Invincible - Korea's A Better Tomorrow

[AlbertV]

A few years back, rumors swirled that a Korean remake to John Woo's A Better Tomorrow was being planned after film company Fingerprint bought the remake rights. Well, almost four years later, the remake is going in full swing.

The literal title is INVINCIBLE and will be helmed by Song Hae-Sung (FALLEN). Here's the cast who have officially signed on to the remake:

Song Seung-Heon will play the Chow Yun-Fat role.
Lee Gin-Mi will play the Leslie Cheung role.

The film will be shot in Thailand and a Japanese company will co-finance the film due to Song Seung-Heon's popularity there. Filming is set to begin in early 2010.

[bengs]

well, lets see what they can do with it. i heard about this idea a while back, so now its finally going to happen..

[bengs]

casting update on the project, from TWITCH

http://twitchfilm.net/news/2009/12/more-cast-details-on-korean-better-tomorrow-remake.php

MORE CAST DETAILS ON KOREAN BETTER TOMORROW REMAKE

Last word on 무적자 (Invincible), the Korean remake of John Woo's 英雄本色 (A Better Tomorrow), was that Song Hae-Sung of 파이란 (Failan) would direct, and that Korean Wave star Song Seung-Heon and possibly Lee Min-Gi would be cast as the leads. But now producers Fingerprint have finalized the cast, and I suppose the ladies will be pleased.

go to the link for the whole article

[DiP]

Trailer is up.

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[FeiLong]

the remake looks better

[daisho2004]

Been waiting to see this movie, hopefully it will be out soon.

[Charuto]

From the trailer, I don't see it touching the original. However, Koreans always show a propensity for violence even when the movie only calls for a little bit. Maybe I'll be surprised.

[haideng]

A very promising trailer ! But Song surely can't make the Mak Gor of Chow! But Joo Jin Moo's part ( played by old vet Ti Lung in the original) can be a surprise for us!

[One Armed Boxer]

The one sheet for this is out in Japan with a 19th February release date....

....there's an official Japanese website for the movie as well - http://banka2011.com/top.html

Interestingly it looks like, here in Japan at least, the name 'Invincible' has been dropped and they are using the name of the original 'A Better Tomorrow'.

[Karlos]

You'll have to let us know what you think if you see it, OAB!

I've noticed that a DVD rip of the film is all over the net - without english subtitles.

I found 2 reviews so far - both positive, which is a good sign.

[One Armed Boxer]

I just got through watching this at the local cinema so thought I`d share my thoughts.

I guess I should start by saying I watched the original `A Better Tomorrow` over 12 years ago back when I was first getting into the Asian action movie scene. Amazingly I`ve never given it a second viewing, which I believe I now should. John Woo`s movies have always been great as introductions to Asian cinema for the uninitiated, and the three movies I would always show my friends, sometimes back to back if there was a few six packs of beer involved, would be `Hard Boiled`, `The Killer`, & `A Better Tomorrow 2`.

When I watched the original, the names Chow Yun Fat, Leslie Cheung, & Ti Lung didn`t mean a lot to me. Of course now I consider them to be legends of Hong Kong cinema, & to watch them sharing the screen together would be a pleasure regardless what kind of movie it was...which is why I know I should re-visit `A Better Tomorrow`, because as it stands my memory of it is a movie which was for the most part a somewhat plodding melodrama brightened up with a few of Woo`s what would become his trademark action scenes, courtesy of the ever reliable Blacky Ko & Stephen Tung Wei.

Which brings me to the Korean re-make, instead of three of it`s countrys most charasmatic actors, we have Song Seung-heon in the role of Chow Yun Fat, Joo Jin-mo in the role of Ti Lung, & Kim Kang-woo in the role of Leslie Cheung. While all are servicable actors, they don`t bring that extra special something to the plate that the original performers and director did to actually make it rise above it`s melodramatic roots.

Add to that the Hong Kong original was done in the hey-day of 80`s action choreography, and had Blacky Ko & Stephen Tung Wei to add some great stunt work and grace to the bullet ballets...then the re-makes generic shoot outs are just that bit more dissapointing in their presentation.

Perhaps if the movie didn`t proclaim itself as a re-make, it could stand alone as a decent middle-of-the-road crime pic, such as `Eye For An Eye`, as the story does vary from the plot of the original considerably in some parts. However the problem is that just as you are starting to buy into this movies story, the film-makers suddenly need to remind us that it is indeed a re-make, so Song Seung-heon suddenly stops to put his shades on after a bloody shoot-out taken almost directly from Chow Yun Fat`s dramatic assassination scene in the original, which comes across just a little too much like "Hey, this guy is just like Mak Gor!", when in fact there`s realy no need for him to be.

Kim Kang-woo`s role is also considerably smaller than Leslie Cheung`s Kit character of the original. While Cheung managed to strike the balance well between Kit being quite vulnerable but also strong at the same time, Kim seems to play his character to extremes, being a tough as nails cop interrogating a subject at one point in the movie, and acting like a sobbing schoolgirl for most of the climax shootout which leaves you wanting to yell at the screen "stop crying and start shooting for Gods sake!".

