down with all lights out and all exits blocked.

Stranded on the 6th floor the swat team must fight their way through every floor and every room not just to complete their mission but to survive.

Fight choreography and early camera tests for the raid are currently underway with an eye to launching full pre-production early in the new year for a spring shoot in jakarta. La based xyz films and jakarta based pt merantau films are on board as executive producers.

In the interest of full disclosure, yes, i am a partner at xyz films and have had a minor hand in the development of this and will continue to be involved through the festival play and international marketing of it. I'll have a similar role on this as i had on merantau, basically, though i'm involved earlier this time. That information doesn't make the kick pictured above any less impressive.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

^ Holy shit, I can't wait to see how this thing turns out... Die Hard meets Assault 13, damn that's an action movie I want to see... Are they going to release it this year???

[daisho2004]

Sounds really good, keep up posted.

[bengs]

Good news indeed Bengs! I am anxious to see more from Iko Uwais. Do you know if these projects are going to be with Iko Uwais teaming up with MERANTAU's director again?

Yes Gareth Evans will be involved with those films.

[bengs]

^ Holy shit, I can't wait to see how this thing turns out... Die Hard meets Assault 13, damn that's an action movie I want to see... Are they going to release it this year???

From what I read, "The Raid" is going to start shooting in about 2-3 months, and they want to do "Berandal" in 2012 so I guess there is a possibility it could come out late this year. I've tried to contact Gareth about it but no reply to me.

[ghevans]

Thanks for the comments about the film, much appreciated.

Just to confirm, we are in pre-production on The Raid now, with production starting mid-march. The fighting style is going to be different from Merantau with a much more aggressive use of silat from Iko Uwais and Yayan Ruhian.

We're expecting the film to be completed before the end of this year hopefully with a festival run in Q4 of 2011 before we release domestically in Indonesia January 2012.

Very happy to hear you're excited for the film, will keep you guys posted once we release any publicity materials.

[The Amazing Psycho Per]

Thanks, great news! Can't wait to see what you guys do next. More agressive use of silat? I like that:xd:.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

Welcome aboard Ghevans, keep making them hits, enjoy your work bro!!!!

[bengs]

Thanks for the comments about the film, much appreciated.

Just to confirm, we are in pre-production on The Raid now, with production starting mid-march. The fighting style is going to be different from Merantau with a much more aggressive use of silat from Iko Uwais and Yayan Ruhian.

We're expecting the film to be completed before the end of this year hopefully with a festival run in Q4 of 2011 before we release domestically in Indonesia January 2012.

Very happy to hear you're excited for the film, will keep you guys posted once we release any publicity materials.

Nice to see you Mr Evans and thanks for the update here.
Been trying to get to you through twitter, so great that you joined the forums.

[Yi-Long]

So... how many damn different cuts are out for this Merantau movie, and why the hell do they keep doing this shit!?

[daisho2004]

So... many damn different cuts are out for this Merantau movie, why the hell do they keep doing this shit!?


Yi-Long: MONEY! I feel your Pain on this subject! I hate buying a movie only for it to have atleast 3 other verisons come out after I already bought the damn movie!

[Yi-Long]

Yi-Long: MONEY! I feel your Pain on this subject! I hate buying a movie only for it to have atleast 3 other verisons come out after I already bought the damn movie!

What money!? Like I'm gonna BUY a cut version. Fuck that. Plus I'll be warning all my potentially interested friends as well to NOT BUY the CUT version.

There should be a consumer-protection law that states that all DVDs/BRs should be sold with clear information ON THE PACKAGING about if the version that is sold is cut in any way, shape or form.

It's incredible how many consumers are spending money on INCOMPLETE products without knowing it.

Now, I know some people will say: "it's no big deal" (and those people are fucking idiots)... but if you tell those consumers there's 10 minutes missing from the movie they paid full-price for, most of those people will be pissed off, and feel ripped off.

Ow, and considering GHevans is here to answer our questions: What the fuck is wrong with you as a director that you allow others to cut your movie up!? What arguments did they have!? How did they convince you that those cuts would be helpful in any way, and how can you accept it considering your background here on this forum and in this 'world', and thus knowing the fans' general reaction to this kinda BS!?

[bengs]

What money!? Like I'm gonna BUY a cut version. Fuck that. Plus I'll be warning all my potentially interested friends as well to NOT BUY the CUT version.

There should be a consumer-protection law that states that all DVDs/BRs should be sold with clear information ON THE PACKAGING about if the version that is sold is cut in any way, shape or form.

It's incredible how many consumers are spending money on INCOMPLETE products without knowing it.

Now, I know some people will say: "it's no big deal" (and those people are fucking idiots)... but if you tell those consumers there's 10 minutes missing from the movie they paid full-price for, most of those people will be pissed off, and feel ripped off.

Ow, and considering GHevans is here to answer our questions: What the fuck is wrong with you as a director that you allow others to cut your movie up!? What arguments did they have!? How did they convince you that those cuts would be helpful in any way, and how can you accept it considering your background here on this forum and in this 'world', and thus knowing the fans' general reaction to this kinda BS!?

Ok I understand your frustration, but no need to get so worked up about it.

I don't have direct involvement or knowledge in the industry, but I'd expect the director's vision is to capture their art and share it for the world to enjoy. Once the film passes out their hands into the world of distributors, dealing with licensing rights, broadcast codes etc then they may not be able to control it. Anyway, again, just my speculation.

[ghevans]

I understand the frustration regarding films being trimmed for International releases, I more than anyone else wanted the film to be made available for all audiences to see it as I'd intended. But understand there was no evil conspiracy that led to Merantau being cut from it's initial 135min running time to the International version.

There are only 2 versions of the film, the International Cut and the Indonesian cut and I didn't let anyone else touch the film. I took charge of the edit myself after market screening reports suggested in its full version that the film would be a hard sell to distributors - we have a long build up before any of the action truly starts. In the international cut it comes in at roughly 30mins (which even then, a lot of audiences felt was too long), but in the Indonesian cut its almost close to 50mins. This was a major concern for a lot of the distributors, and seemed across the board to be the general feeling during screen tests also.

So from there, we re-cut the film to meet the market needs - now I know this will seem horribly shallow but while I stand by my work and fought to keep as much as possible I also have a responsibility to the production company and it's investors to deliver a film that can travel outside of a local release. And also, the full version still exists and was released theatrically and on DVD in Indonesia.

It was incredibly difficult to go back to the film and re-edit something I'd spent over a year of my life developing. There are decisions I made in the International cut that I'm actually more happy with as it allowed me one more run at it with extra time and hindsight to go back and fix some pacing issues that became more and more apparent after screenings of the film. Having said that there were some instances where I felt sad to lose some scenes that I still hold dear. I don't stop thinking about the edit, recently I thought of more that could be done in order to re-insert a scene we had previously deleted. But the time comes when you just have to let go.

We've learnt our lesson from Merantau, making 2 versions isn't an easy choice to make, and it costs a lot of money to do so. I can say to you though that our next film won't have that problem, there'll be only one cut of it - and I hope you will support us but more importantly, enjoy the films we make.

[Yi-Long]

Ok I understand your frustration, but no need to get so worked up about it.

I don't have direct involvement or knowledge in the industry, but I'd expect the director's vision is to capture their art and share it for the world to enjoy. Once the film passes out their hands into the world of distributors, dealing with licensing rights, broadcast codes etc then they may not be able to control it. Anyway, again, just my speculation.

Actually, I DO need to get worked up about it, cause it's been the same shit for over 60 years now, and it's completely unnecessary.

Even classics like Seven Samurai got cut up, because 'some' suits thought us 'westerners' would run out of the cinema screaming and tearing our hair out because it might all be too 'Jappy' for us to handle.

In the end though, it turns out, we watch these movies because we are already very open to different cultures (or at least to experiencing other cultures through their movies...), and we prefer them in their original state. I doubt there are more than 5 good movies that benefitted from being cut. I certainly can't think of any...

So again, we DO need to get worked up about this issue, ESPECIALLY if there are now directors who come from this fanbase, know what we like and hate, and could now be in a position to inform those suits about these feelings, and also standing up for them.

I understand the frustration regarding films being trimmed for International releases, I more than anyone else wanted the film to be made available for all audiences to see it as I'd intended. But understand there was no evil conspiracy that led to Merantau being cut from it's initial 135min running time to the International version.

There are only 2 versions of the film, the International Cut and the Indonesian cut and I didn't let anyone else touch the film. I took charge of the edit myself after market screening reports suggested in its full version that the film would be a hard sell to distributors - we have a long build up before any of the action truly starts. In the international cut it comes in at roughly 30mins (which even then, a lot of audiences felt was too long), but in the Indonesian cut its almost close to 50mins. This was a major concern for a lot of the distributors, and seemed across the board to be the general feeling during screen tests also.

So from there, we re-cut the film to meet the market needs - now I know this will seem horribly shallow but while I stand by my work and fought to keep as much as possible I also have a responsibility to the production company and it's investors to deliver a film that can travel outside of a local release. And also, the full version still exists and was released theatrically and on DVD in Indonesia.

It was incredibly difficult to go back to the film and re-edit something I'd spent over a year of my life developing. There are decisions I made in the International cut that I'm actually more happy with as it allowed me one more run at it with extra time and hindsight to go back and fix some pacing issues that became more and more apparent after screenings of the film. Having said that there were some instances where I felt sad to lose some scenes that I still hold dear. I don't stop thinking about the edit, recently I thought of more that could be done in order to re-insert a scene we had previously deleted. But the time comes when you just have to let go.

We've learnt our lesson from Merantau, making 2 versions isn't an easy choice to make, and it costs a lot of money to do so. I can say to you though that our next film won't have that problem, there'll be only one cut of it - and I hope you will support us but more importantly, enjoy the films we make.

Thanks for your quick and extensive reply, Ghevans.

I didn't expect an evil consipiracy to be the root of the cause. Usually it's fear, insecurity, and hope that a different cut for a different audience is a right answer to those fears.

It usually isn't btw. Ong-Bak didn't become a success because of the cuts, but despite the cuts. And it's the same for many other movies which were shredded up.

Now, you give a very good explanation about the valid concerns, so I understand the fears, especially considering the fact that this is ofcourse marketed as an action-movie.

I also am happy to hear that they allowed you the right to make those cuts in your way, instead of letting some interns over at the studio do it without your consent.

However, I've got to ask you. How did the indonesian cut 'score' among it's audience? Did they rate it highly? Did they have a huge problem with the longer build-up? Were people indeed walking out after 40 minutes?

I ask, because often the longer the build-up, the more rewarding the explosion. Titanic is a movie about a big ship sinking. Yet after 2 hours in, everyone is still playing footsy and conversing in quite trivial conversations.

There have been many many directors and studios with those same concerns as yours. I'm sure the studio shitted their pants when Sergio Leone brought in Once upon a Time in the West, with that long-ass intro at the trainstation. Yet in the end, we all seem to prefer the 'complete' and uncut version. When it's a good movie, when the story is decent, when the actors and the acting are interesting... we usually won't walk out.

Mostly, the fears of a studio, while sometimes understandable, are quite unnecessary at the end of the day. If your movie was a great success in Indonesia, there really wasn't a reason to think it would have a completely different effect on the people here...

In fact, it's potential fanbase, namely the people on forums like these who have been keeping an eye on this project, and which will make or break the movie through positive or negative feedback-sharing. Now, we know 1 thing about us fanboys, and that's that we're quite anal. We usually can cope with a slow build-up when the end is rewarding. However, we do HATE it when we get a chopped up version. Not just because we feel we are special and different from the average 'Joe Hick' on the street 'who wouldn't 'get' our love for foreign exotic movies, but because we feel we would love the movie in it's original state, and we feel DENIED that opportunity to love it completely when we get a shorter cut.

Like I said, this isn't the first time a movie is cut out of fear that a western audience might not accept it in it's current state. We can probably fill a complete encyclopedia with altered foreign movies.

The question is always: is it REALLY necessary to do so, and does it actually improve on the quality of the movie and the experience of the person watching it. I sincerely belief that's exceptionally rarely the case.

Anyway, it's good to hear that next time you will just make 1 cut (or at least, that seems to be the intention), so that's a positive. I hope the studio will also be at peace with that.

Will the indonesian cut get an asian BR-release btw? I'm sure there are many indonesian people working in Hong Kong who would probably enjoy the movie as well... (although I doubt many of them will have access to a BR-player, come to think of it...). And is there a chance that the indonesian cut will get a release in the west?

[ShaOW!linDude]

I understand the frustration regarding films being trimmed for International releases, I more than anyone else wanted the film to be made available for all audiences to see it as I'd intended. But understand there was no evil conspiracy that led to Merantau being cut from it's initial 135min running time to the International version.

There are only 2 versions of the film, the International Cut and the Indonesian cut and I didn't let anyone else touch the film. I took charge of the edit myself after market screening reports suggested in its full version that the film would be a hard sell to distributors - we have a long build up before any of the action truly starts. In the international cut it comes in at roughly 30mins (which even then, a lot of audiences felt was too long), but in the Indonesian cut its almost close to 50mins. This was a major concern for a lot of the distributors, and seemed across the board to be the general feeling during screen tests also.

So from there, we re-cut the film to meet the market needs - now I know this will seem horribly shallow but while I stand by my work and fought to keep as much as possible I also have a responsibility to the production company and it's investors to deliver a film that can travel outside of a local release. And also, the full version still exists and was released theatrically and on DVD in Indonesia.

It was incredibly difficult to go back to the film and re-edit something I'd spent over a year of my life developing. There are decisions I made in the International cut that I'm actually more happy with as it allowed me one more run at it with extra time and hindsight to go back and fix some pacing issues that became more and more apparent after screenings of the film. Having said that there were some instances where I felt sad to lose some scenes that I still hold dear. I don't stop thinking about the edit, recently I thought of more that could be done in order to re-insert a scene we had previously deleted. But the time comes when you just have to let go.

