Movie Reboots? Love them or hate them?

GoldenFist · 04-23-2011, 03:26 AM

Over the last few years, Ive watched many studios and directors attempt to reboot a franchise and sometimes be successful. But with movies like " TRON: Legacy" and this years " Man of Steel" Im starting to get tired of the idea. I've always had ideas for reboots and I was curious if anyone wants to see something rebooted? Or tell the worst reboot you've seen so far.

- Goldenfist

ShaOW!linDude · 04-23-2011, 04:41 AM

Like many, I detest the current fad of reboots. Having said that......I'm not opposed to reboots as long as they're on par with the original. But to reboot a successful franchise so quickly, Spiderman for example, is just stupid. We can quibble about whether the last movie was good or not but just pick up with the character and go on.

The great thing about the James Bond franchise is that each movie is essentially a stand alone film. There's no need to redo any of those. Just continue on with the character and have fun with it. (To me the Daniel Craig "Casino Royale" is not a reboot of the David Niven/Peter Sellers "Casino Royale" which I don't think truly ranks as a Bond film.....but that's me.) Craig taking on the role of Bond was more of a revitalization than reinvention or reboot.

If anything needs an immediate reboot it's the Green Hornet. Fun flick in a sense, had some cool stuff here and there but........aw, don't get me started. It just was not up to snuff. That movie needed a darker, grimmer motif, and entirely different cast, and some true MA action in it.

GoldenFist · 04-23-2011, 02:34 PM

I enjoyed the green hornet and some of the comedy, however your right the movie itself should of been much darker. If my father was killed, I would of been more serious about the whole situation. Kato's martial art skills could of been portrayed better, though Jay Chou isn't that bad, they wasted his potential. I do hope they make another movie though. As for the Bond series, I thought Casino Royal was decent, however Im not much of a blonde bond type of guy ( no offense ) I did however, enjoy the premise of the film. For spiderman, I HATED the last film, the plot was all over the place and there was too many villains. The newer one is supposed to be more gritty and take place during Peter's highschool days. Ive seen alot of footage and behind the scenes and I think it will be ok. Heres a better explain of a Reboot I might like, The new Captain America movie looks really good compared to the 1990's one. That one was horrible. I always thought they could of rebooted Godzilla, TMNT, and Power Rangers on a more serious level.

Space · 04-23-2011, 02:40 PM

Generally don't like them. It looks like the new Conan is going to be a reboot and not have Arnold, which is frankly gay as hell.

Superman didn't need one, and I don't think anyone was crazy about it. I'm hoping this new X-Men isn't a reboot, but then again they should have stopped with X2.

GoldenFist · 04-23-2011, 03:24 PM

I like superman, not love him, but I like him. However another film sucks, Im excited for how Zach Synder is going to direct it...but still it doesn't change anything. How many times can you tell the same story over and over again. As for the X-men: First Class, as a comic book fan myself in some ways, they already messed it up. Wrong Characters lol But anyway, their making this movie in hopes of a new trilogy kinda like...the rebooted star wards films, prequels that happen before hand leading up to the other series.

dionbrother · 04-23-2011, 03:30 PM

You want a saggy, Social Security check-cashing, plastic surgery scarred Arnold to still play Conan? Yeah, that'll pack 'em in at the multiplex. They'd have to CGI his face onto Roland Kickinger's body like TERMINATOR SALVATION.

Movies have been rebooted for decades. Charlie Chan, Tarzan, Huang Fei Hung, Phillip Marlowe, The Lone Ranger, Fantomas, James Bond, Superman (remember Kirk Alyn?), Batman, etc. have been "rebooted" since the Silent Film era. "Rebooting" is just a new catch phrase for recasting the part and using a new creative team. Nothing wrong with that at all. If a character like Superman or James Bond has the potential to sell tickets for over half a century, then filmmakers would be insane to not "reboot."

If you are talking stylistically rebooting, SUPERMAN RETURNS would not be a reboot. It was a poorly thought out attempt to do a direct sequel to SUPERMAN 2. Zach Snyder's forthcoming film will be a true reboot, as he plans to have a different visual style, different tone and even replacing the iconic John Williams score.

And frankly, X-MEN: FIRST CLASS looks superior to any previous X-Men movies. And I hated those prior X-Men movies. They've gone for a 1960s spy movie look, which is what the Muties need.

