Frank Dux: The man behind ‘Bloodsport’ and the rise of JCVD

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by Nigel Clarke | August 25, 2009

Bolo Yeung as Chong Li and Jean-Claude Van Damme as Frank Dux in BLOODSPORT.

In 1988, the martial arts community was introduced to Jean-Claude Van Damme with the arrival of the movie BLOODSPORT. Van Damme displayed a unique fighting style that combined raw power, agility and speed. Due to the success of the film, Van Damme would be catapulted into. However, behind the Universal Soldier lies the story of Frank Dux.

Frank Dux

The untold Frank Dux story is of a hard upbringing that included chapters written in struggle and humility. It is the story of a fighter, molded by traumatizing experiences of fear that would compel him to train and grab hold of martial arts and at the age of 19, become champion of the international fighting event known as the Kumite.
Frank was born in 1956, in Toronto, to parents who were holocaust survivors. Frank and his parents would move to California when he was seven.

Although he possessed tremendous athletic ability, Frank’s lack of financial means would direct him towards free lessons in martial arts.

“I started training in 1968,” recalls Frank. “I got into martial arts because I could not afford shoes. I had combat boots because that is all my parents could afford to buy me. When I went to high school, in order to play sports, you had to be able to buy cleats. I could not afford a deposit for helmets and shoulder pads.”

Frank’s natural athletic ability no doubt contributed to his career in martial arts. “I used to play [football] with Aaron Mitchell who went on to play ball for the Dallas Cowboys and even Aaron will tell you I was the only guy who could catch him. That’s how fast I was. Guy Sularz went on to be one of the top players with the [Minnesota] Twins, and I could out hit him too. I was a great athlete but when I could do martial arts, you didn’t need shoes.”

Not having the means to purchase cleats and other necessary equipment would prevent Frank from participating in organized sports. However, it wasn’t a love for fighting that propelled him to learn martial arts. It was a greater motivator, fear.

“It’s not about fighting. It’s about building character and getting over your fears. When you conquer your fear there is a tremendous amount of exhilaration that comes from that. I was about 10 years old when these two kids threw me into a garage because I looked odd to them. The kid reminded me that his father was a district attorney and buried a hatchet about two inches from my head. He could have split my skull. That had a profound effect on me. I never forgot that.”

That experience would cause Frank to seek out training in martial arts. Frank had the desire to protect himself, coupled with his athleticism, it would propel him forward but not before humbling training experiences that would make great material for any martial arts movie.

“John Leone would let me sit in on classes on qi energy and that’s what I learned from him. Then on Van Nuys Boulevard I would go see Bob Osman who was one of the strongest karate men in the world. Bob taught me the idea and concept that one punch is all you need, and that is all you should have to use in fighting… and develop your strength and power… and I became a knockout king and that is where I got that from. When I went to Bill Usagi’s school, you’d see Bruce Lee in there. He wasn’t Bruce Lee as we know him at that time. He was friends with Bill Usagi. What I learned from Bill Usagi was focus and speed.”

Since Frank couldn’t afford to pay for the class at Bill Usagi’s school, he had an unwritten arrangement with Bill Usagi that allowed him to learn. Frank would clean up in front of the school and in return Bill would open the window blinds so Frank could see inside.

“Bill would look at me and guide me through the window. I didn’t have parental permission. I couldn’t afford lessons but he wanted me to learn. I would practice on the sidewalk and everyone would make fun of me. ‘Look at this stupid kid out there.’ I had to overcome the humiliation because I wanted to learn.”

Frank Dux

In middle school the “sidewalk dragon” was already a proficient fighter, attributing much of it to genetics. “By the time I was 14, I was knocking out grown men. I loved training but when I was a kid I was huge. In school I got a lot of ridicule because of that.”

This was referenced during the opening to BLOODSPORT where a young Frank Dux is depicted as being much taller that his school classmates.

Frank’s financial state would cause him to develop a sense of maturity and seriousness that lent them to his training regimen. “I was mature. You have to be when you are poor to survive. It makes you grow up quickly. I did not have much of a childhood. ‘How are we going to eat today?’ We’d go collect bottles so we could have food and my mom was sick and it was hard to buy medicine. Through that kind of adversity I trained myself and through the kindness of many people I learned martial arts.”

In BLOODSPORT, a young Frank is caught trying to steal a sword. This leads to a meeting between his parents and future trainer. During the meeting, his father mentions that he owns a vineyard.

Frank described how the script strayed from reality. “That’s not true. What the producer was trying to show was that martial arts redeems you and that scene was a quick way to tell that. My dad didn’t work in a vineyard. My mother was really sick and my parents were immigrants from the holocaust. They came to the country with nothing.”