We've learnt our lesson from Merantau, making 2 versions isn't an easy choice to make, and it costs a lot of money to do so. I can say to you though that our next film won't have that problem, there'll be only one cut of it - and I hope you will support us but more importantly, enjoy the films we make.


I get what your saying.

Question: Why did the fight scene of the other Silat fighter get cut? It's not that long and the build up to it wasn't that long or time consuming. I think impressing the audience with his skills then would've been integral to bringing an increased excitement at the moment of the elevator fight scene (which is the best one filmed ever btw).

That would be my only suggestion. I realize all films have cuts made on the editing room floor........but don't cut boss fights sequences out even if they are short.

Hey, thanks for posting by the way. Lots of folks in your position wouldn't "condescend" to us genre fans like us. I, for one, appreciate it. I liked your directing and pacing. Thank you sooooo much for avoiding quick cuts and close-ups which actually negate the feel of the action/fighting. I'm looking forward to more of your projects.

[daisho2004]

OK I watched this movie again last night on BR, and I have a copy that I got from overseas and I really didn't see anything that was cutout from this movie. There was an awesome deleted scene which is a shame didn't make it into the movie, that is bcuz it was 15min. But it was a scene where he meets that Guy Eric at a cafe and he asks him how he is doing and tells him to come with him he has some work for them, he takes him to an underground fighting match and Eric busts this dudes ass up and asks if he wants to come and join him and he tells him no that is not his way. That also shows how Eric ended up working for the Owner of the club as an Enforcer and when they have ther fight in the elevator that was a great scene that needed to be left in the movie.

[ghevans]

Thanks again for the comments, I'll try and cover most of what was brought up...

The Fighter Recruitment scene was absolutely the hardest scene to cut, I loved that scene and it really built up the "friendly nemesis" angle we were going for with Yayan Ruhian's character for the eventual fight inside the elevator (2 equally matched silat fighters). I tried to look for ways to keep it in, but the flow of the scenes before it meant that logically I had to keep around 10-11mins worth of drama prior just to get to the meat of that scene. Their characters had separated, so I couldn't just keep the fight club scene I had to have everything before it - from Yuda meeting with Adit again, the teaching scene and his reunion with Eric.

It was a hard decision to make, and without a doubt the final decision to be made.

Other edits are minimal, some small dialogue moments were cut (not essential to plot or character building) while others were trimmed slightly to improve the pace of the film.

Thanks for the compliment re: the elevator fight, it was easily the one scene we were all most proud of after shooting, we only had 2 days to shoot it and the guys kicked and punched living shit out of each other for 14hrs a day racking up over 300 takes before we were finished.

Re: Indonesian Cut release, I'm pushing to see what we can do to get it out with English subs - if it gets re-released in Indonesia it will be on DVD however, as there's no domestic BR authoring here at the moment. If there's any news regarding this, I'll post it on here.

[bengs]

Thanks for the insight Mr Evans. As a whole "Merantau" re-captured my interest in martial art films, that I had been missing for a long time. I appreciate you make the effort to come here and share your personal feedback with us. I'll be looking forward to what you produce in the future.

Mr Ruhian did a great job in "Merantau" and I'm pleased to see him in the next film "The Raid", I hope he may have a more prominent role. Also, I haven't heard about these cuts from "Merantau", so I would also very much like to see a full version of the film sometime.

[daisho2004]

I think you guys created a good character with Yuda and you should bring him back somehow for Merantau part 2! More hard hits, more crazy stunts, more action, more bloody and evil scary bad guys!

Possible Spoiler:

DragonSword: I agree & disagree with you at the same time, I like the character they created with Yuda but he died at the end of this movie, so I don't want to see a pt.2 that to me ruins a great movie. I could see if he lived then that would be different. That is the problem with most movies today, they keep bringing a character back from the dead, or he has a twin brother. I'm looking forward to a new film with these characters in them.

[MattK]

Thanks Mr Evans for replying to all KFC posters comments, it shows great humility and just adds to the respect i have for you after watching the extras on the making ofs on the DVD. The film is fantastic and has, for me, alot more heart and philosophy then most martial art films and though this will inevitably be compared to ong bak, i loved merantau for what it was and you can truly see the love and care that was put into the production and i'm very excited about your next project 'the raid', iko and the rest of the cast were awesome. and good for indonesia cos i cant name any other films that come from there

also wanted to say your teaser for berandal was brilliantly directed with the build up/ music/ and climax all timed perfectly, can you say who the international talent, i can understand if you want to wait til its done for promo and if that the case can you say if any of them are chinese? Just looking forward to seeing Iko fight people with some styles that could trouble him on screen for classic battles :)

thanks again, and keep making movies, best film of 09 that was for me! :)

[slinky]

I don't see why they just don't put an option to watch the original cut vs the international. I wish they would do this for deleted scenes too. I would like to see it how it was even if the cut is better, actually i would watch both. They should see if they could get Billy Chong involved if he still does stuff.(even a cameo) Because to me he was one of the greats along with the rest of the elite. Loved Merantau by the way and hope to see more as good if not better, please don't cut back on the action(fight scenes) like so many do though. Just my two cents.:tongue:

[ghevans]

Thanks again for the kind comments, really appreciate it.

RE: Berandal casting, everything is ongoing and as the project isn't due to begin until 2012 at the earliest I'm afraid I can't really say much more at the moment, especially in this industry as things change so often. Once anything is confirmed however, I'll be sure to announce it.

In THE RAID we're definitely not cutting down on fights, my AD has the unenvious task of figuring out how the fuck we're going to be able to fit everything into our production schedule. In Merantau we had a lot of small fights, in THE RAID because of the concept we have a smaller number of fights but they progress and grow merging from one room to the next with different attackers. There's some breathing space to add to character and plot but the pace should keep the tension building throughout.

[Yi-Long]

@Ghevans. I didn't really get an answer to one of the questions I posed in my earlier wall of text :wink:

How was the reception by the indonesian audience to the longer cut!? Did they mind the longer build-up? Were people walking out because of it, or hating on it because of it!?

If the reaction was mostly very positive, then why worry about the western reaction to the exact same cut!?

And I can kinda understand the reasons given for trimming it for a theatrical release. (Understanding the reasons isn't the same as agreeing with them though)

... but why didn't you choose to include the longer cut for the BR-release, like King Kong!?

[blue_skies]

While I think it would be nice to have the longer director's cut released alongside the international cut of the film I do think Yi Long is completely over-the-top. Merantau isn't hacked to pieces and completely ruined by this shorter cut of the film. It's a very good film as it is in the international cut and to put off people from buying it is absolutely ridiculous. It deserves to be seen and I would highly recommend it to any one. In fact I would agree that while there is an audience to see the full version, there is an audience that isn't going to appreciate 50 minutes of story before getting to the action. There's still an audience that can't stand subtitles whatsoever and miss out on some terrific action/martial-arts films because of it. Surely it's better that these films are seen and encourage more people to watch, making this type of film more profitable and for talented directors like Mr Evans to get funding to make more films of this nature.

I'd like to say categorically that I don't feel cheated and in this case "it's not a big deal" and feel your comment calling anyone who doesn't feel ripped off a fucking idiot highly insulting .

Keep up the good work Gareth and I look forward to more of your projects with Iko Uwais.:xd:

[Yi-Long]

While I think it would be nice to have the longer director's cut released alongside the international cut of the film I do think Yi Long is completely over-the-top. Merantau isn't hacked to pieces and completely ruined by this shorter cut of the film. It's a very good film as it is in the international cut and to put off people from buying it is absolutely ridiculous. It deserves to be seen and I would highly recommend it to any one. In fact I would agree that while there is an audience to see the full version, there is an audience that isn't going to appreciate 50 minutes of story before getting to the action. There's still an audience that can't stand subtitles whatsoever and miss out on some terrific action/martial-arts films because of it. Surely it's better that these films are seen and encourage more people to watch, making this type of film more profitable and for talented directors like Mr Evans to get funding to make more films of this nature.

We've heard that rgument/excuse for decades now. "ow, as long as people watch it, it's good for the genre and the industry", pretending people wouldn't watch the movie it was 10 minutes longer. It's ridiculous. Like people are going to hate on Fist of Legend when there's 30 seconds of extra character-building in a scene, or they're gonna walk out of the theater when Ong-Bak doesn't have a shitty new soundtrack instead of the original one...(!)


I'd like to say categorically that I don't feel cheated and in this case "it's not a big deal" and feel your comment calling anyone who doesn't feel ripped off a fucking idiot highly insulting .

That's not what I said. I said everyone who says 'it's no big deal' is a fucking idiot. Not everyone who doesn't feel ripped off.

Keep up the good work Gareth and I look forward to more of your projects with Iko Uwais.:xd:

Agreed.

[Yi-Long]

Sergio Leone quit making movie because the movie studios kept chopping his films up without his consent. Then he dies and they come out with all his uncut works. Anyway man I think Merantau is fine the way it is. Sure it might suck a couple scenes were cut, but you get what you get Yi-Long. Directors don't like cutting up their movies, but it's a part of the business.

...if cutting up movies is 'part fo business', then I don't want to hear about these movies being 'art', or these directors being called artists...

... not to mention the fact that cutting these movies up very rarely resulted in a better product, plus like I said before, I very much doubt people will stay away or walk out whenever a movie has 10 minutes of extra footage which are an integral part of the story, or characterbuilding, or whatever.

I think it works the opposite. People who weren't interested in (let's say) Shaolin Soccer before the cuts, wouldn't be interested in the movie after the cuts and dub either. People who WERE interested in Shaolin Soccer before the cuts, will choose to stay away when they learn they'd be paying to watch a butchered version.

[Yi-Long]

They usually cut films so the film will flow better and go more smoothly through the eye of the audience. Lord of the Rings theatrical cut flows and runs smoothly, while the Directors's cut has a bunch of slow parts in there slowing down the pace of the film. They make extra money off of dirctor's cuts these days. They release the theatrical cut first, then the studio sometimes releases director's cuts to bring in more money for the studio. Remember money is the reason they make movies. Whatever is the best way to bring in more money they will do it...especially in Hollywood.

Ask a 1000 fans of the LOTR trilogy about which version they prefer, and 999 of them will tell you they prefer the director's cuts.

I understand the point about making money out of multiple releases, and if that was the case with asian movies, I wouldn't have much of a problem with it. I would just wait 6-12 months untill the version that I want (the uncut version) would be released.

However, as we all know, 9 times out of 10, we won't be getting the uncut version. That's my problem. I don't really mind a 'trimmed' version for the cinema (although I certainly wouldn't watch it), as long as we'd get an uncut release on DVD/BR.

[mpm74]

Great movie. =D

I kinda hate it when the head gangster ends up knowing how to fight. lol I just don't buy it. But hey, it's a martial arts movie, so what else should i expect?

Anyways, I posted my review in the reviews section.

[blue_skies]

Unfortunately it is part of the business and every artist in the business has to compromise. And the end of the day as Dragon sword has stated its all about money.

Let's be honest, every director in every country has parts cut out of the movie by themselves or by others. I'm sure they would love to keep everything in the movie but they are trying to make the movie the most sellable and in the case of Merantau it was felt that, as the director posted, people responded better to the movie with the actions starting around 30 minutes rather than 50 minutes. A lot has been lost but tightening up the movie can give the film a better pace. I can certainly say I've watched movies and thought it could be trimmed down and would have been a better film. Longer is not always better.

Lord Of the Rings is very good in the theatrical version and even better in the director's cut. However it is already extremely long at three hours for the theatrical. The 4 hours versions while giving you a more in-depth version of the film are a lot to sit through in one sitting at the Cinema. As much as I love the movies finding 4 hours to watch it isn't easy. I generally watch in two-hour segments splitting each part over two days.


or they're gonna walk out of the theater when Ong-Bak doesn't have a shitty new soundtrack instead of the original one...(!)




I have to disagree about the new soundtrack added to Ong Bak (I'm assuming you're talking about the UK version - at least I am) which I happen to think is fantastic. Having never heard the original version I found the UK score to really add something to the movie. I can't remember my exact thoughts and didn't even realise it had been replaced but it really impressed me.

[Yi-Long]

Unfortunately it is part of the business and every artist in the business has to compromise. And the end of the day as Dragon sword has stated its all about money.

Let's be honest, every director in every country has parts cut out of the movie by themselves or by others. I'm sure they would love to keep everything in the movie but they are trying to make the movie the most sellable and in the case of Merantau it was felt that, as the director posted, people responded better to the movie with the actions starting around 30 minutes rather than 50 minutes. A lot has been lost but tightening up the movie can give the film a better pace. I can certainly say I've watched movies and thought it could be trimmed down and would have been a better film. Longer is not always better.

Lord Of the Rings is very good in the theatrical version and even better in the director's cut. However it is already extremely long at three hours for the theatrical. The 4 hours versions while giving you a more in-depth version of the film are a lot to sit through in one sitting at the Cinema. As much as I love the movies finding 4 hours to watch it isn't easy. I generally watch in two-hour segments splitting each part over two days.

Ow, I agree completely that some movies are too long. And yeah, I even fell asleep briefly during 2 of the 3 LOTR movies in the cinema...

However, knowing that the longer cut IS the better cut according to everyone and their mother, when I picked them upon DVD, I never even considered picking up the theatrical cuts, and I'm only interested in the director's cut. and judging from pretty much every forum and website in the world, so is everyone else.

...which is why I said I can 'somewhat' understand trimming it a bit for the theatrical release... but I can't understand why there isn't an uncut version getting released on BR/DVD.

Longer isn't always better, but whenever cuts are made to a great movie solely out of fear that a new audience might not enjoy it as much as the original audience, it very very rarely leads to a better movie. I sure as hell can't think of many, if any.

I have to disagree about the new soundtrack added to Ong Bak (I'm assuming you're talking about the UK version - at least I am) which I happen to think is fantastic. Having never heard the original version I found the UK score to really add something to the movie. I can't remember my exact thoughts and didn't even realise it had been replaced but it really impressed me.