OpiumKungFuCracker · 04-23-2011, 04:26 PM

There is an exception.. As long as the reboot is from an actual awesome movie and not a damn carbon copy of the original... I've seen Infernal Affairs, didn't like the Departed as much as the original, it was good but not worthy of a best film that won the Oscars several years ago...
@dionbrother, what about movies that aren't comic books but adapted from original screenplay?? Are those ok to be rebooted?? Fist Of Fury with Bruce Lee (Fucking Epic) Fist Of Legend and all the other copies are ok but doesn't have that magic like the original... Comic book/fantasy movies are always ok to be rebooted because of the CGI/computer being advanced on a dialy basis.. Rebooting a comic book movie is necessary and fine because in the comic book world they do it all the time, The characters are the same as along with an additional new one...

dionbrother · 04-23-2011, 05:16 PM

DEPARTED is a remake, not a reboot. Big difference.

I can't think of any "original screenplay" reboots, though you could argue neither Conan, Tarzan or James Bond resemble their literary counterparts all that much. The FIST OF FURY sequels and remakes are not really "reboots" in the industry terms.

OpiumKungFuCracker · 04-23-2011, 05:26 PM

I gotcha.. Is reboot mainly for franchises/comic book movies or a movie that's old and needs a litte update?? What is the sole purpose of a reboot if I may ask, to make money/appeal to the new crowd??

dionbrother · 04-23-2011, 05:32 PM

You're spot on. If a studio recasts James Bond or Batman, gives it a new look and ignores what happened in previous films, that's a reboot. The purpose is to make money off an iconic character. No actor has an exclusivity to Spider-man, Superman, Jason Bourne, Batman or Conan The Barbarian. People forget that Bourne was portrayed by Richard Chamberlain decades before Matt Damon. These are profitable characters open to interpretation and profit by filmmakers up to the task.

04-23-2011, 03:26 AM	#1
GoldenFist Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Han's Island Posts: 187	Movie Reboots? Love them or hate them? Over the last few years, Ive watched many studios and directors attempt to reboot a franchise and sometimes be successful. But with movies like " TRON: Legacy" and this years " Man of Steel" Im starting to get tired of the idea. I've always had ideas for reboots and I was curious if anyone wants to see something rebooted? Or tell the worst reboot you've seen so far. - Goldenfist __________________ " One may learn to fight, but one may not ever master it " - GoldenFist

04-23-2011, 02:34 PM	#3
GoldenFist Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Han's Island Posts: 187	I agree in some ways. I enjoyed the green hornet and some of the comedy, however your right the movie itself should of been much darker. If my father was killed, I would of been more serious about the whole situation. Kato's martial art skills could of been portrayed better, though Jay Chou isn't that bad, they wasted his potential. I do hope they make another movie though. As for the Bond series, I thought Casino Royal was decent, however Im not much of a blonde bond type of guy ( no offense ) I did however, enjoy the premise of the film. For spiderman, I HATED the last film, the plot was all over the place and there was too many villains. The newer one is supposed to be more gritty and take place during Peter's highschool days. Ive seen alot of footage and behind the scenes and I think it will be ok. Heres a better explain of a Reboot I might like, The new Captain America movie looks really good compared to the 1990's one. That one was horrible. I always thought they could of rebooted Godzilla, TMNT, and Power Rangers on a more serious level. __________________ " One may learn to fight, but one may not ever master it " - GoldenFist

04-23-2011, 03:24 PM	#5
GoldenFist Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Han's Island Posts: 187	The pointless story. I like superman, not love him, but I like him. However another film sucks, Im excited for how Zach Synder is going to direct it...but still it doesn't change anything. How many times can you tell the same story over and over again. As for the X-men: First Class, as a comic book fan myself in some ways, they already messed it up. Wrong Characters lol But anyway, their making this movie in hopes of a new trilogy kinda like...the rebooted star wards films, prequels that happen before hand leading up to the other series. __________________ " One may learn to fight, but one may not ever master it " - GoldenFist