Mention of a vineyard was a part of Frank’s philosophy when discussing young martial artists. It’s a principle he taught during seminars. “Children are impressionable and anybody can be a child in martial arts. You can be 30 years old and still be a child in the martial arts. To really learn, it’s like cultivating a grape. You have to expose it to the elements and at the same time you have nurture it, to really grow and get the fruit of the vine.”

In high school, Frank trained with Jack Seki and Senzo Tanaka. The latter was a former Kumite champion and gateway for Frank’s introduction to this elite fighting event. “Jack, was one of the few guys who put on a program where you could attend classes for a buck 25 a month. It was low enough that if I could collect bottles… I would turn them in to the local liquor store and get a nickel. That was basically me finding two bottles a day on my way home from school.”

Despite his skill in martial arts, Frank was quiet and timid. “I had a few friends, not many. High school was rough. I did not fit in. I was wearing combat boots, a military fatigue jacket and two pair of jeans that I had to make work. My biggest [problem was wondering] where is my next meal coming from?”

After high school, Frank joined the U.S. Marine Corps. He couldn’t discuss his activities while in the military but he took the time to clear up any discrepancies regarding his veteran status. “From 1975 to 1981, I was in the Marine Corps. My DD 214 (Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty) establishes that I was an intelligence specialist. I was in reserved status. I wasn’t a Vietnam War veteran. I was a Vietnam-era veteran. That’s all I can tell you.”

As our conversation continued, I shifted focus to the topic of the Kumite and how Frank came to be involved in the fighting circuit famously depicted in BLOODPSPORT. It turns out that none other than John Keehan, the eccentric martial artist known as Count Dante, was involved. “[John Keehan] died and I ended up going instead. The myth is that he was involved in some type of robbery but he was too flamboyant as far as the [Black Dragon Fighting Society] were concerned and they had him killed with the Dim Mak strike but these are just rumors and allegations.” (See related article on John Keehan for more details.)

Frank Dux

Frank was given the opportunity to join the Kumite because of his affiliation with Tanaka, a former Kumite champion, also because of his relationship with Jack Seki. While BLOODSPORT placed the Kumite in Hong Kong, Frank provided the details on the true location of the three-day event which he attended alone.

“To make sure that they kept out people, they held the event in secrecy in the Bahamas. I got there and I fought and I won. After that, there were private planes. They took me here. They took me there. Fighters got shit but the promoters made a fortune… I went by myself. I was scared shitless. I wanted to leave. I thought, ‘Am I going to get killed? What am I doing here?’ I couldn’t sleep. I was so anxious.”

Frank spoke on the various fighting styles at the event and why Kumite was better than UFC. “The fighters came from everywhere. They had [as] much stuff as they could get in there, people from every indigenous country. We had a guy from Brazil who did Capoeira and I saw some Monkey kung fu. When [UFC] put in all of these rules they watered it down. It’s like a big old brawling match and wrestling. It looks like the WWE for real. You got Brock Lesner spitting on people.”

In BLOODSPORT, Frank must defeat the feared fighter “Chong Li,” played by Chinese martial arts film star Bolo Yeung. Yeung executed his role effectively, coming across as vicious and ruthless but he did not come close to capturing the essence of the real Chong Li according to Frank. The real Chong Li lost and Frank went on to win the title.

“Bolo Yueng looks like a pussycat compared to the real Chong Li,” Frank recalled. “He was huge. He was taller than me. People think Koreans are small. That’s not necessarily the case. People’s logic was that the Orientals are smaller than me. That’s not true. The biggest guy in the NBA (Yao Ming) is Chinese.

Our discussions of Chong Li provoked Frank to share information pertaining to a previously undisclosed element of the Kumite and the martial arts community as a whole. “I want people to understand the prejudices that contaminated the event. I knew plenty of Black fighters, a guy from Nambia, and they wouldn’t let him fight because he was Black and they had elitism. I fought him one day and I beat him but he was a magnificent fighter. This Nambian never got his fare share.

“Another guy named Irving Soto, who was part Puerto Rican, they would never let him out of the second tier to fight and he was itching to fight me. He is one of the few guys who can actually do Iron Palm [during demonstration] and bust the bottom brick. He gets viciously attacked on the Internet and what it really comes down to, honestly is that there are so many of these guys out there who are of Oriental descent, that want to keep this myth going that they are superior to us. It’s never about a person being born in Korea or Japan or ‘their race makes them superior.’”

One of the challenges Frank faced was in fighting misconceptions in the martial arts community about him and other pioneering martial artists in America.