I thought the new UK soundtrack was horrible, especially in the marketchase-scene where I REALLY missed the pumped up original soundtrack. I believe in the US version they had another different soundtrack which most people also seriously hated.

I bought the Region 2 DVD solely for the excellent 'making off' extra on the special disc. Whenever I want to watch the movie, I'll stick to a subtitled version of the thai release.

One of the problems of all this cutting bullshit, is that whenever I'm in a store and I see an asian movie that I'm interested in, I don't know if it's been cut or not. So I don't pick it up unless I checked and do know...

Ow,and once again the question to Ghevans: How was the reception by indonesian audiences to the uncut version!? Did they like/love the movie or not!?

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

Yeah if you're going to release it on home video/dvd/bluray format at least give us everything like the director's cut, theatrical cut, shit cut whatever... Just give us the goods...

[blue_skies]

Ow, I agree completely that some movies are too long. And yeah, I even fell asleep briefly during 2 of the 3 LOTR movies in the cinema...

However, knowing that the longer cut IS the better cut according to everyone and their mother, when I picked them upon DVD, I never even considered picking up the theatrical cuts, and I'm only interested in the director's cut. and judging from pretty much every forum and website in the world, so is everyone else.

...which is why I said I can 'somewhat' understand trimming it a bit for the theatrical release... but I can't understand why there isn't an uncut version getting released on BR/DVD.

Longer isn't always better, but whenever cuts are made to a great movie solely out of fear that a new audience might not enjoy it as much as the original audience, it very very rarely leads to a better movie. I sure as hell can't think of many, if any.



I thought the new UK soundtrack was horrible, especially in the marketchase-scene where I REALLY missed the pumped up original soundtrack. I believe in the US version they had another different soundtrack which most people also seriously hated.

I bought the Region 2 DVD solely for the excellent 'making off' extra on the special disc. Whenever I want to watch the movie, I'll stick to a subtitled version of the thai release.


But in the case of Merantau we don't actually know that the longer cut is definitely better than the international cut. There may be demand from fans on forums like this but how many current members of this forum have actually seen it to know it is better?

I can understand why they didn't release both versions in the same package. It's a relatively unknown movie, with a largely unknown cast outside Indonesia, with a relatively unknown director (no offence Mr Evans if you're reading) that has only had a limited theatrical release (as far as I know mainly in Indonesia, but correct if I'm wrong) so distributors are not going to spend the money releasing it as they would for something with a renowned reputation. Especially at the moment I think we should count ourselves lucky that we actually got extras, although on that count I do feel extremely disappointed with Merantau knowing that there was so much on the internet that never got on the DVD.

Anyway regardless of your feelings about the theatrical cut surely you could just wait until the price drops and then pick up a copy? I mean the last time I looked a few weeks ago I could pick up a copy for the price of a rental. Then even if an opportunity appears you could always buy the director's cut in the future.

[Yi-Long]

But in the case of Merantau we don't actually know that the longer cut is definitely better than the international cut. There may be demand from fans on forums like this but how many current members of this forum have actually seen it to know it is better?


We don't know, which is why I've been asking Ghevans about the reception it's gotten in Indonesia, and we can't know, cause we aren't being given the chance to form that opinion about which cut is better. It's already been decided for us.


I can understand why they didn't release both versions in the same package. It's a relatively unknown movie, with a largely unknown cast outside Indonesia, with a relatively unknown director (no offence Mr Evans if you're reading) that has only had a limited theatrical release (as far as I know mainly in Indonesia, but correct if I'm wrong) so distributors are not going to spend the money releasing it as they would for something with a renowned reputation. Especially at the moment I think we should count ourselves lucky that we actually got extras, although on that count I do feel extremely disappointed with Merantau knowing that there was so much on the internet that never got on the DVD.
I've got the DVD of Love Exposure here. Unknown Japanese movie, uncut, 4 hours long. And it doesn't even have martial arts in it either. How come distributors are perfectly OK with releasing that movie uncut!?

Anyway regardless of your feelings about the theatrical cut surely you could just wait until the price drops and then pick up a copy? I mean the last time I looked a few weeks ago I could pick up a copy for the price of a rental. Then even if an opportunity appears you could always buy the director's cut in the future.

I'm kinda in a dilemma here. I'm not spending money on a cut movie, nor do I spend money on censored movies, or dub-only movies, or whatever. In fact, I hardly ever even decide to watch such a release, deciding I will just wait for an uncut version instead, and if that will never come, then I'm shit out of luck...

So that's why I hope that this movie will get an uncut release somewhere, sometime, so I can check it out...

[slinky]

I bought a couple blu rays of movies i watched when i was younger and came to find out they were missing parts, that makes me mad. I had good memories of those movies now tarnished by someone else because they thought it be better. I think it is wrong especially when i go to a theatre see a movie buy it a few months later on blu ray and it is missing parts. Personally i wish they would just give both versions i don't think it be a big deal or atleast make sure both are available so i can make my own decision not someone else making it for me. Just my opinion.:tongue:

[Yi-Long]

Yi-Long you sound like a spoiled brat. I've never seen someone whine so much over a "cut" movie and you should be thankful they are still even making martial arts movies. It's not like these filmmakers are rich and can just shit out a dvd release when they want to. If you don't want to buy the movie then don't buy it, it's your loss, life is too short to miss out on cool things like the Merantau movie. The director posts here and you sound like a jerk-off when you should be saying "thank you" for making a cool movie.

Thank you for your opinion and obviously I completely disagree with you.

First fo all, this is a kung fu cinema forum, and we've pretty much all complained about the treatment asian cinema has been given for ages now by the western distributors.

Now, when someone makes a (by many accounts) great movie, and then takes time out of his undoubtedly busy schedule to come here and respond to some of us and answer some questions, ofcourse I admire that and like that.]

However, I'd be the biggest hypocrite asshole ever, if I'm not gonna ask some questions about the cutting of the movie. Right!?

I mean, we all complain for years about this kinda shitty stuff, and as soon as a director comes by we should all forget our concerns and wishes, and crawl into his ass, kissing his internal intestines, and sucking our way all the way up to his heart!?

Like I said, I appreciate Ghevans coming here, and from what I've seen the movie looks great... but that doesn't mean I won't ask the stuff that's on my mind. And what's on my mind is mainly how we are getting a cut version of a great movie.

Now, Ghevans is undoubtedly a fan of the genre, so I'm pretty damn sure he has been pissed off over the issue of cut asian movies as much as most of us here have been pissed off about it. So that's why I ask about his own movie now being cut, and what pressures and challenges he faced with the western distributors, and what the chances are of also seeing an uncut release, ever, in the west.

You say we're lucky that there are still martial arts movies being made. What the hell!? It's one of the most popular genres in the world, one which transcends languages and traditions borders more easily than thrillers, musicals, etc etc. People all over the world love the universal language of asskicking, revenge, etc.

I bet you're one of those idiots who also feels we should be thankful to a guy like Harvey Weinstein for releasing horribly cut and dubbed versions of asian classics here in the west!?

[daisho2004]

See I have to agree with Yi-Long to a certain point we all hate to see movies cut up and he is just expressing his opinon and I'm with him on that, I did the samething with The Good ,The Bad and The Weird the other day when I watched it on BR they cut the ending up I was totally pissed off, and still am.

[ghevans]

About the local reaction to the film, fans of the film embraced it in a big way, but at the same time we had detractors comment on the slow build up of the film as one of the key issues.

We also had some complain about the ending, which naturally I'm not going to spoil here. I had a lot of suggestions to change it, but stuck by what I felt was right for the film and although I still get emails and comments criticizing it in my mind there was no other way for me to close the story. Any changes between Indonesian and International Cut are for the most part changes I agree with, only a few sequences I would have liked to have kept for building stronger characterization in some of the supporting roles.

Regarding a chance to see the full Indonesian cut, I'm pushing to get a local re-release of the DVD to include english subs. If this comes to fruition I'll let you know. My hope is to at least have them start work on it before we begin production on The Raid in March.

As always I'll keep you posted on any developments.

[Yi-Long]

About the local reaction to the film, fans of the film embraced it in a big way, but at the same time we had detractors comment on the slow build up of the film as one of the key issues.

We also had some complain about the ending, which naturally I'm not going to spoil here. I had a lot of suggestions to change it, but stuck by what I felt was right for the film and although I still get emails and comments criticizing it in my mind there was no other way for me to close the story. Any changes between Indonesian and International Cut are for the most part changes I agree with, only a few sequences I would have liked to have kept for building stronger characterization in some of the supporting roles.

Regarding a chance to see the full Indonesian cut, I'm pushing to get a local re-release of the DVD to include english subs. If this comes to fruition I'll let you know. My hope is to at least have them start work on it before we begin production on The Raid in March.

As always I'll keep you posted on any developments.

Thanks for your comments, G.

So you would say the majority of the indonesian reception was mostly very positive, with a small portion of the people complaining(?) or commenting on the slow build-up!? Did they feel the movie paid off the slow build-up!?

If the vast majority of the fans in Indonesia accepted and loved the uncut version, why were you or the western distributors affraid a western audience might not accept it!?

The ending was already spoiled here btw by another member ;)

I really hope there will be some way to get our hands on a subtitles uncut release some day.

I'm sure you're fed up with this whole discussion about this issue, especially with my nagging, but I'm sure as a fan of the genre yourself you must have had simular complaints about other releases you were interested in which were cut!?

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

I bought a couple blu rays of movies i watched when i was younger and came to find out they were missing parts, that makes me mad. I had good memories of those movies now tarnished by someone else because they thought it be better. I think it is wrong especially when i go to a theatre see a movie buy it a few months later on blu ray and it is missing parts. Personally i wish they would just give both versions i don't think it be a big deal or atleast make sure both are available so i can make my own decision not someone else making it for me. Just my opinion.:tongue:

Dragon Dynasty/Weinsturd/miramax always butcher Asian movies... I didn't know Bluray format was that old, how young were you when you bought your first bluray, LOL...

[mpm74]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha Yi Long you don't know anything about me hahahahahahahaha.

I don't get it.

[daisho2004]

See I'll be honest I just got myself a BR player for Christmas, I couldn't see spending money on movies that I already had. But I still bought it anyway, but what really pisses me off is that, I thought that when you got the BR movies everything would be on them uncut versions etc: So myself yes I'm disappointed that they don't come complete! And I really don't know why the distributors think that Western audiences aren't going to like the extended versions. Like I post about Merantau the cut scene at the underground fighting was a great scene that I wish was left in, and I know that ghevans also loved that scene as well, given that these movies are released on DVD we really should have the choice to watch the versions that the directors wanted us to see and not what the distributors felt would be better!

[mpm74]

Gotcha. =D

[slinky]

Originally Posted by:OpiumKungFuCracker

Dragon Dynasty/Weinsturd/miramax always butcher Asian movies... I didn't know Bluray format was that old, how young were you when you bought your first bluray, LOL...

Like 36. :tongue:

[Yi-Long]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha Yi Long you don't know anything about me hahahahahahahaha.

Yi-long thinks I like butchered movies.

Yi-long is wrong


In that case, I know you're a fucking hypocrite.

You say you don't like butchered movies. Neither do I, so I ask some questions to the director of a cut movie, and you attack me over it, saying I act like a spoilt brat.

You say I sound like a jerk-off, and that might be true, but it certainly isn't my intention.

I'm just asking the questions I'm interested in knowing the answers to, especially considering this is a subject that has affected us all for many many years now, and we now have a rare chance to ask a director straight on about it all. A director who is a fan of the same genre and who also understands our frustration over stuff like this, and thus hopefully will also take our opinions into account next time this issue comes up.

[daisho2004]

Guys lets stay on topic and not veer off here! Yi-Long I see your points and I do agree with them about movies being uncut, and I'm glad you also ask ghevans about this also.
And DragonSword it really is a shame how much hype they put on BR Movies and when you read a lot of the reviews the clarity & audio really isn't that good. But they want us to believe that BR is the future!

[Yi-Long]

@ Yi-Long I don't like butchered movies but I'm not going to stand around and weep, cry and moan to the filmakers until they release the version I want. I can appreciate things, because life is too short and the film is entertaining in its current version. I don't have time to wait around for special editions so I support these movies regardless of what cut I'm getting. I may not like what I eat for dinner every night, but I eat it anyway and appreciate what I have.

You're part of the problem. It's a shitty release yet you still pay them money for it, so they will just continue to fuck up these movies.

Filmmakers and distributors need to know that there's a big part of their potential target-audience who won't buy their product, if they have gone and fucked it up. That's the ONLY way how this is ever going to change.

Sadly, not every 'fanboy' has a spine, and thus a fool and his money are easily parted...

[daisho2004]

OK I think its safe to say we all agree that we hate films that are cut up! Again I agree with you Yi-Long that we the consumers should have the say in which version we want to see. They should really do a poll at all stores nation wide & on-line as well to get the consumers opinions on this. The Overseas distributors should also take a poll and see how wide the Asian market is over here. I wouldn't be surprised if the market over here was just as big or even bigger.

[Drunken Monk]

"Merantau" finally arrived at my house last night. I'm looking forward to watching it as soon as possible!

[bengs]

I wish they could make a poll on what movies are released, that way we don't get all these crap movies. I don't know why people think martial arts films are big in the states, I can't remember the last time a truly good martial arts film was released in the states in the movie theater. If the martial arts movies are so big, then why are these companies struggling and going out of business one by one. I live in the states were even finding a martial arts section can be difficult sometimes. I buy the versions that are released, but I don't mind double dipping. I have bought other versions of the same film many times, I don't mind because it's a hobby. I support the films, I support the actors, I support the disributors, I support the fans, I support the arts, I support the websites and finally I support the industry. I'll leave the bitching up to Yi-Long, in the meantime i'll be enjoying the movies, while Yi waits for his version. Have fun wasting your movie time.

Yeah I'm going to have to jump in here and agree with you in response to Yi Long. Of course I would also prefer to see films uncut and enjoy them as they were meant to be. But film business is exactly that - a business to get their work shared with as many people as possible, and unfortunately comes with sacrifice or concessions, but in the end it provides us with the film in a proper package and in return we can support those behind it so they can keep making films, and hopefully, with further success, have more options in distribution and marketing etc.

