1 thing i never worked out about Bruce Lee Jun Fan

jrcma · 05-07-2009, 12:15 AM

Thing i've never worked out about Bruce was the howls, war-cries or what ever u call it could somebody please tell me

is it like breathin out Kiai's in Japanese Martial arts but only Bruce or impersonations do the howls or the cries.

The Dragon · 05-07-2009, 12:37 AM

To be perfectly honest, Lee didn't use the Kai during actual combat-according to his students/friends who trained with him. He did develop them in his onscreen personality, a tactic that separated him from other Martial stars. The cat-like growls and additional cries became something of a tactic for his characters as his fame was growing, the sounds changed. For instance, in ETD, his bellows are very strong and extremely threatening, moreso than any of his other films. I feel this was because he was yelling to the International audiences, "here I am! The Dragon!"
Even as Kato on the Green Hornet, Longstreet, and in the film Marlowe, his characters made the noises, only not as theatrical as his HK films.

jrcma · 05-07-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dragon

To be perfectly honest, Lee didn't use the Kai during actual combat-according to his students/friends who trained with him. He did develop them in his onscreen personality, a tactic that separated him from other Martial stars. The cat-like growls and additional cries became something of a tactic for his characters as his fame was growing, the sounds changed. For instance, in ETD, his bellows are very strong and extremely threatening, moreso than any of his other films. I feel this was because he was yelling to the International audiences, "here I am! The Dragon!"
Even as Kato on the Green Hornet, Longstreet, and in the film Marlowe, his characters made the noises, only not as theatrical as his HK films.

Yeah well thanks for clearin that up. :)

but no dis-respect 2 Bruce but alot of non-Martial artist think we all go around makin cries & howls but it's mostly school kid takin the mick but deep down i can tell they real got respect seein as u would easily beat them in a fight but i never did fight them cos how can u lose a fight if u don't fight?

jrcma · 05-07-2009, 01:04 AM

Also i was thing about again what r the noses brushes about?

The Dragon · 05-07-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jrcxma

Also i was thing about again what r the noses brushes about?

That's actually an homage' to Muhammed Ali, who thumbed his nose in bouts throughout his career. He did it as a reflex habit from wearing his sparring helmet in the gym, then continued in actual bouts. Lee thought it to be a cool Western trait to bring to his onscreen persona that audiences would identify with. One thing's for certain, he surely thought of his image a great deal as it formed... and, I'll be the first to admit he borrowed from so many sources!

jrcma · 05-07-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dragon

That's actually an homage' to Muhammed Ali, who thumbed his nose in bouts throughout his career. He did it as a reflex habit from wearing his sparring helmet in the gym, then continued in actual bouts. Lee thought it to be a cool Western trait to bring to his onscreen persona that audiences would identify with. One thing's for certain, he surely thought of his image a great deal as it formed... and, I'll be the first to admit he borrowed from so many sources!

U see him uses the nose brush in the kid.
"borrowed from so many sources!" his style Jeet Kune Do was a mixs of all Martial arts in his words "use what is useful reject useless"

The Dragon · 05-07-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jrcxma

U see him uses the nose brush in the kid.
"borrowed from so many sources!" his style Jeet Kune Do was a mixs of all Martial arts in his words "use what is useful reject useless"

You're right! I remember him doing that way back then. I stand corrected. Great point.

MrSuzuki · 05-07-2009, 01:50 PM

The nose brush has became somewhat of a common "tough guy" gesture that's ages old... I'd have no idea where in history did it began, assuming it has any real historical origin.

Brushing your nose, if not always with Bruce's style and flair, is something normal to do in a hand to hand combat situation, to clear out fluids from your breathing channels resulting from punches taken to the face (goey, blood, tears...).

andy338 · 05-07-2009, 06:40 PM

Bruce seemed to really understand that these seemingly trivial movements really added to the drama of a fight scene & by adding his own personality he certainly stood out from the rest of the pack. This is where so many martial artists fail in movies, they might be able to kick & punch but they just don't have any charisma. I always loved the tasting of his own blood before spitting it on the floor & then launching an attack, this was mentioned on a documentary which revealed where he got it from but I can't remember, does anybody know?

jkl · 05-07-2009, 07:08 PM

James Coburn mentions bruce's war cries on i think...the biography by A&E

05-07-2009, 12:15 AM	#1
jrcma Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: England. Posts: 1,315	1 thing i never worked out about Bruce Lee Jun Fan Thing i've never worked out about Bruce was the howls, war-cries or what ever u call it could somebody please tell me is it like breathin out Kiai's in Japanese Martial arts but only Bruce or impersonations do the howls or the cries.

05-07-2009, 12:37 AM	#2
The Dragon Master Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,636	Great question...! To be perfectly honest, Lee didn't use the Kai during actual combat-according to his students/friends who trained with him. He did develop them in his onscreen personality, a tactic that separated him from other Martial stars. The cat-like growls and additional cries became something of a tactic for his characters as his fame was growing, the sounds changed. For instance, in ETD, his bellows are very strong and extremely threatening, moreso than any of his other films. I feel this was because he was yelling to the International audiences, "here I am! The Dragon!" Even as Kato on the Green Hornet, Longstreet, and in the film Marlowe, his characters made the noises, only not as theatrical as his HK films. __________________ "Don't concentrate on the finger, or you'll miss all that Heavenly Glory!!" -

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jkl Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: UK Posts: 140	James Coburn mentions bruce's war cries on i think...the biography by A&E __________________ "The battle with the guards was magnificent, your skill is extraordinary....and i was going to ask you to join us"

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05-07-2009, 01:04 AM	#4
jrcma Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: England. Posts: 1,315	Also i was thing about again what r the noses brushes about?

05-07-2009, 01:50 PM	#8
MrSuzuki Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 28	The nose brush has became somewhat of a common "tough guy" gesture that's ages old... I'd have no idea where in history did it began, assuming it has any real historical origin. Brushing your nose, if not always with Bruce's style and flair, is something normal to do in a hand to hand combat situation, to clear out fluids from your breathing channels resulting from punches taken to the face (goey, blood, tears...).

05-07-2009, 06:40 PM	#9
andy338 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 293	Bruce seemed to really understand that these seemingly trivial movements really added to the drama of a fight scene & by adding his own personality he certainly stood out from the rest of the pack. This is where so many martial artists fail in movies, they might be able to kick & punch but they just don't have any charisma. I always loved the tasting of his own blood before spitting it on the floor & then launching an attack, this was mentioned on a documentary which revealed where he got it from but I can't remember, does anybody know?