By | Published November 24, 2008

UPDATE: The Weinstein Company has issued a statement regarding the state of Dragon Dynasty’s release schedule and to counter any suggestion that the label is going out of business, something I did not intend to suggest in the following article. In response, I have altered or removed a couple lines that could be described as entirely speculative and potentially misleading.

Citing the general tone of the article and its assessment of Dragon Dynasty, as well as a write up on another blog that shall remain unnamed, Bey Logan, The Weinstein Company’s Vice President of Asian Acquisitions & Co-Production denied any suggestion that Dragon Dynasty is “going under” and stated that none of the Dragon Dynasty staff were laid off in TWC’s recent cut backs. He went on to address concerns about the label’s release schedule and offer assurances that more titles are on the way.

“We have been taking stock, both as The Weinstein Company and as Dragon Dynasty, after our first cycle of business. We now have a very solid idea of what sells, and what does not, in the North American market, and we’re adjusting our acquisition and release plans accordingly.”

“We have SUPERCOP ready for release. I have already recorded a commentary and shot interviews with Jackie and Stanley for it. We have PROTEGE and JET LI’S THE ENFORCER (aka MY FATHER IS A HERO) ready to go, and I’m recording commentaries for them next week. We have further Shaw titles, further Harvest ones, EMPRESS AND HER WARRIORS, and a bunch of classic Jet Li films to release, and we are still aggressively pursuing titles for acquisition.”

Logan’s public statement confirms that Dragon Dynasty will be kicking out more titles in 2009. Off the record, he also gave credible reasons for why a couple of the label’s previously announced titles have been indefinitely delayed. While this is all reassuring, there is still reason to be concerned about Dragon Dynasty’s future in an increasingly uncertain environment.

The future is not looking bright for home video label Dragon Dynasty and its upcoming slate of Asian action releases. From a dwindling release schedule and distributor Genius Products’ stock dip to mere pennies per share to parent entity The Weinstein Company’s legal and commercial setbacks as well as the current state of the economy and the home video market in general, the label is facing tough challenges heading into its third year in operation.

The most immediate concern is that Dragon Dynasty’s release schedule has practically ground to a halt. After a slow start late in 2006, DD hit a relatively stable stride the following year by releasing on average two movies per month despite some delays. This included a mix of classic titles such as KING BOXER and ABOVE THE LAW and new releases like DRAGON SQUAD and CITY OF VIOLENCE. Their price point was high and collectors grumbled about poor subtitle translations and similar technical details that failed to meet expectation but the label’s strength remained its impressive collection of bonus content packaged with each release along with a reliably professional presentation.

Then in 2008, the schedule slowed to roughly one title per month with more delays, yet we still saw some of DD’s best output with feature-rich reissues of FIST OF LEGEND and two more Shaw Brothers classics, as well as Donnie Yen’s FLASH POINT.

By third quarter, the label stalled altogether and nothing has been seen since THE REBEL in September, this being their best release in two years of operation. POLICE STORY 3: SUPERCOP is supposedly coming in early 2009, which would nicely cap releases of the two previous movies in the series. However, dozens of other acquisitions including John Woo’s THE KILLER, Golden Harvest’s HAPKIDO, and over 40 Shaw Brothers classics remain in limbo.

Taking a broader view, DD’s outlook looks worse. Most recently, TWC has laid off 24 jobs or 11% of its staff in the wake of the rising economic crisis which is now having an impact on Hollywood. Variety reports that cuts took place in all departments including the U.K. and Hong Kong, although no offices or departments were closed.

Genius Products, distributor of the Dragon Dynasty titles, as well as a slew of other labels including IFC Films and Tartan Films, has seen its shares in stock lose over half their value this year. TWC owns 70% of this company and had envisioned the venture being a source of supplemental income to bolster their main theatrical distribution arm. Now it’s looking more like a money pit but that’s not the only headache for Harvey Weinstein.