The bad attitude is also unnecessary, attacking DragonSword like he's offended you personally, it's just a film, take it easy. A fanboy without a spine? Well I agree with him. I would gladly pay to support an official release because it supports those who made it.

Not to mention firing off your frustrations at Mr Evans, man would have loved the opportunity to discuss the film with him directly but you keep persisting with your heroism, so probably won't even have a chance for that now.

[Yi-Long]

Yeah I'm going to have to jump in here and agree with you in response to Yi Long. Of course I would also prefer to see films uncut and enjoy them as they were meant to be. But film business is exactly that - a business to get their work shared with as many people as possible, and unfortunately comes with sacrifice or concessions, but in the end it provides us with the film in a proper package and in return we can support those behind it so they can keep making films, and hopefully, with further success, have more options in distribution and marketing etc.

The bad attitude is also unnecessary, attacking DragonSword like he's offended you personally, it's just a film, take it easy. A fanboy without a spine? Well I agree with him. I would gladly pay to support an official release because it supports those who made it.

Not to mention firing off your frustrations at Mr Evans, man would have loved the opportunity to discuss the film with him directly but you keep persisting with your heroism, so probably won't even have a chance for that now.

I don'tthink I was at any point in this thread 'firing off my frustrations at Mr. Evans', and I have just been my normal self, but if you have some quote somewhere from me to proof me wrong, please be so kind as to post it, so I can apologize to Mr. Evans.

And the 'spineless fanboy' wasn't aimed specifically at Dragonsword, and actually it isn't even aimed specifically at kung fu cinema fans, as there are spineless fanboys who buy George Lucas horrible cuts as well, but obviously he fits the description.

He says he's very much against western distributors cutting up asian movies, and then hands over his money to them and says:' thanks! Job well done! I'll enjoy this!'.

If you can't call that spineless, then I don't know when you can...

[bengs]

I don'tthink I was at any point in this thread 'firing off my frustrations at Mr. Evans', and I have just been my normal self, but if you have some quote somewhere from me to proof me wrong, please be so kind as to post it, so I can apologize to Mr. Evans.

And the 'spineless fanboy' wasn't aimed specifically at Dragonsword, and actually it isn't even aimed specifically at kung fu cinema fans, as there are spineless fanboys who buy George Lucas horrible cuts as well, but obviously he fits the description.

He says he's very much against western distributors cutting up asian movies, and then hands over his money to them and says:' thanks! Job well done! I'll enjoy this!'.

If you can't call that spineless, then I don't know when you can...

Yeah but why do you have to use derogatory terms like that here? Were all fans, we have disagreements and we all want to have the best quality films as they were meant to be seen, but unfortunately thats how the business is. I imagine that directors are also resigned to having to compromise their art for the business - I don't imagine any of them would like to spend so much time and care with their work only for parts of it to be cut out.

I can somewhat agree with DragonSword's intention - no its not ideal that we might be stuck with a poor english dub release, or a version with major cuts etc, but at the same time, at least we have the chance to watch it in a proper quality release as opposed to supporting bootleggers. The support may ultimately reflect on the quality of those behind the film and give them more ideal avenues to distribute their work in the future. However it came to be, I'd rather pick up an official, licensed copy of "Merantau" and support those directly involved rather than seeking out a poor quality bootleg.

Re your posts to Mr Evans, look I don't want to go quoting posts here and trying to analyse what you said, I just thought you were a bit too persistent, maybe passionate in your views, but considering it is his first major movie project, I don't think he is the person who can take on those comments. I think it would be more appropriate to encourage him with his work rather than the business of it. Maybe I misinterpreted your intentions, that's just how I saw it, so if I misunderstood, then it's my fault.

[Yi-Long]

Yeah but why do you have to use derogatory terms like that here? Were all fans, we have disagreements and we all want to have the best quality films as they were meant to be seen, but unfortunately thats how the business is. I imagine that directors are also resigned to having to compromise their art for the business - I don't imagine any of them would like to spend so much time and care with their work only for parts of it to be cut out.

Spineless fanboys ARE a problem. I know they're fans who just want to enjoy it all, but when you don't actually stand up for what you want, and better yet, what you DESERVE as a paying customer, then you're part of the problem. Some might not like to hear that, but that doesn't mean it can't be said.

I can somewhat agree with DragonSword's intention - no its not ideal that we might be stuck with a poor english dub release, or a version with major cuts etc, but at the same time, at least we have the chance to watch it in a proper quality release as opposed to supporting bootleggers. The support may ultimately reflect on the quality of those behind the film and give them more ideal avenues to distribute their work in the future. However it came to be, I'd rather pick up an official, licensed copy of "Merantau" and support those directly involved rather than seeking out a poor quality bootleg.

I'm not saying anyone should give money to bootleggers. I know I sure never have, and I never will.

However, that doesn't mean you should spend money on a poor release either. And I absolutely disagree with the notion that if we don't 'support' this, that these movies will stop being made.

I do believe sincerely that when fans give out a very clear and consistent message that we aren't going to support this kinda treatment, that studios and filmmakers will one day actually pick up on that, and possibly change their ways.

Re your posts to Mr Evans, look I don't want to go quoting posts here and trying to analyse what you said, I just thought you were a bit too persistent, maybe passionate in your views, but considering it is his first major movie project, I don't think he is the person who can take on those comments. I think it would be more appropriate to encourage him with his work rather than the business of it. Maybe I misinterpreted your intentions, that's just how I saw it, so if I misunderstood, then it's my fault.

Considering you're the one accusing me of 'firing my frustrations' at Mr. Evans, I think I'd kinda like to see some quotes to back that up.

Cause as far as I know, I've been my usual curious self who is just asking questions about an issue I'm very much interested in.

I can understand it isn't a very 'fun' issue, but I do feel it's an important issue, and I'm sure that Mr. Evans who himself is a fan, of all people, can understand why I ask, and more importantly, has been very kind and informative so far.

Like I said before: We've been complaining about this kinda stuff for many many MANYYYYyyyyy years.... right!? If someone from within the industry drops by for a visit, we can discuss this, right!?

Now if Harvey Weinstein would drop by on this board, THEN you would see me firing off some frustrations... :wink:

[Yi-Long]

Haha your funny Yi-Long. You think some Shaw Bros director will waste his time reading your comments, you think he will change his schedule over your stance on the industry? You think you will single handedly change the industry? Fight all you want but I don't ever recall websites or phone numbers where I can just get ahold of a director and tell him to not do this, and not do that. The money talks first, bullshit walks. It doesn't matter what the fan wants, it's a business and where the money goes, the product goes.

Money does indeed talk, which is why I'm not part of the problem, and you are.

[Yi-Long]

@ Yi-Long I don't like butchered movies but I'm not going to stand around and weep, cry and moan to the filmakers until they release the version I want. I can appreciate things, because life is too short and the film is entertaining in its current version. I don't have time to wait around for special editions so I support these movies regardless of what cut I'm getting. I may not like what I eat for dinner every night, but I eat it anyway and appreciate what I have.

Don't blame me for your problem. I never wrote a check out to the Weinsteins and others you hate. If anything I have supported imports for many years. I have got a couple DD releases but this isn't why you aren't getting your Director's cuts. I'm not made of money anyway Yi-long, and most of my movies I have I got used anyway.

You either bought this movie new, and thus voted with your wallet, telling them that you're perfectly fine with being served butchered cuts of great movies...

... OR you bought it 'used', as you say most of your movies have been bought used, which would go against your statement that you 'support' these movies, cause that means the makers aren't seeing any of your money either....

Which is it!?

So you can take that idea and wipe your ass with it.

Why would I want to wipe my ass with your bullshit!? That kinda defeats the whole purpose of wiping one's ass, wouldn't it...!?

[blue_skies]

We don't know, which is why I've been asking Ghevans about the reception it's gotten in Indonesia, and we can't know, cause we aren't being given the chance to form that opinion about which cut is better. It's already been decided for us.


I've got the DVD of Love Exposure here. Unknown Japanese movie, uncut, 4 hours long. And it doesn't even have martial arts in it either. How come distributors are perfectly OK with releasing that movie uncut!?



I'm kinda in a dilemma here. I'm not spending money on a cut movie, nor do I spend money on censored movies, or dub-only movies, or whatever. In fact, I hardly ever even decide to watch such a release, deciding I will just wait for an uncut version instead, and if that will never come, then I'm shit out of luck...

So that's why I hope that this movie will get an uncut release somewhere, sometime, so I can check it out...

Well that is because it's a drama. There's more emphasis on the story, characters, and drama, in which it makes no sense to cut it. Whereas there's a large proportion of people who will watch action/martial-arts films who don't want to be dragged down by lots of story and drama. Some people just want wham-bam, thank you ma'am ....and in English !

Okay it's a different cut of the movie but that's not to say it's inferior. Really you are cutting your nose to spite your face. I think it's a shame but who am I to argue if you want to deprive yourself of a very good movie. Just out of curiosity does that mean you won't watch the international cut at all? You're refusing yourself the opportunity to see which version is better?It's not like the distributor randomly cut out scenes to bring the time down. The director painstakingly went over the film again and tried to only cut out the extraneous material. He also felt that he improved some of the pacing of the film iirc from his comments.

Speaking of international cuts I remember watching a fantastic film called Leon. I didn't realise there was no longer cut and when I eventually saw it I thought it was better. That isn't to say that the shorter cut is a shit film and not worth watching. It's still very good and I could still watch it and enjoy it.

[blue_skies]

I bought a couple blu rays of movies i watched when i was younger and came to find out they were missing parts, that makes me mad. I had good memories of those movies now tarnished by someone else because they thought it be better. I think it is wrong especially when i go to a theatre see a movie buy it a few months later on blu ray and it is missing parts. Personally i wish they would just give both versions i don't think it be a big deal or atleast make sure both are available so i can make my own decision not someone else making it for me. Just my opinion.:tongue:

Hopefully in the future there will be a simple editing tool so you can add and remove scenes as you feel fit. Then you can include any of/some /all the deleted or extended scenes, use the alternate ending, change the music or just see it as it was intended. Tailor the film to your own tastes!

[BaronK]

Or, just make your own.

[slinky]

They didn't even add what they cut to the blu ray even as deleted scenes or anything that is what sucked. It was like classic movies to me too. I think it is wrong to cut if already shown that way. I don't have the power to not watch a movie though because of the cuts mainly because they don't release any of the uncut ones usually. Shame really in my opinion. :tongue:


Originally Posted by:blue_skies
Hopefully in the future there will be a simple editing tool so you can add and remove scenes as you feel fit. Then you can include any of/some /all the deleted or extended scenes, use the alternate ending, change the music or just see it as it was intended. Tailor the film to your own tastes!

Yeah that be great as long as they have those scenes and stuff on the blu rays or what ever medium they are using..

I think there is no excuse really on a blu ray not to have the extra things or both uncut etc., if don't want to do that then atleast have a uncut version. Some do include the uncut version and some have a uncut version also, but most don't. Personally i think all should have one(as in cut and uncut in one) or both(as in separate uncut and a cut version.). My 2 cents...

[bengs]

.......

Considering you're the one accusing me of 'firing my frustrations' at Mr. Evans, I think I'd kinda like to see some quotes to back that up.

Cause as far as I know, I've been my usual curious self who is just asking questions about an issue I'm very much interested in.

I can understand it isn't a very 'fun' issue, but I do feel it's an important issue, and I'm sure that Mr. Evans who himself is a fan, of all people, can understand why I ask, and more importantly, has been very kind and informative so far.

Like I said before: We've been complaining about this kinda stuff for many many MANYYYYyyyyy years.... right!? If someone from within the industry drops by for a visit, we can discuss this, right!?

Now if Harvey Weinstein would drop by on this board, THEN you would see me firing off some frustrations... :wink:


No its not a fun issue as you said, and you were persistent about it. Anyway, as I mentioned in my previous post, perhaps I misunderstood your intentions and I already considered myself at fault if that was the case.

Why don't you write a email or send a letter to the distributors or the people in question if you feel so strongly about it; I don't think messages on a forum are going to make much difference. Then, at least you would also get a answer from the people who are behind that part of the business.

If Mr Evans happens to pass this post, I wonder if he would consider answering a few more questions about the film itself.

[Yi-Long]

Yeah Yi-Long write a letter instead of insult hundreds of people on this forum calling them problems because they buy kung fu movies. These people don't have the knowledge that we do on this forum about cut versions and so forth. These people just want to see a kung fu movie so you can't blame the consumer. If you want to blame you blame the distributor. Because calling people the problem is causing problems and not talking about the problem will not fix the problem. So address the problem to the correct businessman and you maybe will then help change the problem.

You ARE the problem. You, me and everyone else on this board, the kung fu cinema fans, ARE the intended audience and thus intended customers.

You really think average joe has even heard of Merentau? Hell, most of them still don't even know what Ong-Bak is.

WE are the ones who will be watching this in the cinema and buying it on DVD/BR. WE are the ones who will be doing the positive word-of-mouth and recommending it to our friends. WE are the ones who are on forums and websites writing the reviews and such.

Now, as those fans and customers, we can do 2 things. We can accept the cuts, love the movie, and tell everyone to go see/buy it.

Or, since we disagree about the cut version we're once again 'given' (paying for), we can use that knowledge to inform others, our friends, people on forums, that they'd be paying to watch/buy an incomplete version. And they can still choose to buy/watch it.

You're 'insulted' because I'm saying you're part of the problem? Tough shit. You are. Deal with it or don't deal with it. I don't care. Just don't come cry about it, cause that doesn't make it less true. Like you said: Money talks, bullshit walks. YOU are the one supporting cut versions. YOU are the one validating those cuts cause YOU are the one buying the cut version. Not me.