“I had a big run-in with Black Belt magazine. They were going to say that I was one of the first American ninjas, like in the movie… before Stephen Hayes. Hayes was not even around when I was doing what I was doing. I did not go along with it. I’m not the first. If you really want to talk about the first then the distinction belongs to Ronald Duncan and they wouldn’t give him credit. I feel bad for Ron Duncan. Here is a guy who did a tremendous amount for the industry and teaching people.”
“People got locked out. Another guy, Benny Urquidez, tried to fight in the Kumite. He wasn’t permitted because he was Spanish.”

(Benny “The Jet” Urquidez was a competitive, American-born martial artist of mixed Spanish and Amerindian descent who has appeared in a number of martial arts films, most notably WHEELS ON MEALS and DRAGONS FOREVER alongside Hong Kong action masters Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung and Yuen Biao.)

Frank spoke about Vic Moore who was considered for the Kumite but not allowed to participate because he was Black. “There was so much prejudice at the time. They were not going to allow that to happen. People forget that in the ’60s we just had the Civil Rights Movement. You’re talking about five or six years later, in 1975, people did not change that quick. People don’t realize martial arts was behind the Civil Rights Movement, it wasn’t in step with it. [Moore] never got the credit he deserved. He beat guys like Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, Mike Stone… Vic Moore beat everybody but the only person he will tell you that he never beat was me.”

Frank Dux

According to Frank, The Kumite was sponsored by the Black Dragon Fighting Society and the IFAA (International Fighting Arts Association) which was composed of several organization and promoters. “This wasn’t sanctioned,” explained Frank. “It was a small elite clique of the top martial artists in the world saying, ‘I’m going to send my best against your best’”

Frank’s post-Kumite career had him engaging in two to three fights a week over the next several years. He compiled a record of 329 victories, without any defeats. These fights would be the impetus for another Van Damme movie.

“The fights started to look like LIONHEART (1990). That’s why LIONHEART was made,” said Frank. “They fought me so much because I became an expert on how to avoid being hit and at the same time delivering one hit to drop a guy. My longest fight in my fight career was one minute and forty seconds. Any of the Black Dragons who ran the event will confirm it. I’m quoting what they told me. That’s professional fights… when I was first on the scene. I lost an amateur fight and that was not counted.”

“The fight scenes themselves – fighting in a pool, fighting in an ice rink, fighting with cars all circled around – those all came from me talking to Sheldon Lettich.”

Frank’s mention of Lettich shifted conversation to the creation of BLOODSPORT, Frank’s brief career as a fight choreographer in Hollywood and what would become a broken relationship with Jean-Claude Van Damme.

Frank was friends with Lettich, writer of BLOODSPORT and subsequent writer-director of LIONHEART.

“Sheldon wanted to show that he could write and have a career in Hollywood. In order to do that he needed something published. So he decided to make a 16mm short, a 20-minute film called FIREFIGHT. He asked me to put up money which I did. We got it made and he was in the office of an editing studio, cutting it, and met (producer) Mark DiSalle. Mark confided that he wanted to do a movie on martial arts but he could not get interest. He remembered the story about me in Black Belt magazine and about the [Kumite]. He started discussing this with Sheldon. Sheldon said, ‘I know Frank Dux. He is here in my film.’”

Soon after, Frank met with DiSalle and shared his story. DiSalle commissioned Lettich to write the movie and they moved forward shortly thereafter, managing to get the movie done.

Frank went on to explain why he never appeared on film with Van Damme. “I did all of the fight choreography in BLOODSPORT. Van Damme was trained in Shotokan (karate) and ballet but he did not fight like me and I had to train him. I have to give Jean-Claude credit. He really did a fantastic job compared to what he had to work with. You have to remember this was a small-budget film. The uniform you see Jean-Claude wearing, that was my stuff. They had originally got him a bunch of silk pajamas and sowed the crotches shut. What’s interesting is that he never allowed me to appear in the film. My kicks were quicker. They did not want me to outshine him and I was told that specifically.”

What drove a wedge between Frank and Van Damme was the actor’s first self-directed film. Like BLOODSPORT, the film was to be based on the life of Frank Dux and was originally to be called THE KUMITE. Yet when a deal involving the original script fell apart, Van Damme rewrote Frank’s story, shot it and released it under the new title, THE QUEST. Released in 1996, the film became a box office flop that only exasperated Van Damme’s already troubled career that had begun its downward spiral with the box officer disaster that was STREET FIGHTER.

Due to a decision made by the Writers Guild of America, Frank received none of the box office take from THE QUEST, only a credit for writing the story. In response, Frank filed a suit against Van Damme, one that he ultimately lost. Frank claimed the trial was unfair and cited instances of perjury. Regardless, this episode was a turning point for both men. It not only ended their relationship, it marked the end of Frank’s involvement with Hollywood and proved that despite having creative control, Van Damme couldn’t rescue his own career from a slide into direct-to-video oblivion.