Harvey Weinstein is embroiled in a messy court case over the hit reality TV series PROJECT RUNWAY that is keeping it off the air. A VIP social networking site he set up is floundering. A fashion label he co-owns is getting weak reviews. A pop culture internet and cable TV venture he planned with Jay-Z and Sean “Puffy” Combs has suffered a stillbirth.

Some critics suggest that Weinstein, once an indie movie powerhouse in Hollywood and Oscar magnet who shared in the breakout successes of hipster filmmakers like Quentin Tarantino and Kevin Smith, is spreading himself too thin by getting involved in too many different ventures too quickly. This may be having some impact on Weinstein’s commitment to releasing Asian action films on home video and we may be seeing the effects now. Yet a slow economy also means less home video sales in general and a drop in DVD sales has been a trend for several years now, even before the economic crisis hit.

This trend comes at a difficult time when audiences are still waiting for the next generation of international Asian action talents to step in to take the place of aging stars like Jet Li, Jackie Chan and Chow Yun-fat. A reality that dedicated genre fans and film collectors need to face is that without fresh blood to attract new audiences – even in a healthy economy – the market for classic martial arts and action films on home video will continue to shrink, forcing investors to put their money elsewhere and opportunitistic bootleggers to continue to drive what’s left of the genre into a second-rate video hell.

As much as I enjoy the bonus content on Dragon Dynasty releases I believe it is essential that given the current state of the home video market, the label needs to scale back their operation and focus on getting quality discs released on time and consistently while at a price point that is competitive. That means an SRP of no more than $15 with bonus content that adds no cost or delays. If they are able, TWC needs to license their Asian films to Netflix so Xbox360 and PC owners can watch these films on demand. Cable and HD TV licensing should also be optioned if that hasn’t happened already. If all else fails, TWC should sell off Asian film assets to another company with a more stable and conservative business model.

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  • soulborn

    This sucks!

    Let’s cross our fingers and hope they will survive.

  • sowutifmahsnsux

    but…the world NEEDS Bey Logan commentaries!!!

  • bap_tize

    this would truly suck if dd was discontinued. that would be 40 shaw titles pushed back even further, hopefully if they cant release them they’ll give them to image or media blasters. it still will suck to not to be able to see police story 3 or the killer or king of beggers. hopefully the future looks better for them.

  • WEJ

    But…we need DD, how else will I ever see Ong Bak 2 (assuming it finishes and all) with real subtitles and all!!

    Oh wait, the same way I saw Chocolate, via youtube!

  • carl

    First Hong Kong Legends now them.
    This is very bad. :(

  • perry

    DAM BUSH MESSED IT UP FOR US KUNG FU MOVIE FANS-WORSE PRESIDENT EVER!!!!!!

  • jaywong

    Well you got to blame someone, why not the president.

  • CaptainBoosh

    It really comes down to how many hardcore fans there are, what titles they release, and at what prices.

    How many of us are there that will support this business? And, of us, how many buy ALL titles? I for one do not. I do own about a dozen titles, but can not afford to buy them all, especially the ones I have not seen or aren’t the top tier.

    Sadly, I already own HK releases of some crossover titles (Flashpoint, Invisible Target, Fatal Contact), and would not purchase them again. And the only reason I bought the HK version was I didn’t want to wait an unknown time til I might be able to see a R1 release. I wouldn’t buy either of these titles if I could go back. SO I RENT THE RE-RELEASES AND THE ONES I’M NOT SURE OF.

    I rented City of Violence and Heroes of the East, and they were so good I went and bought them afterwards. But The Rebel, The Banquet, Dog Bite Dog, Dragon Squad are just not worth owning. I have seen them all with commentary, but I don’t have the money, time, or reason to buy them.

    I buy the ones I have waited for (Fist of Legend, Police Story’s, one day The Killer), but they can’t expect us to buy the second and third rate stuff. I would if I had a lot of money to help support them, but I just can’t. And I bet that is the issue a lot of us have.

    Slow the releases to the meaningful stuff and the Shaw catalog, and sales will be on a higher margin, but maybe less total volume.