Now, you and Bengs seem to think I'm persistent about this. That's partly true, and there are 2 reasons:

1: I'm asking a few questions, some of which I don't get an answer to, in which case I'llask the question again. Very simple. Right!? In each and every post I've been my normal polite self towards mr. Evans, whom I respect, but being polite doesn't mean I can't ask 'critical' questions where I'm simply interested in what lead to the decisions that were made, and if there is any chance that we WILL one day be able to get our hands on the complete movie.

Call me crazy, but on a board that's ALWAYS bitching about asian movies getting butchered by the studios, you'd think those would be valid questions to ask, when once in a blue moon someone from the industry actually drops by and is answering some of our questions and listening to our opinions...

Wow. I'm such an impolite asshole(!)

2: You think I'm repeating myself? Yes I am. You know why I'm repeating myself? Cause I'm being polite and respectful towards you and Bengs. You think I like repeating myself? No, I don't. In fact, simply the notion that I still haven't sent out my army of cyborg-hamsters after you illiterate bastards means I've been extremely kind so far...

But when you people are taking very simple and straightforward questions and remarks out of context, or giving them you're own interpretation and getting offended over it, or think that I'm 'attacking' Ghevans, or that I'm 'firing of my frustrations at HIM', then
I have to repeat myself, sadly, to make it clear what I actually said AND mean by it.

Now, I don't mind doing that once. I kinda start minding it when I have to do it twice. Yet right now we seem to be stuck in a circle where I rationally explain my points, and you're dealing with them like you're a fucking grapefruit.

Maybe, instead of instantly getting your panties in a bunch after reading half a sentence, You might actually try and read the complete post, see if you can understand the complete message I've been trying to convey, and if it's unclear, you might need to sit back, take a zip of your glass of milk, and try again. Maybe ask for some help from someone who does have a grasp of comprehensive reading.

Although, considering this post is once again already over 5 sentences long, and I doubt you've even reached this far before hitting the 'reply'button in a frenzy...

[ShaOW!linDude]

illitarete

Observation in Irony:

I find it ironic you would refer to someone as being illiterate and yet misspell the word. That cracks me up.

That's not intended as a dig btw. Just an observation.

Carry on.

[Yi-Long]

Observation in Irony:

I find it ironic you would refer to someone as being illiterate and yet misspell the word. That cracks me up.

That's not intended as a dig btw. Just an observation.

Carry on.

Wow... 1 spelling mistake in the whole post, and I happen to nail it exactly on THAT word..... :crossedlips: :Ayociexp118:

Whoops... :angel:

[daisho2004]

I really hate when we get off topic on a movie post it really takes people away from wanting to read it. I can see everyone's point. And as I have said many times b4 I agree with Yi-Long to a certain point. But to keep going on & on is really pointless. Everyone stated there opinion that is why we post here to review and discuss movies plain & simple not to bash each other. Unless the Mods decide to create a new section for Bashing movies and such that is a great idea then we can bash all types of movies/directors etc:

[Yi-Long]

I really hate when we get off topic on a movie post it really takes people away from wanting to read it. I can see everyone's point. And as I have said many times b4 I agree with Yi-Long to a certain point. But to keep going on & on is really pointless. Everyone stated there opinion that is why we post here to review and discuss movies plain & simple not to bash each other. Unless the Mods decide to create a new section for Bashing movies and such that is a great idea then we can bash all types of movies/directors etc:

Who's bashing movies?

And if you read back, I'm not 'going on and on about it'.

As far as I'm concerned, the only one who needed to reply to my initial questions was mr. Evans (which he mostly did), in which case I wouldn't have to keep repeating and explaining myself when Bengs and Dragonsword keep misinterpreting my posts/questions, and attacking me over it...

[daisho2004]

Sorry let me make it more clear I was referring to the bashing of the movies being cut up and stuff like that. And as I have said and many people on here feel the same way, we all hate to see movies cut up but unfortunately we cannot do anything about it, yes we could not buy these movies but we only end up missing out on a great movie whether it is cut up or not. I want to see the movie the way it was meant to be released and let us judge for ourselves which is the best version out there.

[blue_skies]

You ARE the problem. You, me and everyone else on this board, the kung fu cinema fans, ARE the intended audience and thus intended customers.

You really think average joe has even heard of Merentau? Hell, most of them still don't even know what Ong-Bak is.

WE are the ones who will be watching this in the cinema and buying it on DVD/BR. WE are the ones who will be doing the positive word-of-mouth and recommending it to our friends. WE are the ones who are on forums and websites writing the reviews and such.

Now, as those fans and customers, we can do 2 things. We can accept the cuts, love the movie, and tell everyone to go see/buy it.

Or, since we disagree about the cut version we're once again 'given' (paying for), we can use that knowledge to inform others, our friends, people on forums, that they'd be paying to watch/buy an incomplete version. And they can still choose to buy/watch it.

You're 'insulted' because I'm saying you're part of the problem? Tough shit. You are. Deal with it or don't deal with it. I don't care. Just don't come cry about it, cause that doesn't make it less true. Like you said: Money talks, bullshit walks. YOU are the one supporting cut versions. YOU are the one validating those cuts cause YOU are the one buying the cut version. Not me.
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I really don't think you understand that by discouraging people from buying or watching this film, or any martial-arts film, that this film will make less money and as such make investors less keen on funding these movies. Martial-arts movies are not great big money spinners they are a niche market. Why do you think Hollywood doesn't make loads of them, or barely any whatsoever? Because there isn't the money in it! As you said money talks.

Given that we, that being the people who are buying the DVDs/Blu ray, are supporting the film, or films, making sure they continue getting made. Without them getting made you can't have your little hissy fit to moan that there isn't a full director's cut. Which let's be fair you're judging the film without even seeing the "cut" version, which has been largely very well received . We are not validating any cuts. As others have said we just want to see the films. And let's face it Merantau is well worth seeing being easily one of the best martial-arts films of the year and deserves to be as widely seen as possible .

I also think you're failing to acknowledge the difference between a distributor butchering the film so that it doesn't make sense and possibly only released with an English dub. Versus the director cutting away the fat to make a leaner, tighter movie that may well work better. Note that Mr Evans said that test audiences responded better to the international cut. Not that you would know because you don't intend to watch this version at all, to compare which is the best version of the film. In an ideal world we would have both versions on the DVD. However it's run by economics and a film like Merantau isn't going to make shed loads of cash. It doesn't even matter that it's miles and miles better than anything Jackie Chan has done in a decade but will only make a tiny percentage of any of his Hollywood movies, probably his asian films too, on DVD.

I also agree with the others that you should write to the distributors rather than being rude to the director whose came to post here as a courtesy. Fair enough you're a straight talker but it wouldn't hurt if you reeled in your attitude.

[Yi-Long]

I really don't think you understand that by discouraging people from buying or watching this film, or any martial-arts film, that this film will make less money and as such make investors less keen on funding these movies. Martial-arts movies are not great big money spinners they are a niche market. Why do you think Hollywood doesn't make loads of them, or barely any whatsoever? Because there isn't the money in it! As you said money talks.

Given that we, that being the people who are buying the DVDs/Blu ray, are supporting the film, or films, making sure they continue getting made. Without them getting made you can't have your little hissy fit to moan that there isn't a full director's cut. Which let's be fair you're judging the film without even seeing the "cut" version, which has been largely very well received . We are not validating any cuts. As others have said we just want to see the films. And let's face it Merantau is well worth seeing being easily one of the best martial-arts films of the year and deserves to be as widely seen as possible .

I also think you're failing to acknowledge the difference between a distributor butchering the film so that it doesn't make sense and possibly only released with an English dub. Versus the director cutting away the fat to make a leaner, tighter movie that may well work better. Note that Mr Evans said that test audiences responded better to the international cut. Not that you would know because you don't intend to watch this version at all, to compare which is the best version of the film. In an ideal world we would have both versions on the DVD. However it's run by economics and a film like Merantau isn't going to make shed loads of cash. It doesn't even matter that it's miles and miles better than anything Jackie Chan has done in a decade but will only make a tiny percentage of any of his Hollywood movies, probably his asian films too, on DVD.

I also agree with the others that you should write to the distributors rather than being rude to the director whose came to post here as a courtesy. Fair enough you're a straight talker but it wouldn't hurt if you reeled in your attitude.

1: Quote 1 single sentence from me where I'm rude to mr. Evans.

2: I didn't say I'll never watch it. I said I won't be spending money on a cut version. If it gets shown on TV or I can borrow it from a friend, I will check it out.

3: Martial arts flicks will always be made. But if western publishers treat these asian movies like this, I'd rather they DON'T buy the rights to them, so we can just import a subtitled uncut version from Hong Kong or Thailand or whatever.

[Phoenix]

Could anyone please tell me which is the best dvd version to buy of this film?

Does any version include the deleted fight scene the director mentioned?

[ShaOW!linDude]

The Blu-ray contains the deleted scenes (including the extra fight sequence) as an extra. They are not incorporated into the film if that's what you're looking or hoping for. (Don't we all wish for that.:tongue:)

I would encourage you to go with the Blu-ray which I believe is the international cut. At least that's my understanding.

[Phoenix]

Thanks for your reply, I would really like to find a dvd release with the extra fight though.

[DeathFuMaster]

Got the Blu-Ray today, will be watching it tonight(finally)....I find myself getting further and further behind on Martial Arts films these days.

[blue_skies]

1: Quote 1 single sentence from me where I'm rude to mr. Evans.

2: I didn't say I'll never watch it. I said I won't be spending money on a cut version. If it gets shown on TV or I can borrow it from a friend, I will check it out.

3: Martial arts flicks will always be made. But if western publishers treat these asian movies like this, I'd rather they DON'T buy the rights to them, so we can just import a subtitled uncut version from Hong Kong or Thailand or whatever.

1. I mean no offence but if you need me to quote when you were rude to Mr Evans you need lessons civility.

2. What happens when you watch it and enjoy it? Will you buy it then? What if extended version is not released with English subtitles? Will you support the film and purchase the international version?

3. I couldn't disagree more. Under your theory Ong Bak wouldn't have been released in the Western world and the only way to see the film was through imported versions without English subtitles. While you may have hated the alterations in music soundtrack I quite frankly think the UK version is fantastic and think it's an excellent example of Western publishers treating Asian movies well. In addition while you're grumbling about Merantau(or "cut" films in general) I think it's a very good release. I think it would be a crying shame for a film like this and many others not to be released by Western publishers, denying many people the opportunity to see such a film. Not everybody imports. Even on this forum there are many people from the US that only purchase US discs. And unlike the US in the UK you cannot legally going to a shop and pick up a foreign import in the shops.

[Yi-Long]

1. I mean no offence but if you need me to quote when you were rude to Mr Evans you need lessons civility.

You're the one who's saying I've been rude to Ghevans, where I've only been asking some questions. Some critical questions maybe, which he might not like to hear, but is still about a serious issue. I've been pretty damn polite as well.

So you show me exactly where I was impolite towards Ghevans. Quote the relevant sentences which I'm sure won't be hard for you, since you are so insistent that I've been rude.

Just show me the quotes.

2. What happens when you watch it and enjoy it? Will you buy it then? What if extended version is not released with English subtitles? Will you support the film and purchase the international version?

If someone releases Goodfellas with 20 minutes cut, or Groundhog Day with 10 minutes cut... it should still be possible to 'enjoy' it. Doesn't mean I'm going to support a cut version.

And what if in 5 years time there WILL be an uncut release? Will I be able to trade the cut release at the store, pay 2 bucks extra, so I can finally have the complete movie!?

I'm not buying cut movies. I don't buy censored or dub-only movies or games. And I'm a damn patient guy.

They want my money? Fine. Just release the movie in the proper state, instead of releasing an incomplete version.

3. I couldn't disagree more. Under your theory Ong Bak wouldn't have been released in the Western world and the only way to see the film was through imported versions without English subtitles. While you may have hated the alterations in music soundtrack I quite frankly think the UK version is fantastic and think it's an excellent example of Western publishers treating Asian movies well. In addition while you're grumbling about Merantau(or "cut" films in general) I think it's a very good release. I think it would be a crying shame for a film like this and many others not to be released by Western publishers, denying many people the opportunity to see such a film. Not everybody imports. Even on this forum there are many people from the US that only purchase US discs. And unlike the US in the UK you cannot legally going to a shop and pick up a foreign import in the shops.

First of all, if there hadn't been a western publisher for Ong-Bak, there would have been an extremely big chance that the Thai release would have just had english subs. They weren't included because obviously the western publishers didn't want to run the risk of people importing the (uncut and better) thai version instead of buying the fucked up western version.

Also, if the thai release wouldn't have had the english subs, there would have been a huge chance that the HK release would have been the proper cut with english subs.

However, now HK isalso stuck with the butchered western release.

Now, YOU might really like the UK version. That's fine. Lucky you. I don't. In fact, I thought the new soundtrack was horrible and unneccesary. And according to pretty much everyone, the USA/Luc Besson/French cut, is butchered even worse...

You're right. Not everybody imports. But I sure as hell am going to warn my friends and people of fora I visit, about what version they would be buying, and if it's an incomplete version, I just give them my personaly opinion that I wouldn't support. If they DO, well, that's fine by me. That's their choice, but they should KNOW about it at least.

As someone else here also already mentioned: When you find out later that you spent money on a butchered version, and you were purposely DENIED the superiour version, you feel ripped off. And as I mentioned before, there should be a customer-rights law which states that the sleeve of a DVD/BR should clearly inform the customer as to what cut exactly they'll be purchasing (or not).

[blue_skies]

Yi Long While you might be sharing your opinion with people here, friends, family and others. You're sharing an opinion without any real information.

1. You've never seen the international cut. which in the end you may prefer.

2. You've never seen the director's cut as released in Indonesia, so don't know it's superior. Its speculation on your part.

3. The director said that the international cut was better responded to by test audience's than the longer cut.

4. While many people here would like to see the longer cut or at least the international cut with the additional fight sequence. Few if any feel like they have been ripped off having purchased the DVD/Blu ray/rented Merantau.

