Hollywood’s lost art of film fighting

By Mark Pollard | Published October 2, 2009

THE MARK OF ZORRO (1920)

Guardian film critic Anne Billson’s latest entry in a series of articles on film looks at what she affectionately calls “lunkhead action movies,” the kind serious critics scoff at, and Hollywood filmmakers’ inability to shoot quality fight sequences when compared with recent foreign actioners like DISTRICT 13: ULTIMATUM, IP MAN and ONG BAK 2.

She points out what screen fighting fans typically want to see but rarely do in modern action films. It can all be boiled down to what she describes as “real people going at it mano-a-mano …. I want to see the choreography, preferably from a fixed camera position with minimal editing.”

Of course, Anne and many others are keenly aware that many of the stars appearing in today’s action movies are lacking the training necessary to perform quality screen fighting in front of a fixed camera. It takes years of hands-on experience, months of pre-production preparation and weeks to shoot great fight sequences.

Filmmakers and stars unqualified to be involved in screen fighting action have been able to hide behind the artifice of stylized editing which is stilled viewed by some as an advancement. I shudder at the thought. With few artistic exceptions, it’s a gimmick, a fad born from trendiness and the necessity to mask inferior abilities on the part of the stunt coordinator, stuntmen, director, or actors involved or perhaps it is something else. Perhaps the shift from live choreography to post-production editing is the desire of film directors to want to maintain control of something they really don’t understand.

Hong Kong gave rise to the position of “action director,” a filmmaker who understood screen fighting but also possessed the ability to handle the camera, direct the entire sequence and then edit it together. Their success depended on the ability to conceptualize a fight sequence and see it through from start to finish, even if another director oversaw the rest of the film. I suspect that many Hollywood filmmakers today are reticent to give this much control away to their stunt choreographers. Yet they still may not understand how to shoot or edit a fight sequence and try to do so anyway.

Anne closes her article with a hopeful note by reminding us that old action warhorses like Sylvester Stallone are still with us and trying to carry the torch, particularly with THE EXPENDABLES. It’s fitting given Stallone’s intent.

Stallone has been in touch with his fans and understands that those who grew up in the ’70s or ’80s are generally not satisfied with computer effects and stylized editing replacing good old fashioned stunt work. It’s like replacing sugar cane with corn syrup or The Clash with Green Day. Once you’ve had a taste of the real thing, no substitute will do and I’m willing to bet that if younger generations could see more of the real deal in a modern context they’ll feel the same way. That’s why action filmmaking needs to get back to the business of producing real action with real stunts and real screen fighting. Forget the “serious” critics or the pop trends. Seeing real skills in action is what energizes audiences and keeps them buzzing long after the curtain closes.

There is the real possibility that great stunt work and screen fighting will indeed become a lost art, at least as we’ve known it for the past three decades. Film history tells us that cinema greats like Buster Keaton, Douglas Fairbanks and Bruce Lee are irreplaceable, just as some of cinema’s great action directors are. Yet history also tells us that so long as the legacy of great action and screen fighting legends survive, someone driven and talented like Jackie Chan, Tsui Hark or Quentin Tarantino will step forth to pay homage to past action film masters and perhaps in the process rekindle broader interest in making great action and fight scenes again. That’s a pop trend I would like to see.

  • depressed32
    its not only fight scenes that suffer from this mtv style technique of filming.see the opening scene from quantum of solace for an example. its very rare now to find films that show fight or action scenes where you can actually see what is happening. they seem to put so much effort into getting them right but you dont see the effort in the on screen action.never mind,iguess this is just a sign of the times.
  • Simon Wyndham
    Spot on. I wouldn't go so far as having a locked off stativ camera. The camera can certainly be involved, but subtly. Look at the way Shaws Bros fights were shot once Lau Kar Leung hit his peak.

    I think that another problem is that modern stunt guys simply aren't capable of the intircacy needed. There is a false notion that all screen fighting has to have big round kicks and punches and that smaller movements don't work. Hopefully Ip Man put paid to that notion. But most stunt guys simply cannot do anything outside of Taekwondo and Karate style movements.