    I really am curious what the total sales are for some releases. Like Fist of legend. In the tens of thousands? Or less, or more? I have no idea how many people actually buy these things. We are dedicated, but how many of us are there?

  • Rhythm-X

    If they’d stop screwing up the fundamental stuff (lousy subtitles, no original mono audio, releasing cut versions of films, stupid title changes) I’d buy more of their DVDs. I don’t care what Brett Ratner has to say about POLICE STORY. I care about why POLICE STORY looks noticably worse than the HK disc from the same master.

  • Michael Jones

    The bottom line on Dragon Dynasty is we wanted the Shaws Brothers were promised the Shaw Brothers and were not given the Shaw Brothers. What is a staff of “experts” if they are clueless??? ( They didn’t know DRAGON SQUAD was crap?)

  • CaptainBoosh

    What I do know is that for certain older films (mainly just Shaw), Celestial Pictures are the ones doing the re-mastering and subtitles etc. Even though people always say, “Hey, Bey Logan knows Cantonese, how can the subtitles be so wrong?” Well, unfortunately, he doesn’t have anything to do with that. He does acquisitions and puts together all the wonderful special features etc. The transfer themselves isn’t ever handled by the Weinstein’s, which could be the underlying problem. But it is expensive, so. . .

  • Andre Prioleau

    I think that it is pretty disappointing that DD could possibly be going downhill. But I Strongly believe that if they released movies people want to see(ex. The Killer, A Better Tomorrow, Fatal Move, and the other 36th chamber movies)instead of non action movies like Dog Bite Dog then they would not have to worry about this downfall. Plus I still need to hear the commentaries by Bey Logan, they are the best. He can pick someone out of the background of a movie and know what they have done for there entire career

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnafirth John Firth

    When HKL/Premier Asia went down the spout, I was very disappointed. I own about 50 of their releases, and there were a few unreleased discs I really wanted (the 2-disc reissues of Snake in the Eagle’s Shadow and Drunken Master spring to mind immediately, mainly for Mike Leeder’s interview with Hwang Jang Lee). Tartan have gone down too, and Dragon Dynasty doing the same would be a great shame (except for internet elitists, that can’t accept that the mainstream buyer is who needs to be convinced to buy the discs, not the longtime HK fan, who knows the actors and directors).

    Unfortunately, releasing HK movies that don’t star guys like Jackie Chan or Jet Li can be a bit of a gamble. Can Michelle Yeoh carry a DVD release on her own, or one of the newer guys like Daniel Wu? Ideally, I’d love to see them all come out, will enough people buy them to avoid the disc making a loss?

  • chen lung

    It’s actually Brian White who’s in charge of the DVD aspects, not Bey Logan. However, Bey does contribute to extras by conducting interviews, commentaries, Location Guides and part (or fully?) responsible for acquiring content.

  • Anthony

    They need to release the whole UNCUT version to release! And then everything will be good!

  • http://None DeathNoticeWarrior

    I think Bey Logans Commentaries should stop.No I am not a Bey logan hater.I think getting more Behind The Scenes stuff would really help save money & help with the DvD pricing.Getting goood studio space were they do the work must be costing a arm & leg.
    And paying someone to help out with the script/facts & stuff too.
    Besides it just slows release dates.

    Behind The Scenes stuff puts your eyes right in the action.You see the stars looks after shots & getting comments on how good/fun or bad it really is.
    Just think about extras from some of your fav films.
    Also I think most films have massive BHS stuff & all they need to do is subtitle it.

  • Rhythm-X

    So… if Dragon Dynasty doesn’t have any say in what their subtitles look like, then why are the subtitles different from the ones on the Hong Kong discs of FLASH POINT and COME DRINK WITH ME and the ROYAL TRAMP films? And why are the translations worse instead of better? Gibberish subtitles are supposed to appeal to the “mainstream buyer” (who isn’t interested in the films in the first place)? That’s not how it works.