5. While you're expressing your opinion trying to dissuade people from spending money buying Merantau are you giving them both sides of the story, that many martial-arts fans from this forum and many others think Merantau is a very good martial-arts movie... And some even considerate to be one of the best of the year or even last few years?

6. While you're doing your damnedest to persuade people not to buy are you telling them that there in all likelihood won't be an alternative Western release to see the longer cut. And most probably denying themselves the opportunity to see a top martial-arts film just because you can't see the version you want to see.

7. Given how few truly good martial-arts films that are released each year and how much effort you've gone on to bemoan seeing a butchered version of the film (as you describe it). You're quite happy to watch it even more butchered on television cut up with advert breaks.

[blue_skies]

If someone releases Goodfellas with 20 minutes cut, or Groundhog Day with 10 minutes cut... it should still be possible to 'enjoy' it. Doesn't mean I'm going to support a cut version.




1. so what you're saying is even if you enjoy the international cut and an extended version is not released with English subtitles you will not support the film and buy the International version of Merantau?

2. What if you buy the extended version with subtitles if it gets released on DVD in Indonesia, watch it and think the international version is better. Do you then buy the International version?



You're the one who's saying I've been rude to Ghevans, where I've only been asking some questions. Some critical questions maybe, which he might not like to hear, but is still about a serious issue. I've been pretty damn polite as well.

So you show me exactly where I was impolite towards Ghevans. Quote the relevant sentences which I'm sure won't be hard for you, since you are so insistent that I've been rude.

Just show me the quotes.

There's nothing wrong with asking questions , it's the way you asked them and talk to people. As I said before I mean no offence to you but if you can't see from reading back your own posts then you need some lessons in civility. I wasn't the only one who thinks you were rude.

[Yi-Long]

Yi Long While you might be sharing your opinion with people here, friends, family and others. You're sharing an opinion without any real information.

1. You've never seen the international cut. which in the end you may prefer.


Doesn't matter. It's the principle that counts, and that says I'm not buying an incomplete movie.

I might prefer to look at the Mona Lisa if someone painted over it with Shakira's face plus some sexy naked boobs, and maybe everyone else would think it's an improvement as well. Doesn't mean they should be doing that or that I'd condone it...

2. You've never seen the director's cut as released in Indonesia, so don't know it's superior. Its speculation on your part.

I agree it's speculation, but it's based on hundreds, if not more, examples of other asian movies which have been 'cut up' and 'butchered' for a 'western audience', and the fact that hardly any of those movies is 1 bit better in their cut form, and most people seem to prefer the original versions of those movies.

If the reception to the indonesian cut was generaly very positive.... why the need to cut it up anyway? I know Ghevans explained, and like I said, I can partly understand their motivations and fears... but that certainly doesn't mean I agree with it.

3. The director said that the international cut was better responded to by test audience's than the longer cut.

Actually, I believe he said there were SOME detractors of the indonesian cut who complained about the slow build up, while others embraced the movie very positively.

On the other hand, you've already heard here on this forum that some people 'complained' about 1 fight being cut out, plus some other build-up stuff... also from people who watched that indonesian cut or the deleted scenes, and thus were slightly disappointed with the new cut.

4. While many people here would like to see the longer cut or at least the international cut with the additional fight sequence. Few if any feel like they have been ripped off having purchased the DVD/Blu ray/rented Merantau.

Maybe. maybe not. But the people here are informed and thus know which cut they're buying. Most people aren't informed, and once they find out they've paid money for an incomplete release, many of them DO kinda feel ripped off. Wasn't it Daisho who said so about his Good, Bad and Crazy purchase!?

5. While you're expressing your opinion trying to dissuade people from spending money buying Merantau are you giving them both sides of the story, that many martial-arts fans from this forum and many others think Merantau is a very good martial-arts movie... And some even considerate to be one of the best of the year or even last few years?

Ow, like I've said before, I'm sure it's a great martial arts flick, and everything I've seen about it, is great. However, if the subject of the western release comes up, I won't just tell people it's supposedly a great movie, but also that it's been cut quite a bit, and they might want to wait till a better release comes around, or it drops in price, or they can first borrow it from a friend, or whatever...

The fact that it is a great movie is all the more reason it should never have been cut in the first place btw.


6. While you're doing your damnedest to persuade people not to buy are you telling them that there in all likelihood won't be an alternative Western release to see the longer cut. And most probably denying themselves the opportunity to see a top martial-arts film just because you can't see the version you want to see.

I'm just informing them that they'd be buying a cut version. Some people care about that stuff, and others don't. That's their decision and they're perfectly capable of making up their own mind about buying it or not.

I'm looking at this from this viewpoint: As a customer, I'd want to be informed about what cut I'd be purchasing. And according to most people on most fora, it seems there are many people who feel the same way. Just look at the discussion about a couple of frames being cut from The Dark Knight. People don't like it. The remember certain stuff from the cinema and when it's not on the final disc, they feel cheated. So people are informing eachother about that, so everyone can make an informed decision for themselves.

7. Given how few truly good martial-arts films that are released each year and how much effort you've gone on to bemoan seeing a butchered version of the film (as you describe it). You're quite happy to watch it even more butchered on television cut up with advert breaks.

Maybe, but at least I won't be paying for an incomplete movie and thus supporting such practices.

[Yi-Long]

1. so what you're saying is even if you enjoy the international cut and an extended version is not released with English subtitles you will not support the film and buy the International version of Merantau?

That's exactly what I'm saying (glad you caught on btw...).

2. What if you buy the extended version with subtitles if it gets released on DVD in Indonesia, watch it and think the international version is better. Do you then buy the International version?

Nope. I'd stick with the complete original version. That's the way the movie was intended originally.

There's nothing wrong with asking questions , it's the way you asked them and talk to people. As I said before I mean no offence to you but if you can't see from reading back your own posts then you need some lessons in civility. I wasn't the only one who thinks you were rude.

You said I was being rude to Ghevans.

I haven't.

I've been 'rude' to some other people here, although generally as a response to rudeness and blatant dumbness from them frst, which makes me have to repeat myself much too often.
And btw, I'm not repeating myself because I like to repeat myself. I repeat myself because some of you guys can't manage comprehensive reading, and I'm kind enough to go through all the extra effort as to slowly explain it to you again. And again. And again.

I've been talking to Ghevans in exactly the same manner as I do to pretty anyone else around here on this forum. Not sure why that's suddenly considered 'rude', but personally I'd be much more of an ass if I'd suddenly change my complete personality just to suck up to 1 guy who made a great movie.

I've asked Ghevans the questions I as a fan and boardmember and potential consumer am interested in knowing the answers to. Plus I've expressed my personal opinion on the matter of 'international cuts', which I've always done in the same fashion.

Which WE have always done.

Which brings me to pretty much the whole issue of this 'rude' discussion. You're a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

For many MANY MANYYYYYYYYYY years now, we're ALL been complaining about the piss-poor treatment of asian cinema by western distibutors. Everytime another movie got cut to bits for 'the western audience', we're ALL been upset and we all felt those responsible shoudn't be in this business, that we shouldn't be supporting this shit, that we should inform those about the cuts and different versions available. Etc etc.

Basically, we pretty much all agreed about what we want, what we don't want, and how we all feel about it and how we should/could 'fight' it.

Am I wrong?

So, when the director of a great asian movie drops by, and we are never going to be given the opportunity to watch it in the original cut because some western distributors feel character building and such 'is just not our thing', I could do two things.

1: I could ask the questions I'm interested in knowing the anwers to, and Mr. Evans has been kind enough to share his views on the matter and answer my questions.

2: I could suddenly pretend it's all not a big deal, suck up to Mr. Evans, tell him I love the movie, tell him it's perfectly fine that we're being denied the complete movie, and attack everyone who dares to ask some questions about it, just so he knows I've got his back!

I went for option 1. It's clear as to which option some of you guys chose...

[daisho2004]

Maybe. maybe not. But the people here are informed and thus know which cut they're buying. Most people aren't informed, and once they find out they've paid money for an incomplete release, many of them DO kinda feel ripped off. Wasn't it Daisho who said so about his Good, Bad and Crazy purchase!?

Yes it was me who complained about The Good, The Bad ,& The Weird being cut up! And I'm still pissed off at that! That is why I see your point and I don't disagree with you Yi-Long I only disagree with you on not seeing the movie at all even if it is cut up. Listen nobody wants to see scenes cut out, but is that going to stop most everyone on here from seeing this movie whether they get it from overseas or not. Almost all my Asian movies are from overseas, yes I hate to double dip on the same movie, but if I really want to see a movie I'm not going to wait for almost a year or longer for it, to be hopefully be released in the US but when it gets a legit release with hopefully better quality, I'll buy it once it comes to the US. I had OngBak 6 months b4 anyone in the states even knew anything about this movie, and I turned a lot of my friends onto Tony Jaa, they were amazed at him as I was also. Listen I respect how you feel, I like to rant and rave also, that is why you got to love this forum we get to hear everyone's point of view. I guess some people think you get a little carried away, but hey I'm doing the same with my movie also, I want the legit uncut release and more so because I bought the damn thing on BR and I agree it should have both versions on it, let us decide which version is better. People who watched it feel cheated on the end and they have a right to. With Merantau when you see the deleted scene I do wish it was left in the movie and Mr. Evans even stated that he loved that scene as well, because it did tie into the film. But he explained why he left it out, to bad though it was a great scene.

[blue_skies]

I think everything has been covered. I await news of when Yi Long gets his unedited DVD!:bigsmile:

[blue_skies]

Yeah we get Yi-long's point he doesn't need to repeat himself a thousand more times. I wouldn't hold my breath for some unedited cut, in the meantime I'd rather make use of my time instead of waste it waiting around for uncut versions. Yi-Long claims to be a fan of these movies but he doesn't want to bother with a theatrical cut so he must not be very interested in these movies to begin with.


I agree with all of what you said Dragon sword completely especially the highlighted part. Given how few quality martial-arts films are released each year I really couldn't wait to see the film and wasn't disappointed in the slightest. The thing is lots of these films not just martial-arts films go on the festival circuit and get edited. Sometimes it's just part of the film-making process. I just find it funny he would rather watch it on television cut up with advertising than even pay to watch it as a rental! I have very little money to spend on DVDs any more but if I was passionate enough to want to buy the longer cut, I would sure as hell want to see the shorter cut at my earliest opportunity, and renting it. Anyway I'm not gonna argue with him any longer, what can you say to someone that would actually continue to watch the longer version of the film even if he preferred the international version. that's beyond stubborn. I'd watch whichever version was the most enjoyable!

[Yi-Long]

I agree with all of what you said Dragon sword completely especially the highlighted part. Given how few quality martial-arts films are released each year I really couldn't wait to see the film and wasn't disappointed in the slightest. The thing is lots of these films not just martial-arts films go on the festival circuit and get edited. Sometimes it's just part of the film-making process. I just find it funny he would rather watch it on television cut up with advertising than even pay to watch it as a rental! I have very little money to spend on DVDs any more but if I was passionate enough to want to buy the longer cut, I would sure as hell want to see the shorter cut at my earliest opportunity, and renting it. Anyway I'm not gonna argue with him any longer, what can you say to someone that would actually continue to watch the longer version of the film even if he preferred the international version. that's beyond stubborn. I'd watch whichever version was the most enjoyable!

Once again, your lack of comprehensive reading is stunning.

First of all, I said I would stick with the international version. I wouldn't buy the cut version. That's because it's about the principle, which I've explained time and time and time again. I wouldn't financially support a cut movie, or a censored game, or whatever else I disagree with.

I'm sure if I love the 'international' cut, I'd like the longer cut as well. Maybe slightly less than the 'international cut' (although given the piss-poor trackrecord for butchered asian movies actually being better than the original version, I'd doubt it...).

Second of all, I said I could always check it out when it was ever shown on TV, or if I could borrow it from a friend who has it.

You are stating I prefer to watch my movies cut up and interrupted by commercials.
Here's a shocker for you, but not all TV-stations interrupt movies for commercials. If the BBC buys it so they can show it on BBC3 or BBC4, I will get to watch it without commercials. If the Dutch public network buys it: no commercials. If the Belgian public networks buys the rights: no commercials.
If I borrow it from a friend: No commercials.

If it gets shown on one of commercial networks here in Holland, it would have commercials, but TBH I don't really mind them anyways.

I certainly don't mind it enough that I would buy an incomplete movie and support the publisher for denying me the original version.

BTW, I like how you get upset about commercials during a movie, yet you're perfectly fine with 20+ minutes getting cut out ...(!)

[Yi-Long]

Yeah we get Yi-long's point he doesn't need to repeat himself a thousand more times. I wouldn't hold my breath for some unedited cut, in the meantime I'd rather make use of my time instead of waste it waiting around for uncut versions. Yi-Long claims to be a fan of these movies but he doesn't want to bother with a theatrical cut so he must not be very interested in these movies to begin with.

I am a fan, although certainly not as knowledgable nor dedicated as many others here are, but I also have some principles.

One of them being that the treatment of asian cinema and it's fans has been absolutely awful forever, and I certainly am not going to reward that shit by giving those responsible any of my money.

Do I want to see this movie? Ofcourse! Everything I've seen and read about it, is extremely positive. Am I going to step over my own principles so I can watch it in an incomplete form? No I'm not. Others will. That's fine.
Just don't pretend you're 'supporting' the industry, and next time we get fucked over again with a cut release of a great movie, don't bother complaining here over it, cause you're part of the problem.

So yeah, I very much want to see this movie, and it certainly would have been nice if Ghevans and the publishers would have made sure that I would have gotten that chance by just releasing the movie here in it's original form.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

Wow, this thread is gettin serious like Monkey Fist vs Eagle's Claw serious, LOL... For the past week or so, I have enjoyed Yi-Long and DragonSword's witty banter at one another.. Will this thread go for 30 more pages, let's hope so, LOL...

[blue_skies]

Once again, your lack of comprehensive reading is stunning.

First of all, I said I would stick with the international version. I wouldn't buy the cut version. That's because it's about the principle, which I've explained time and time and time again. I wouldn't financially support a cut movie, or a censored game, or whatever else I disagree with.

