Why the Dragon Tiger gate hate?

SimonMW · 12-23-2010, 03:29 PM

Just curious as to why people find this movie so bad?

I really liked it. I thought the action was really cool, and although there was a lot of wires it really suited the production. Great handwork from Donnie Yen throughout (especially in the finale) and really nice cinematography and lighting all the way through the film.

Story? Well, it's based on a comic book, and anyone who watches HK action movies for the storyline needs a head examination anyway!

So anyway why all the hate? For some reason DTG doesn't just bring out opinions like "It was okay but could have been better" or "it wasn't really for me". Instead it seems to get people foaming at the mouth calling it the biggest pile of cows dung ever produced etc. I just don't get it.

DiP · 12-23-2010, 04:15 PM

I didn't really like the movie the first time but it has since grown on me. Despite the lack of background on some particular characters (Shibumi, Ma Kun and Master Wong) and somewhat jumpy pacing, it's a really entertaining movie overall and complemented by the great sets, beautiful cinematography/lighting plus economical and attractive use of CG. Donnie's action choreography - though not up there with Flash Point and SPL - ranks among his most creative works to date imo, thanks to the intricately appropriate camerawork/editing, varied display of styles in the choreography and smart use of wirework. The second restaurant fight and the stadium fight are personal favorites as is the Master Wong/Shibumi fight.

AlbertV · 12-23-2010, 04:28 PM

I have to admit, the first time I saw it, after seeing it, I was like WTH? Then I watched it a few more times, and I have to admit, I was impressed with the skills of Nicholas Tse and Shawn Yue. Even using some wirework for the more comic book-ish stunts, Tse proved to be quite the superkicker and Shawn Yue just rocked those nunchakus.

I was glad to see these two team up again in Invisible Target where they proved to be impressive again. Get a third film with these two together again and I'm in.

Morgoth Bauglir · 12-23-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SimonMW

it seems to get people foaming at the mouth calling it the biggest pile of cows dung ever produced etc.

I've never seen someone say that.

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Originally Posted by SimonMW

"It was okay but could have been better" or "it wasn't really for me".

I agree with this. It had its moments (the action scenes with Donnie Yen) but I would never put it in my DVD player a second time.

Karlos · 12-23-2010, 04:30 PM

I've always really liked this film, I have to say.

It's not perfect by any means - the final fight gives Turbo and Tiger almost nothing to do before Donnie steps in for a very one-sided confrontation, there's some awful sentimentality (in a HK film? Surely not!!) and the Tony Wong cameo was interminable.

BUT, those flaws aside, I dig it - the first fight in the restaurant is brilliantly well done - in fact, the other fights in the film suffer because of it.

Now, where's the sequel?!

irongut · 12-23-2010, 05:02 PM

You guys have got me curious to see DTG, now!

Also, adapted from the comics, I found Storm Warriors entertaining as well!

Fat_Dragon · 12-23-2010, 05:04 PM

I Love DTG!

ShaOW!linDude · 12-23-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlos

I've always really liked this film, I have to say.

It's not perfect by any means - the final fight gives Turbo and Tiger almost nothing to do before Donnie steps in for a very one-sided confrontation, there's some awful sentimentality (in a HK film? Surely not!!) and the Tony Wong cameo was interminable.

BUT, those flaws aside, I dig it - the first fight in the restaurant is brilliantly well done - in fact, the other fights in the film suffer because of it.

Now, where's the sequel?!

I second everything you say, K.

Well, maybe except for the 3rd statement. It's really good and sets the standard for the rest of the film. And Tse is predominantly a kicker in this and I love a kicker! But the other fights have their own flavor and I find them tasty.

I,too, get very quickly bored with angsty, over-sentimentality. (Oh, just suck on a idling car muffler already!)

And, yeah, about that sequel..........

(Now someone will probably start a "Why all the love for DTG?" thread.)

Morgoth Bauglir · 12-23-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaOW!linDude

(Now someone will probably start a "Why all the love for DTG?" thread.)

Don't worry I'm on it.

lillippa328 · 12-23-2010, 06:18 PM

i thoght it was cool, got some good fights

12-23-2010, 03:29 PM	#1
SimonMW Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 166	Why the Dragon Tiger gate hate? Just curious as to why people find this movie so bad? I really liked it. I thought the action was really cool, and although there was a lot of wires it really suited the production. Great handwork from Donnie Yen throughout (especially in the finale) and really nice cinematography and lighting all the way through the film. Story? Well, it's based on a comic book, and anyone who watches HK action movies for the storyline needs a head examination anyway! So anyway why all the hate? For some reason DTG doesn't just bring out opinions like "It was okay but could have been better" or "it wasn't really for me". Instead it seems to get people foaming at the mouth calling it the biggest pile of cows dung ever produced etc. I just don't get it.

12-23-2010, 04:15 PM	#2
DiP Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,738	I didn't really like the movie the first time but it has since grown on me. Despite the lack of background on some particular characters (Shibumi, Ma Kun and Master Wong) and somewhat jumpy pacing, it's a really entertaining movie overall and complemented by the great sets, beautiful cinematography/lighting plus economical and attractive use of CG. Donnie's action choreography - though not up there with Flash Point and SPL - ranks among his most creative works to date imo, thanks to the intricately appropriate camerawork/editing, varied display of styles in the choreography and smart use of wirework. The second restaurant fight and the stadium fight are personal favorites as is the Master Wong/Shibumi fight. Last edited by DiP; 12-25-2010 at 07:29 PM.

12-23-2010, 04:28 PM	#3
AlbertV Master Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,151	I have to admit, the first time I saw it, after seeing it, I was like WTH? Then I watched it a few more times, and I have to admit, I was impressed with the skills of Nicholas Tse and Shawn Yue. Even using some wirework for the more comic book-ish stunts, Tse proved to be quite the superkicker and Shawn Yue just rocked those nunchakus. I was glad to see these two team up again in Invisible Target where they proved to be impressive again. Get a third film with these two together again and I'm in. __________________ http://www.kungfucinema.com/author/AlbertV

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12-23-2010, 04:30 PM	#5
Karlos Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Martial World Posts: 1,245	I've always really liked this film, I have to say. It's not perfect by any means - the final fight gives Turbo and Tiger almost nothing to do before Donnie steps in for a very one-sided confrontation, there's some awful sentimentality (in a HK film? Surely not!!) and the Tony Wong cameo was interminable. BUT, those flaws aside, I dig it - the first fight in the restaurant is brilliantly well done - in fact, the other fights in the film suffer because of it. Now, where's the sequel?!

12-23-2010, 05:02 PM	#6
irongut Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 81	You guys have got me curious to see DTG, now! Also, adapted from the comics, I found Storm Warriors entertaining as well!

12-23-2010, 05:04 PM	#7
Fat_Dragon Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 0hi0 Posts: 206	I Love DTG!

12-23-2010, 06:18 PM	#10
lillippa328 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 986	i thoght it was cool, got some good fights