The Five Venoms (DVD – Dragon Dynasty)

By Mark Pollard | Published August 1, 2009

THE FIVE VENOMS (DVD - Dragon Dynasty) The Weinstein Company finally delivers its first Shaw Brothers film release in over a year on their Dragon Dynasty label with Chang Cheh’s kung fu classic THE FIVE VENOMS, re-titled THE 5 DEADLY VENOMS. Apart from the numerically-written value, this title matches the original English-dubbed edition released in the U.S. in 1981 by World Northal. It is perhaps fitting given that this DD release happens to include the original English dub as an optional track.

The print on this disc matches the print released by Hong Kong distributor Intercontinental Video Limited in 2003 with only minor technical differences. The picture has been fully remastered by Celestial Pictures and is crisp and vibrant. Color on the DD version appears slightly fuller (see screen cap comparison). DD’s running time is approximately four minutes longer. (I wasn’t able to run a side-by-side comparison to check for added scenes.)

DD includes two mono audio tracks (not counting the commentary) in Mandarin and the original English. As someone who originally grew up watching shapes kung fu films with English dubs produced from a select group of voice actors, I still prefer this to the Mandarin audio. Part of this reason is knowing that the Mandarin audio was dubbed as well, as were virtually all Hong Kong movie voice tracks in the 1970s. In contrast, IVL’s release includes artificially enhanced 5.1 surround remasters of the original Mandarin and Cantonese tracks.

THE FIVE VENOMS (DVD - Dragon Dynasty)

Based on a quick comparison, the English subtitles on the DD release appear to match the IVL version word for word. There are some awkward translations in this text but it’s still a viable alternative for English-speaking audiences who prefer to hear the Mandarin audio.

Looking under the hood, DD’s version is presented with the superior progressive scan whereas IVL’s version is interlaced. The difference is that interlaced scanning generally produces more horizontal distortion which is most noticeable on higher quality monitors. Looking at bitrates, the IVL version comes out ahead in numbers. DD’s video was recorded at 3.84Mbps whereas IVL’s is 7.74Mbps. DD’s audio bitrate was recorded at 192Kbps and IVL’s is at 384Kbps. Bear in mind that the extra audio data on the IVL release is exhibited in the added surround mastering.

DD has opted to go light on their bonus material this time around by only including an audio commentary with resident martial arts movie expert Bey Logan. This is a good thing. Sales of DD’s initial Shaw releases, which did include substantial bonus material, were below company expectations. I always felt that the time and money invested in upgrading these old school releases with interviews and other extras was generally a waste because the classic kung fu film market in the U.S. had already been well defined by the release of no-frills, budget DVDs. So long as the picture and/or audio are upgraded, buyers typically prefer quantity over quality. Hopefully, sales of THE FIVE VENOMS will be sufficient to convince DD to continue with this trend and actually speed up the release of their remaining Shaw titles. On a side note, DD seem to have dropped their “Special Collector’s Edition” label for single disc releases which is another good thing. This was potentially confusing because they never released any standard versions of DVDs, thus making their special editions less than special.

THE FIVE VENOMS (DVD - Dragon Dynasty)

Bey’s commentary is up to his usual high standard for providing a lightly entertaining mix of film facts, observations, insider perspective, and humor. While he continues to speak with a broad audience in mind, Bey also reveals a few interesting tidbits that may be new to genre buffs. There is mention of the rift between Chang Cheh and Lau Kar-leung. Bey also discusses Wing Chun stylist Leung Ting, who initially replaced Lau as a senior action director for several of Chang’s films. A shock to me was where Bey names an extra who turns out to be Chin Tsi-ang, one of China’s first female martial arts stars from the silent Shanghai era, who also happens to be Sammo Hung’s grandmother. Another startling revelation, at least for me, was learning that actor Lo Meng professed to have never used weights to build up or tone his muscles, but rather relied on his extensive martial arts training regime.