I'm sure if I love the 'international' cut, I'd like the longer cut as well. Maybe slightly less than the 'international cut' (although given the piss-poor trackrecord for butchered asian movies actually being better than the original version, I'd doubt it...).

Second of all, I said I could always check it out when it was ever shown on TV, or if I could borrow it from a friend who has it.

You are stating I prefer to watch my movies cut up and interrupted by commercials.
Here's a shocker for you, but not all TV-stations interrupt movies for commercials. If the BBC buys it so they can show it on BBC3 or BBC4, I will get to watch it without commercials. If the Dutch public network buys it: no commercials. If the Belgian public networks buys the rights: no commercials.
If I borrow it from a friend: No commercials.

If it gets shown on one of commercial networks here in Holland, it would have commercials, but TBH I don't really mind them anyways.

I certainly don't mind it enough that I would buy an incomplete movie and support the publisher for denying me the original version.

BTW, I like how you get upset about commercials during a movie, yet you're perfectly fine with 20+ minutes getting cut out ...(!)

I absolutely hate commercials as they certainly are more offensive to ruining the films flow than watching the film edited by its director to minimise its editing.

Maybe you're lucky enough to watch the film in Holland/Belgium with no commercials. It still says nothing about your love for martial-arts Cinema that you would happily wait rather than paying for a rental fee.I have little money but would certainly not wait for free TV to show it. I would certainly call it bullshit for you to say it will appear on BBC 3/BBC 4 because the odds are between slim and none in Merantau being shown on those channels. It's far more likely that that the 4 hour Japanese film that you mentioned earlier in the thread would appear on BBC 4 than Merantau one either BBC channels.

Anyway as you have said you would happily watch it with commercials rather than watching the international cut without. I think you have lost any ground whatsoever.

Whatever you say the fact is that people who were buying DVDs are supported and whatever you say you are not supporting the industry.

Just out of curiosity...

Are you at least sending e-mails complaining to the various distributors in Holland/US/UK about Merantau ?

[blue_skies]

Please end the personal insults.

[Yi-Long]

I absolutely hate commercials as they certainly are more offensive to ruining the films flow than watching the film edited by its director to minimise its editing.

Maybe you're lucky enough to watch the film in Holland/Belgium with no commercials. It still says nothing about your love for martial-arts Cinema that you would happily wait rather than paying for a rental fee.I have little money but would certainly not wait for free TV to show it. I would certainly call it bullshit for you to say it will appear on BBC 3/BBC 4 because the odds are between slim and none in Merantau being shown on those channels. It's far more likely that that the 4 hour Japanese film that you mentioned earlier in the thread would appear on BBC 4 than Merantau one either BBC channels.

Anyway as you have said you would happily watch it with commercials rather than watching the international cut without. I think you have lost any ground whatsoever.


Considering I told you it's about the principle of not supporting a butchered release, I don't think I have. I rather watch it with commercials and have a clear conscience, instead of paying any money for it just to satisfy my personal graving for some martial arts action.

Also, if I want to see an incomplete action movie, I might as well go onto youtube and watch the fight-scenes there. I'm sure I'd 'enjoy' that as well.

Whatever you say the fact is that people who were buying DVDs are supported and whatever you say you are not supporting the industry.

I'm still buying movies (and games) that ARE getting a proper uncut release. That's how I send a message to the industry that there IS a market for these asian movies in their original form.


Just out of curiosity...

Are you at least sending e-mails complaining to the various distributors in Holland/US/UK about Merantau ?
Years ago with the whole Shaolin Soccer thing and all the other bullshit with dubbed cut up asian movies, I think I tried a couple of times to write them. I don't believe they ever bothered with a reply, or at least not any memorable ones.

In Holland, I just go on the most visited fora and inform everyone there which version they'd be buying, plus when those responsible show up in the comment-section or thread, I'll ask them questions about it.

Let's say Dutch Filmworks is releasing an asian movie. Ofcourse, it's the cut western cut. You'll see a comment from me underneath the review stating it's the cut inferiour release (it usually is inferiour btw), and telling the people where they can import the uncut version.

When there's a release-announcement, I'll be asking in the comments which cut we'll be getting, and if it's the cut version, I'll ask why that is. For example Hero. It's being released on BR so I'd ask why we (once again) aren't getting the director's cut.

So yeah, instead of writing a letter to a distributor, where I don't get an answer, I rather just inform people about what they'd be buying and what their options are if there are uncut releases available elsewhere.

Distributors just delete my e-mail. They don't care. But when my comments are underneath an article or a review that gets read by thousands of people who are interested in the movie, then maybe they'll notice. Also because usually people don't attack me over it, but agree that they don't want a butchered, incomplete, inferior version.

Please end the personal insults.

Can we still make death treats? It makes me feel manly.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

@Yi-Long, You and I need to go to a Coffee Shop, smoke up a bowl and eat some space brownies.... Is that tempting enough??

[ekisha]

Ok, Yi-Long, Have you ever seen Eastern Condors?

[kunderemp]

Wow, I can't believe I register only to answer this.

Actually, I believe he said there were SOME detractors of the indonesian cut who complained about the slow build up, while others embraced the movie very positively.

On the other hand, you've already heard here on this forum that some people 'complained' about 1 fight being cut out, plus some other build-up stuff... also from people who watched that indonesian cut or the deleted scenes, and thus were slightly disappointed with the new cut.


Yi Long, you misunderstood GHEvans word. Those people who embraced the Indonesian version and the people who suggest Evans to cut the movie for international are mostly the same people, not two different-mutually-exclusive group. Believe me. I'm Indonesian and I saw the same response from different Indonesian forum. Only few people love the detail and that because the came from West Sumatra. They want to see their hometown longer and their language spoken (most of the deleted scenes used 'Minang Language' compared to 'Indonesian Language')

I've seen both cuts and discuss with friend who also see both version and we prefer the International cut. Only one scene we regret for being cut from International version.

I've listed the scenes being cut in imdb : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1368116/board/nest/159142076?d=159567803&p=1#159567803

Unless you were so interested to Indonesian culture, you probably don't care about those deleted scenes at all (except that job interview scene).


If you really want to see the indonesian cut so bad, you can

1. go to Indonesia and find the DVD, or

2. ask Indonesian friend to go to their home town and buy the DVD for you.

I warn you, however, that Indonesian version DVD:

1. is Region 3 if I'm not mistaken, and
2. has no english subtitle. Only Indonesian subtitle on the track.

Most of the illegal copies available on the net came from International version before Indonesian release date.

Personally, I prefer Merantau DVD to be like Ong Bak DVD when it released by Madman Entertainment a few years ago. It has two-disc, one is international, the other one is Thailand full version.

[KUNG FU BOB]

Wow, I can't believe I register only to answer this.

Kunderemp, thanks for sharing that info with us! I'd guess that he'll appreciate the info, but doubt that your answer will please Yi Long though. He's made it clear that he would like to be the judge himself on whether it's better cut or not.

Anyway, welcome to the forum, and hope you stick around now that you're here. :bigsmile:

[Yi-Long]

@Yi-Long, You and I need to go to a Coffee Shop, smoke up a bowl and eat some space brownies.... Is that tempting enough??

The chances of that ever happening are pretty damn slim, Jim... :wink:

Ok, Yi-Long, Have you ever seen Eastern Condors?
Yes I have. Decent movie. Slightly cut? Yeah. Did I know when I bought it? Don't believe I did. Would I have preferred the longer cut? Kinda depends on what the original version was. Kinda the same discussion as we've had about Fist of Legend and the longer cut I know and loved, but which still isn't available, and many here seem to be unclear about which version is actually the original/best release.


Wow, I can't believe I register only to answer this.

Yi Long, you misunderstood GHEvans word. Those people who embraced the Indonesian version and the people who suggest Evans to cut the movie for international are mostly the same people, not two different-mutually-exclusive group. Believe me. I'm Indonesian and I saw the same response from different Indonesian forum. Only few people love the detail and that because the came from West Sumatra. They want to see their hometown longer and their language spoken (most of the deleted scenes used 'Minang Language' compared to 'Indonesian Language')

I've seen both cuts and discuss with friend who also see both version and we prefer the International cut. Only one scene we regret for being cut from International version.

I've listed the scenes being cut in imdb : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1368116/board/nest/159142076?d=159567803&p=1#159567803

Unless you were so interested to Indonesian culture, you probably don't care about those deleted scenes at all (except that job interview scene).


If you really want to see the indonesian cut so bad, you can

1. go to Indonesia and find the DVD, or

2. ask Indonesian friend to go to their home town and buy the DVD for you.

I warn you, however, that Indonesian version DVD:

1. is Region 3 if I'm not mistaken, and
2. has no english subtitle. Only Indonesian subtitle on the track.

Most of the illegal copies available on the net came from International version before Indonesian release date.

Personally, I prefer Merantau DVD to be like Ong Bak DVD when it released by Madman Entertainment a few years ago. It has two-disc, one is international, the other one is Thailand full version.

Welcome to the boards, Kunderemp.

I understand your opinion, however, like Bob already mentioned, I dislike the fact that that decision is being forced upon me.

I'll give an example.

Was Titanic received positively? Yeah... hundreds of millions of people around the world LOVED it. Among those hundreds of millions, were there also detractors? Ofcourse. Some felt the build-up was too long, too slow.

... now... does that mean the publisher should only release a cut/shortened version Titanic on DVD/BR? 90-100 minutes, instead of 3 hours? Would everyone prefer that?

Personally, and I might be nuts, I kinda doubt it.

Listen, you are always going to have 'detractors', even when they are in the group that loved the movie.

A movie is seldom perfect. My favourite movie is Days of Being Wild. Many detractors have asked:" what the hell is Tony Leung doing in the final scene? It makes no sense". Now... would I miss anything vital if they'd cut that scene from the international version? Probably not. Would I enjoy the movie less? Probably not. Would I be okay with them denying me that scene when it's part of the movie? Hell NO! It's part of the movie.

As you also mentioned, the best option would be to just release both cuts. If this truly is one of the best martial arts movies of the decade, as many are claiming, there WILL be a market for the longer cut (although I think at this point it needs more and better word of mouth, and I won't be the one spreading it when it's only the cut version...).

There's a crazy long list of fantastic asian movies that we in the west still haven't been able to enjoy in the original uncut version. When history repeats itself over and over again, and the director who's partly responsible/involved with the latest case of giving us an 'international cut', I AM going to ask questions about it. :angel:

[daisho2004]

In my opinion, the International version was better because it was shorter and had less talk on it but it lost the 'job interview' scene where Eric exhibited his capabilities of defeating someone in short time.

The scenes being cut were 1) Yuda's life in Sumatra where he had crush on a girl and being ridiculed by his brother for being not serious on working in the farm; 2) ceremony or ritual from his village celebrating Yuda's would be Merantau journey; 3) Yuda's attempt to teach Adit (the kid) the philosophy of Silat; 4) the job interview scene, in which on this scene, Eric invited Yuda to recruitment center when he found Yuda hadn't found any job yet.


kunderemp: Great post with the link you provided, and I think the only scene I really missed being cut out was the Job interview, as I have stated that is a great scene and Mr. Evans even stated he didn't want to have that scene cutout either.

BTW: Welcome to the Forum.

[ekisha]

Yes I have. Decent movie. Slightly cut? Yeah. Did I know when I bought it? Don't believe I did. Would I have preferred the longer cut? Kinda depends on what the original version was. Kinda the same discussion as we've had about Fist of Legend and the longer cut I know and loved, but which still isn't available, and many here seem to be unclear about which version is actually the original/best release.

I wouldn't call it slightly cut.

The reason why i bring this out is the situation is real close to Merantau. Sammo made his movie and then GH executives thought it's too long so it was a cut. As a result the whole world saw this butchered version. What was cut is pretty same like in this case. Mostly character development stuff. Now 25 years passed since Eastern Condors was made and no word on director's cut. What i am afraid you might lose quarter of a century looking for the right version and not see it in your life. Most of us would like to see the director's cut of some movies but it doesn't mean we have to pass the chance watching the standard version.

[Yi-Long]

I wouldn't call it slightly cut.

The reason why i bring this out is the situation is real close to Merantau. Sammo made his movie and then GH executives thought it's too long so it was a cut. As a result the whole world saw this butchered version. What was cut is pretty same like in this case. Mostly character development stuff. Now 25 years passed since Eastern Condors was made and no word on director's cut. What i am afraid you might lose quarter of a century looking for the right version and not see it in your life. Most of us would like to see the director's cut of some movies but it doesn't mean we have to pass the chance watching the standard version.

Not really the same. Merentau has already been released for the indonesian audience uncut. They will also get the DVD UNCUT.

The distributors are making the decision to butcher it for the 'international audience', unlike Eastern Condors, which was butchered for everyone, including the HK audience.

Obviously, I disagree with both cases.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

The chances of that ever happening are pretty damn slim, Jim... :wink:


A small percentage, there's still hope, YES!!!!!!:bigsmile:

[KUNG FU BOB]

I wouldn't call it slightly cut.

The reason why i bring this out is the situation is real close to Merantau. Sammo made his movie and then GH executives thought it's too long so it was a cut. As a result the whole world saw this butchered version. What was cut is pretty same like in this case. Mostly character development stuff. Now 25 years passed since Eastern Condors was made and no word on director's cut. What i am afraid you might lose quarter of a century looking for the right version and not see it in your life. Most of us would like to see the director's cut of some movies but it doesn't mean we have to pass the chance watching the standard version.

Ah yes. This is something I still long to see. On the original Hong Kong DVD I bought they have a long trailer that shows many scenes that were not in the film. :squigglemouth: I guess I'll always be on the lookout for this film uncut. But knowing how things were commonly handled in HK, that footage was probably snipped and thrown away. :sad:

[Yi-Long]

A small percentage, there's still hope, YES!!!!!!:bigsmile:

The chance of me going over to Dragon Sword's trailerpark and calling him 'a problem' to his face, is considerably larger... :xd:

[ekisha]

Not really the same. Merentau has already been released for the indonesian audience uncut. They will also get the DVD UNCUT.