** possible spoiler**

On a final note, it should be said the this Korean re-make is incredibly nilhistic in it`s ending. Whereas at the end of the original Leslie Cheung & Ti Lung survive to live another day and indeed, strive for `A Better Tomorrow`, in it`s Korean counterpart nobody is left surviving. Director Song Hae-seong goes completely Chang Cheh on the cast, stopping short of having Song Seung-hon come back on screen playing his own twin and getting shot to pieces as well, leaving nobody standing at the end, which makes the use of the original title seem a little ironic.

** end of spoiler **

All in all I would say it is worth a watch for fans of Korean cinema and gritty crime drama, but as a re-make of the original it simply doesn`t stand up, weighed down by a plodding mid-section that seems to be going nowhere for the longest time, it manages to somewhat redeem itself with it`s loyalty heavy (come on, it was produced by Woo so it was to be expected) bloody bullet riddled finale, but those expecting to see an update of Woo`s trademark heroic bloodshed shootouts will feel let down.

[daisho2004]

OAB: Thanks for the heads up I didn't know it was out yet. I've been wanting to see it, but again another Classic that gets a remake! Why!

[Cesare]

My 2 cents...
It has been a long time since I saw the original, so my memories of it might be a tad distorted - but I think the remake did it justice.
I guess it is all about what the original (and Woo's films in general) mean to you.
For me, A Better Tomorrow has always been a homosocial (melo)drama about loyalty to oneself, loyalty to one's friends and one's moral principles. Badassery, cool action scenes and slo-mo bleeding were just a welcome bonus, a kind of an aesthetic framework for a simple story that deals with themes that are important and interesting to me.
So the slow melodrama that so many fans of the genre condemn is actually one of those aspects of the original A Better Tomorrow that appeal to me the most.
The remake does have the moody, melancholic feel of the original and it is maybe even slower at moments. And my impression was that when Mujeogja goes right back to those "melodramatic roots" of the original, it is pretty much on purpose. Heavier mood, heavier rain and slower pace - that's what this movie is IMHO quite purposefully going for.

If you are of the majority that thinks Woo's original is just a tad too slow, a tad too melodramatic and could have used a little more cowbell and Chow Yun-Fat, you're probably not going to love this remake.
I am not of that majority and Mujeogja totally is my cup of tea.

One Armed Boxer: As for the cast - undecided about the other two, but Joo Jin-mo IMHO *is* one of Korea's most charismatic actors.

PS: The action is very good, but as OAB has written, not really spectacular. The final shootout is pretty awesome, though.

***POSSIBLE SPOILER WARNING***
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(Anyway - the film should have ended one shot earlier.)

[One Armed Boxer]

Cesare....good points, I think peoples enjoyment of the movie will come down entirely to if people where fans or not of the originals melodrama.

I watched `A Better Tomorrow` after `The Killer` & `Hard Boiled`...so as you can imagine my image of what the movie was going to be like was completely different to what it actually is, which is essentially more of a drama than an action movie.

I certainly wouldn`t condemn the original, it simply wasn`t what I was expecting it to be, which is not the movie or Woo`s fault.

You`re right in saying that, if anything, the re-make aims to be more heavy going than the original...and it pulls it off well. About your last point...yeah I`ll second that!

[Cesare]

I watched `A Better Tomorrow` after `The Killer` & `Hard Boiled`...so as you can imagine my image of what the movie was going to be like was completely different to what it actually is...

I can imagine...:xd:
To me, melodramatic aspects of Woo's films have always been just as important as his unique grasp of violence and action - ABT was not too much of a surprise to me, even though I, too, had seen Hard Boiled and Killer before watching A Better Tomorrow.


BTW - just for the record and for the sake of being honest... As much as I dislike gender generalizations - this one has definitely better chances with us girls. It is very character/relationship driven, there are hot hunks in it - and they cry a lot. (And only someone with huge amount of estrogene in their system can possibly relate to Kim Chul in his most idiotic moments.)
Sure Mujeogja is much more than simply a fangirl magnet, but it IMHO does target female audience (and the fangirl crowd within it) a lot more than the original did.

[AlbertV]

I watched it last night and I have to admit, while the Woo version will always be a classic, this remake is actually not bad at all. It seemed more faithful than other remakes with the shocking twist at the end. I felt that Song Seung-Hong brought his own version rather than attempted to emulate Chow Yun-Fat and for this, it was more of a plus than a minus. Joo Jin-Mo seems to be at the top of his game as Kim Hyuk. The melodrama seems to work and the finale was great IMO.

[Karlos]

The sheer overwroughtness of the drama in this just killed it stone dead for me.

I understand it's getting a release in the West under the new title, Men Crying: The Motion Picture.

[OpiumKungFuCracker]

LOL, I cried when they tied both their fingers in a knot to the balloon and ran across the sands on the beach.... Would you consider this a bromance movie???