In recalling the fallout from their rift, Frank essentially took credit for making Van Damme. “His career tanked. I was really the driving force behind his career. He’s a fantastic performer but without being told what to do or given the right words… I wrote a lot of his material and never got credit for it. Without me there telling him what to say and what to do, his career went into the toilet.”

According to Frank, Van Damme has tried to make contact with him in recent months in an effort to gain his participation on a new movie. (It’s been rumored that Van Damme has been trying to get a new tournament film off the ground.)

Frank’s fallout with Van Damme isn’t the only controversy the martial artist has faced. Over the years, Frank’s involvement in ninjitsu has caused many to question his credibility. I asked him why all of these “internet ninjas” attack his reputation. “There’s a lot of people who engage in what’s called trade libel and they want to have everybody in the world feeling like they are the only legitimate martial artist of that ilk. Anyone with knowledge in that area, they attack them. It’s like one guy saying, ‘I’m the last Indian and all of these other Indian nations are full of shit. I’m the only real one.’”

Frank described a great deal of confusion that he was involved in during the ’80s ninja movie boom. He shared stories of his school being broken into several times. A guy who knew about the incident was run down by a car. Another man had his hand cut off on his front porch.

“This is like a cult that went crazy. There was so much garbage going on in that ninja boom with guys running around like they were real ninjas. It was insane. I’d find grown men running around in my backyard in ninja outfits. This is prior to BLOODSPORT.”

When you consider that BLOODSPORT was a low-budget film and that THE KUMITE was never created, it’s fair to say that Frank’s story has yet to be told. It’s an intriguing story that includes a shadowy military background, involvement with an underground fighting society and a personal story of perseverance.

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  • donnie44
    una historia increible y una gran persona
  • Roger
    I just want to say thank you to Frank Dux for telling his story which I been waiting for so long to hear since I check the movie bloodsport when I was young. I hope Hollywood do a movie based on his life in a honorable and respectfull way. Which is not too Glamorize for hollywood.
  • albertv
    Here was another site I found on Frank Dux and it is great to really hear Frank's side of everything.

    http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/bloodsp...

    I agree, there are haters out there and they will always come up with ways to de-credit someone and not really hearing from the man himself. It is great that Frank has finally proven himself in his own words and that is quite a resemblance to Van Damme in that one photo.
  • i must comment in this frank dux is the real deal bull sheeto is u an unrelible source there not creditable being in a small state as wv. we can still spot fakes like bull sheedio i stand by this frank dux is the real deal
  • Winston2
    The only bold faced liar here is you thesource66 -

    Beginning with your talking about your soldiering with Frank Dux?....

    He wasn't a soldier he was a Marine moron, SEMPER FI!

    Get along you dawggie... Shit for brains

    Dux D214 lists him as Intelligence Specialist. What does your list you as? Do you even have a DD214? Put up or shut up!

    My wife says she was stationed with you for three years, too... Disneyland, Fantasy Land? Mr Toads ride..

    Hey everybody, we now all know thesource66 is the one REALLLY full of it.

    Why? Because NO MARINE WOULD EVER MAKE THAT MISTAKE OF REFERRING TO HIS TIME OR INFANTRY TRAINING OR SERVICE AS SOLDIERING!

    Time to put away your whack mags and end your porno subscriptions and take your blue pills... I know you too can buy a DVD and learn the Ninja secrets and be a 20th degree black belt like Hatsumi...LOL,

    Go circle jerk somewhere else and leave us who are serious minded to discuss the subject intelligently, instead of being distracted by a juvenile liar like you thesource66... what you really got against Dux? Why do resort to making your wild shit up... don't tell me your days on the Disney tea cups is why you are clearly spun, and unbalanced... LOL
  • asmodeus
    "To asmodeos my focus to be discussed is how thesource66 got caught lying ... and liars are morons in my book because sooner or later they have to face a higher authority than public opinion..."

    Ohhhhhh, you're a religious nut, that explains your fanatical devotion to a ridiculous fantasy.

    "You asmodeus seem to be back peddling and skirting around the fact thesource66 claimed he personally knows and served with Dux"

    I'm not back pedaling (learn to spell) or skirting around anything. I never even mentioned thesource66's comments.

    "Here is how it is all relevant to this article since it escapes you"

    Oh I read the article, and none of it "escaped me". I just saw right through it. And I'm done talking to you since it is patently clear that you are a paranoid mouthbreather with his tongue so far up Dux's ass that anything you say will be bullshit. Goodbye and enjoy your stay on kungfucinema.com. Feel free to respond to this and hurl all the insults and accusations you want at me. I won't bother replying to your trolling. Loser.
  • Winston2
    To asmodeos my focus to be discussed is how thesource66 got caught lying ... and liars are morons in my book because sooner or later they have to face a higher authority than public opinion...