DD’s FIVE VENOMS release delivers precisely what it needs to for a classic kung fu release on DVD, a quality transfer of an equally quality remastered print with original language tracks in their original mono format. The packaging is bold, attractive and well-representative of the film. Given how long it’s taking TWC to roll out their 50 acquired Shaw releases – only five so far in over three years – bonus material is the last thing we need so the limited extras on this one are of no concern. The suggested price point of $19.97 is acceptable knowing that consumers will get significant discounts for pre-orders and post-release markdowns.

Regarding public domain and bootleg DVD releases of THE FIVE VENOMS released in the U.S., this licensed DD release is superior to all of them. Anything put out by EPI, PanMedia or Red Sun should be avoided.

The Five Venoms (DVD - Dragon Dynasty)4.256

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  • cory
    I think your very wrong about the special features. It's nice to see what every one looks like now and who is alive living today. Living in america and not knowing half the people in asian cinema is pretty annoying its hard to appreciate someone you don't know and never heard of before they die. Wouldn't you like to know what they are like if you become their fan or already are. And you can spend more time with the movie instead of just watching it and forgetting about it later on.
  • jack
    Since the DVD has the same shitty subtitles as the HK DVD, I'm going to pass. There' s no use buying it as it will send a message to Dragon Dynasty that it is acceptable to use the shitty HK subtitles instead of doing a proper translation.

    And what's with not using Leeder's interviews with the Five Venoms? It's as if Dragon Dynasty just don't care anymore. We as consumers should show we just don't care as well and not buy these DVDs until Dragon Dynasty gets their act together.
  • Rhythm-X
    LOL at the notion that Dragon Dynasty ever cared about anything other than separating us fools from our money. Their actions have proven otherwise.
  • crosenblum
    I know i want it XD
  • Hey Mark, is the disc ready to buy, or was this a review copy?
  • Dragon Dynasty's FIVE VENOMS DVD will be released on August 18.
  • 107
    This will be the first time that I will purchase or view the title, (the other version available was not fit for purchase). I have waited patiently for the release of this and many more titles that I care not for the extra material at this point and am happy to see a release that honors the original material. Sadly there is a younger audience that would really enjoy these releases if they could pull away from their computer screens long enough to take their ADD meds and realize that Hollywood type editing is not style but an attempt to hide what the actor is unable to do! For an advertising draw, I would like DD to offer free viewings in major cities to put their name out there and help themselves. If I lived in a major city, I would love to go out and experience this type of event with the wild crowds and zealots! The event being free would generate a lot of buzz and free advertising that corresponding sales should follow. These great titles created experiences - DD needs to do the same to get the younger audience. Now IS the right time!
  • RE: 'Hey, Mike... what became of those interviews? And who owns the rights to the interview you did with Hwang Jang Lee?'

    Well the 'Hardboiled' interview with Phillip Kwok was an excerpt from the same session i shot with him, including a number of questions ref the Shaws films, 'Venoms' etc...same way for the Wang Lung-wai interview that was used previously...so not sure why they didnt use the sections relating to the 'Venoms'

    The full interviews are property of TWC, as for the 'Hwang Jan-lee' interview its in Contenders vaults as far as i know, i had asked for a copy to give Master Hwang at various times, but never got one, I know Soul Blade had been in talks to license it for the UK releases of some of their Hwang movies, but not sure what happened
  • Jay Lee
    Ok, thanks. Someone needs to get off their ass and bring that HJL interview out!
  • chenlung
    Thanks for the review Mark. Just adding a few comments:

    The transfer will have inevitably been better than IVL - no burnt-in ghosting or interlacing (unless there's a brief unreported moment in the stream) and running at the correct speed. That's good. However, compared to other distributors, DD transfers aren't as good as they could be (low-bitrate included). It's been said that Wildside (in France) produce the best transfers from Celestial. It would be interesting to view overall image comparisons between their 'Martial Club' DVD and Media Blasters'.

    Thankfully, mono English and Mandarin are there. Oddly, Cantonese isn't offered as a third option, but Mandarin is the correct language and that's fine. Hope there's no downmix issues.