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04-23-2011, 04:41 AM	#2
ShaOW!linDude Master Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Birmingham, Alabama Posts: 3,249	Like many, I detest the current fad of reboots. Having said that......I'm not opposed to reboots as long as they're on par with the original. But to reboot a successful franchise so quickly, Spiderman for example, is just stupid. We can quibble about whether the last movie was good or not but just pick up with the character and go on. The great thing about the James Bond franchise is that each movie is essentially a stand alone film. There's no need to redo any of those. Just continue on with the character and have fun with it. (To me the Daniel Craig "Casino Royale" is not a reboot of the David Niven/Peter Sellers "Casino Royale" which I don't think truly ranks as a Bond film.....but that's me.) Craig taking on the role of Bond was more of a revitalization than reinvention or reboot. If anything needs an immediate reboot it's the Green Hornet. Fun flick in a sense, had some cool stuff here and there but........aw, don't get me started. It just was not up to snuff. That movie needed a darker, grimmer motif, and entirely different cast, and some true MA action in it.

04-23-2011, 02:40 PM	#4
Space Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 555	Generally don't like them. It looks like the new Conan is going to be a reboot and not have Arnold, which is frankly gay as hell. Superman didn't need one, and I don't think anyone was crazy about it. I'm hoping this new X-Men isn't a reboot, but then again they should have stopped with X2.

04-23-2011, 03:30 PM	#6
dionbrother Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 652	You want a saggy, Social Security check-cashing, plastic surgery scarred Arnold to still play Conan? Yeah, that'll pack 'em in at the multiplex. They'd have to CGI his face onto Roland Kickinger's body like TERMINATOR SALVATION. Movies have been rebooted for decades. Charlie Chan, Tarzan, Huang Fei Hung, Phillip Marlowe, The Lone Ranger, Fantomas, James Bond, Superman (remember Kirk Alyn?), Batman, etc. have been "rebooted" since the Silent Film era. "Rebooting" is just a new catch phrase for recasting the part and using a new creative team. Nothing wrong with that at all. If a character like Superman or James Bond has the potential to sell tickets for over half a century, then filmmakers would be insane to not "reboot." If you are talking stylistically rebooting, SUPERMAN RETURNS would not be a reboot. It was a poorly thought out attempt to do a direct sequel to SUPERMAN 2. Zach Snyder's forthcoming film will be a true reboot, as he plans to have a different visual style, different tone and even replacing the iconic John Williams score. And frankly, X-MEN: FIRST CLASS looks superior to any previous X-Men movies. And I hated those prior X-Men movies. They've gone for a 1960s spy movie look, which is what the Muties need.

04-23-2011, 04:26 PM	#7
OpiumKungFuCracker Master Join Date: May 2010 Location: Space Center Posts: 2,235	There is an exception.. As long as the reboot is from an actual awesome movie and not a damn carbon copy of the original... I've seen Infernal Affairs, didn't like the Departed as much as the original, it was good but not worthy of a best film that won the Oscars several years ago... @dionbrother, what about movies that aren't comic books but adapted from original screenplay?? Are those ok to be rebooted?? Fist Of Fury with Bruce Lee (Fucking Epic) Fist Of Legend and all the other copies are ok but doesn't have that magic like the original... Comic book/fantasy movies are always ok to be rebooted because of the CGI/computer being advanced on a dialy basis.. Rebooting a comic book movie is necessary and fine because in the comic book world they do it all the time, The characters are the same as along with an additional new one...

04-23-2011, 05:16 PM	#8
dionbrother Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 652	DEPARTED is a remake, not a reboot. Big difference. I can't think of any "original screenplay" reboots, though you could argue neither Conan, Tarzan or James Bond resemble their literary counterparts all that much. The FIST OF FURY sequels and remakes are not really "reboots" in the industry terms.

04-23-2011, 05:26 PM	#9
OpiumKungFuCracker Master Join Date: May 2010 Location: Space Center Posts: 2,235	I gotcha.. Is reboot mainly for franchises/comic book movies or a movie that's old and needs a litte update?? What is the sole purpose of a reboot if I may ask, to make money/appeal to the new crowd??

04-23-2011, 05:32 PM	#10
dionbrother Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 652	You're spot on. If a studio recasts James Bond or Batman, gives it a new look and ignores what happened in previous films, that's a reboot. The purpose is to make money off an iconic character. No actor has an exclusivity to Spider-man, Superman, Jason Bourne, Batman or Conan The Barbarian. People forget that Bourne was portrayed by Richard Chamberlain decades before Matt Damon. These are profitable characters open to interpretation and profit by filmmakers up to the task.