    You asmodeus seem to be back peddling and skirting around the fact thesource66 claimed he personally knows and served with Dux for three years and then went off and made a libelous and injurious statement.

    Here is how it is all relevant to this article since it escapes you, the article states:

    "Over the years, Frank’s involvement in ninjitsu has caused many to question his credibility. I asked him why all of these “internet ninjas” attack his reputation. “There’s a lot of people who engage in what’s called trade libel and they want to have everybody in the world feeling like they are the only legitimate martial artist of that ilk. Anyone with knowledge in that area, they attack them. It’s like one guy saying, ‘I’m the last Indian and all of these other Indian nations are full of shit. I’m the only real one.’”
  • asmodeus
    Again, morons like you supporting Dux only weakens any argument in his favor. You haven't "discussed" one thing, intelligently or otherwise...all you've done is personally attacked anyone who has dared to doubt Frank Dux's claims.
  • Gati
    Uhh, you say that you want to discuss the subject intelligently and be serious minded about it? But then you turn around and resort to silly name calling, arguing dumb semantics(soldier/marine) and making juvenile sex jokes.

    Maybe you don't belong in an intelligent conversation after all, especially if you are going to resort to sounding like a 10 year old with issues.

    As for the article itself, I can't really judge. A lot of it sounds sensationalist and pretty out there and I'm not inclined to believe a lot of it myself.
  • Lake
    I call BS on the UFC statements. In the 90's, it was exactly like the Kumite. But the dopes in DC were horrified so it was almost shutdown. So they had to modify it to what it is now.

    http://www.slate.com/id/46344/
  • mistermjones2000
    I agree with you. That is exactly how I remember it.
  • thesource66
    bloodsport IS all fiction.
  • kalis44
    Well, there IS actually a guy named Frank Dux, who claims the events showed in the movie actually happened in some shape or form...

    So because, there IS actually this guy on gods green earth, it is not ALL fiction. The rest of the story may be hocus pocus, but the charakter JCVD portrayed is based on somebody. A fact, I was not aware of at all. ...all I was saying. Get it?. Good.
  • kalis44
    Geez, guys... Calm down, please! This is gettin crazy...

    To be honest, I did not know anything about Dux. Thought, Bloodsport was all fiction. Was just lookin for a good website on MA-Movies.

    I still don't know what to believe, but still - a good read. Good job with this article. Enjoyed reading it. An intriguing story indeed. True or not...
  • Kalis,

    Thanks...
  • thesource66
    and winston2. you know as much about soldiering as a pig knows about flying. why dont you get your head out your ass and get your ass out of your parents basement, you stupid piece of shit.
  • thesource66
    kungfufighting..youre an idiot.
  • Mac_64
    wow source66 that's pretty bold stuff.
  • thesource66
    I was stationed with frank dux for 3 years and i can say one thing for sure. He is a liar. i saw him get his ass kicked at a bar. and afterwards he called the cops on the guy who hit him. he never did a tour anywhere! much less a combat zone. he is a bold faced liar and an embarasment to any one who ever served in the US military.
  • Winston2
    The only bold faced liar here is you thesource66 -

    Beginning with your talking about your soldiering with Frank Dux?....

    He wasn't a soldier he was a Marine moron, SEMPER FI!

    Get along you dawggie... Shit for brains

    Dux D214 lists him as Intelligence Specialist. What does your list you as? Do you even have a DD214? Put up or shut up!

    My wife says she was stationed with you for three years, too... Disneyland, Fantasy Land? Mr Toads ride..

    Hey everybody, we now all know thesource66 is the one REALLLY full of it.

    Why? Because NO MARINE WOULD EVER MAKE THAT MISTAKE OF REFERRING TO HIS TIME OR INFANTRY TRAINING OR SERVICE AS SOLDIERING!