    Expressing power with short hitting styles like Wing Chun is very hard indeed, and having the skill to be able to perform intricate redirects is harder still. Most stunt guys I have met tense up far too much. Instead os 'showing' power they actually try to be powerful and it restricts their movement and ability to do anything other than big Mungo punches and kicks.

    This is why people like Jackie Chan often have difficulty with people that we previously thought might be quite good.

    Shame that the Zero G guys or Eric Jacobus and his guys can't get hired to handle whole MA sequences in bigger films.

    The other trouble is time and money. Gone are the days of taking months to shoot fights. Prodigal Son took two years to make. The fights are great because they did them until they got them right. It is cheaper to fake the fights with angles and editing, and also a lot more insurance friendly.

    Granted we do have Isaac Florentine, but there's none of the soul of films like SPL. In fact SPL should be shown to all Hollywood types, or at least the fight between Donnie and Wu Jing. The lighting, the music, the framing, the editing, the choreography, all work in perfect unison.
  • darrinkemp
    I both agree and disagree. The moment someone in hollywood sees SPL's fights it will become flavor of the month.That means what you'll get is half assed bullshit versions of it.Plus Hong Kong seems to more and more be going in the same direction as far as untrained people trying to look trained.Everybody say Vaness Wu.I think you're right as far as the stuntmen.Way too much fairly genaric karate and taekwondo.And the default seting on kung fu is modern wushu.Look at the Bourne films,Matt Damon only knows some basic boxing and afew basic kicks but decent coreography and his ability to sell his techniques makes him look compitent.
  • I like REAL action
    I would love to see properly choreographed and performed action sequences/fight scenes with a fixed camera. Even when the actor is not up to the job it can still be done (take a good look at Jackie Chan's films where the actors are often doubled - good camera angles, and choreography hides it). I think there is also an element of directors coming to movies from directing music videos which are all about the quick cut and "creative" camera angles. OK for music videos but sickening when they make a whole movie like that (thinking of the 3rd installment of the Bourne movies). I find myself shouting "Hold the camera STILL" at the screen because of the whirly whirly camera movements and quick cuts.

    There is also a bit of a fashion for the hand-held jerky look at the moment as well - spawned by The Blair Witch Project no doubt - which IMO the sooner it goes the better. Jerky hand-held movies are OK for your home movies of the holidays no-one wants to watch - again not cool on the big screen.

    The last aspect is the one of attention span of the viewers. Hollywood has this idea that western audiences can't watch a fight sequence over a few seconds - I have no idea where they got the idea from in the first place - and I can't help wondering if the pervasive problem with ADD isn't in part aided by this belief that people can't concentrate for more than a few seconds at time.

    Look at classic greats - the cuts/takes in those movies were long - Fred Astaire would do 5 minute long dance sequences in one take without a cut/edit. And now you get 2 seconds cut 1 punch cut duck cut jump cut - it's ridiculous! It makes the fight sequence lack any continuity, and in reality removes the need for good choreography because it can be set up quickly - ok this angle punch, CUT, change the angle, ok duck and turn, CUT - no-one actually needs to know what they are doing and no-one watching knows what they are doing - you are so dizzy from the quick cuts and quick action that your eye can't see and your brain can't process. You just know something happened and there is nothing to appreciate.
  • darrinkemp
    The biggest problem is the stereotypical way that martial arts are thought of by hollywood.They seem to think that all martial arts mean high kicking.I myself am a Northern kung fu stylist and I say no need for high kicks all the time.Show a southern style or good boxing or good wrestling.Most so called experts in hollywood really don't know shit.Put that together with a director who dosn't know shit and producers who don't know shit along with egos that won't let them admit that they don't know shit and guess what you get? Shit. But hey at least we have Isaac Florentine. :D
  • darrinkemp
    It's nice to know that I'm not alone in this feeling that the most expensive movie industry on earth can (should) do this shit much better than they do.
  • Justin Weier
    I agree, it doesn't entertain, it is the big explosions and colour, and how many flips you can get a hot chick to do on wires.
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