    Don’t sell to the people you WISH were buying your product (but aren’t interested), at the expense of the people who actually WANT to buy it, but won’t because you keep screwing them over with releases that are plagued with easily-avoided, amateur-hour issues.
    That’s a loser’s game and a great way to poison word-of-mouth among the people you ought to be able to count on as money in the bank. It’s not like the core fans haven’t made what they want crystal clear or anything – and what they want is mostly common-sense stuff that they shouldn’t even have to ask for in the first place. It’s stuff that should be able to be taken for granted.

  • Moses

    I am a huge fan of what DD is trying to do. I support the movement and I do own every title (all 32). Some are definitely better than other but overall I appreciate what Bey Logan and the Weinstein group is doing by trying to bring some great movies from asian cinema to a wider audience, I would have to agree though that for many fans the prices are costly and sometimes the movies can be found before they are released officially on R1 discs. I hope they continue to release movies on dd. I agree with everyone who says more behind the scenes features and movies that are more popular and classic would be great ways to keep them running and fans supporting.

  • Jabmo

    I was very when I heard about Dragon Dynasty after HKL’s demise but the thing is a lot of what they intially released HKL already had released like the Police Story, Millionaire Express, Ong Bak, Crime Story With Bey Logan commentary so didnt see the use of buying these again. A lot of fans i assume must have done the same as the discs dont come cheap. I was rather hoping they release the rare gems that people want to watch and wud be willing to pay the price i.e DRUNKEN MASTER 2!! dying to get a good remastered uncut version of. That demands a 2disc special edition release. Only i hope Dragon Dynasty dont do it as they bound to mess the subs up

  • gunswordfist

    I hope DD doesn’t go under. They are the reason why I got to see SPL, Fatal Contact and then Flashpoint on my birthday. I do agree that they need to release more popular movies. I also wish they would release Grandmaster Jang Lee Hwang’s movies. I want to see Secret Rivals/2, Invisible Armor and all the films he directed/starred in.

  • Evil Twin

    This is the reason there are so many dirty pirates out there, who wouldn’t prefer to buy a nice remastered verson of “Disciples of the 36th Chamber” complete with both original audio and an english dubbed track? The Shaw titles are wanted and releasing more of the same Jet Li movies I don’t think would help the situation, may of us fans have these titles already. Not to say that if there isn’t a really better version out there fans would not get it. I understand that they need to reach other markets. What I suggest is this, release Duel Feature DVDs; for example, Jet Li’s Thi Chi Master and Shaw Brothers Return of the One-armed Swordsman. Now I’d be happy to cough up $18 to $24 for that!

  • SLEEPING WIZARD

    I HOPE DD DOES NOT GO UNDER EITHER AND WOULD WANT TO SEE
    MORE UP and COMING RELEASES. I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT PRICES CUZ I USUALLY SAVE THE MONEY B4 I GO OUT AND BUY IT; EVEN IF IT TAKES ME ALL MONTH LONG . IM A HUGE FAN OF MARTIAL ARTS AND MORE SO DRaGON DYNASTY. YALL CAN COMPLAIN ALL YE WANT BUT THIS AWESOME COMPANY SHOULD REMAIN TICKING!! UNTIL THEN LET UR BLADES CLASH AND UR FISTS COLLIDE CUZ WE RE IN 4 A LONG RIDE (HOPEFULLY)!

  • slave

    Oh it gets worst. You think Bush is bad? Barack Obama will ultimately fuck up this country with his socialism and his stupid stimulous mongolism. DEATH TO SOCIALISM!!!!!

  • Greg

    Dragon Dynasty is suffering from the same piss poor management and information sharing as any other company these days. Creating Facebook and Twitter accounts may be fine for a percentage of customers does not work for the bulk of consumers looking for DD info and movie release schedule.

    Why is it so difficult for DD to keep its web site updated as well as respond to inquries? Pure laziness will kill this company that has introduced some great martial arts flicks to the US.

    I hope that DD releases John Woo's “The Killer” on March 30, 2010 as expected because DD may just end up going away thanks to their own hands not the publics. I buy every DD movie and know many more that own all of them as well. Would really hate to see them go.