    Time to put away your whack mags and end your porno subscriptions and take your blue pills... I know you too can buy a DVD and learn the Ninja secrets and be a 20th degree black belt like Hatsumi...LOL,

    Go circle jerk somewhere else and leave us who are serious minded to discuss the subject intelligently, instead of being distracted by a juvenile liar like you thesource66... what you really got against Dux? Why do resort to making your wild shit up... don't tell me your days on the Disney tea cups is why you are clearly spun, and unbalanced... LOL
  • thesource66
    look you fucking idiot. soldiering is what you do not what branch you were
    in. and of course i have a DD214. ITS YOUR FUCKING DISCHARGE FORM! you
    really dont know shit, do you? you think because you saw a movie its fact.
    let me guess, you think the characters on your star wars pajamas are real
    to. and as far as you having a wife? HA! if her name was dave i might find
    that believeable. so you think if you kiss enough of dux fat ass he might
    let you suck his dick? good luck.
  • Mac_64
    Didn't say he was a bad person don't believe the book he wrote .
  • Winston2
    Oh, please.. are you a CIA photo expert on weaponry or repeating the allegations and insinuations made by Soldier of Fortune magazine that got sued for libel and slander?

    Did you consider that in order to file his complaint (available on-line) Frank Dux had to prove what they said about him was false, first?

    His book was published by a mainstream firm HarperCollins so his work product is vetted for substantiated truth.

    Let me help you out here... what year does the pic of Dux say it was taken? What country was it taken in?... or even if it was taken in the field, at all? ..

    It doesn't say so you are jumping to conclusions based on no info, aren't you?

    Now stop and think even if what you are saying is absolutely true... Since he was a covert op as his book states and as identified by Iran Contra Insider under penalty of perjury, means his modus operandi would be his using non-attributable uniforms and weapons... so when you come to think of it your own argument proves his claims are true not the other way around, doesn't it Mac_64?
  • medeforest
    Hi All! I've known Frank since 1998 when I had a publishing business. He was a personal guest in my home. I can say that martial arts aside, he is a good human being. At the time my daughters were five and seventeen. The latter is mentally and physically handicapped. Frank was visiting in conjunction with a possible book deal we were working on, he could have spent the entire time talking about how great he is, how great the book would do, etc., etc. But he did not! We talked business a couple of hours and the rest of the time he just kicked back and enjoyed the family. He had great empathy for my older daughter and was playful with the younger. I cannot vouch for any of the martial arts stories of the past, but I can say that up to this day he is a decent human being. I hope the same can be said of the rest of us.
  • Holy Smokes! This guy needs to write his memoirs. What an amazing story. This guys endlessly fascinating...
  • Mac_64
    I apologize for seemingly upsetting some readers with my comments about Mr Dux.That's all I can do.I have no idea about his MA background.I do have the copy of his book right in front of me.In the picture I'm looking at as I type He's wearing a type of fatigues that had not yet been made for almost half a decade NEXT to a modified Ruger 10/22 (a particular after-market stock,also at least several years before it was available) As for 3rd world countries preach on W2 I spent close to 6 yrs in every crap hole the us army went to between 82-91 so I get it! as for no names your names not on here either now is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have a nice day( Oh and before you go preaching about me, I'll tell ya I was just a lowly 11B not an almighty super soldier)
  • Winston2
    Your right my name isn't here... and that's my point... so all we have is reason and logic to go by and personal testimonials like thesource66 don't mean sh....t...especially, since he has given himself away. I'm interested in the facts... not opinions... not assumptions... or hearsay that muddles the facts.

    Let me help you out here... again, lets discuss this... intelligently

    What year does the pic of Dux say it was taken? 1983

    What country was it taken in?... Doesn't say

    Does it even say if it was taken in the field and that he was a US Navy SEAL or SPEC OPS, at all? NO, it doesn't say... Just says:

    "Down in the trenches in 1983. The .357 was the sidearm that distinguished special unit personnel"

    The S&W .357 was issued to Special Anti-terror unit, SEAL Team 6, a fact confirmed by its founder Lt. Cmdr. Marchinko also called a fake by SOF magazine but as you can read for yourself Dux makes no such claims of being part of any US military special unit in his book.

    How you can make out the rifle in the pic is a ruger 10/22 or the stock for that matter is beyond me given the photo's size is an old black and white 2 x 3" and graininess makes details like imprint brand and type of stock illegible.

    In fact, according to the book in front of you Dux says he was a contract agent (just like Black Water personnel, Top Canopy, E Systems, etc.who wear outdated uniforms or none at all)... so why do you support some kind of injurious statement asserting as if he did by your calling attention to the pic in front of you as some kind of proof of this, at all?

    The fact is from my perspective of having just read the book you are either intentionally misleading others to serve an ulterior motive or you're repeating something you heard or read somewhere else, like SOF sued for libel and slander.

    The fact you bring it up at all when we are talking about Bloodsport, is suspect.

    Therefore, I put it to you most respectfully your representations are deeply flawed when you are representing Dux offrered up this picture as some kind of proof of being in SpecOps when he says just the opposite in his book.

    Now, let me put it to you once more.