The distributors are making the decision to butcher it for the 'international audience', unlike Eastern Condors, which was butchered for everyone, including the HK audience.

Obviously, I disagree with both cases.

If i am not wrong that version was released in Taiwan. Besides, Golden Harvest was the distributor for that film. The test audience thought that version was too long and boring.
They made the decision not Sammo. I am sure he wouldn't shoot that long scene if he didn't intended to release as the standard edition. The same thing happened with Merantau. You may disagree if you wish but i think it's like that, nothing complicated.

[Yi-Long]

If i am not wrong that version was released in Taiwan. Besides, Golden Harvest was the distributor for that film. The test audience thought that version was too long and boring.
They made the decision not Sammo. I am sure he wouldn't shoot that long scene if he didn't intended to release as the standard edition. The same thing happened with Merantau. You may disagree if you wish but i think it's like that, nothing complicated.

All the more reason that right now we need to voice up and hopefully make sure that that kinda crap won't be happening with this movie, with future generations also never being given the chance to watch the uncut original version.

But like I said, the indonesian audience at least still has the uncut version.

[thehangman]

Dam id love to see a longer version of Eastern condors that would be awesome

[daisho2004]

I'm sure we can all agree when they release a DVD of any movie we should have both versions on it, and it should be up to us to decide which one you want to see. I know I hate to double-dip on movies. But again its just a matter of making more money off of us!

[blue_skies]

Yi long, hey mate if you feel so strongly contact the distributor's personally. Okay they won't answer but at least you're getting your feelings known. Nobody important is going to read what you think on this forum.

I know how you feel I've contacted dragon dynasty and Cine Asia about the legend of Fong Sai Yuk 2 a few times... Got answers from Cine Asia but there's nothing on the horizon.:frown:

[Yi-Long]

Yi long, hey mate if you feel so strongly contact the distributor's personally. Okay they won't answer but at least you're getting your feelings known. Nobody important is going to read what you think on this forum.

I know how you feel I've contacted dragon dynasty and Cine Asia about the legend of Fong Sai Yuk 2 a few times... Got answers from Cine Asia but there's nothing on the horizon.:frown:

As I explained before, I've tried that in the past and it seems a bit useless.

When I comment on review-sites and fora and inform the community about what chopped up version they'd be buying, and informing them about the possible alternatives, I'm reaching a whole lot more people, who will hopefully vote with their wallet.

And like I said, in Holland you see people from the companies who release these cut movies reply in the comments at times, so yeah, then they DO take note.

[blue_skies]

£1.99 @ Amazon UK :tongue:

[Yi-Long]

£1.99 @ Amazon UK :tongue:

That's stunningly cheap. Sadly, I still won't be buying it due to it being cut. Principles and such. Sadly.

[Yi-Long]

Your loss. You fight a war you will never win.:cry:

Maybe, but at least I won't be guilty of being part of the problem. I'm not responsible for any warcrimes.

[Yi-Long]

I may be part of your problem...not my problem...We don't live forever so enjoy while you can before your eyes go blind.:cry:

I agree life's too short, which is why we should fight these battles when we can and hope publishers will take note of our wishes and change their ways, giving us the movies the way we want them, instead of how they THINK we should want them.

Do I think 'we will win this war'!? Realistically? No. Cause you'll always have stupid people making these kind of stupid decisions, and you'll always have stupid or simply uninformed people picking up these butchered incomplete releases. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna stop trying. And it certainly doesn't mean I am going to waste any of my money on these releases, which would just 'feed' the problem even more.

I know I probably can never solve the problem, but I certainly don't want to be part of it either.

Also, I'm glad Gary was here in the discussion before and explained stuff and has expressed his intention to do better with the next release, so maybe in that small way it did help a bit. Although we will have to wait and see ofcourse.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

Man, I was hoping for you guys to tear into each other... I'm a bit sad, :(

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

And I was hoping for you to get a life Opiumcracker.

Well, there is hope...

[Yi-Long]

Man, I was hoping for you guys to tear into each other... I'm a bit sad, :(

Last time we did that, Dragon Sword got banned... :wink:

Not on my account btw. I'm not easily offended.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

He got banned before?? Damn, that's crazy!!!! I wouldn't want to see him get banned again, he's one of my favorite posters, his post in the Spike Lee thread is golden....

[Yi-Long]

He got banned before?? Damn, that's crazy!!!! I wouldn't want to see him get banned again, he's one of my favorite posters, his post in the Spike Lee thread is golden....

I believe it was Dragon Sword. I don't really keep track of all the people who openly threaten to cut my throat though, so I could be mistaking him for someone else...:xd:

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

I believe it was Dragon Sword. I don't really keep track of all the people who openly threaten to cut my throat though, so I could be mistaking him for someone else...:xd:

Hahahhahahahaha...

[Yi-Long]

Yes ...yes you are Yi...You just don't like loosing.:cry:

Oh, I hate losing. The last time I lost it was many years ago, and it was awful.

I believe it was when I lost my virginity to your mother...

I still have nightmares.....

:xd:

[blue_skies]

Maybe, but at least I won't be guilty of being part of the problem. I'm not responsible for any warcrimes.

Part of the problem being that you show the distributors that there's an audience and a market to make money from? The same reason why films like this get released to make money. And without that money distributors and film-makers won't see the profitability of making these films let alone releasing them. I know you have your principles and apart from cutting your nose to spite your face. Your protest does nothing to benefit yourself or other martial-arts fans. apart from save yourself money.

I also think it's a crazy position that you would only a own a longer version of the film, even if you preferred the shorter "international cut" of a particular movie. Actually you've just reminded me of something you posted recently. Do you own ashes of time? Because under your principles you can only have been Redux version! I bet you bent your principles and own and watch the shorter theatrical version!

[Yi-Long]

Part of the problem being that you show the distributors that there's an audience and a market to make money from? The same reason why films like this get released to make money. And without that money distributors and film-makers won't see the profitability of making these films let alone releasing them. I know you have your principles and apart from cutting your nose to spite your face. Your protest does nothing to benefit yourself or other martial-arts fans. apart from save yourself money.

I also think it's a crazy position that you would only a own a longer version of the film, even if you preferred the shorter "international cut" of a particular movie. Actually you've just reminded me of something you posted recently. Do you own ashes of time? Because under your principles you can only have been Redux version! I bet you bent your principles and own and watch the shorter theatrical version!

I have Ashes of Time on VHS, not on DVD. The VHS version is the uncut version.
I'm not going near the Redux.

And as I mentioned before in this discussion: I'm not going to spend money on cut releases.

I also hope that publishers and moviemakers start realising that a part of their potential audience just isn't interested in buying an incomplete movie. I'm sure SOME of them browse forums and check out a bit of what the market is saying about their releases. If they see sad people like me bitching about these movies being cut and advising people to stay away from buying these incomplete releases, I hope that they keep that in mind the next time they decide to bring out an asian movie here and are considering butchering it...

Like I said, I don't expect to win 'the war', but that doesn't mean I can't stick to my principles and fight it anyway, in any way I can. That's what principles are sometimes about: fighting windmills.

Gary mentioned he'll try and make sure that his next movie will get the same release here in the west as it gets in Indonesia. That would be 1 little difference that hopefully has been accomplished. We might not win the war, but perhaps we can achieve to win a few small battles here or there...

...and buying an incomplete movie just fuels the problem, cause your money will justify their butchering.

If you want to see the (cut) movie, then just borrow it from a friend, or download it, or watch it on TV, or whatever. Just don't support it with your money, and spend that on those releases that ARE uncut. Once publishers see that uncut movies are selling better than butchered ones, they might get the hint.

But again, I'm just speaking for myself here. Everyone else can do what they want. Just don't complain about western publishers continuing to release fucked up incomplete movies when you are going to buy those releases anyway.

edit: I remember Miramax or Sony or whatever approached City on Fire and a bunch of other asian sites to advertise for their cut version of Shaolin Soccer. Instead, we put up a free advertising banner for the HK DVD of Shaolin Soccer, to advise visitors to the site to go for that version instead. A bunch of other asian sites followed our example (except Kung Fu Cult Cinema, who took the money and free poster or something).

Ah, those were good days.

[blue_skies]

I have Ashes of Time on VHS, not on DVD. The VHS version is the uncut version.
I'm not going near the Redux.

And as I mentioned before in this discussion: I'm not going to spend money on cut releases.

I also hope that publishers and moviemakers start realising that a part of their potential audience just isn't interested in buying an incomplete movie. I'm sure SOME of them browse forums and check out a bit of what the market is saying about their releases. If they see sad people like me bitching about these movies being cut and advising people to stay away from buying these incomplete releases, I hope that they keep that in mind the next time they decide to bring out an asian movie here and are considering butchering it...

Like I said, I don't expect to win 'the war', but that doesn't mean I can't stick to my principles and fight it anyway, in any way I can. That's what principles are sometimes about: fighting windmills.

Gary mentioned he'll try and make sure that his next movie will get the same release here in the west as it gets in Indonesia. That would be 1 little difference that hopefully has been accomplished. We might not win the war, but perhaps we can achieve to win a few small battles here or there...

...and buying an incomplete movie just fuels the problem, cause your money will justify their butchering.

If you want to see the (cut) movie, then just borrow it from a friend, or download it, or watch it on TV, or whatever. Just don't support it with your money, and spend that on those releases that ARE uncut. Once publishers see that uncut movies are selling better than butchered ones, they might get the hint.

But again, I'm just speaking for myself here. Everyone else can do what they want. Just don't complain about western publishers continuing to release fucked up incomplete movies when you are going to buy those releases anyway.

edit: I remember Miramax or Sony or whatever approached City on Fire and a bunch of other asian sites to advertise for their cut version of Shaolin Soccer. Instead, we put up a free advertising banner for the HK DVD of Shaolin Soccer, to advise visitors to the site to go for that version instead. A bunch of other asian sites followed our example (except Kung Fu Cult Cinema, who took the money and free poster or something).

Ah, those were good days.

I understand where you're coming from I just don't think it's going to help. It might be better if you can form a more organised campaign with lots of people complaining together, rather than in dribs and drabs. Show them that there's numbers and do so in a polite manner.

To be honest unless you're talking about substantial cuts to a movie or a release like the dragon dynasty Jet Li's The Enforcer without original language soundtrack, I'm just happy to get to watch a decent version of particular film on DVD. I don't really have any friends that would be likely to buy any martial-arts film to borrow from , downloading hasn't exactly gone well for my computer in the past, youtube or other full movie flash players will only sometimes be any good (the picture quality is usually so poor it puts me off watching it), and the likelihood of seeing any martial-arts films on standard British TV is extremely unlikely out side of a few recent Donnie Yen films, a bunch of dubbed Jet Li films, new English-speaking Jackie Chan films and a relentless tirade of Steven Seagal and Van Damme rubbish.

I have very little cash for movie purchases these days but any time I get a chance, I'm not going to deny myself the chance to see something like Merantau which in its current version is a very good film. Do I wish that the fight sequence that was cut out was in asserted? Yes. But when everything has been inserted that was removed from the Indonesian release, do I think it will be a better movie? I don't honestly think it will. The pacing is currently very good and the extra dramatic scenes might takeaway more than they actually add to the movie.

[Yi-Long]

I understand where you're coming from I just don't think it's going to help. It might be better if you can form a more organised campaign with lots of people complaining together, rather than in dribs and drabs. Show them that there's numbers and do so in a polite manner.

To be honest unless you're talking about substantial cuts to a movie or a release like the dragon dynasty Jet Li's The Enforcer without original language soundtrack, I'm just happy to get to watch a decent version of particular film on DVD. I don't really have any friends that would be likely to buy any martial-arts film to borrow from , downloading hasn't exactly gone well for my computer in the past, youtube or other full movie flash players will only sometimes be any good (the picture quality is usually so poor it puts me off watching it), and the likelihood of seeing any martial-arts films on standard British TV is extremely unlikely out side of a few recent Donnie Yen films, a bunch of dubbed Jet Li films, new English-speaking Jackie Chan films and a relentless tirade of Steven Seagal and Van Damme rubbish.

I have very little cash for movie purchases these days but any time I get a chance, I'm not going to deny myself the chance to see something like Merantau which in its current version is a very good film. Do I wish that the fight sequence that was cut out was in asserted? Yes. But when everything has been inserted that was removed from the Indonesian release, do I think it will be a better movie? I don't honestly think it will. The pacing is currently very good and the extra dramatic scenes might takeaway more than they actually add to the movie.

I can also understand where you are coming from, so if it's not a big issue to you, then obviously you should just buy it and enjoy it.

However, for me, thus strictly personal, I KNOW that stuff like missing scenes and such will just bother me alot while watching. I even have it when a movie is on TV and they've snipped a few scenes here or there for time-constraint or whatever. I just hate it. It also takes me out of the movie and it just stirs in my brain. I can't help it.

I'm not sure an 'organised' effort would really make a big difference. We could try it through EU regulation to force publishers to state which cut exactly they're selling. So when I come across an asian movie in the store, it should be made clear if it's uncut, or an 'international' version, or whatever. That way, many ignorent customers see it and will thus decide their decision on that knowledge that it's cut or not. Instead of just buying it and assuming it's the complete movie.

Other than that, like I said, whenever a review pops up for an asian movie, I check if it's uncut or not, and when I can I will warn others of a release in the comment-section below the review. I'm sure that will reach some interested buyers.

It will probably be a little while before my army of war-mongering pet-hamsters are ready to conquer this world and make me the ultimate worldleader, who will demolish scum like the Weinsteins and such butchering bastards, so for now, it's all I can do.

[blue_skies]

That was my mom's sisters friend and she told me she never had to use a magnifying glass and a straw just to get someone's junk out.

DS is that what you meant to say?:ooh:

[Reel Power Stunts]

Guys, please play nicely. You can insult each other through PMs if you must. Can we keep these forums friendly?