    DD may not have wanted to place emphasis towards extras (interviews would have obviously been great), but an export English trailer was on the IVL DVD - it doesn't seem to be here. Those who owned UK 'Made In Hong Kong' VHS from the 90s maybe familiar with it. Like 'King Boxer', perhaps US trailers or credit sequences could have been on the DVD too?

    It's unfortunate the poor subtitles continue - a trait that's always let DD releases down on the main feature. Even if there's a clean-up on select titles by salvaging previous translations, there's never been a re-translation carried out - something that's necessary for not only accuracy, but when a subtitle is too intangible to correct. With few distributors bothering to do anything proper about the subject, sub-standard subtitling is an issue that continues to plague our viewing of HK cinema in general (issues with translation/grammar/presentation) and it's shocking - it was never intended to be that way in the first place. I've watched certain films and they've been a chore to endure because I couldn't understand enough of what was going on from the rather vague subtitles that don't piece together overall. Strangely, people don't seem to be bothered by it and it worries me we're constantly receiving more of the same - critics who do point it out are labelled "nitpicky". It often makes me wonder if stuff like that is ever checked, never mind releasing it.

    Regarding this film, I didn't like my only viewing of it a few years ago. I thought better subtitles might help with this new release, but sadly, that won't be the case. See www.flubtitles.com for the hilarious, but unfortunate examples of problems HK cinema has with subtitles.

    I know 'Special Collectors Edition' is marketing, but I've been a bit bored with the tag for a while because I think it was overused (first seen on HKL releases). The Celestial, DD and 'SB Collection' banners are rather intrusive though.

    So, it's geared towards being decent quality (video and audio, plus the artwork), but like many HK releases, it really seems unfinished because the subtitles let us down again. Curiously, but not essential - perhaps archival material might have been an option.
  • awesome. i wonder how the 'remake' of 5 venoms is coming along...
  • junior666
    FYI, there is a great blog on DD from Bey on the process of "creating" the different styles for the movie. I always find that sort of thing interesting.
  • Disapointing to learn its an extras light edition...as when I shot interviews with Kwok Choy, Wang Lung-wai etc, we did cover 'Five Deadly Venoms', including Wang's comments that he felt he was being punished by Chang Cheh for being put in the movie and not really given anything to do action wise
  • Jay Lee
    Hey, Mike... what became of those interviews? And who owns the rights to the interview you did with Hwang Jang Lee?
  • mistermjones2000
    I am of the opinion that the audience for this dvd already have it in some form or another and (for especially this Shaw Brothers classic which even when released on VHS was wide-screen and uncut) Dragon Dynasty should have pulled out all the stops to get us to repurchase this item. Just to get Bey Logan's commentary I'd just as soon wait to rent it from Blockbuster rather than own yet another copy. As good as it was I not going to watch it again for its own sake. The marketing department maybe should have done some multiple venom-crew releases like when they released the first 4 shaw brothers they had. Along with a big marketing campaign it would have been a better shot at economic survial than this budget roll out at $19.95. (No offense intended to Mr. Logan)
  • Rhythm-X
    Unless I'm mistaken the IVL disc started off as an 24fps HD transfer with the usual irritating PAL speedup to 25fps, which was then converted to NTSC interlaced 30fps. The Dragon Dynasty Shaw titles are converted directly from the 24fps HD transfers to 24fps progressive scan NTSC for the DVDs. The difference in running times is probably due to the R3 disc playing slightly "sped up", where the Dragon Dynasty plays at the correct speed.

    Their Shaw titles are the only Dragon Dynasty titles I'd ever consider buying at this point. I'd feel bad about helping them stay in business (they don't deserve it) but nobody else is releasing these particular Shaw titles in mono and at the right speed - meaning no PAL to NTSC format conversion. I might actually purchase it in a moment of weakness.
  • Your explanation for the length discrepancy makes sense.
  • morgoth
    Thanks for the review. Too bad there's no interviews or documentaries or anything. SInce this is possibly the most well known oldschool kung fu movie besides Enter the Dragon, I think there should have been something.
  • A year ago I would have agreed with you. At this point, I'm content to see it released at all. In his commentary, Bey does cover the film's significance in Western pop culture and ongoing efforts to get a remake made.
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