    Stop and consider even if what you are saying is absolutely true... Since he was a covert op as his book states (and as he is identified under penalty of perjury by Iran Contra Insider who was its paymaster, the right person in the position to know), means his modus operandi would dictate his using non-attributable DOD uniforms and weapons...

    So when you come to think of it your own argument that nothing fits US military profile actually supports his claims as true and not the other way around, doesn't it Mac_64? C'mon I chewed my fair share of dirt... If you were there then you know how these guys are innocuous... how they really operate, c'mon admit it.
  • Winston2
    AWESOME ARTICLE!

    About time someone is reporting the WHOLE TRUTH. I am tired of these internet trolls who spin the little facts they do cite, committed to trying to drown out the FACTS by inventing or repeating false accusations and hyperbole of others - just like what the Nazi's did in 1920's and Taliban did to to their political enemies to come to and secure their power. Magicians have a word for this deceit it is called misdirection... more simply put cut a fart and accuse someone else to hide your own stink.... and so the mindless trolls spew and smell of sh...because they are obviously full of it. At least, that is what my own research is unveiling. Wikipedia what a deceptive device of propaganda... no one can edit it, really, put up the REAL FACTS.

    Sure his story may seem bigger than life but if a guy told you he walked on the moon you'd say yeah sure... that is unless you recognized his name was Neal Armstrong. Why do we believe a man even walked on the moon because of all the people it took to get him there. The same holds true here with Dux... he talks openly about the people that helped him get where he was and court records prove it, too.

    Too bad it took a lawsuit to establish other people were making things up. It unfortunately will never undo the lies being told and retold that prevents us from hearing the man out and being made richer by it... there is something to be learned from his struggle if you stop to hear the subtext of what he is saying.
  • asmodeus
    People continue to doubt Dux partly because of this type paranoid ranting from his "supporters". Comparing Dux's detractors to the Taliban and Nazis is offensively stupid, and implying that anyone who doubts his credentials is advancing their own agenda is pathetic.

    The fact that Dux's supporters feel the need to so strenuously defend all of his claims only serves to weaken them.
  • You at least have to give the skeptics the fact that it is a big pill to swallow. I think most of us would agree that when you start talking to the true warriors, the life-long martial arts experts, they don't brag, nor do many of them even talk much about all thier accomplishments. They don't need to. It's the people who think they have to prove something that usually talk big. I don't know exactly what to think, although I want to believe he is legit. I think he would lend credibility to skeptics if at least tried to sound humble about it. In martial arts, or anything else, if you make claims that large, and so many, the way you communicate it will really affect what people think, regardless of wether it is true or not.
  • Winston2
    Bragging? Excuse me its an interview, right? Have you ever met the man? Where and how in this article do you form the basis he isn't being humble? I think if you met him you'd know he isn't out there propping himself up... is he selling videos online, advertising himself... NO! He is just stating the facts - answering questions.

    Your comment seems to me to be an underhanded allegation and a slight intended to mislead others and plant a false impression is what I take from this. What is your agenda, really?
  • chrisbashaw
    BTW
    Take what you read on Bullshido with a grain of salt. They are hate mongers who do not believe in the truth; but make up something they want to pass off as the truth.

    Want to know more about Frank? All you have to do is contact him and ask.
  • skyb98168
    Great Article for a Great Man. I applaud Clarke because he is someone who has actually taken the time out to research and post the verified facts and get Dux side of the story, as well. After being taught by Frank Dux for over 27 years I have seen many incredible feats that a lot of people say never or couldn't happen. Some of his critics even appear credible by citing sources that also appear credible but the reality is, the WHOLE TRUTH be told they all were shown in court proceedings of libel and slander to have based their allegations on sources that were shown to have made it all up. The sources cited being the LA Times, SOF magazine, Stolen Valor.

    Court transcripts and exhibits (available online) prove this to be the case. Unfortunately the people who control his wikipedia article, bullshido articles, are one in the same and all benefit by the lies. So they wont allow the REAL TRUTH to be known.

    Again, like with this article the proof is out there about Frank Dux! Everything is made available online at http://fasstduxryu.com/Facts.html
  • Mac_64
    Are you kidding me? I read this guy's book years ago.It was complete hogwash.He actually has pictures of himself in "undisclosed secret locations" carrying a freakin modified 10/22 in suppposed combat,he's a poser of the highest order.....PERIOD!
  • Winston2
    Hey Mac, why you hiddin' behind an alias? We are sick of you trolls... I saw the same pic in SOF sued for libel and slander...what makes you think it was his rifle cause it is next to him... Ever think maybe it belongs to the dead bastard in the hole... you know what part of the world that pic was taken in? Third world they use anything that shoots you ass..uming moron...
  • docsinda
    This is a fascinating in depth article about Frank W.Dux and His Military Career. Kudos to the Writer You do Excellent Wordsmith work.Wow, The Moshe Katz.
    I enjoyed His Commentary. I remember him well.I've talked to Living GrandMasters.They All concure that Frank has achieved Skills Far and Above to be Recognized as a Living GrandMaster, Icon.
    Frank was just indoctrinated as An Original Lifetime Member to The Black Dragon's Society.Everyone talked about Franks Skills and Ability.Shalom,
    If You were impressed then, you should be even more impressed now.As his Records have held up to Time.More Articles are coming out all the time Around the World about Frank W.Dux.The Man,Martial Artist,Humanitarian.
  • moshekatz
    Very interesting, important, and inspirational. I know Frank and his brother and I consider them honest men of integrity. I also had the privilege of training with Shidoshi Dux and although I am not at a level to judge his skills, I was certainly very impressed.

    Moshe Katz
    Head Instructor, IKI
  • chrisbashaw
    I like what I read. I have been working with Frank, as he is a chapter in my soon to be released book, "Shinobi: Modern Ninjutsu Pioneers" http://shinobi-book.webs.com/

    I have also had a chance to meet with Frank and the original BDFS members present at the kumite.

    Frank is the real deal; humanitarian, martial artist, fighter, ninja. Much of his past which could not be released now is able to, my book just one of a few sources revealing truth.

    I am happy to see many of the actual truth about Frank id being revealved. Up until recently much of the BS written about was not only untrue but hurtful in many ways. As time progresses more of the truth will be revealed and the BS quelched.
  • Whydoesitmatter?
    Hey lets put Frank Dux vs Jason Statham vs Rain vs Keanu Reeves vs Jay Chou, they are all action stars right??!! smh...

    Seriously though i hate hearing stuff like this, its sad the way hollywood ruins careers or MAKES careers based on lies...
  • asmodeus
    I thought Frank Dux was exposed as a sham artist years ago. People still buy his routine?
  • jetnar
    Now I'm curious. I read his book "The secret man", now i wonder how much in this book is true. Some things in the book are different to what he is saying now.
  • Winston2
    I read his book recently and I don't find anything in it any different.

    Nice try at planting a lie...

    So are you one of his business competitors?

    One of those creeps on Vanguard white supremacy types, or bullshido that makes its money by trashing and bullying others by trying to pretend they expose martial art fraud by committing it themselves like on Dux, apparently? Who have links to Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales website and maybe this explains why wikipedia has gotten away with keeping all the real facts off Frank Dux article page...

    I say this because I came across researchers who referred me to some really good sites that expose the lies used to smother the truth about Frank Dux.

    Go to:

    http://kogaryuninjutsuint.blogspot.com/2009/07/...

    http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/bloodsp...

    www.fasstdurxyu.com
  • Frank Dux has been exposed as a complete fraud which saddens me cuz I thought he was great as a matter of fact I still think hes great and exposed martial arts to many people but it still sucks to think of him as a liar, check Bullshido for info on this here's a link
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?...
  • thechairman
    Bullshido is just that BullShito. The facts refute what that website says. Many have come forth and testified that Frank Dux is the real deal. Bullshido is for wanabes and those who would love to believe that Hanshi Frank Dux isn't real.

    The CIA, Military and many other credible sources ( even Black Belt Magazine) have testified that Mr Dux is not lying but in fact understating what he has done.

    There will be many new articles out soon. Even a well researched book. All will put forth testimony ( even before Congress) and evidence that refute sites like Bullshido.
  • tikkiexx
    wow! that was eye opening. ive always kind of doubted Mr. Dux,s story but that websight completely exposes him. are any of his claims true? man what a dissapointment.
  • Lmartins
    Frank and Jean Claude should reconsolidate! they both are respected people from different backgrounds. I think it can only be benefitial.

    The editor of this interview should get this thought across to them if hes got the chance to.

    All the best!
  • mistermjones2000
    While 1988's BLOODSPORT was in fact, Jean Claude Van Damme's first starring role, no one in the martial arts community missed his 1986 performance as the Russian opponent in the well received NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER. At least I know I didn't.
  • stdthagreat
    “Bolo Yueng looks like a pussycat compared to the real Chong Li,”

    Yeah f'n right. A little bit over exaggeration there.
  • kenshido
    TRUE DAT.
    THE MAN IS A TANK.
    BEING A "MARTIAL ARTS MASTER" DOESN'T MEAN YOUR OVER EXAGGERATION PROOF. QUITE POSSIBLE HES BEING DRAMATIC.
  • crooki
    Just one set of movements on video would lend any sort of credibility to his story. A very high level of conditioning is rarely undocumented. hmm
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